My opinion . Destined for massive things has got the lot ,I've been in Boxing along time and few capture the imagination like this man .
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My opinion . Destined for massive things has got the lot ,I've been in Boxing along time and few capture the imagination like this man .
I think he is a very good fighter, entertaining to watch and seems like a nice fella . I think he just falls short at world class but I hope he proves me wrong.
He`s no Joe Calzaghe and never will be, but i also dont think he`ll flop stateside like your clinton woods.
True test of Froch will come in April, If he stands up to the test and manages to outwork taylor and take a decision then he indeed has a future at world level.
If however he gets exposed badly by fighting a far superior opponent to what he is used to you may as well just book up your next 5 froch fights at the nottingham arena!!!
I'm in the same boat really. If he can do well against Taylor I will be very impressed and he will have proven himself without a doubt that he deserves to be spoken of highly.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Has lots of skills when coming forward and a really solid beard, but his defence is about as bad as it gets and I am 100% sure that IF he ever fights a really top class big puncher he will get sparked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
Taylor fight is very interesting, becuase we know Taylor doesn't like the game and doesn't like a tear up and he's gonna get one! Hard to call!
Fantastic chin.
Everything else about him pretty average. That said wouldnt be surprised if he sparked Taylor.
Yea he is no Joe Calzaghe,
He looks like he can take a good shot, but defense is terrible, left hand is always down around his waist leaving his chin out in the open,
I do think he will beat taylor if he doesnt i dont think any one will be seeing him in the US for a while after.
;D I like the cut of your jib.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
I don't think Froch has beaten anyone of note yet to prove to me he is truly world class - he's beaten some good fighters but April 25th will give him the opportunity to take it to the next level.
He's no Calzaghe and I currently believe he will go same way as Enzo Maccarinelli and just fall short on the big stage.
Looking forward to it mind....
The good thing about Froch, or bad if you like is that he can take a clump so even if he gets beat, its going to be brutal, he's never going to get flattened quickly.
He talks a lot of rubbish, he has balls, he has an A grade chin, he is fan friendly, he has limited defensive skills but counters that with a will to win at any cost, Mr Froch is growing on me, I back him to beat Taylor who could hardly deal with little Kassim Ouma.
I don't know the first thing about this Carl Froch, all I know is that he has a pretty nice following and if it werent for his nut huggers, I would not even know his name ;D
Mr Whittington, when you say "has got the lot", that would suggest he has a top defence along with his other tools, which has to be far from the truth. Although I don't really know if anyone at 168 has the power to ko him, just beat him on points.
I see him as the kind of man that will absolutely go to war before he gets beaten, big, powerful and aggressive with a medium sized dollop of speed to go with it. For me, a true test at 168 isn't Taylor, its Kessler now Calzaghe has gone. I also think that Calzaghe would have ran rings around him to a UD.
I don't think he's got the lot by any means. Before the Pascal fight we were being told he had devastating power, which didn't seem to bear out in the fight, now its that he has a great chin, which truthfully has yet to be tested by a real world-class puncher. I don't think Taylor KO's him, because I don't think he has the power, but TBH if he got into a sluggin match with Kessler or Andrade, I couldn't see him coming out on top. Plus, he's got fuck all charisma, I don't get how people get so wound up by the little things Amir Khan says, but this guy proclaiming himself as the best SMW in the world off beating Jean Pascal & saying he beats Calzaghe in his prime doesn't make people wanna see him get laid out
He's a good fighter.Would like to see what happens when he gets pushed on the back foot cause his defence is poor but he can take a punch.I think he falls short against the like of Kessler.
Would like to see him in with Edison Miranda fink that would be a good fight.
I like him, hes far from a boring boxer, he can really hit hard and can take a few too, hes a better boxer than his last performance against Pascal but shows a bit of indiscapline and likes to go into a bit of a war. But then theres a fair few legends of the sport that did that.
I think Taylor is his toughest fight yet, Taylor gets a bad press with his engine being poor and i even hear about his bad chin which a completely disagree with. And i dont care if hes coming from a lesser weight he did Hopkins which saya a hell of alot about him.
