I think RJJ will surprise people

I still feel he is going to win one more big fight. Everytime I watch the Calzaghe fight, he was simply outworked, Calzaghe wasn't landing better shots(was hardly landing any of his shots) Roy was landing the cleaner, more effective punches, and thats against Calzaghe. I think he would do fine against guys like Jermain Taylor or even Bernard Hopkins because styles make fights, and they don't have the output to overwhelm Roy, and he still has enough quickness and guile to remain elusive, nobody has really been able to land at will on him in any fight.

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I still feel he is going to win one more big fight. Everytime I watch the Calzaghe fight, he was simply outworked, Calzaghe wasn't landing better shots(was hardly landing any of his shots) Roy was landing the cleaner, more effective punches, and thats against Calzaghe. I think he would do fine against guys like Jermain Taylor or even Bernard Hopkins because styles make fights, and they don't have the output to overwhelm Roy, and he still has enough quickness and guile to remain elusive, nobody has really been able to land at will on him in any fight.

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He got a cut says it all? I am surprised Joe couldn't stop him, even though Roy couldn't see out of one eye for half the fight. People will look back at their fight years from now and realize that Joe really wasn't that impressive in the fight, he could barely land anything, he was showboating, but getting hit flush as a result of it, that Roy who was a shade of his former self held his own until he got that bad cut, and besides outworking Roy, Joe really didn't outbox him.

I agree, as long as he takes it a bit slow and works his way up to a big one. Beat a few (maybe two) more Sheika types and then take on one more top tier guy. But if he can't pull the trigger in those easier fight even though he wins them, call it a caree and leave with dignity and grace.

And I also believe my sig says it all.

I think he made the mistake of fighting Joe Calzaghe who was way too much for him, at this stage in his career he can't fight pressure fighters, he needs to fight guys who will try to box against him. He has the handspeed and the reflexes still to be successful in this style of fight, but because people are not used to Roy fighting off the ropes, and people have never given a lot of credit to this defensive style which Winky has also not been given much credit for using, I think Roy has to back up his opponents, because when his back is against the ropes I think people see him turtling and get the wrong impression. If you look back to Ali, even he got hit a solidly a lot more than Roy is getting hit now.

The only big fight for him is Hopkins and there's no way he beats Hopkins.

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He got a cut says it all? I am surprised Joe couldn't stop him, even though Roy couldn't see out of one eye for half the fight. People will look back at their fight years from now and realize that Joe really wasn't that impressive in the fight, he could barely land anything, he was showboating, but getting hit flush as a result of it, that Roy who was a shade of his former self held his own until he got that bad cut, and besides outworking Roy, Joe really didn't outbox him.

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Calzaghe slapped the hell out of Jones, and it was no headbutt that caused that cut

Joe could have knocked jones out but carried him to the end of the fight. Calzaghe purposely didn't ko jones when he easily could have. Calzaghe held back.

Calzaghe could barely land anything clean, and most of the time he only did so by throwing unorthodox punches that because of their design carried no weight behind them.

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yea Joe didn't land shit, i'm sure it was Jones' corner that cut open his eye to make the fight more dramatic ala WWE :rolleyes:

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yea Joe didn't land shit, i'm sure it was Jones' corner that cut open his eye to make the fight more dramatic ala WWE :rolleyes:

I know his fans still have faith, but mine is gone. Jones did the same thing against felix, looked okay but against top competition i don't give him much of a chance anymore. He'll probably get another big fight against someone older than he is....but for what ?? The fans...sure i guess. But as far making a real dent in the sport anymore i don't think so. A b-hop match-up a couple of decades ago would have been nice but a fight now just gives either guy a million and a half excuses for why they lost afterward if anything.

Before I say absolutely anything I got to see the fight vs Sheika

I think the only fight left for him is a hopkins rematch.. and I would give my left AND right nut to see it. The only problems I see is roy jones demanding the larger share of the $'s (as he did in the original proposed rematch) as one last big payoff before he retires. Although this time around I think Hopkins would deserve the bigger share... or maybe even a equal split.

I don't think he would expect the lion share anymore, that would be foolish, anyways if I am wrong feel free to throw it in my face guys, but I have a feeling he's going to win a fight that will surprise everyone before all is said and done.

I think he should go for a Woods rematch;)

If he beats Woods in style not only has he legitimately jumped the rankings to actually earn a shot but Woods name is quite recognisable to the casual fan now I think, so its a fairly marketable fight that actually means a bit.

