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Arguello, Duran, Holmes, Michael Spinks, Salvador Sanchez are guys that I saw a lot of
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Well pre-1990 is a lot of boxers... ;D
Alexis Arguello
Bob Foster
Bobby Chacon - one of the most exciting fighters in history
Carlos Monzon
Emile Griffith
Ruben Olivares
Wilfredo Gomez
Gilberto Roman
Masao Ohba
Top 5 fights (Well mine change from time to time) I'll try and list some which I think you probably haven't seen. For the record these are all fights of the year.
Jorge F. Castro vs. John D. Jackson 1
Bobby Chacon vs. Cornelius Boza-Edwards 2
Danny Lopez vs. Mike Ayala
Rocky Marciano vs. Roland LaStarza 2
Bob Foster vs. Chris Finnegan
Non-Fights of the year
Jorge Barrios vs. Acelino Freitas
Manuel Gomez vs. Jeffrey Hill
Azumah Nelson vs. Wilfredo Gomez
Ruben Olivares vs. Kazuyoshi Kanazawa 2
Roberto Duran vs. Esteban De Jesus 1, 2 or 3 ;)
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Cheers chaps, I shall most definitely be looking these up on youtube n what not :)
Very helpful fellas indeed ;)
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I'll just throw up some off the beaten path ones,because sooner or later everybody is going to hit the main ones
And keep in mind these are just guys I like watching their fights,Im not saying they were all time greats
Ingemar Johanson
George Chuvallo
Emile Griffith
Ron Lyle
Dick Tiger Ihetu
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I'm not so hot on my boxing history having only come really into it in the past few years. Think the first fight I remember watching was Benn Eubank but wasn't much into boxing at the time.
So my question to you boxing supremos out there would be which 5 - 10 pre 1990 boxers (excluding Ali, Frazier, Marciano, Sugar Ray, Hagler n Hearns) would you recommend anyone look at, just to get a bit of perspective?
Plus I get so lost on here sometimes when these old boxers are mentioned, feel like I'm missing out on a shed load.
Maybe your top 5 fights as well?
Ta very much ;)
Benny Leonard, Ray Robinson, Jack Dempsey George Foreman, Jake Lamotta Get acquainted with some of the historical fights such as Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling or Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier. And if you can find it HBO has put on a series called legendary nights which is awesome because it gets behind the stories of fighters and fights that took place through the years.
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Check out some Azumah Nelson...you can not go wrong with the Professor.I believe the Lt.heavy battles after Fosters void were an underrated golden era in the 70's with sensational battles....and the Spinks ;D
And I find trilogies give a great perspective of different fighters as they span a number of years and sometimes eras.
Zale vs. Graziano for starters,Saddler vs. Pep,Monzon vs.Valdes,Patterson vs. Ingo,on & on & on.
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Roberto Duran
Aaron Pryor
Alexis Arguello
Ruben Olivares
Carlos Monzon
Salvador Sanchez
Azumah Nelson
Wilfredo Gomez
Jeff Fenech
Bob Foster
Fighting Harada
Ray Mancini
An even dozen from me with plenty of footage of all of them available out there somewhere.
Search for
Pryor V Arguello
Sanchez V Gomez
Fenech V Nelson 1
Arguello V Mancini
Monzon V Valdez
Duran V Leonard 1
Arguello V Olivares
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clintuk
I'm not so hot on my boxing history having only come really into it in the past few years. Think the first fight I remember watching was Benn Eubank but wasn't much into boxing at the time.
So my question to you boxing supremos out there would be which 5 - 10 pre 1990 boxers (excluding Ali, Frazier, Marciano, Sugar Ray, Hagler n Hearns) would you recommend anyone look at, just to get a bit of perspective?
Plus I get so lost on here sometimes when these old boxers are mentioned, feel like I'm missing out on a shed load.
Maybe your top 5 fights as well?
Ta very much ;)
Pre 1990 hmmmmm...........
Jorge Paez, a fighter that will make you say WTF? Noone fought like him.
