We've had a few lists for who should retire but can you offer thoughts on fighter that retired too early perhaps whilst still on their game with a lot to offer?
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We've had a few lists for who should retire but can you offer thoughts on fighter that retired too early perhaps whilst still on their game with a lot to offer?
I think Calzaghe could have stayed at the top for another fight or two. Marciano possibly too. Both fighters seem to have had issues getting motivated towards the end, so perhaps made the right decisions.
How does Boozeboxer post on threads when he knows nothing about boxing?
Hamed.......?wait?...Ok, just kidding;D
Jemal Hinton .....sheeze, Ike Quartey......like he fights once a lifetime and then gone!
McGuigan:eek:
To clarify, I know he did retire then come back for two fights but the loss to Cruz followed by the death of his father forced him to retire first time.When he came back his heart wasn't in it as he said his father was who inspired him. Still one of the most suspect match ups, send an Irish fighter to fight a Texan in the full sweltering heat in the desert under the ring lights...........led to an ever so slight falling out in the camp later !!
SRL several times ;D
Hagler
Mayweather(should have never quit)
Monzon still had something in the tank
Hagler
Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, George Foreman ;)
Mayweather for sure (although he'll probably come back) I think Calzaghe retired at the right time if he wanted to stay undefeated...especially with the names calling him out
What names? Joe Cal could have stayed undefeated for a couple more years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris24-7
Naz, seriously one loss and calls it quits, he could have still had a great career post MAB.
Terry Marsh
Floyd for a recent fighter..
Undefeated and still in his prime..
Calzaghe because i want to see him get beat, but he was smart to retire.. If you don't need the money and you're starting to lose a step in the ring, then it's time to go.. Not saying he lost a step but he would've got there.. speed is the first thing to go.
yeh his confidence must ov goneQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Naz didn't retire voluntarily. He simply lost his cojones after the MAB fight, ran over somebody, and became someone's cell b1tch.
Felix Tito Trinidad- He could have stuck around as long as he did not fight pure boxers and he stayed in shape. He was a beast at 154.
Naseem Hamed- Its even worst was that he was so damn arrogant after his wins and then 1 loss he was totally deflated.
Lennox Lewis- I know he had to do what he had to do for himself but it has never been the same since he left.
Kostya Tszyu- I still think he had a punchers chance against anyone 140 to 147 for a couple more years.
Ike Quartey- Was never the same after the Oscar fight but still had an iron chin and skills.
Marvin Hagler- Damn that Sugar Ray and those judges.
Sven Ottke- Got out when it was getting interesting.
Khaosai Galaxy- Little past 30 years old and calls it quit. Was an asian Mike Tyson.
Ricardo Lopez- Still could have ruled for another couple years.
Rocky Marciano
Harry Simon
Rocky Marciano got out because he had a bad back and I for one can tell you, hitting a heavybag the way he did ain't great for your back. He was going to have a comeback fight vs Ingemar Johannsen...I think he would have been 50-0-0 after that....maybe, MAYBE Floyd Patterson's speed would have given Rocky trouble but I think he would have remained unbeaten until Sonny Liston got up there, just because by the time Liston started Rocky was finishing up.
Joe Calzaghe could have stuck around for a few more fights.
Felix Trinidad could have done more...I still wish he and Shane Mosley had fought.
My understanding is that Hagler couldn't get the rematch so he retired. I'd say he made the right decision. Under the circumstances, no matter what he did, he'd never get redemption, at least in his own mind which is where it matters the most.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Not tryin to be a smart ass, just curious as to why you said Ike Quartey had an iron chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
He got dropped by Oscar couple times.
And by WINKY WRIGHT like 3 times.
Very good fighter and I liked him but never thought his chin was iron.
His will was though thats for sure.
It has to be big George Foreman! 27 years old in 1976 and he gives it all up?
WTF ? Foreman would only have been 30 by 1979 when Holmes won the title.
I know the reasons why he gave it up but it is a shame as he still had a lot to offer and Holmes would have found Foreman a formidable foe back then.
Boxing history was altered considerably by his decision.
In Australia we had Featherweight champion Johnny Famechon retire at age 26 years?
Maybe not quite iron but he still was never knocked out and that has to count for something. How about rock jawed, iron will and very skilled? =)Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkNot tryin to be a smart ass, just curious as to why you said Ike Quartey had an iron chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
He got dropped by Oscar couple times.
And by WINKY WRIGHT like 3 times.
