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It was on the Steve Bunce show yesterday, that Mora is fighting Pavlik in July according to Pavlik's promoter Bob Arum.
What the hell is Sergio thinking? I like Mora but he has no chance against Pavlik, he doesn't even have a punchers chance.
I thought Pavlik was fighting Duddy which was bad enough but Mora is a mismatch.
all but a done deal it seems
Kelle Sauerland was on bunces show yesterday confirming that his next fight will indeed be in america and possibly on the pavlik undercard.
Also said they made a 3million ($5million dollars) offer for pavlik on the table to have a unification match which kelly refused as he is holding out for more.
Mora is taylor made for pavlik who should be able to just pummel him whenever in range. But if Abraham is also gonna be on the card it suggests that this is pretty much both guys working up a bit of heat before fighting at the end of the year!
I think Mora will be awkward for a few rounds, harder to hit than duddy.
Abraham V Pavlik would be great, Arthur will be happy to absorb the shots on his guard and wait for openings and wont have to go chasing like his last opponent.
Sauerland said Abraham definitely wont be on Pavlik's undercard.
Interesting that he said Mora was refused as an opponent for Abraham stateside... especially considering some of the no-names Abraham fights.
Pavlik's mob look to be getting a few wins out of him before he's risked up in class again. Good thinking.. it wont be long before he's beaten again.
Though I don't think Sergio will win I ould not count him out as that much of a mis-mtch, I think for as long as he last he will be tricky for Kelly...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Sergio is not a hard hitter so he certainly hs no punchers chnce and I really am not too certain about his chin because I never seen him get cracked by someone who hits as hard as Kelly does but Sergios style will keep Kelly working
Yes, it's true. I heard from Sergio yesterday, and he's excited as hell about it, because he has wanted this fight for long time.
Kelly signed off on the deal yesterday, and the official announcement should be coming out soon. It will be July 18th, in Atlantic City.
I know that everyone will say he has no chance, but I think he'll do alot better than people will give him credit for.
I actually think he can win this on points. He'll have to fight smart, but Sergio has a way of stepping up for those big fights, so I hope that this is one of those occasions.
I am disappointed in Pavlik.
His first three defences have been absolutely awful.
Hopefully he steps up after this.
Pavlik is taking a page from Taylor's book....When things got rough Taylor fought a couple junior middleweights, the problem is with slick fighters like Ouma, Spinks and Mora it is hard to look good.
Fight may not be as easy as you would think.
You are right. Kelly could become distracted by a ring girl between rounds and WHAM Mora hits him with a flurry of devestating punches. Kelly will be so dismayed by this that he will act like a frieghtened quail in the talons of a big fuck-off eagle. He will try to punch off the back foot, BUT NO, Mora will be all over him--WHAM WHAM WHAM. Slow motion shot showing Pavlik sweat being knocked off of him. THe ringside band will be so into the action that they will begin playing a tuba, brass, and drum version of "Eye of the Tiger."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Then Kelly will try to come back, but his spirit has been broken by this man. Kelly will be slumped up in a pile when they hoist Mora up in victory.
Yeah, dream the fukk on hooker.
I agree with you. It is fathomable that Mora pulls it out on points because as you alluded to he is deceptively tricky. On the other hand, because he has the Magic Man problem in that he has no power at all, it is more likely that Pavlik will cut off the ring and figure him out. The fight is also in AC, which is not neutral territory. Mora will have to do a lot to take a decision from Pavlik in AC. Moreover, the fight is at 160 and Mora is a natural 154 fighter. My prediction is Mora makes it tricky for 5-7 rounds and then Pavlik takes over and knocks him out in the later rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
This is a more difficult fight than a fight with John Duddy. Duddy is tailor-made for Pavlik moreso than Mora. Mora is awkward and Duddy comes right at you - and cuts easily.