Pretty sure CutMeMick has already posted this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9vE33zvH4g
Dwight Muhammad Qawi, always exciting only knew how to come forward and keep throwing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fIoY2dL8rU
Khaosai Galaxy, sick power for a little guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7370k-7n0HU
Joe Louis, has a special out on HBO now excellent to watch. One of, if not the, greatest heavyweights of all time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQlNhGMlGQ
Charley Burley, amazing defensive work, not too much footage on him is available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4IsZxqeJos
Jose Ruiz Ramirez was a common thread between a lot of phenomenal fighters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbsytjJCO2o
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Originally Posted by
clintuk
I'm not so hot on my boxing history having only come really into it in the past few years. Think the first fight I remember watching was Benn Eubank but wasn't much into boxing at the time.
So my question to you boxing supremos out there would be which 5 - 10 pre 1990 boxers (excluding Ali, Frazier, Marciano, Sugar Ray, Hagler n Hearns) would you recommend anyone look at, just to get a bit of perspective?
Plus I get so lost on here sometimes when these old boxers are mentioned, feel like I'm missing out on a shed load.
Maybe your top 5 fights as well?
Ta very much ;)
Pre 1990 hmmmmm...........
Jorge Paez, a fighter that will make you say WTF? Noone fought like him.
Pretty sure CutMeMick has already posted this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9vE33zvH4g
Dwight Muhammad Qawi, always exciting only knew how to come forward and keep throwing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fIoY2dL8rU
Khaosai Galaxy, sick power for a little guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7370k-7n0HU
Joe Louis, has a special out on HBO now excellent to watch. One of, if not the, greatest heavyweights of all time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPQlNhGMlGQ
Charley Burley, amazing defensive work, not too much footage on him is available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4IsZxqeJos
Jose Ruiz Ramirez was a common thread between a lot of phenomenal fighters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbsytjJCO2o
Thanks very much!... some great vids there, Paez almost seems like Hamed's master, really odd fighting style, definitely a "WTF" moment, very true :)
And that little guy, Galaxy, geez, how broad were his shoulders?!..mini Tyson or what!
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im in a similar situation..
only really came into the sport properly as a spectator a few years back and sad to admit ive probably seen more of rocky juarez than aaron pryor and more nikolay valuev than george foreman :(:(:(
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hattonthehammer
im in a similar situation..
only really came into the sport properly as a spectator a few years back and sad to admit ive probably seen more of rocky juarez than aaron pryor and more nikolay valuev than george foreman :(:(:(
Yeah it really does suck doesn't it...hell of a lot to catch up on but luckily with youtube n sites like this makes the job easier than it ever has been I guess
I made a playlist on youtube with footage of most of the Ring Magazine FOTY's on of the last 50 years, over 3 hours of video!..just gotta find the time to watch it :D
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Dope!!
send a link;D
Ah well, since you ask with a big smile... go on then ;)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Enjoy!... I haven't even started watching it yet!
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Bobby Chacon
Danny "Little Red" Lopez
Carl "The Cat" Thompson (U.K.)
"The Outlaw" Jame Hughes
Saad Mohammed
Myung-Woo Yuh (South Korea)
Masa Ohba (Japan)
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Here are some fights that might provide some historical insight:
1. Bobby Chacon vs. Rafael “Bazooka “ Limon: On December 11, 1982, Chacon was dropped in the 4th and 10th, Limon in the 15th round (1982 Fight of the Year - Ring Magazine). It contained all of the criteria listed above and then some. Bobby came back from the brink to win in dramatic fashion. Had to see it to believe it.
2 Bobby Chacon vs. Cornelius Boza-Edwards on May 15, 1983: Same as number one. Ebb and flow, savagery, courage, violence, technical skills…everything was included. 1983 Ring Magazine Fight of the Year. Chacon rose from a knockdown in round one and recovered from a dangerous cut to drop Boza Edwards in round twelve and avenge an earlier defeat. Redemption at a high cost.
3.Yvon "The Fighting Fisherman" Durelle vs. Archie Moore: on December 10, 1958 in Montreal. On the canvas 3 times in round one and once more later in the mid rounds, Moore somehow regrouped and slowly came back. He knew every trick in the boxing book and used every one of them to come back and batter the game Durelle for an 11th-round stoppage. The fight defined courage and will. Only Robinson vs. Basilio kept this from being Ring Magazine Fight of the Year…but that was just plain wrong. Hell, this should have been fight of the Decade.
