Jones Jr. vs. Sheika Saturday ?

Alot of things come to mind when seeing this one on the docket.First and foremost......Is anyone actually paying for this one?I honestly want to see Jones retire in a huge way and think that no one wins in this fight.Sheika has not been active and in Jones prime would go the way of a Merqui Sosa and what either gains is questionable.A sheika win would produce a name on the resume but Jones is as past it as they come,its painfully obvious.A Jones win does what ? Encourages him to continue on to bigger names and yet again,show his years?Why

Tha only thing I can see is that Roy wants to go out a winner,literally.Hopefully its a fair well fight...one last opportunity to display his proven but vastly eroded skills,hand raised and crowed cheering.Then hang up his Championship gloves for good.I hope so anyway.

I have never pretended to be the biggest Jones Jr. fan...but he has been one of the best in a generation.He does not need this to be remembered as a winner.The mans been there...and done that in tremendous Championship fashion.Legacy intact!!

I am hoping that both Jones and Byrd lose this weekend and hang them up. Jones really can't do anymore for his legacy, this is just payday events from here on out. As far as the fight itself goes, I'm actually backing Sheika here with no confidence though. Sheika should be durable and active enough to win a points decision here, barring of course his hands don't break early in the fight. And no, I won't pay for this.

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I am hoping that both Jones and Byrd lose this weekend and hang them up. Jones really can't do anymore for his legacy, this is just payday events from here on out. As far as the fight itself goes, I'm actually backing Sheika here with no confidence though. Sheika should be durable and active enough to win a points decision here, barring of course his hands don't break early in the fight. And no, I won't pay for this.

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yep

Only one thing thats keeping jones in a boxing ring and thats money

what stinks even more is they`ll be promoting UFC by having kimbo Slice and a couple of others fighting on the undercard and that dont sit well with me!!!

I hope Jones stops...it would be nice if he got a Vitali injury and could not fight this weekend but I know that will probably not happen and this crappy card will go on anyways. Plus if Jones looks good and knocks out Sheika impressively he will say that he is back and that he wants Hopkins or that he will probably go up and fight at heavyweight again blah blah blah.

MMA and boxing on the same card? What a great way to bring in profits and fill the seats for the same event :P

Ken Shamrock was going to be fighting on the undercard as well but he tested positive for three types of steroids from his last fight .. so thats it for him.

I dont know if he can even beat Shieka at this point. Omar always comes to fight and if Roy isnt at his best possible, he will probably lose. I hope its a draw.

Im guessing this is a look good fight for Roy because its in Pensacola his hometown. Would be nice if it was some sort of farewell fight. But according to Roy in interviews he intends to try to win another world title even at 40.

it will be truly sad if rjj loses again....the guy has a ton of cash so I dont think he is doing it for the money.....I think he cant let go....

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it will be truly sad if rjj loses again....the guy has a ton of cash so I dont think he is doing it for the money.....I think he cant let go....

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I think he sees what Hopkins is doing at 40+ and is wondering why he can't do the same given that he beat Hopkins all those years ago and considers himself the better fighter.

Well, when he went up and down in weight for the Ruiz and then the Tarver fight he shot himself. He took away about maybe 5 or 6 years of his career. Hopkins even when he moved up the same kind of way he did to 175 didn't come back down. He stayed around the 170 zone for the remainder of his career and has never gone lower. He didn't drop 25 pounds because he knew it would take his legs take his etc away.


Roy took care of his body his entire career but that move down basically ended it maybe about 5 years shorter then it could have been.

It has nothing to do with his status as a great fighter, he shot his body, and it's not been the same since.

But Im thinking Roy doesn't see it that way and probably is gonna keep going until he wins a title or beats Hopkins again.

I agree. He sees other fighters from his generation still having sucess and he hasnt been able to hae as much. Roy has gone almost an identicle path as De La Hoya. Both guys took off all that weight after going up in weight and both suffered because of it. He must see Hopkins, whose older than him, and it must be incredibly frustrating. Especially when you consider Roys ego.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Only one thing thats keeping jones in a boxing ring and thats money

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Nope, Jones has plenty of money.

The thing that's keeping him in the ring is denial.

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Only one thing thats keeping jones in a boxing ring and thats money

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Nope, Jones has plenty of money.

The thing that's keeping him in the ring is denial.

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How do you know though? Personal friend? Work for his bank? :confused:

What if Jones really isnt as shot to pieces as everyone thinks and that maybe Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe would always have had his number?

I think Jones fans would rather say jones is ruined than admit he got beaten by the better man;)

I think Jones stops Sheika and early, Sheika has a decent chin and if Jones can do that I dont think hes shot, not just yet anyway

I hope this is a farewell fight but if he looks good he'll stay on until someone else who couldn't have laced his gloves in his prime beats him.

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What if Jones really isnt as shot to pieces as everyone thinks and that maybe Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe would always have had his number?