I am disappointed with the whole middleweight division recently. Abraham fights nobodys. Sturm fights nobodys (for the most part) and no one wants to unify. Pavlik really has fought the toughest competition at middleweight, but his defenses have been against nobodys. I guess at least Pavlik took a risk and fought Hopkins, but that was outside of the middleweight division so it doesn't really count. You are right, however, the division is pretty disappointing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Well I have to be honest I don't see any way Sergio can win this fight. He was basically bullied into submission by a nearly 40 year old junior middle in Vernon Forrest last time out I think he will just find Pavlik relentless who to me at least looked very impressive in breaking down a normally tough and durable Marco Antonio Rubio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
BUT I know you like him and I like you so I will join you on fight night hooting and a hollering, maybe even a yipping and a yelping for Sergio to pull off a shock somehow win the title :)
Yeah to be fair I will be cheering for Mora to pull the upset. But I always do for the easy defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWell I have to be honest I don't see any way Sergio can win this fight. He was basically bullied into submission by a nearly 40 year old junior middle in Vernon Forrest last time out I think he will just find Pavlik relentless who to me at least looked very impressive in breaking down a normally tough and durable Marco Antonio Rubio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
BUT I know you like him and I like you so I will join you on fight night hooting and a hollering, maybe even a yipping and a yelping for Sergio to pull off a shock somehow win the title :)
Agree, Personally, I don't give him much chance against Abraham, a guy with as much thunder in the punches as him, faster and a better defense... and we've seen that Abraham has a good chin and is normally hard to knock out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Actually, Sergio is a natural middleweight, most of his fights have been at middeweight. The only fights he had at jr middleweight were against Forrest, and a couple early in his career, because it's not easy for him to make the jr middleweight limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI agree with you. It is fathomable that Mora pulls it out on points because as you alluded to he is deceptively tricky. On the other hand, because he has the Magic Man problem in that he has no power at all, it is more likely that Pavlik will cut off the ring and figure him out. The fight is also in AC, which is not neutral territory. Mora will have to do a lot to take a decision from Pavlik in AC. Moreover, the fight is at 160 and Mora is a natural 154 fighter. My prediction is Mora makes it tricky for 5-7 rounds and then Pavlik takes over and knocks him out in the later rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
This is a more difficult fight than a fight with John Duddy. Duddy is tailor-made for Pavlik moreso than Mora. Mora is awkward and Duddy comes right at you - and cuts easily.
I am disappointed with the whole middleweight division recently. Abraham fights nobodys. Sturm fights nobodys (for the most part) and no one wants to unify. Pavlik really has fought the toughest competition at middleweight, but his defenses have been against nobodys. I guess at least Pavlik took a risk and fought Hopkins, but that was outside of the middleweight division so it doesn't really count. You are right, however, the division is pretty disappointing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
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Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are right. Kelly could become distracted by a ring girl between rounds and WHAM Mora hits him with a flurry of devestating punches. Kelly will be so dismayed by this that he will act like a frieghtened quail in the talons of a big fuck-off eagle. He will try to punch off the back foot, BUT NO, Mora will be all over him--WHAM WHAM WHAM. Slow motion shot showing Pavlik sweat being knocked off of him. THe ringside band will be so into the action that they will begin playing a tuba, brass, and drum version of "Eye of the Tiger."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Then Kelly will try to come back, but his spirit has been broken by this man. Kelly will be slumped up in a pile when they hoist Mora up in victory.
Yeah, dream the fukk on hooker.
I dont think there is much of a chance of Mora KO'ing Pavlik, but if Mora moves alot and decides to play the hit and run game it could be an ugly fight......I can see Pavlik having a hard time finding Mora with his punches.
Well fair enough? Except that Mora isn't Spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are right. Kelly could become distracted by a ring girl between rounds and WHAM Mora hits him with a flurry of devestating punches. Kelly will be so dismayed by this that he will act like a frieghtened quail in the talons of a big fuck-off eagle. He will try to punch off the back foot, BUT NO, Mora will be all over him--WHAM WHAM WHAM. Slow motion shot showing Pavlik sweat being knocked off of him. THe ringside band will be so into the action that they will begin playing a tuba, brass, and drum version of "Eye of the Tiger."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Then Kelly will try to come back, but his spirit has been broken by this man. Kelly will be slumped up in a pile when they hoist Mora up in victory.
