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I was just thinking, if Khan fought the same way he did against Barrera, he could give JMM a hell ofa fight until he got caught. I think he needs a rematch with Prescott at some point, but how long until he gets a chance at these two. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Guzman would give JMM all he could handle if Guzman came in focused.
VS JMM, its the same fight I believe as Juan Diaz. I think he wins in the same fashion. Juan Diaz and Khan should happen, that would be fun. I think Diaz possibly even wins that as he can take a punch better and I feel Diaz would eventually drop KhanQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It gets funnier everyday.
Khan is still totally unproven and was VERY lucky to get the breaks against Barrera. Guzman and JMM would both stop Khan.
I cannot believe people are building this guy up on the back of that awful "win". :rolleyes:
Khan vs Juan Diaz would be perfect.
Roach said he won't put Khan against PAC and JMM... Not just yet...
Maybe Guzman, they're both fast... but I like Khan vs. Juan Diaz more since both are young boxers and we can see if a pillow punch can break a glass jaw...
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I thought Frank Warren was his manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Maybe after 2 years he would be ready against Joan.
By that time, JMM would be retiring and I don't see it happening.:cool:
Umm...No.Khan has not earned a right to loose to Marquez as of yet :-X.He may be banking on Marquezs previous cutting in fights though......never give up hope eh??
I will disagree with you on both fronts, except for the fact GUzman and JMM would likely stop Khan. First many unproven guys who have much less hype or media attention around them have gotten shots quicker than Khan, second how is his win against Barrera awful? He dominated that fight, I am not saying he is the second coming, but his speed and size has to give both Guzman and JMM some trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I have made my arguments about the Barrera fight numerous times amongst the various threads so will just say it quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI will disagree with you on both fronts, except for the fact GUzman and JMM would likely stop Khan. First many unproven guys who have much less hype or media attention around them have gotten shots quicker than Khan, second how is his win against Barrera awful? He dominated that fight, I am not saying he is the second coming, but his speed and size has to give both Guzman and JMM some trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Khan managed to have a Barrera with one of the worst cuts in modern boxing in front of him after two minutes of the fight. A cut caused by a clash of heads. Let's not forget Barrera could see with only one eye due to the amount of blood. Khan was able to look so sharp because Barrera was effectively at a handicap. He "won" a fight that should have been stopped earlier and declared void.
Barrera's plight enabled Khan to look much better than he really is.
As far as I'm concerned Khan is NOT a world level player. This "win" does not put him there. If he does go for it now, then I think he will be sorely found out.
Roach is Khan's trainer/coach... He has a say on who Khan will fight next...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI thought Frank Warren was his manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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a fight against Juan Diaz would be koo but Diaz will ko him eventually
if fight against JMM i owuld be worried for Khan's life
JMM win by horrible brutal KO;D
JMM takes Khan to school at this point. There's a huge gap between an old worn-out Barrera and a still-effective Marquez.
It will NEVER happen.
I am not argueing the outcome of the fight, I am just saying that due to Khan's celebrity status it seems like an obvious option for either Guzman or JMM to take while waiting for bigger fights.
Honestly Juan Diaz has a worse style for Khan than JMM and Guzman who are less of pressure fighters against Juan he would have to work way harder to say away, IMO he would outtime and outspeed JMM for a few rounds until, JMM would say fuck it and would walk through his punches.
Guzman is not plausible because Guzman brings no money to the table. Khan's not going to fight a dangerous opponent unless that opponent brings a big fanbase and a big paycheck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Khan can make just as much money fighting far less dangerous opponents than Guzman.
Fair enough.
Not to mention the fact that he wouldn't make weight :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaGuzman is not plausible because Guzman brings no money to the table. Khan's not going to fight a dangerous opponent unless that opponent brings a big fanbase and a big paycheck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Khan can make just as much money fighting far less dangerous opponents than Guzman.
I think Katsidis, Arthur or Murray should be next on Khan's list.