I think Jones fans would rather say jones is ruined than admit he got beaten by the better man;)

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And I think Calzaghe, Tarver and Johnson fans would rather say that then admit he was ruined ;)

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it will be truly sad if rjj loses again....the guy has a ton of cash so I dont think he is doing it for the money.....I think he cant let go....

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For certain it is becaus he can't let go...I seen him in an interview and he feels he has really never been betaen...Not just excuses but really believes that...This was a bit before the Calzaghe fight....

Jones is o exception many many fightrs who had great careers sufer the same fate....

I just hope he wakes up before he gets hurt...A loss to Sheika would really be an embaressment for him...A bigger embaressment then the one sided affair with Calzaghe

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What if Jones really isnt as shot to pieces as everyone thinks and that maybe Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe would always have had his number?

I think Jones fans would rather say jones is ruined than admit he got beaten by the better man;)

I think Jones stops Sheika and early, Sheika has a decent chin and if Jones can do that I dont think hes shot, not just yet anyway

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It not about the guys he fought, just watch Jones performance in the ring. His movement, coordination, etc. he is clearly past it.

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What if Jones really isnt as shot to pieces as everyone thinks and that maybe Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe would always have had his number?

I think Jones fans would rather say jones is ruined than admit he got beaten by the better man;)

I think Jones stops Sheika and early, Sheika has a decent chin and if Jones can do that I dont think hes shot, not just yet anyway

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It not about the guys he fought, just watch Jones performance in the ring. His movement, coordination, etc. he is clearly past it.

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He fought Ruiz and Woods exactly the same, he backed up to the ropes put the ear muffs on and tried rattling quick shots off, against better fighters like Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe, it isnt going to be enough but he will still get away with it against Sheika and a few others.

I say if he beats Sheika good and proper and gets his fans all excited, let him have his chance against Dawson.

In Jones eyes, he lost to the best pound for pound fighter around his weight, so its not that bad, if he feel he has a genuine chance against Dawson, who is anyone to argue?

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What if Jones really isnt as shot to pieces as everyone thinks and that maybe Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe would always have had his number?

I think Jones fans would rather say jones is ruined than admit he got beaten by the better man;)

I think Jones stops Sheika and early, Sheika has a decent chin and if Jones can do that I dont think hes shot, not just yet anyway

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It not about the guys he fought, just watch Jones performance in the ring. His movement, coordination, etc. he is clearly past it.

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He fought Ruiz and Woods exactly the same, he backed up to the ropes put the ear muffs on and tried rattling quick shots off, against better fighters like Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe, it isnt going to be enough but he will still get away with it against Sheika and a few others.

I say if he beats Sheika good and proper and gets his fans all excited, let him have his chance against Dawson.

In Jones eyes, he lost to the best pound for pound fighter around his weight, so its not that bad, if he feel he has a genuine chance against Dawson, who is anyone to argue?

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I'll argue, the are a number of reasons that Sheika who is battle torn himself might not be able to perform
#1 his left hand, high probability of re-injury
#2 his right hand, high probability of re-injury
#3 his knee, high probability of re-injury
#4 slowed reactions

No I don't think there is anything in a win over Sheika, that would give any evidence of how he would do against a young, fast, accurate Dawson who is now in his prime. Sheika to Dawson are about as opposites as you can get in the ring.

I think if RJJ was 50 he would still make Omar look like doggy doo. RJJ wins a UD.

Omar is totally shot. He has been in more wars than the Marines. Brutal stuff with Pemberton, Tate AND Eric Lucas has left HIM badly damaged IMO. At one time, he was a Rock N Rolla but no more. Joe Calzaghe didn't do him any good as well, but those two with Pemberton were career enders for certain. No one should take that kind of punishment.

Roy could take him out early with a flurry, or play with him and get a UD. Either way, don't bet on Omar.

As an aside, I still hold that Roy's demise was due to his weight gain to fight Ruiz and then his loss of muscle mass to fight Tarver. The Roy who fought JC was just too old and slow and could not pull the trigger.

One other thing, the fact that Omar lost to Tony Booth in 1998 has to be one of the tryly astonishing upsets. Tony is now at 52-105-9, but was 28-44-7 when he beat Sheika by UD in the UK!!! Omar then went on a tear before he fought JC.

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Omar is totally shot. He has been in more wars than the Marines. Brutal stuff with Pemberton, Tate AND Eric Lucas has left HIM badly damaged IMO. At one time, he was a Rock N Rolla but no more. Joe Calzaghe didn't do him any good as well, but those two with Pemberton were career enders for certain. No one should take that kind of punishment.

Roy could take him out early with a flurry, or play with him and get a UD. Either way, don't bet on Omar.

As an aside, I still hold that Roy's demise was due to his weight gain to fight Ruiz and then his loss of muscle mass to fight Tarver. The Roy who fought JC was just too old and slow and could not pull the trigger.

One other thing, the fact that Omar lost to Tony Booth in 1998 has to be one of the tryly astonishing upsets. Tony is now at 52-105-9, but was 28-44-7 when he beat Sheika by UD in the UK!!! Omar then went on a tear before he fought JC.

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Have you seen the pics for this one?Both look all off,Omar puffy and soft.I fear that Jones will go out and get him with one-twos,enough to make the crowd ooooo and ahhhh and convince himself that hes ready for another huge name and major fight.I dont think he continues for the money....maybe stubourness,ego,pride,passion....all of which may end up getting him damaged.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

Omar is totally shot. He has been in more wars than the Marines. Brutal stuff with Pemberton, Tate AND Eric Lucas has left HIM badly damaged IMO. At one time, he was a Rock N Rolla but no more. Joe Calzaghe didn't do him any good as well, but those two with Pemberton were career enders for certain. No one should take that kind of punishment.

Roy could take him out early with a flurry, or play with him and get a UD. Either way, don't bet on Omar.

As an aside, I still hold that Roy's demise was due to his weight gain to fight Ruiz and then his loss of muscle mass to fight Tarver. The Roy who fought JC was just too old and slow and could not pull the trigger.

One other thing, the fact that Omar lost to Tony Booth in 1998 has to be one of the tryly astonishing upsets. Tony is now at 52-105-9, but was 28-44-7 when he beat Sheika by UD in the UK!!! Omar then went on a tear before he fought JC.

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Have you seen the pics for this one?Both look all off,Omar puffy and soft.I fear that Jones will go out and get him with one-twos,enough to make the crowd ooooo and ahhhh and convince himself that hes ready for another huge name and major fight.I dont think he continues for the money....maybe stubourness,ego,pride,passion....all of which may end up getting him damaged.

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Very sad indeed. Reminds me of Gerrie Coetzee-Iran Barkley but at a higher level. :banghead:

Anyone got links for it??

I still love Roy and hes been my fav since the Toney fight. He was a freak of nature in his hey day. Jumping hooks, insane combos, lead right hands, 4 or 5 hooks in a row, dancing while punching. IMO no one is even close.

I was hoping hed retire after beating Ruiz..lol, but its very rare that anyone goes out on top. So i just hope he puts on a show tonight and hangs em up while hes still healthy. Id love to see him go back to commentating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDWnM...eature=related

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Anyone got links for it??

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I posted it in your thread.

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Anyone got links for it??

I still love Roy and hes been my fav since the Toney fight. He was a freak of nature in his hey day. Jumping hooks, insane combos, lead right hands, 4 or 5 hooks in a row, dancing while punching. IMO no one is even close.

I was hoping hed retire after beating Ruiz..lol, but its very rare that anyone goes out on top. So i just hope he puts on a show tonight and hangs em up while hes still healthy. Id love to see him go back to commentating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDWnM...eature=related

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Ignore this post.

I know you're new, but do not post links on the main board. It pretty much ensures that they will be shut down.

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There still doing their porno...their Man on Man Action porno still.

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I know you're new, but do not post links on the main board. It pretty much ensures that they will be shut down.

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Oh dang, my fault I'll edit my post without the link. My fault.

LOL @ CFH quoting the link. You should erase it too. :P


Thanks for the thought anyway Earthquake. :thumb:

Roy used to be good but cutting that weight didn't do him any favors...he is out of power, he can't take a punch, he's a lot slower, and he lost that IT factor he had.

I think the Tarver loss hurt him and all but the Johnson loss really messed him up mentally, losing to Johnson is what has kept him going and doing all this. Now he's looking for a key win to retire on IMO, kind of like he COULD have done vs John Ruiz or vs Tarver the first time.

I like Sheika's action style. But when was the last time I saw him??? LOoong time agoooo. Roy doesn't really interest me. He looks shot the last time we saw him. If Sheika is still the same from the last time I saw him during his war with Pemberton, then I can say he has the chance to KO RJJ. If Sheika's Physique looks in excelent shape, I'll pick him by KO. If he looks old with some extra weight hanging in the belly, I expect RJJ to outpoint him.

I just found a stream, but it's showing an MMA fight. Is the undercard still going on, or is my stream showing tape-delayed footage?

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I just found a stream, but it's showing an MMA fight. Is the undercard still going on, or is my stream showing tape-delayed footage?

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That is the undercard.

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I just found a stream, but it's showing an MMA fight. Is the undercard still going on, or is my stream showing tape-delayed footage?

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If its the tubby guy,its live.Its a 'mixed' mma card, ugh.Main event up next

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I just found a stream, but it's showing an MMA fight. Is the undercard still going on, or is my stream showing tape-delayed footage?

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That is the undercard.

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Thanks.

How come the main event for this card is starting so late? It's going to be after midnight before Jones and Sheika are in the ring.

It's a combo MMA/Boxing card this is the main MMA fight RJJ up next.

Found the fight....

Jones Jr will stop Sheika. :cool:

What round?

Sheika looks fleshy, Jones Jr looks like....Jones Jr.