Yeah, dream the fukk on hooker.
I dont think there is much of a chance of Mora KO'ing Pavlik, but if Mora moves alot and decides to play the hit and run game it could be an ugly fight......I can see Pavlik having a hard time finding Mora with his punches.
How so? Has anyone ever had trouble finding Sergio Mora? Manfredo and him went toe to toe, Jesse Brinkley caught him with some heavy shots in their fight, that kid on the Contender who tragically committed suicide, he fought a war with Sergio. Vernon was cacthing him repeatedly in their second fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerWell fair enough? Except that Mora isn't Spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I dont think there is much of a chance of Mora KO'ing Pavlik, but if Mora moves alot and decides to play the hit and run game it could be an ugly fight......I can see Pavlik having a hard time finding Mora with his punches.
Mora has skills and speed but at his heart he's a warrior who loves to brawl. Pavlik will tee off on him imo and although I think he will put on a brave performance I think he'll get badly beaten, cut and probably rescued by the referee around the 7th or 8th round, probably on cuts.
But this won't at all be like Taylor Spinks imo, Pavlik won't be waiting for him to get off his shots he'll just walk him down and bully him into submission.
I honestly think it's an impossible fight for Mora to win the styles are just so wrong. He has nothing to keep Pavlik off him, he can't hurt Pavlik, he cuts easily and isn't exactly the most durable looking guy. I think he gets dominated sadly.
I'd like to be wrong though, I've always liked Sergio. I think he would be better off at junior middle though.
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Originally Posted by Hunter
Mora is a bonafied MW who stepped down to fight at lmw, he had no intention on staying there....Mora would have fought for the MW title when Tayolr was champ if not for polotics
Mora is no Hopkins and will get knocked out in the later rounds by Pavlik. Hopefully Pavlik will step it up a notch after this and fight either the winner of Williams vs Wright or Sturm and Abraham. I still think he has alot of talent and had a really bad night against the legendary Hopkins. I hope Antonio Margacheato will be shown on the card also.
When this happens, I will bow in awe of Booze's ability to read the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are right. Kelly could become distracted by a ring girl between rounds and WHAM Mora hits him with a flurry of devestating punches. Kelly will be so dismayed by this that he will act like a frieghtened quail in the talons of a big fuck-off eagle. He will try to punch off the back foot, BUT NO, Mora will be all over him--WHAM WHAM WHAM. Slow motion shot showing Pavlik sweat being knocked off of him. THe ringside band will be so into the action that they will begin playing a tuba, brass, and drum version of "Eye of the Tiger."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Then Kelly will try to come back, but his spirit has been broken by this man. Kelly will be slumped up in a pile when they hoist Mora up in victory.
Yeah, dream the fukk on hooker.
I think it is apparent Mora cant stand and trade with pavlik and win, but if he is smart and studies the Hopikins fight i think he has the quickness, elusiveness and counter punching ability to at least give Kelly some problems (Mora doesnt have the skill or power of hopkins so Sergio wont be able to blow Kelly out of the water). The question is whether he can stay elusive for the entire fight (this wont be easy)....
I still think Kelly will win the fight, just might be ugly and closer on cards than you would think.
I've just seen it many times where you have a slick fighter that seems overmatched but the slick fighter chooses to be elusive and doesnt engage the fight turns into an ugly snoozefest that is hard to score.
He sure as hell has a better shot than Rubio did. Mora can box but has feathers in his fists.
there are better ways to get your point across then thatQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are right. Kelly could become distracted by a ring girl between rounds and WHAM Mora hits him with a flurry of devestating punches. Kelly will be so dismayed by this that he will act like a frieghtened quail in the talons of a big fuck-off eagle. He will try to punch off the back foot, BUT NO, Mora will be all over him--WHAM WHAM WHAM. Slow motion shot showing Pavlik sweat being knocked off of him. THe ringside band will be so into the action that they will begin playing a tuba, brass, and drum version of "Eye of the Tiger."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Then Kelly will try to come back, but his spirit has been broken by this man. Kelly will be slumped up in a pile when they hoist Mora up in victory.