Do it in the UK and make a mint on the gate from the UK fans that never got to see him live, then at least he can say he travelled;D

I actually said straight after the Calzaghe fight that I wouldn't be suprised to see Jones go on to beat Hopkins in a rematch.

If he fights on the golden oldie tour there are a bunch of fights that he could be very competitive in and win.

Hopkins would be a great fight.

Not sure if people would want to see this but I also think a fight with Chris Byrd at cruiserweight would be a possibility, both former world champs, Byrd a former legit heavyweight champ, not a terrible matchup in my opinion.

If James Toney could ever get his diet sorted him and Jones for a second time would be a nice way to end their careers.

If Winky beats Paul Williams that could be a natural fight as well.

Actually Paul Williams himself might fancy it and that would be one hell of a fight too.

All these fights would be watchable and winnable for Roy Jones.

I don't want to see him fighting legit guys who are coming to win and knock his head off. Definitely don't want to see him in with guys like Chad Dawson, Kelly Pavlik, Kessler etc I think he's too old and doesn't need to be taking on such guys when he's probably only around 75% of the fighter he was.

The other fighters mentioned are all past their prime too though with the exception of Williams who would be well out of his weight class so a fair matchup.

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yea Joe didn't land shit, i'm sure it was Jones' corner that cut open his eye to make the fight more dramatic ala WWE :rolleyes:

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Yeah because cuts can't be caused by glancing blows? In fact its more likely to happen from a glancing blow, how often are cuts around the eyes caused by cleanly landed punches? Its usually the cuff or the seem of the glove that cause cuts like that, or a glancing blow which was Calzaghe mostly landed. Roy landed more flush punches than Joe did, it just wasn't enough when Calzaghe half landed twice as many punches.

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I actually said straight after the Calzaghe fight that I wouldn't be suprised to see Jones go on to beat Hopkins in a rematch.

If he fights on the golden oldie tour there are a bunch of fights that he could be very competitive in and win.

Hopkins would be a great fight.

Not sure if people would want to see this but I also think a fight with Chris Byrd at cruiserweight would be a possibility, both former world champs, Byrd a former legit heavyweight champ, not a terrible matchup in my opinion.

If James Toney could ever get his diet sorted him and Jones for a second time would be a nice way to end their careers.

If Winky beats Paul Williams that could be a natural fight as well.

Actually Paul Williams himself might fancy it and that would be one hell of a fight too.

All these fights would be watchable and winnable for Roy Jones.

I don't want to see him fighting legit guys who are coming to win and knock his head off. Definitely don't want to see him in with guys like Chad Dawson, Kelly Pavlik, Kessler etc I think he's too old and doesn't need to be taking on such guys when he's probably only around 75% of the fighter he was.

The other fighters mentioned are all past their prime too though with the exception of Williams who would be well out of his weight class so a fair matchup.

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I think him against Chad Dawson would be interesting because Dawson isn't a pressure fighter, has solid punches, but hasn't taken out elite opponents, and both of them are amazingly fast. Roy has a great body, and has always been able to take the body shots which Dawson lands about as well as anyone, but I think Jones wouldn't get annihilated by Dawson or Kessler. Against Pavlik it could really go either way, he could get smashed up against the ropes, or move and befuddle, and maybe even knock Kelly out.

But like you said I think his style suits him best against Hopkins.

I think Wright is a terrible choice, he's harder to hit than Joe, he's a pressure fighter can throw a ton of punches, I think he could make jones look terrible. I would have loved to see them fight near their primes.

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Yeah because cuts can't be caused by glancing blows? In fact its more likely to happen from a glancing blow, how often are cuts around the eyes caused by cleanly landed punches? Its usually the cuff or the seem of the glove that cause cuts like that, or a glancing blow which was Calzaghe mostly landed. Roy landed more flush punches than Joe did, it just wasn't enough when Calzaghe half landed twice as many punches.

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Jones is shot dude, he looked good on Saturday against another shot fighter the same way he looked good against Trinidad who also is *gasp* shot.

He's not shot.

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with that said you're crazy, Jones whole strategy as of late is lay on the ropes and cover up, Taylor, Hopkins, Dawson, Kessler, hell ever Miranda will be able to keep him on the ropes and make him pay when he tries to counter, JONES IS SHOT! basically been getting worse since his 3rd fight against Tarver, didn't look all the great with the 2 KO losses back to back either

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I actually said straight after the Calzaghe fight that I wouldn't be suprised to see Jones go on to beat Hopkins in a rematch.

If he fights on the golden oldie tour there are a bunch of fights that he could be very competitive in and win.

Hopkins would be a great fight.

Not sure if people would want to see this but I also think a fight with Chris Byrd at cruiserweight would be a possibility, both former world champs, Byrd a former legit heavyweight champ, not a terrible matchup in my opinion.

If James Toney could ever get his diet sorted him and Jones for a second time would be a nice way to end their careers.

If Winky beats Paul Williams that could be a natural fight as well.

Actually Paul Williams himself might fancy it and that would be one hell of a fight too.

All these fights would be watchable and winnable for Roy Jones.

I don't want to see him fighting legit guys who are coming to win and knock his head off. Definitely don't want to see him in with guys like Chad Dawson, Kelly Pavlik, Kessler etc I think he's too old and doesn't need to be taking on such guys when he's probably only around 75% of the fighter he was.

The other fighters mentioned are all past their prime too though with the exception of Williams who would be well out of his weight class so a fair matchup.

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I think him against Chad Dawson would be interesting because Dawson isn't a pressure fighter, has solid punches, but hasn't taken out elite opponents, and both of them are amazingly fast. Roy has a great body, and has always been able to take the body shots which Dawson lands about as well as anyone, but I think Jones wouldn't get annihilated by Dawson or Kessler. Against Pavlik it could really go either way, he could get smashed up against the ropes, or move and befuddle, and maybe even knock Kelly out.

But like you said I think his style suits him best against Hopkins.

I think Wright is a terrible choice, he's harder to hit than Joe, he's a pressure fighter can throw a ton of punches, I think he could make jones look terrible. I would have loved to see them fight near their primes.

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I see on boxingtalk that a fight with him and Jeff Lacy is a likely possibility. I like that matchup, good chance for one of them to get back in the mix and a winnable fight for both guys.

@ElterribleMorales, Just because someone is not at their prime doesn't mean they are 'shot'. Like any sport the differences in ability at the very highest level are marginal and if a fighter just slips say 5 percent then all of a sudden he's going to find guys a tier below him much more of a handful than before.

Nobody could watch the display that Jones Jr put on against Sheika last weekend or even Calzaghe a few months ago and say he is 'shot',

Past his prime undoubtably, not the great force he once was yes, yes agreed but he's a long way from being shot.

A shot fighter doesn't go 12 rounds with the number 3 p4p guy in the world.

Jones could still beat virtually all of the ranked righters out there in his weight class and at 168. He's slipped and is no longer absolute top tier but to say he's shot is an overstatement and also a disservice to all those fighters he's still capable of beating.

Even at 40 against Sheika he still showed the skills, speed, charisma and brilliance that seperated him from everyone else the last 15 years.

Taeth Roy is my favourite fighter second only to Ali... but Calzaghe carried him.

He looked pretty decent against Sheika but I don't think that is because he has much more to give... I think that he's just found his level.

On his day I'm sure that there is still a winnable big fight out there for him, but the odds are against it and I don't think that he needs the $$$ or to help his legacy... both of those are solid.

The guy just can't let go.

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Taeth Roy is my favourite fighter second only to Ali... but Calzaghe carried him.

He looked pretty decent against Sheika but I don't think that is because he has much more to give... I think that he's just found his level.

On his day I'm sure that there is still a winnable big fight out there for him, but the odds are against it and I don't think that he needs the $$$ or to help his legacy... both of those are solid.

The guy just can't let go.

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He dominated SHeika, even before this fight I was saying he didn't look that bad against Calzaghe, how exactly did Calzaghe carry him? Calzaghe threw almost a thousand punches, he was trying to get through, but Roy's defense is really good.

Shot is Ali losing to Berbick, Leonard getting ko'ed by Hector Camacho, Duran losing to somebody called Omar Gonzalez.

If Roy was truly shot, Calzaghe would have landed way more, Trinidad would have stopped him.

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Taeth Roy is my favourite fighter second only to Ali... but Calzaghe carried him.

He looked pretty decent against Sheika but I don't think that is because he has much more to give... I think that he's just found his level.

On his day I'm sure that there is still a winnable big fight out there for him, but the odds are against it and I don't think that he needs the $$$ or to help his legacy... both of those are solid.

The guy just can't let go.

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He dominated SHeika, even before this fight I was saying he didn't look that bad against Calzaghe, how exactly did Calzaghe carry him? Calzaghe threw almost a thousand punches, he was trying to get through, but Roy's defense is really good.

Shot is Ali losing to Berbick, Leonard getting ko'ed by Hector Camacho, Duran losing to somebody called Omar Gonzalez.

If Roy was truly shot, Calzaghe would have landed way more, Trinidad would have stopped him.

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Not in the eyes of the haters Taeth. It just confirms that A Trinidad was also shot, and that B Calzaghe is and always has been fucking shit ;D

If he can continue to fight Sheikas,he might just do very well.But once he cannot dictate the terms,wait out his opponents mistakes for the flashy one-two counters and falls back to the corner/ropes against a top teir fighter....hes in big trouble.Roy is not the superman any longer and is sounding like he is just happy to be considered for a biggie lately.

His old legs cant keep him off the damn ropes. Hes still good in the center of the ring, but hes been laying on the ropes too much for too long now. Thats not going to change, and neither will his sucess at the top level.

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Bingo.Some say Calzaghe carried him,I dont exactly buy that in its truest meaning.But....If Calzaghe spent all of that time that he was clowning,shaking his azz and trying to out showman Roy....and insted asserted and applied for the stoppage...he may of produced it.

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Taeth Roy is my favourite fighter second only to Ali... but Calzaghe carried him.

He looked pretty decent against Sheika but I don't think that is because he has much more to give... I think that he's just found his level.

On his day I'm sure that there is still a winnable big fight out there for him, but the odds are against it and I don't think that he needs the $$$ or to help his legacy... both of those are solid.

The guy just can't let go.

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He dominated SHeika, even before this fight I was saying he didn't look that bad against Calzaghe, how exactly did Calzaghe carry him? Calzaghe threw almost a thousand punches, he was trying to get through, but Roy's defense is really good.

Shot is Ali losing to Berbick, Leonard getting ko'ed by Hector Camacho, Duran losing to somebody called Omar Gonzalez.

If Roy was truly shot, Calzaghe would have landed way more, Trinidad would have stopped him.

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Not in the eyes of the haters Taeth. It just confirms that A Trinidad was also shot, and that B Calzaghe is and always has been fucking shit ;D

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I'm not saying Calzaghe is fucking shit, just that he isn't a finisher, and hasn't been for years, just liek Hopkins and Jones haven't been either, but Roy was far from helpless against Joe, and saying Trinidad is shot is laughable people throw that word around as much as robbery and All time great, and its misplaced as often as either of those two.

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He got a cut says it all? I am surprised Joe couldn't stop him, even though Roy couldn't see out of one eye for half the fight. People will look back at their fight years from now and realize that Joe really wasn't that impressive in the fight, he could barely land anything, he was showboating, but getting hit flush as a result of it, that Roy who was a shade of his former self held his own until he got that bad cut, and besides outworking Roy, Joe really didn't outbox him.

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Calzaghe completely clowned RJJ. Calzaghe took mercy on him for the final three rounds. It was obvious.

Effective volume punching is a skill. If not, why didn't RJJ neutralize it? Why didn't Bhop neutralize it? Why didn't Kessler?

Calzaghe is a hell of great boxer, and he did dominate & outbox Roy (although not as much as on the scorecards which were ludicrous) but the fact is a prime Roy would never have let Calzaghe get away with all that clowning in da ring, he would have battered him. Yes Calzaghe's volume punching is an impressive skill, but the fact is a younger RJJ & B-Hop would have found a way to beat it (as Hopkins already did IMO). Saying he beat Trinidad means nothing, Tito was shot & only fighting about 10-15lbs lighter than his walkaround wait & that's assuming he's piled on the pounds. Roy doesn't have it any more, he can maybe beat the likes of Lacy, but Dawson, Hopkins or even Jermain Taylor would have a field day with him now. A Hopkins-Jones rematch would be 12 rounds of Hopkins beating up Roy for all the resentment he's built up in him over the years, before probably KOing him in the 12th. I'm a fan of both guys & its not a fight I wanna see.

He's been shot for a while. Some people just can't get over it, Toney's shot too. I've gotten over it. The Calzaghe fight was a farce from day one, said it from day one it was the easiest "big" fight to predict in forever. But some still think he can turn back the clock that one last time. Still. ;D

Dawson would annihalate him, ffs lets get serious people. ;D

The only fight for him strangely enough might be Hopkins cause that would be a feint fest and Roy if anything needs a slow pace which Hopkins is obviously familiar with. But Hopkins probably gets to him with right hands and he can hurt and stop this version of Roy.