Its Happened again

Well this is a bit of a weird thread but i respect most of you guys and would like some advice.

Recently it seems ive been getting hit in the face far too often without responding, this aint in a boxing match but just out on the street. Firstly, im not an aggressive guy at all and never start this shit but I am blessed or cursed with the looks of a fighter and it seems trouble is coming my way more and more recently.

Firtsly on new years after several beers and a fair bit of MDMA (if you know anything about it you'll understand) I tried to break up what seemed to be an emerging fight between some scallies and a friend, the result was two punches to the face and a bottle over the head. Honestly it didnt really effect me, i was too loved up to give a shit and carried on the night with blood pouring out of my head and had a great time.

But just today, walked into an offy in Rusholme and got started on by 1 of 3 obviously pissed dodgy guys in there as soon as i walked in, no provocation. Talked my way out of it went to get a beer then caught the eye of his mate who immediately came over and gave me a good punch in the face, shopkeeper's assistant interviened. They then tried to extort the shopkeeper for free stuff while his assistant was chattin sayin leave it and if they come again are you up for takin em on, i obviously replied yes.

Now anyways this is the second time in a few months this has happened, not tryin to make out im a hard man or anythin, barely punched 2 people in my life both when we were kids but ive never been hurt or dazed or any of that by a punch but i am getting sick to fucking death of being treated like a mug.

My question, next time something similiar should happen should i let go of my inhibitions and floor the guy or continue on this same course of action which leaves me walking home feeling extremely pissed, angry and immascualted.

Your thoughts please, and if you need more details (as after all they are all important in this type of situation) feel free to comment. Would appreciate the feedback

Wish I could offer you some advice mate but I've never been started on before.

I think I must look totally non threatening as I've even walked into people accidently and they have apologised to me then I've watch minutes later as they start on some 6 ft 5 guy who is walking behind me. :confused:

Maybe they just sense my natural menace?

You can only trust your gut instincts in those situations mate.

Did you have a strange feeling about going in the shop in the first place?
Or about them beofre it happened?

If you did you have recognize those feelings.

Running is a good option if your fit,if they catch you then its their bad luck I recon and you have to go animal.

Do you look down to the ground when people are looking at you for a reaction?
If so dont! Smile at them and wink and feel like you are the cat stareing at the mouse who is about to be eaten and hold the look but be smiling cheeky with it and ready.

Not saying your scared but Bullies are used to seeing fear on people and they can sence it a mile away too,so if you are the complete reverse, complacent but smiling and pointed at them without flinching they get a question arise in their head (does this cunt know what he's doing?.) the answer of yes comes to their mind on experience.

They want a victum, they usually go elsewhere.

Its like when someone walks up on the street and you know they are going to ask you for a smoke.
Ask them for one before they even get the words out, so whether its money or smokes they want from you, they are fucked u win.
+ its fun.

Id drop the SOB pre-emptively
Mind there's a way to carry yourself,that just says "This dog bites",I cant really explain it,but it does work,I rarely if ever have to scrap outside of a ring. Of course that could have something to do with my height,and according to my wife when I look pissed off,I look REALLY pissed off,actually all of my friends say when I look mad,they really dont want to be anywhere near me.Its odd though,because I really rarely lose my temper.

Yeah I've had that quite a lot, mostly when I lived up in Bradford. I've always found that anyone causing hassle are usually never alone, they always have few mates not too far away.

I think Andre speaks a lot of sense but I would always crack any fucker who wants to spoil my night.

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Yeah I've had that quite a lot, mostly when I lived up in Bradford. I've always found that anyone causing hassle are usually never alone, they always have few mates not too far away.

I think Andre speaks a lot of sense but I would always crack any fucker who wants to spoil my night.

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Thats cool so long as you dont go against your gut instinct and wind up getting shot ,stabbed or die on the end of ten boots just for the one night.;)

The Manchester area and areas of Greater Manchester are really rough places. You can easily find trouble without too much effort. When I was studying in Manchester we lived in Salford for a year because we liked the fact that the rent was cheap. The rent was cheap for a reason, it was probably one of the worst areas you could find in the UK. I never got into any fights, but you would hear stories of stabbings and dust ups. It was customary to walk down the street and see kids smashing up phone boxes. I kept myself to myself and was okay.

Manchester is such a grim place though and there is that undertow of menace always boiling under the surface. Things can kick of over nothing, very easily. I don't have any good advice really, but I'm sorry to hear that you are having an unlucky run of things. The UK has a large underclass of savages and they really bring the tone down for those who just want to live their lives peacefully.

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Id drop the SOB pre-emptively
Mind there's a way to carry yourself,that just says "This dog bites",I cant really explain it,but it does work,I rarely if ever have to scrap outside of a ring. Of course that could have something to do with my height,and according to my wife when I look pissed off,I look REALLY pissed off,actually all of my friends say when I look mad,they really dont want to be anywhere near me.Its odd though,because I really rarely lose my temper.

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What about the old man who threatened to kill you the other day, guess he was just fearless

I have that type of face that everyone wants to punch. :)

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The Manchester area and areas of Greater Manchester are really rough places. You can easily find trouble without too much effort. When I was studying in Manchester we lived in Salford for a year because we liked the fact that the rent was cheap. The rent was cheap for a reason, it was probably one of the worst areas you could find in the UK. I never got into any fights, but you would hear stories of stabbings and dust ups. It was customary to walk down the street and see kids smashing up phone boxes. I kept myself to myself and was okay.

Manchester is such a grim place though and there is that undertow of menace always boiling under the surface. Things can kick of over nothing, very easily. I don't have any good advice really, but I'm sorry to hear that you are having an unlucky run of things. The UK has a large underclass of savages and they really bring the tone down for those who just want to live their lives peacefully.

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Yes there is alot of places in Manchester that are just full of dick heads, who are just brought up by there parents to be utter scum, i mean when i was a kid i was a bit mischevious like any other kid but thesedays its just sad to see, in mean Salford is pretty bad but not as bad as south Manchester.

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Id drop the SOB pre-emptively
Mind there's a way to carry yourself,that just says "This dog bites",I cant really explain it,but it does work,I rarely if ever have to scrap outside of a ring. Of course that could have something to do with my height,and according to my wife when I look pissed off,I look REALLY pissed off,actually all of my friends say when I look mad,they really dont want to be anywhere near me.Its odd though,because I really rarely lose my temper.

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What about the old man who threatened to kill you the other day, guess he was just fearless

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No,he was drunk high,and on pain meds,and he didnt threaten to kill me,he waived a gun around with my kid near by to show off his threatened manhood.While I felt threatened,which anyone with any common sense would around a drunk guy who wants you to see his .44 cannon,he didnt exactly threaten to kill me.
That much Bud Ice,a full doob,at least I assume he had smoked the whole thing the roach was in his ashtray,and enough pain meds to drop a mule at 40 paces,will give you a certain amount of fearlessness regardless.There's a song by,I believe F.O.D. about that phenomana called ".32 Ounces Of Courage"

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Id drop the SOB pre-emptively
Mind there's a way to carry yourself,that just says "This dog bites",I cant really explain it,but it does work,I rarely if ever have to scrap outside of a ring. Of course that could have something to do with my height,and according to my wife when I look pissed off,I look REALLY pissed off,actually all of my friends say when I look mad,they really dont want to be anywhere near me.Its odd though,because I really rarely lose my temper.

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What about the old man who threatened to kill you the other day, guess he was just fearless

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No,he was drunk high,and on pain meds,and he didnt threaten to kill me,he waived a gun around with my kid near by to show off his threatened manhood.While I felt threatened,which anyone with any common sense would around a drunk guy who wants you to see his .44 cannon,he didnt exactly threaten to kill me.
That much Bud Ice,a full doob,at least I assume he had smoked the whole thing the roach was in his ashtray,and enough pain meds to drop a mule at 40 paces,will give you a certain amount of fearlessness regardless.There's a song by,I believe F.O.D. about that phenomana called ".32 Ounces Of Courage"

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I wish I had known you were Trainer Monkey when you came by my house. We would have talked about boxing instead of guns.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

What about the old man who threatened to kill you the other day, guess he was just fearless

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No,he was drunk high,and on pain meds,and he didnt threaten to kill me,he waived a gun around with my kid near by to show off his threatened manhood.While I felt threatened,which anyone with any common sense would around a drunk guy who wants you to see his .44 cannon,he didnt exactly threaten to kill me.
That much Bud Ice,a full doob,at least I assume he had smoked the whole thing the roach was in his ashtray,and enough pain meds to drop a mule at 40 paces,will give you a certain amount of fearlessness regardless.There's a song by,I believe F.O.D. about that phenomana called ".32 Ounces Of Courage"

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I wish I had known you were Trainer Monkey when you came by my house. We would have talked about boxing instead of guns.

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Funny,Id rep you for that,but Ive got to give out some more first

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Originally Posted by 1-hit Wonder

Well this is a bit of a weird thread but i respect most of you guys and would like some advice.

Recently it seems ive been getting hit in the face far too often without responding, this aint in a boxing match but just out on the street. Firstly, im not an aggressive guy at all and never start this shit but I am blessed or cursed with the looks of a fighter and it seems trouble is coming my way more and more recently.

Firtsly on new years after several beers and a fair bit of MDMA (if you know anything about it you'll understand) I tried to break up what seemed to be an emerging fight between some scallies and a friend, the result was two punches to the face and a bottle over the head. Honestly it didnt really effect me, i was too loved up to give a shit and carried on the night with blood pouring out of my head and had a great time.

But just today, walked into an offy in Rusholme and got started on by 1 of 3 obviously pissed dodgy guys in there as soon as i walked in, no provocation. Talked my way out of it went to get a beer then caught the eye of his mate who immediately came over and gave me a good punch in the face, shopkeeper's assistant interviened. They then tried to extort the shopkeeper for free stuff while his assistant was chattin sayin leave it and if they come again are you up for takin em on, i obviously replied yes.

Now anyways this is the second time in a few months this has happened, not tryin to make out im a hard man or anythin, barely punched 2 people in my life both when we were kids but ive never been hurt or dazed or any of that by a punch but i am getting sick to fucking death of being treated like a mug.

My question, next time something similiar should happen should i let go of my inhibitions and floor the guy or continue on this same course of action which leaves me walking home feeling extremely pissed, angry and immascualted.

Your thoughts please, and if you need more details (as after all they are all important in this type of situation) feel free to comment. Would appreciate the feedback

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tough one to answer, me personally depends on my mood I can laugh off some bstards than others i will just go for, really depends when i am in a really bad mood & i am out i will literally go spoiling for a fight (dont get me wrong i will go for a group of lads who r out for trouble only & never for the innocent) but everyone is different, but i am on medication now for aggression ha ha. hope u have some better look man cos u sound like a really decent bloke & if more people were like u i am sure we would live in a much nicer country, now i will rep u sir!

I've walked away from many. But sometimes u just gotta choke a Bitch out.

You'll know when the time is.

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I've walked away from many. But sometimes u just gotta choke a Bitch out.

You'll know when the time is.

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When they are much smaller than you?

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I've walked away from many. But sometimes u just gotta choke a Bitch out.

You'll know when the time is.

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When they are much smaller than you?

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haha yea. And not looking.

One on one, if they are fools and start with heavy talk.

First question I always asked how much cash they had on them.
:confused: Why ? is always the next question.

Its never 150 why?.

"i dont care but what ever you got Ill fight you for that"

sorts out the men from the boys quite fast.

If they say they got no money eye up their jeans and jacket; Next question
"what size you take"?

Fuk em, Im not fighting for nothing.

Put your heel on their fingers take everything they got,make em walk home naked maybe they'lll learn to mind their own business next time.

An associate koed some punk who tried to pull a knife on him and rob him . pulled the guys daks down ,robbed him instead, then tied his feet togther with his belt and hung him upside in a tree. Just about to hop back in his car and got a shiver and felt like a piss so went back to the tree and pissed all over him.;D. Still never woke up!:o

Little cunt wont be robbing anyone else for while,would have been alot more than the one hit that took him out that I heard about too; my bet is he drank from a staw for at least a month or got scaffolidng knowing Bruce.

You guys make it sound like every journey by foot is frought with potential danger with irritable alpha males dogging your every step.

Am I the only person here who has never been in a fight, started on by a stranger or had reason to defend myself? :confused:

Where do you guys all live to have so much hassle.

I'm 35 and never had anyone start on me ever. I've even been pissed so badly before that I've fallen practically unconscious and some stranger has actually walked me home, and they didn't mug me or try to rape me.

It must be a hellhole in America and inner cities, down here in Torquay its nice and safe.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

You guys make it sound like every journey by foot is frought with potential danger with irritable alpha males dogging your every step.

Am I the only person here who has never been in a fight, started on by a stranger or had reason to defend myself? :confused:

Where do you guys all live to have so much hassle.

I'm 35 and never had anyone start on me ever. I've even been pissed so badly before that I've fallen practically unconscious and some stranger has actually walked me home, and they didn't mug me or try to rape me.

It must be a hellhole in America and inner cities, down here in Torquay its nice and safe.

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Our city is a violent shithole with little to do besides sports, or getting drunk, stoned and fighting. It is a given that you don't go out too far by yourself and travel in groups. Speaking of which, and as far as I know, there is a group of guys 4 years older then me that apparantly want to jump me. And I don't even know why. Just because I can handle myself I spose.

For our last boxing show we had a group of morons trying to rally people to come to the show and start a riot/brawl. It was on facebook, a bunch of idiots talking about showing up at the one place in the city, on the one day and place loaded with the best boxers from both our canadian side and the USA...to just start throwing random punches at people. WTF ??? lol does it get any dumber then that?

I may miss some people from this city when I leave for university, family and friends, but I won't miss the place much. And sadly, it is a beautful place nature wise. One of the nicest on Earth. Just a total shithole for people with a moron mentality.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

You guys make it sound like every journey by foot is frought with potential danger with irritable alpha males dogging your every step.

Am I the only person here who has never been in a fight, started on by a stranger or had reason to defend myself? :confused:

Where do you guys all live to have so much hassle.

I'm 35 and never had anyone start on me ever. I've even been pissed so badly before that I've fallen practically unconscious and some stranger has actually walked me home, and they didn't mug me or try to rape me.

It must be a hellhole in America and inner cities, down here in Torquay its nice and safe.

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Actually some parts of the UK are really nice. Especially away from the big cities. The worst place I've lived is Salford as I mentioned. Manchester has it's hellholes as Skel pointed out. I used to work part time in the bookies for a stint while at university and worked in a number of branches around the city. Some really, really rough and ready areas. Saw lots of dodgy shit, but I was always fairly lucky.

My family has lived in Harrogate for a long time now after moving up from the south. The difference between there and Manchester is night and day. There are the usual twats looking for trouble, but you get them everywhere. There are fewer of them in a place like Harrogate though, you can live quite peacefully there. The best place I've lived was in a small village called Darley. A tiny place with perhaps a thousand residents and a tiny primary school. The biggest gangsters there are the cows in neihboring fields who could drop the meanest cow pats. A peaceful place.

Like Bilbo, I have never actually got into a fight before. I'm not the type to go looking for a punchup though and trouble typically comes to those who are looking for it. The worst I do is attack inanimate objects. Things that seldom punch back.

Must be 25 years for me. Im better off staying in my own peaceful little part of the coast. I would pay them to go away now.:cool:

Yesterday in Sydney apparently a few bikers met some prick off a plane at the main airport and beat him to death with one of those removable metal poles the ones with the velvet rope that hangs between them.

Be a shock for him and the thousands of on lookers.

Manchester is a right shit hole, especially places like Rusholme, Moss Side, Salford. My advice, don't go to an off licence in Rusholme

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

You guys make it sound like every journey by foot is frought with potential danger with irritable alpha males dogging your every step.

Am I the only person here who has never been in a fight, started on by a stranger or had reason to defend myself? :confused:

Where do you guys all live to have so much hassle.

I'm 35 and never had anyone start on me ever. I've even been pissed so badly before that I've fallen practically unconscious and some stranger has actually walked me home, and they didn't mug me or try to rape me.

It must be a hellhole in America and inner cities, down here in Torquay its nice and safe.

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Every time you step in to a bar,in the states there is a potential for violence.
One of my faves,and indicitive of the states,a buddy of mine went in to a relatively nice Irish bar in the states to pick up a sixer of Guiness. Keep in mind my buddy is black. A guy comes up to him and says,"Dont you mean Colt .45,BROTHER"(its a stereo type that all black people drink malt liquor),He tried to blow him off while he was waiting for his beer,and the other guy kept repeating it. Finally Levi just said,"Funny,I dont smell any soup,but I sure do see a cracker"
And then all hell broke loose.
Since he was on leave from the Navy,its a good thing he beat the guys ass,because his superiors didnt find this nearly as funny as I did.
Andrew isnt even allowed to go in bars anymore,because I know any phone call I get from him that starts with the phrase,"So I was in a bar...." is not going to put a smile on my face.
Welcome to America

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

You guys make it sound like every journey by foot is frought with potential danger with irritable alpha males dogging your every step.

Am I the only person here who has never been in a fight, started on by a stranger or had reason to defend myself? :confused:

Where do you guys all live to have so much hassle.

I'm 35 and never had anyone start on me ever. I've even been pissed so badly before that I've fallen practically unconscious and some stranger has actually walked me home, and they didn't mug me or try to rape me.

It must be a hellhole in America and inner cities, down here in Torquay its nice and safe.

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Every time you step in to a bar,in the states there is a potential for violence.
One of my faves,and indicitive of the states,a buddy of mine went in to a relatively nice Irish bar in the states to pick up a sixer of Guiness. Keep in mind my buddy is black. A guy comes up to him and says,"Dont you mean Colt .45,BROTHER"(its a stereo type that all black people drink malt liquor),He tried to blow him off while he was waiting for his beer,and the other guy kept repeating it. Finally Levi just said,"Funny,I dont smell any soup,but I sure do see a cracker"
And then all hell broke loose.
Since he was on leave from the Navy,its a good thing he beat the guys ass,because his superiors didnt find this nearly as funny as I did.
Andrew isnt even allowed to go in bars anymore,because I know any phone call I get from him that starts with the phrase,"So I was in a bar...." is not going to put a smile on my face.
Welcome to America

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I'm from RI, and i don't consider it a "tough" place to live.. I'm in Providence at least 2-3 nights a week going out, and i'd say at least 2-3 times a month i'll witness a stupid brawl. We had a VIP booth at this new place on Saturday.. I walked away for a minute, came back and all of our drinks were all over the floor because of a fight where someone got shoved into the booth/table.. Happens all the time. So I can relate in that respect..

As far as me personally, i've had my share of scraps, but if you mind your own business you increase your chance greatly of staying out of trouble.. As Bas Ruten would say, the first rule about getting into a fight at a bar, is not getting into a fight at a bar. While there are absolutely a number of guys who go out looking for a fight every night they're out, i normally travel with a large enough group of kids that keeps us out of trouble..

Hope i did not jinx myself.