Yeah, dream the fukk on hooker.
Pavlik will have problems early in the fight, but later on Pavlik will start to impose his will on Mora. Also, Pavlik has Jack Loew on his side that will make adjustments telling Pavlik to double and triple jab.
pavlik hasn't really been the ghost much either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHow so? Has anyone ever had trouble finding Sergio Mora? Manfredo and him went toe to toe, Jesse Brinkley caught him with some heavy shots in their fight, that kid on the Contender who tragically committed suicide, he fought a war with Sergio. Vernon was cacthing him repeatedly in their second fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerWell fair enough? Except that Mora isn't Spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Mora has skills and speed but at his heart he's a warrior who loves to brawl. Pavlik will tee off on him imo and although I think he will put on a brave performance I think he'll get badly beaten, cut and probably rescued by the referee around the 7th or 8th round, probably on cuts.
But this won't at all be like Taylor Spinks imo, Pavlik won't be waiting for him to get off his shots he'll just walk him down and bully him into submission.
I honestly think it's an impossible fight for Mora to win the styles are just so wrong. He has nothing to keep Pavlik off him, he can't hurt Pavlik, he cuts easily and isn't exactly the most durable looking guy. I think he gets dominated sadly.
I'd like to be wrong though, I've always liked Sergio. I think he would be better off at junior middle though.
I think Pavlik is the type of fighter who would wait for a fighter to get off and then throw back,and try to overwhelm what they did before.
The problem was in the Hopkins fight when Hopkins got off afterwards he was nowhere to be found for Kelly's response. Keepign Pavlik's feet moving seems to be the key to victory because he needs to be still before he throws, he looks like the type of fighter whom when he can plant his feet is at his most offensive.
Mora can win this fight on the inside. Pavlik's power comes from his range and his long right hand. Sergio can have a lot of success if he smothers Pavlik and uses his speed and combinations. As long as he doesn't let Pavlik dictate the distance and circles away from his right he should do better then people expect him to. But Sergio loves to brawl like you said, he doesn't have the power for the style his heart makes him fight. I have a lot of respect for him for this, but he needs to fight smart in this fight and can't afford many mistakes. Pavlik can afford to make all the mistakes in the book and still win because he has the power. Sergio can't take breaks to talk trash he needs to be all business. Probably should hire Nazim Richardson too
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Originally Posted by Majestythere are better ways to get your point across then thatQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou are right. Kelly could become distracted by a ring girl between rounds and WHAM Mora hits him with a flurry of devestating punches. Kelly will be so dismayed by this that he will act like a frieghtened quail in the talons of a big fuck-off eagle. He will try to punch off the back foot, BUT NO, Mora will be all over him--WHAM WHAM WHAM. Slow motion shot showing Pavlik sweat being knocked off of him. THe ringside band will be so into the action that they will begin playing a tuba, brass, and drum version of "Eye of the Tiger."Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Then Kelly will try to come back, but his spirit has been broken by this man. Kelly will be slumped up in a pile when they hoist Mora up in victory.
Yeah, dream the fukk on hooker.
Like being an Alt that doesnt even try to hide her identity Majesty?
They need to give Pavlik a sure win to slowly erase from the people's memory his lackluster performance at the hands of Hopkins.:cool:
Mora can make him look bad, if he wanted someone easy to bounce back against he should have picked another 154 pounder. Mora's made most of his career at middleweight so he can't be put in that categoryQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
I agree. Pavlik is a one-trick pony who only shines when he is facing another face-up fighter. That said combined with the chance that if Mora ever realizes that he can't punch I think Mora can make this an interesting night. But if he choses to showboat he's gonna get his head knocked off clean by a right straight from PavlikQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyMora can make him look bad, if he wanted someone easy to bounce back against he should have picked another 154 pounder. Mora's made most of his career at middleweight so he can't be put in that categoryQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Sergio will be making Kelly think about what hes doing, Bernard did that and it made Pavlik look like shiit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Mora KO Pavlik around Rd 7. Moras left hook too powerful for Pavlik.