He has no need to be thrown straight into a fight with one of the elite, he's not ready for that.
Let Freddie work with him for another year and I believe he will be ready for the likes of Marquez and Diaz, who I'm sure will, according to the haters be shot, too old, tiny and past it by then anyways and obviously gimme fights for the opportunistic Khan/Warren vulture team.
Khan said in an interview that he was not ready for JMM and and wanted 2 or 3 fights more. he probably will fight for the European title or rematch with Prescott.
Good to know, I am honestly surprised so many people are so critical of his win against Barrera. Once again I am worried because the few times he was hit clean he seemed to temporarily lose his footing, but he looked fast and sharp, and he is the reason IMO Pacquiao beat Oscar so easily, after dealing with that speed he probably though Oscar was moving in slow motion.
I also noticed that Khan had some swelling on his face, yet I hardly seen him hit by Barrera.
I think JMM/Khan is a good fight for both fighters.
For JMM, Khan is a young gun with alot of hype and would not be viewed as a weak opponent.
For Khan, he would be stepping up against a great fighter close to his prime.
Khan wont be able to walk through JMM's punches while beating him down mercilessly, leaving him a bloody mess, I can tell you that much.
Taeth, been drinking again?
I mean seriously why would a P4P fighter in his right mind make a fight with Amir Khan? I mean seriously? You've gotta be kidding be kiding?
Stay busy fight until they find other opponents... As I mentioned JMM wants top names.
Khan aside from money brings nothing to his legacy.
I mean absolutely nothing and that's what JMM is after.
The money is a plus.
Khans spees will giva just about anyone problems but doesn't mean much.
Have I been drinking again, how is what I am saying not worth saying? Either than Guzman who is there for him to fight? He can't go up to WW to face Cotto or Mosley, he isn't the right type of fighter. Pacquiao is fighting Hatton, and Mayweather would likely only want the winner of that fight not to mention Cotto and Mosley as well, and Floyd is a guy Marquez can't beat so why would he want to face Mayweather at 147?
Amir Khan is an easy way to make money against a recognizable opponent, and beating Amir Khan who could very likely be something down the road will certainly help Marquez's legacy. If he fights Amir Khan 2 years down the road he might get a thrashing like Barrera did, and that would hurt his legacy. They are likely going to fight at some point, and the longer Marquez waits the more it works in Khan's favor.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I disagree, I think JMM first priority is MONEY at this stage in his career....
I think JMM is a fighter who hasnt been a huge draw and needs to cash in while he can......I think Khan/JMM can be made for big dollars and JMM will be interested. I also think JMM will think he has a pretty good shot at beating Khan. The big fighters near the weight now are Pac/hatton/Mosley/Mayweather....JMM is down the chain a ways and will be left out in the cold.
There is one thing JMM is fighting for now that's his #1 priority and that's legacy. The money is important but I think he wants more weight on the legacy aspect of his career. Which is why he wants to fight Pac again he went to the Filipines to challenge him. He moved up in weight and fought Casamayor the lineal champ and took on Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I disagree, I think JMM first priority is MONEY at this stage in his career....
I think JMM is a fighter who hasnt been a huge draw and needs to cash in while he can......I think Khan/JMM can be made for big dollars and JMM will be interested. I also think JMM will think he has a pretty good shot at beating Khan. The big fighters near the weight now are Pac/hatton/Mosley/Mayweather....JMM is down the chain a ways and will be left out in the cold.
Does that sound like someone who's interest is to make money only?
Let's keep in mind Nacho used to manage them and it was never about money it was about fighting the best. Now he's handled by GBP who ofcourse will make the best fights that will bring in the most cash for THEM as a team which includes the fighter.
I agree that the fight makes money, if you read back on my posts I didn't say it didn't what I said is it makes no sense for his legacy and brings nothing to his career.
If people are saying beating a "pudgy" "young" & "inexperienced" Diaz means nothing then what will be said if he takes on Khan?
Valero-Pitalua takes place next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
JMM just fought at the end of the last month if Valero wins a matchup with him would do much more for his legacy then a fight vs. Khan.
I think JMM will see Khan as a big money, well known/hyped young gun that is flawed and may be there for the taking.
I think the winner of Hatton/Pac takes on Mosley who than possibly takes on Mayweather (or vice versa) which leaves JMM in the cold for at least a year and a half.
Khan doesnt seem like a bad option....
When your argueably the #1 P4P fighter in the world AND you have GBP handling your career chances are you wont be left in the cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
One things certain win/lose or draw JMM will fight whomever from Hatton-Pac and it will be a big fight.
Who knows I mean Holt-Bradley are about to unify the fight can def. catapult them up towards a JMM fight at 140 adding to the fight will be the magnitude in JMM being the 1st Mexican EVER to capture a 4th world title in a 4th div. which would make the event huge. Of course it would be even bigger if it can be done with the winner of Hatton-Pac but that is yet to be seen.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Mick I usally admire you boxing knowledge but you're way wide of the mark on this one.
Amir Khan very possibly just retired Marco Antonio Barrera. Forget the cut, forget whether he deserved the win, but those are the facts. He won, he won every single round on the judges scorecard and he's only 22 and an Olympic Silver Medalist.
Assuming Manny won't be fighting Marquez any time soon, Campbell has moved up, he's already dispatched both Casamayor and Diaz.
From a financial point of view, from a media interest point of view, from a name point of view who else is there out there bigger than Amir Khan?
You're saying he so many bigger options but what are they?
My bet is Marquez would most certainly agree to fight Amir Khan, relishing the chance to take on a young prospect who just defeated a legend and who has an Olympic medal, how could you possibly think otherwise?
Calzaghe fought Peter Manfredo to make some big money from the Contender fans you don't think Marquez would fancy a huge payday against a legend killer?
How many fighters defeat a legend and then don't go on to get a big world title fight?
Danny Williams went from nobody to fighting Vitali Klitschko after beating Tyson.
Whether you rate Khan or not the boxing world will much rather see Marquez fight Khan than they would Ali Funeka, Breidas Prescott, even Humberto Soto or Juan Guzman.
Why? Because he beat Marco Antonio Barrera. That's it, he's an Olympian, he's exciting, he can sell a shit load of tickets and is already a ppv star in the UK, and as I said before he beat Marco Antonio Barrera.
He jumps to the very top of the list of potential, lucrative opponents for Juan Manuel Marquez and my bet is Juan and his team would love that fight.
HBO would love it, they could easily hype a young 22 kid, an Olympic star and a Marco Antonio Barrera conqueror.
He's a promoters dream now.
The winner of Pac/Hatton wont be fighting JMM, when Mosley and Possibly Mayweather wait on the sidelines...Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWhen your argueably the #1 P4P fighter in the world AND you have GBP handling your career chances are you wont be left in the cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
One things certain win/lose or draw JMM will fight whomever from Hatton-Pac and it will be a big fight.
Who knows I mean Holt-Bradley are about to unify the fight can def. catapult them up towards a JMM fight at 140 adding to the fight will be the magnitude in JMM being the 1st Mexican EVER to capture a 4th world title in a 4th div. which would make the event huge. Of course it would be even bigger if it can be done with the winner of Hatton-Pac but that is yet to be seen.
JMM/Khan brings more money than JMM vs winner of Holt/Bradley..
Taeth its not often I agree with you mate but this time you have it dead right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
With that win over Barrera Khan jumps to the absolute top of the pile of ideal opponents for a world champ.
Who else in the lightweight division that Marquez hasn't already fought can offer the same credentials of being an Olympic star, an ultra exciting young prospect AND most importantly of all he's beaten the Mexican legend and longterm Marquez rival the great Barrera, to say nothing of the fact that he's also the main sparring partner and team mate of Marquez's current biggest rival Manny Pacquaio.
Khan is HUGE now as a potential cash cow on the radar. You don't beat a living legend and then not go on to get some major publicity.
Tarver made his name out of beating Jones, Danny Williams from beating Tyson. Even Hector Camacho is only known nowadays for beating a faded Sugar Ray Leonard and that win got him an immediate title fight with a certain Oscar De La Hoya.
Khan will do very well for himself now and will be inundated with offers.
no...Roach's job is preparing Khan for whoever is put in front of him, not pick fights for him, that's why Roach gets so much flack when it comes to MannyQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerRoach is Khan's trainer/coach... He has a say on who Khan will fight next...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI thought Frank Warren was his manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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Yes Roach main job is to train Amir but he's part of Team Khan and at least he has some say on who to fight next... But if Amir (who has the biggest say) or Warren (who has the 2nd biggest say) wants a JMM fight then Roach will be forced to train Amir for that fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesno...Roach's job is preparing Khan for whoever is put in front of him, not pick fights for him, that's why Roach gets so much flack when it comes to MannyQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerRoach is Khan's trainer/coach... He has a say on who Khan will fight next...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
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I've read somewhere that Amir is not keen on fighting JMM next... It's only Warren who kind of interested in the JMM fight... Maybe Warren planning to lure JMM with some moderate money to come to UK and fight Amir... You know UK venue, UK doctor, UK referee, etc... Warren a smart promoter...
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I imagine that from now on Freddie will have a major say in who Khan fights next. It will be Warren's decision but he'd be a fool not to listen to the opinion of arguably the world's greatest trainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesno...Roach's job is preparing Khan for whoever is put in front of him, not pick fights for him, that's why Roach gets so much flack when it comes to MannyQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerRoach is Khan's trainer/coach... He has a say on who Khan will fight next...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
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I imagine every opponent they pick from now on will be carefully considered and approved by the whole team, Amir, Freddie, Frank, Amir's dad, Allah through prayer etc.
It certainly isn't all going to hinge on one person.
IMO a trainer should be controlling the future of the fighter before the promoter. Who knows the fighter's abilities more than the trainer? I would bet money that if a guy is a world class trainer he will know how the fighter's style matches up with different styles, and what he can handle in the ring better than any promoter. However, this is a new relationship, I doubt Roach knows Khan quite as well as Warren yet, and promoters do play a large part in the decision making, but to ignore Roach's opinion on what/who Amir is ready for would be foolhardy.
It's simple to see why we are disagreeing.
I'm looking at this from a legacys stand point.
You guys are looking at it from a financial stand point.
It's that simple.
I would be disgusted if JMM took on Khan as he has preached about fighting for his legacy.
And Bilbs, Amir is no legend killer.
The only legend killer I know is time. ;)
If anyone here believes that Khan would add to JMM legacy please let me read your reasons I need something to laugh at this morning... I've already laughed at Bilbos.
I'm not saying he is a legend killer mate I'm just saying how the fight would be hyped.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Beating Khan may or not add to Marquez's legacy but how many fights in a boxers career can be legacy definers?
Marquez has just fought back to back against Pacquaio, Casamayor and Juan Diaz, three huge fights. You don't think he might want to take an easier fight and still make the same money?
I reckon he'd actually make more for fighting Khan than he did for Casamayor and Diaz, seriously.
Khan is the second biggest draw in British boxing behind Ricky Hatton and people are queueing up to fight him.
Khan is an Olympian, a top prospect, fast and exciting and he's beaten Barrera.
That makes him a marketer's dream matchup.
Providing Amir doesn't fuck it up by getting sparked in his next fight, which lets face it is never out of the realms of possibility I'd say this fight WILL happen AND it will be huge.
And how can you say you'd be 'disgusted'? Can you name any other fighter in recent times who beat a legend and didn't get a title fight off the back of it?
I would like to see khan fight some in top10.No point in trying to get his career back on track after Prescott fight the chuck him in with JMM who lets be honest Khan has no chance of winning.