4. Monroe Brooks vs. Bruce Curry: on April 7, 1978. Old school battle featuring controlled violence until both threw simultaneous hooks in the ninth round with Curry's landing first. This was Gatti-Ward before Gatti-Ward. Violence with a purpose. The exchange of punishing shots was incredible.
5. Alvaro "Yaqui" Lopez vs. Matthew Saad Mohammed: on July 13, 1980 in New Jersey. The first half was dominated by Lopez and in round eight (named "Round of the Year"), he pinned Saad in a corner landing 20 wicked consecutive blows. Muhammad somehow got out of that round and stopped the arm weary Lopez in the 14th round. (1980 Fight of the Year - Ring Magazine)
6. Jaime Garza vs. Juan “Kid” Meza: on November 13, 1983. Sudden fury in Kingston, NY. First Meza down, then Garza down and out. The ko was named 1984’s Knockout of the Year by KO Magazine. The old adage "never hook with a hooker" did not apply, for both fighters were deadly with this punch.
7. Elvir "The Kosovo Kid" Muriqi vs. "Slamming" Sam Ahmad: On July 23, 2002 in New Rochelle, NY. A pier six, ebb and flow brawl. A total of 6 knockdowns called and 2 not called but should have been.
8. Tommy Hearns Vs. Iran Barkley: on June 6, 1988 a winging right hand from Hell suddenly ended what had been a bloody one-sided beat down of "The Blade." The second punch that accelerated Tommy's descent was malefic.
9. Micky Ward vs. Reggie Green: this cult classic was fought on October 1, 1999 and was arguably better than the first Gatti-Ward. I was there and can vouch for the ebb and flow action and dramatic ending in the 10th when Ward finally caught up with the courageous Green. Two lions in the ring. Breakthrough fight for Ward that segued him to glory.
10. Two-way tie between:
Thomas Hearns- Marvin Hagler: On April 15, 1985, these two engaged in unmitigated and non-stop warfare for three rounds before Hagler ended matters with a brutal right. The 1985 Ring Magazine Fight of the Year.
Diego Corrales vs. Jose Luis Castillo: With his left eye almost totally closed and already down twice in the 10th, Corrales miraculously climbed off the deck and battered Jose Luis Castillo into submission along the ropes to score one of the most dramatic TKO's in boxing history on May, 2005. Ring Magazine Fight of the Year.
Kid" Akeem Anifowoshe vs. Robert "Pikin" Quiroga: on June 15, 1991, they battled for 12 ferocious rounds for the IBF Super Flyweight Title in an ebb and flow savagery that not only was named the “Ring Magazine” Fight of the Year for 1991 but was one of the best fights ever in the super flyweight division. The 12 brutal rounds landed both fighters in the hospital, and was as close to the edge as two fighters can get. May have contributed to the “Kid’s” death years later.
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You want a boxing history lesson? Watch Joe Louis if you want to see a almost perfect fighter.
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Here are some fights that might provide some historical insight:
1. Bobby Chacon vs. Rafael “Bazooka “ Limon: On December 11, 1982, Chacon was dropped in the 4th and 10th, Limon in the 15th round (1982 Fight of the Year - Ring Magazine). It contained all of the criteria listed above and then some. Bobby came back from the brink to win in dramatic fashion. Had to see it to believe it.
2 Bobby Chacon vs. Cornelius Boza-Edwards on May 15, 1983: Same as number one. Ebb and flow, savagery, courage, violence, technical skills…everything was included. 1983 Ring Magazine Fight of the Year. Chacon rose from a knockdown in round one and recovered from a dangerous cut to drop Boza Edwards in round twelve and avenge an earlier defeat. Redemption at a high cost.
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These ones get mentioned a lot, unfortunately I never did see them. I did however see Cornelius Boza-Edwards vs. Rafael "Bazooka" Limon, March 8, 1981. Your descriptions above fit this one also. except I don't know if it made "fight of the year". But it was an epic battle, with Edwards winning by 15 rd UD.