This fight will help me decide whether or not hes really worthy of the WBC belt and all the hype he seems to be getting. I think he will prove to be worthy but there is something that niggles me, at times he can look very average and those average moments could be the ones that catch him out when hes facing the big big names in the division.
Well at least Froch has stepped it up and won a fight convincingly. I'm not a fan of Froch by any means, but to compare him to Khan makes me laugh a little. Both Froch and Khan would do a lot better by closing their pig ignorant traps somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
*snort* ;D dunno why fighters seem to think they have to tell us how good they are all the time, shut up and show us. Who are they trying to preach to?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell at least Froch has stepped it up and won a fight convincingly. I'm not a fan of Froch by any means, but to compare him to Khan makes me laugh a little. Both Froch and Khan would do a lot better by closing their pig ignorant traps somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Yes, Miles, comparing Froch with Khan is silly, Froch is 10 years older with the same amount of fights.
Big nose has a decent dig, solid chin and by fighting Taylor, the challenger, in his own backyard has shown some serious bollocks.
Or serious stupidness.. depending on how you look at it. ;)
Disagree with you, I don't think Froch's record is much better than Khan's. A load of shot, old fighters or guys who really weren't on the level. I did not think Froch was particularly 'convincing' against Pascal, for me it was a close victory with a lot mistakes against a guy who's not even top 10 in the division. I think Froch gets a much easier ride than Khan who doesn't come out with half the same crap. Khan gets asked questions, then the stupid Brit media blow things out of proportion, probably at the behest of Frank Wanker. Froch doesn't ever get misquoted, he says these things in live boxing shows, he seems to actually be Mick Hennessy's soulmate.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell at least Froch has stepped it up and won a fight convincingly. I'm not a fan of Froch by any means, but to compare him to Khan makes me laugh a little. Both Froch and Khan would do a lot better by closing their pig ignorant traps somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
In Khan's case he is most likely preaching to the Amir Khan forum. Which I have to say is the worst forum I have encountered in my time upon planet earth. In defence of Froch, he probably has a decent shot at beating Taylor, which will take him somewhere at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy*snort* ;D dunno why fighters seem to think they have to tell us how good they are all the time, shut up and show us. Who are they trying to preach to?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell at least Froch has stepped it up and won a fight convincingly. I'm not a fan of Froch by any means, but to compare him to Khan makes me laugh a little. Both Froch and Khan would do a lot better by closing their pig ignorant traps somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Talk is louder than actions, so we shall see. ;D
Im not sold on Khan nor Froch really, but I do think Froch has stepped it up better than Khan. Froch is at the world level, Khan really isn't, for he has proven NOTHING. Khan isnt even the best at domestic level for crying out loud. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinDisagree with you, I don't think Froch's record is much better than Khan's. A load of shot, old fighters or guys who really weren't on the level. I did not think Froch was particularly 'convincing' against Pascal, for me it was a close victory with a lot mistakes against a guy who's not even top 10 in the division. I think Froch gets a much easier ride than Khan who doesn't come out with half the same crap. Khan gets asked questions, then the stupid Brit media blow things out of proportion, probably at the behest of Frank Wanker. Froch doesn't ever get misquoted, he says these things in live boxing shows, he seems to actually be Mick Hennessy's soulmate.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWell at least Froch has stepped it up and won a fight convincingly. I'm not a fan of Froch by any means, but to compare him to Khan makes me laugh a little. Both Froch and Khan would do a lot better by closing their pig ignorant traps somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
If you want to believe he is then fair enough. I won't argue with you. but until he fights his way through, I will most likely doubt him.
I havent seen alot of Froch yet, here in the states is is pretty much a nobody. He can make a breakthrough if he beats Taylor. The fights I have seen of Froch he was getting hit alot.Taylor is a good puncher so if he passes that test I will take notice.
Side note - From the little I have seen of Froch (I have seen Taylor fight a ton) I see Froch getting sparked.
Such a tough one to call and Froch usually makes an interesting fight...possibly because he gets hit so much and loves to wind up his uppercuts. If Taylor shows to Froch what he showed to Pavlik then maybe Carl can take him out, but as far as boxing ability goes, Taylor is quite far ahead really.
If it goes the distance then it's Taylor's no prob I reckon, but I have a sneaky feeling that Froch is gonna win by KO in the 7th/8th round :P
You've got to admire Froch for going to America to fight his first defence against a guy who's fought in much higher class than him. Until he beat Pascal his best win was against a 37 year old ex-porn star and he was best known for his mouth and avoiding getting in the ring with anybody good till his thirties. I'd never seen Pascal before the Froch fight and thought he'd be a much better fighter if he'd had a jab. Taylor has a jab but Froch is the far hungrier fighter, but I still take Taylor by close decision. I think Kessler would hand his arse to him if they ever fought.
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Originally Posted by themacmagician
Please no need for the formaility kind sir ! Please , call me Big dick .
Yeah sorry when i said the ''the lot'' I meant in terms of appeal !
Hmmm by some of the comments on this here forum it seems Carl Froch is something of a marmite fighter!
I'd say he's a level fighter lets his heart rule his head but has so much confidence you cant help like the fella .
I aggree Kessler would tell us more about the Cobra but I think Carl is at that stage where the jury is still out ,the same stage Kessler was at before Mundine and Pavlik before Mirinda even though he has served a lengthy immpressive apprenticeship apart from Pascal who is also not proven world class he has it too do .
I think he will wipe the floor with Taylor and then set the house of the Supermiddles on Fire .
I'm backing my man all the way 100%
Would you back him to win against Kessler ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick WhittingtonQuote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Please no need for the formaility kind sir ! Please , call me Big dick .
Yeah sorry when i said the ''the lot'' I meant in terms of appeal !
Hmmm by some of the comments on this here forum it seems Carl Froch is something of a marmite fighter!
I'd say he's a level fighter lets his heart rule his head but has so much confidence you cant help like the fella .
I aggree Kessler would tell us more about the Cobra but I think Carl is at that stage where the jury is still out ,the same stage Kessler was at before Mundine and Pavlik before Mirinda even though he has served a lengthy immpressive apprenticeship apart from Pascal who is also not proven world class he has it too do .
I think he will wipe the floor with Taylor and then set the house of the Supermiddles on Fire .
I'm backing my man all the way 100%
As far as his personality goes, Froch is arrogant and untested, which is a vexing combination. By comparing himself to Calzaghe, I had a difficult time taking him seriously until he decided to travel the US to fight Jermain Taylor. I can't help but give him credit for leaving the safe confines of England to fight a tough opponent. From what I've seen, his ability as a boxer is lacking in some areas but strong in others. In addition to decent punching power, he possesses admirable determination and a strong chin. On the other hand, he isn't fast enough to leave his left hand as low as he does and his head movement is relatively non-existent. In sum, Froch is very watchable because he'll leave it all in the ring and doesn't cower from punches.
In regards to the Taylor fight, given the above discussion, I lean toward Taylor taking a unanimous but hard-fought close decision with Froch giving a good showing of himself and considerably raising his profile. Possibly earning himself a rematch or a lucrative fight against another relatively big name like Miranda or Bika. Either poses stylistic challenges for Froch.
On another note, I understand Kessler has proven himself to be a talented boxer, but isn't it fair to say that due to his promotional problems and recent level of opposition that he is irrelevant for the next period of time and that Bute (or Bhop if he remains) is the man at the top of the heap in the 168 division?
Tantalising question .Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifWould you back him to win against Kessler ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick WhittingtonQuote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Please no need for the formaility kind sir ! Please , call me Big dick .
Yeah sorry when i said the ''the lot'' I meant in terms of appeal !
Hmmm by some of the comments on this here forum it seems Carl Froch is something of a marmite fighter!
I'd say he's a level fighter lets his heart rule his head but has so much confidence you cant help like the fella .
I aggree Kessler would tell us more about the Cobra but I think Carl is at that stage where the jury is still out ,the same stage Kessler was at before Mundine and Pavlik before Mirinda even though he has served a lengthy immpressive apprenticeship apart from Pascal who is also not proven world class he has it too do .
I think he will wipe the floor with Taylor and then set the house of the Supermiddles on Fire .
I'm backing my man all the way 100%
Yep I do . I dont back it up with any high brow assesment of style just got this feeling in my loins and they're at least 30% right 30% of the time
I'll take the 70% on Kessler then ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick WhittingtonTantalising question .Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifWould you back him to win against Kessler ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
Yep I do . I dont back it up with any high brow assesment of style just got this feeling in my loins and they're at least 30% right 30% of the time
"He's no Calzaghe"
Damn right he aint.
For starters, he's flying off to defend a legit title against the 2nd most dangerous man in the division.
Took Joe over a decade and two pull-outs, to get it on with our Jeffry.
Big Dickhead - You say Froch will wipe the floor with Taylor but you think Kessler would give him a tougher fight? Based upon what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick WhittingtonQuote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
Please no need for the formaility kind sir ! Please , call me Big dick .
Yeah sorry when i said the ''the lot'' I meant in terms of appeal !
Hmmm by some of the comments on this here forum it seems Carl Froch is something of a marmite fighter!
I'd say he's a level fighter lets his heart rule his head but has so much confidence you cant help like the fella .
I aggree Kessler would tell us more about the Cobra but I think Carl is at that stage where the jury is still out ,the same stage Kessler was at before Mundine and Pavlik before Mirinda even though he has served a lengthy immpressive apprenticeship apart from Pascal who is also not proven world class he has it too do .
I think he will wipe the floor with Taylor and then set the house of the Supermiddles on Fire .
I'm backing my man all the way 100%
Taylor has fought a much better level of opposition (more experienced) than Kessler and to me is a more skilled fighter and has comparable power. Remember Tayor beat Hopkins TWICE. Who has Kessler beat? Taylor is just as tall as Kessler and has a longer reach than Mikk. I think Taylor beats Froch and Kessler.
And before everyone starts saying they think Hopkins won whatever either way he gave Hopkins all he could handle.......I think the reason he beat Hopkins is based on his power...Hopkins felt it and chose to play keep away...
I think Taylor is a sleeper at 68 and is going to beat them all......One thing for sure is if Taylor beats Froch he will gun for Kessler cause Jermaine dont dodge anyone....
Either way, some great fights coming up at SMW...
Personal opinion.
Good banger.untested againt world class opposition. Will get outboxed by Taylor.
He's a fraud who will lose his next fight. His career will mirror Robert McCracken career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
Only now would he have the right to be calling out JC as he can bring something to the table.But it's all a bit late now so he needs to do what he's doing and put up or shut up against the active fighters. Glad he is chasing the names and willing to go to their backyard though.
Does have a good chin but that can only last so long with your arm hanging down by your knees. Also seems to have been around for a long time and only now achieiving things.
overall I have a Public Enemy opinion of Froch "Don't believe the hype"
Question: Froch loses against Taylor, hangs gloves up....
Would boxing be a more boring place without him?
Joe has retired, Ricky has not long left and Haye will prob get knocked out... we'd have nobody.
who would in a fight between tam seddon and dick whittington??
And would Pacquiao inflict the worst beating ever on them?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I don't know enough about the guy to have an opinion but if he looses i guess it won't really matter cause if calzaghe couldn't get love over here he'll be at the superstar status of gary lockett probaby for the rest of his career. I wish him well though nothing wrong with another good fighter jumping the pond..they haven't really dissappointed me yet.
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Originally Posted by Mar
Woods apart
The guy is very limited in talent and stunk the place out when he fought tarver. Expected him to get beat but to not fight back was almost embarrasing to watch at times!!
Reid took a bit of a hammering towards the end of his career when he went over to fight lacy
And of course Michael Jennings got a hiding off of Cotto but he was an also ran before he even boarded the airplane.