Very good fighter and I liked him but never thought his chin was iron.
His will was though thats for sure.
Jeff Chandler,Bantam Champ that flew under the radar.
Yoko Gushiken from Japan.Dude was a whirlwind.Won his Jr.Fly belt in under 10 fights,made 13 defenses and then retired after a rematch loss,his only loss at the old age of 26.
He fought a Spanish guy after Barerra but when he was interviewed after the weigh in he was slurring his words he was so dehydrated and didn't look much better during the fight. He didn't fancy moving up in weight and had made a pile of cash so he packed it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Though I am a Rocky fan, Marciano would have had a damn tough time with guys like Patterson and Johanssen who were just coming up as well as a very young Sonny LIston.
He was already getting really unmotivated and fat and bald and eating too much lasagne and bracciole. Take it from me, one who is like him in terms of the same ethnicity. :D
George Foreman, yeah definitely--always wondered why there was no rematch with Ali.
Lennox Lewis...??!! NO WAY, if that guy hadnt retired when he did, he wouldve made a large mistake in it.
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Originally Posted by jon09Maybe not quite iron but he still was never knocked out and that has to count for something. How about rock jawed, iron will and very skilled? =)Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkNot tryin to be a smart ass, just curious as to why you said Ike Quartey had an iron chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
He got dropped by Oscar couple times.
And by WINKY WRIGHT like 3 times.
Very good fighter and I liked him but never thought his chin was iron.
His will was though thats for sure.
Man I must be crazy........ Ike didn't get dropped 3 times in the Winky fight did he?
Blah blah blah on his chin. The topic was retired to early not chin debate...Either way Ike should have stuck around a little while longer and or fought more often:beatdeadhorse:Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09Maybe not quite iron but he still was never knocked out and that has to count for something. How about rock jawed, iron will and very skilled? =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Man I must be crazy........ Ike didn't get dropped 3 times in the Winky fight did he?
Terry Marsh
Spinks
Leon............;D
Naseem Hamed he was only 28 he still had alot to offer and Lennox lewis should have fought Vitali again just to shut him up
Gene Tunney
Hamed as it turned out was mentally weak and sulked after the loss to Barrera, he is a man of dubious character and showed us all he was no real champion. Weak effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
He was past his prime and best, his peak was short but blazing!Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANHamed as it turned out was mentally weak and sulked after the loss to Barrera, he is a man of dubious character and showed us all he was no real champion. Weak effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
I don't think he could have offered much more post Barrera though. His comeback was awful. He did seem to be short of the mental stamina needed to stay at the top. And his activity since has proven it. You compare a fighter like Naseem to Barrera and laugh. Hamed got worse as he developed, a comeback would have been scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe was past his prime and best, his peak was short but blazing!Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANHamed as it turned out was mentally weak and sulked after the loss to Barrera, he is a man of dubious character and showed us all he was no real champion. Weak effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
I've posted this before, MAB announced his retirement after returning to Mexico from his fight vs. Daniel Jimenez in which he won his 1st world title.
Yutaka Niida had announced his retirement in '01 but cameback in '03.
Now after loosing to Gonzalez he's announced his retirement. He's only 29 with just 28 fights.
Vicente Saldivar retired twice early because he no longer wanted to live the life of a boxer cameback 2 yrs. later. Retired again and cameback 2 yrs. later.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Fammo pretty much weary with the sport by that time in his career?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Harada was 26 when he retired although he did have 60+ fights so that def. played a major role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Re Tery Marsh and Duran, health issues were the reasons there. But Duran was shot anyway.
David Haye!! :confused: :o
Simon was sentenced to server some jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
He didn't retire on his own.
Fammo was more than a little peeved at the Saldivar decision and yes he was weary of the constant training and fighting, back in the days when fighters had 6-10 fights a year. Fammo like Harada had more than 60 + fights so i guess i can't blame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickI've posted this before, MAB announced his retirement after returning to Mexico from his fight vs. Daniel Jimenez in which he won his 1st world title.
Yutaka Niida had announced his retirement in '01 but cameback in '03.
Now after loosing to Gonzalez he's announced his retirement. He's only 29 with just 28 fights.
Vicente Saldivar retired twice early because he no longer wanted to live the life of a boxer cameback 2 yrs. later. Retired again and cameback 2 yrs. later.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Fammo pretty much weary with the sport by that time in his career?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Harada was 26 when he retired although he did have 60+ fights so that def. played a major role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins