Inside Margaritos Hand Wraps

Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements, state Department of Justice says

Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements, state Department of Justice says | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times

3:09 PM, March 26, 2009

The hand wrappings confiscated from former world welterweight champion Antonio Margarito minutes before his scheduled title defense against Shane Mosley in January contained calcium and sulfur, two of the primary elements of plaster of Paris, a state Department of Justice laboratory reported in documents obtained by The Times today.

Hardened gauze pads that were inserted inside the wrappings around Margarito's knuckle area were seized Jan. 24 after Mosley's trainer Nazim Richardson objected to their use.

Margarito proceeded to lose his title in a ninth-round technical knockout by Pomona's Mosley, and the California State Athletic Commission subsequently revoked the licenses of the Tijuana fighter and his trainer, Javier Capetillo, and the pair will likely not be allowed to fight in the U.S. until next year.

A Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer reported calcium and sulfur were discovered, noting the elements make plaster of Paris with the addition of oxygen. The report was dated March 19. "The commission's decision appears to be supported by that report," said Karen Chappelle, the state supervising deputy attorney general for licensing who urged the California commission to revoke the fighter and trainer's licenses. "The only things that are allowed in hand wraps are gauze and tape and those items aren't gauze and tape."

Chappelle said Margarito and Capetillo have yet to appeal their revocations, although Margarito promoter Bob Arum has said he'd like the boxer to return to the ring in Mexico later this year.

Arum had no immediate response to the findings, saying, "I'd have to see [the report]."

-- Lance Pugmire

Yeah he should receive a life ban, but he wont.....

Just like any other crime you have to kill someone before they really penalize you....

He should be banned for life and his trainer too but it still won't stop me watching the rematch with Cotto.

Banned for life...

FUCK MARGACHEATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious2:

Remember everyone, there is still a chance that he could have his license revoked for life, because when they handed down their decision before, they stated that it was for a minimum of 1 year, and that they would take the test results into consideration. So it's not over for him.

The State of California just this week suspended ALL amateur boxing in the state because of problems, so it seems they are cracking down big time on boxing. Here's a link in case you want to read about that.

Say it Aint' So


So this gives me hope that this mutha fucka won't be able to fight in the states ever again. He should not be allowed to earn anymore money here, or anywhere else.

He had no regard for his opponents life, or their potential career ending injuries he could have given them, and he deserves no fuking mercy!!!

And if Arum, continues to support him, and tries to get him fights in Mexico, that will really piss Cotto off, and it will be bye, bye Top Rank for Cotto when his contract is up at the end of this year.

As long as Margarito is banned, Cotto will not fight him.

He should be encarsarated.

I would like to encourage everyone to let the commission know that they should permanently revoke Margacheato's license.

They don't have an email address, but there's three ways you can file a complaint.

First you can submit one in writing to the below address.

California State Athletic Commission
2005 Evergreen Street, Suite 2010
Sacramento, CA 95815
Attn: Complaint Administrator

Or you can call (916) 263-2195 and press "8" on the dial pad, or fax your complaint to (916) 263-2197.

You know I will be giving them an ear full. :furious2:



Also, please post the above information on any other boxing forum that you may visit. ;D

I am going to write them Diane to urge the Commission for compassion and understanding for a first offense.

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Originally Posted by Diane

I would like to encourage everyone to let the commission know that they should permanently revoke Margacheato's license.

They don't have an email address, but there's three ways you can file a complaint.

First you can submit one in writing to the below address.

California State Athletic Commission
2005 Evergreen Street, Suite 2010
Sacramento, CA 95815
Attn: Complaint Administrator

Or you can call (916) 263-2195 and press "8" on the dial pad, or fax your complaint to (916) 263-2197.

You know I will be giving them an ear full. :furious2:



Also, please post the above information on any other boxing forum that you may visit. ;D

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Actuallly I want for Cotto to beat the shit out of him first.

I think the one year suspension is just,and should be honored...no fighting in Mexico either.Cannot get in his head,dont have a crystal ball and I dont know what he knew or did not know.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I am going to write them Diane to urge the Commission for compassion and understanding for a first offense.

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You would. :shakehead:

Would you be so compassionate if it was any other fighter? I doubt it. Especially, if someone used loaded wraps against Margacheato.

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Originally Posted by Diane

I would like to encourage everyone to let the commission know that they should permanently revoke Margacheato's license.

They don't have an email address, but there's three ways you can file a complaint.

First you can submit one in writing to the below address.

California State Athletic Commission
2005 Evergreen Street, Suite 2010
Sacramento, CA 95815
Attn: Complaint Administrator

Or you can call (916) 263-2195 and press "8" on the dial pad, or fax your complaint to (916) 263-2197.

You know I will be giving them an ear full. :furious2:



Also, please post the above information on any other boxing forum that you may visit. ;D

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Actuallly I want for Cotto to beat the shit out of him first.

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When Miguel gets thru with Margacheater, there will be nothing left of him. I can't wait for the rematch and the redemption that will come with it. Cotto will stop Margapuzzy in 5 rounds. With out the plaster, Margaputo is nothing more than a human punching bag and hits no harder than Malignaggi. I wonder how many excuses Arum, Margarito and team Margarita will come up with as to why the rematch should not take place. ;D

Clearly,we need more Pacquiao threads :-X

I think he did use the wraps vs. Cotto.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I think he did use the wraps vs. Cotto.

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So do I mate, the damage to Cotto's face was immense when you take into consideration the amount of punches he took. As soon as he got hit by Margo he looked in pain and in trouble.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

I am going to write them Diane to urge the Commission for compassion and understanding for a first offense.

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Yeah, afterall they were placed there by accident:p

Come on! You have to be pulling my pisser?

Danny, booze I removed both posts because.
Well they were out of place.
Booze yours not so much but theirs no need for that here.

You guys want some time alone go to the other boards or meet up online through a web chat. ;)

He and his trainer should be banned for life at the very least. This is not merely unsportsmanlike or just a violation. This is not merely cheating...this is CRIMINAL! Risking unsuspecting opponent's health and lives. If not incarcerated they should be banned for life.

It's pre meditaited , how can you accidently put plaster uder your wraps !
Magarito should never fight in the States again or anywhere else I just wish there was tighter restrictions on this kinda thing , he must've done this before !
Just sick ,it counts as an offensive weapon , before he has his liecense reinstated ( he will ) he should be made to do a lie detector and asked some serious questions
Nazim also pulled up Tito's old man before Tito fought Hopkins although that was more to do with how Tito had had his hands bandaged and illiegal use of tape,but plaster ?
Tito Blew out the normally durable French Algerian 'Hacine Cherifi in 4 and was the 1st to stop Mayorga after that whilst having his throroughly inspected.
Be interesting to see how effective Magarito is coming back , he'll probably comeback as a middleweight fight somebody his own size and get exposed .

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Clearly,we need more Pacquiao threads :-X

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I'm totally confused here... Sometime ago you blasted those who keeps on starting PAC threads... Now you're asking for more PAC threads... :confused:

;D :-X

Well if were going to say he used in the Cotto fight then guess we got to assume that its been used in Clotty and Willaims as well. So the question i have is how dangrous is the substance and how much more does it add. How much was used in the gloves because it had exterme effect on Cotto but not so much on the likes of Willaims and Clotty that whats confusing. I dont think Margarito is going to be baned for life for few reasons. Reason being he did not use it in the fight they took them away. Then there is no proof of him using it in other fights because it has been cleared. Also Youngblood is there is anything else on the report i can read because i think read in your post that there was more i like to see it because i cant seem to find anything else. Now i not saying what he did was right i just like some more information before a life ban.

I know this isn't going to be popular but

What does this mean

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Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements

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Does that mean he had a tiny bit of plaster element in his wraps if so is this that bad I mean its not like hand wraps are pillows I don't know if any of you have felt a wrapped hand it doesn't tickle how much of a difference would it actually make to have "plaster elements" in your wraps it hardly sounds like Luis Resto

I want to know what if any advantage was made but from everything I have seen so far I see no reason for any ban

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Originally Posted by sonny78

I know this isn't going to be popular but

What does this mean

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Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements

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Does that mean he had a tiny bit of plaster element in his wraps if so is this that bad I mean its not like hand wraps are pillows I don't know if any of you have felt a wrapped hand it doesn't tickle how much of a difference would it actually make to have "plaster elements" in your wraps it hardly sounds like Luis Resto

I want to know what if any advantage was made but from everything I have seen so far I see no reason for any ban

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I disagree here for many reasons and there, it comes from somebody who really liked Margarito:

1) a cheat is a cheat, no matter the "size" of it and in that case, it was a manifest crime: it's like if you would say that a guy shouldn't have a criminal record because he tried to kill somebody else only with a small knife and not a katana, therefore the risks were "lesser".

2) They've taken 2 full stripes in each gloves from what I've seen, and from what I've heard, it was covering the full region that's used to "hit" on the knuckles, you don't need much more to stun somebody to the milky way, just like a brass knuckle, you don't need to cover your whole fist to make it efficient, it's even more effective that hands that would be fully covered with plaster as your hands hit harder and are a lot lighter.

3) I hate the argument that says "he didn't know, he didn't know". Sure, a Boxer trust his "taper boy" and might not look at every instant when the guy does his job, I believe that. HOWEVER, nobody will make me believe that a conscious cornerman will decide all of a sudden: "humm well, I could put plaster in his wrappings and not advise him about that, why not?" I just can't see that happening seriously, especially when the guy is a world's champion.

4) the cornerman's excuse is: "oh it was my fault, I just ranged for the wrong bandage in my bag, it's a mistake:.... Well, why would you bring Paris plaster in a cornerman's gear? you're not at the hospital here, you're on a fuck** ring!!! There is no reasons why he would, strangely enough, carry that in his bag. Second, plaster needs to be wet to start hardening.... it takes the helluva of a coincidence to put Paris plaster instead of normal gauze AND... accidentally wet it... on both hands.... only 2 stripes on the joints/knuckles.

Sorry but I really need some strong arguments to believe into what I will dare to call bullshit. The guy risked somebody else's life, sure he got caught before the fight occur and I am highly pleased to know that Sugar Shane wasn't hurt by that, I don't see how he should be lessened from a life ban after such risk was deliberately taken. the intentions are often as guilty as the act, when the hands are plastered and ready to go, we can, I think, safely assume that the guy had no "coming back" on his mind.

ps: oh, I also think that a boxer should be responsible for what his cornerman are doing to his glove no matter how, that's his entire responsibility, if he chooses not to look them work, that's his right but also his problem if something goes wrong with it. But still, despite that, i will never believe he didn't know his "taper boy" plastered his hands.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Clearly,we need more Pacquiao threads :-X

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I'm totally confused here... Sometime ago you blasted those who keeps on starting PAC threads... Now you're asking for more PAC threads... :confused:

;D :-X

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It's called sarcasm. :vd:

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Originally Posted by sonny78

I know this isn't going to be popular but

What does this mean

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Margarito's hand wraps contained plaster elements

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Does that mean he had a tiny bit of plaster element in his wraps if so is this that bad I mean its not like hand wraps are pillows I don't know if any of you have felt a wrapped hand it doesn't tickle how much of a difference would it actually make to have "plaster elements" in your wraps it hardly sounds like Luis Resto

I want to know what if any advantage was made but from everything I have seen so far I see no reason for any ban

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I agree, I can't stand the bastard to be honest, & if he did use it then I hope he's banned for life. BUT, and I do say this as someone who was delighted as Shane KO'd him, the people in charge continue to use ambiguous terminology when describing what was in the wraps. In addition, there are a number of other components that go into plaster, & Calcium is in baby powder in very high amounts for example. Yet again there's an announcement, that to me actually says sweet fuck all. How is it nearly 3 months later they are still not giving definitive accounts of what was in there? It's either plaster or it isn't, it cannot take that long to test, & then to only come back with 'contains elements of plaster'. These guys need to sort this shit out

To be honest with you, I don't think he used them until after he lost to Williams. Margacheato fuked up his chances for a fight against Cotto twice by taking the fight with Williams. First, he was supposed to fight Cotto, but once he found out that he had to give up his title if he didn't fight Williams, he took the Williams fight instead of fighting Cotto. Cotto went on to fight Judah. Fine, he took the Williams fight, but the agreement was that he needed to beat Williams in order to fight Cotto in November, guess what, he lost, and the fight went to Mosley. Margacheato and his camp got desperate, because they knew that his time was running out, and that he had to win big in order for him to get his big money shot. First up, Golden Johnson, TKO in the 3rd round. Next, Kermit Cintron, TKO in the 5th round, and then Cotto, and well, you don't have to be a genius to see the effects loaded wraps had on him.

And yeah, yeah, I know, the Nevada Commission cleared him. Please, they came out and cleared him 2 days after the Mosley fight. Some thorough investigation that was. And of course it will be hard to prove that he had them in those fights, the wraps are long gone, and you think that anyone will admit that they weren't doing their job, and could have allowed that to get by them. Please. Use common sense, and get your head out of the sand. Read around the sites people, those in the industry feel that he used them against Cotto. Did anyone not hear Dan Rafael say on national TV that he, and everyone he talks to in the industry believes he used loaded wraps in the Cotto fight.

And the "oh, he didn't know" crap. Again, please, the man has been in the pros for 15 years, you're going to sit there and try to tell me that he doesn't know what's in his wraps? You're going to tell me that he won't feel the wetness through gauze? You're going to tell me that he couldn't feel a difference? Geez, when you get a pebble in your shoe, don't tell me you don't feel it?

Look, it's no secret that Margacheato felt like the ugly step child, next to Cotto in the publics and Top Ranks eye, and he wanted that attention so bad, those big money fights so bad, that he did the unthinkable to obtain it.

And yes, he deserves no less than a lifetime ban from boxing. Him and his trainer are a disgrace to this sport that I love. They didn't care that they could have permanently injured another human being, thus ending their career, much less they could have killed another human being. To make things worse, they show absolutely NO remorse for what they have done.

I was a Margacheato fan, and now I am truly disgusted with him, and I can honestly say that I am sick to my stomach over this.

This is not surprising at all, honestly I think there was a bit of denial going around , there was a reason they immediately suspended him

and I think its wishful thinking to think he just started doing it against Mosley but that obviously can't be proven.

A lifetime ban would be fine, he'd find places to fight though.

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1) a cheat is a cheat, no matter the "size" of it and in that case, it was a manifest crime: it's like if you would say that a guy shouldn't have a criminal record because he tried to kill somebody else only with a small knife and not a katana, therefore the risks were "lesser".

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Head-butts, Low blows, hitting after the bell, biting someone's f**king ear off all cheating all dangerous all with punishments none attract the lifetime ban some you are after for Margaritos cheating

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2) They've taken 2 full stripes in each gloves from what I've seen, and from what I've heard, it was covering the full region that's used to "hit" on the knuckles, you don't need much more to stun somebody to the milky way, just like a brass knuckle, you don't need to cover your whole fist to make it efficient, it's even more effective that hands that would be fully covered with plaster as your hands hit harder and are a lot lighter.

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Are you off your F**king Meds!! where are these "brass knuckles" no one has shown anything this is my point and why I am getting pissed off no one has seen anything if he had taken out the padding and had plaster wrapped hands then hang the C**T but its not the case all they have said so far is that there are "elements of plaster"

So fucking what its not lead had wraps are fucking solid how much of a difference does this make this is all I want to know before they ban a great fighter for life

For the record I like Cotto and I wanted him to win that fight but he got his arse handed to him because of lack of stamina and punch power, nothing to do with wraps I also wanted to Mosley to win he did and I don't think from what I have seen the wraps would have made any difference

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A lifetime ban would be fine, he'd find places to fight though.

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For example, and yes I am quoting myself, Capatillo just was in the corner of Segura in the rematch with Canchilla a couple weeks ago.

Margarito is pathetic. You cant trust any of his wins now.

The only fight that we know for sure that he did not have loaded wraps was his fight with Mosely.

I think this type of cheating deserves a lifetime ban.

I am 100% convinced that he used the wraps against Cotto as well, it was extremely irresponsible what he did to show 0 for his opponents. I hope he gets his do punishment

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Margarito is pathetic. You cant trust any of his wins now.

The only fight that we know for sure that he did not have loaded wraps was his fight with Mosely.

I think this type of cheating deserves a lifetime ban.

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Has anyone actually seen these "loaded" wraps did they drop on the floor and break the concrete! NO because so far all they have found is elements of f**king plaster "elements" what the F**K does that mean

How can we scream ban the fighter before we know what that means and see the proof

For me if they have had these wraps for weeks and all they have found is elements of plaster, it cant have been that bad if it was solid plaster pictures would be all over the place by now

This whole incident seams bullshit to me driven by Cotto fans who cant get over the fact there boy lost

Why would there be elements of plaster of paris inside the wrap?

Was the State Commission made up purely of Cotto fans?

Well , that is an a great Deception for the most of fans in Sport of Boxing , we as a fans cant allow this kind of action , i know that there are a lot of fans that are really disappointed or deception of this " Criminal " , cause i cant say his name anymore , but also might have some fans that don't believe this yet , i suggest to them that open their minds .....

To me this " Criminal " have to be condemned and banned from Sport of Boxing ...............:mad:

"A Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer reported calcium and sulfur were discovered, noting the elements make plaster of Paris with the addition of oxygen"

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I am 100% convinced that he used the wraps against Cotto as well, it was extremely irresponsible what he did to show 0 for his opponents. I hope he gets his do punishment

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You are a REALISTIC person bro.........

I really Respect that..................;)

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

"A Department of Justice senior criminalist who inspected the wrappings under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer reported calcium and sulfur were discovered, noting the elements make plaster of Paris with the addition of oxygen"

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So to find anything they had to look under stereomicroscope and X-ray flourescence spectrometer

Its hardly resin and broken glass (see end of kickboxer )

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Margarito is pathetic. You cant trust any of his wins now.

The only fight that we know for sure that he did not have loaded wraps was his fight with Mosely.

I think this type of cheating deserves a lifetime ban.

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Has anyone actually seen these "loaded" wraps did they drop on the floor and break the concrete! NO because so far all they have found is elements of f**king plaster "elements" what the F**K does that mean

How can we scream ban the fighter before we know what that means and see the proof

For me if they have had these wraps for weeks and all they have found is elements of plaster, it cant have been that bad if it was solid plaster pictures would be all over the place by now

This whole incident seams bullshit to me driven by Cotto fans who cant get over the fact there boy lost

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Have you not read anything about what happened that night? Hell yes, people have seen the loaded pads. Here is what Richardson said about it.


RT-What about this plaster of Paris, or this powder they put on the hand wraps? When did all of this come into play?

NR-Some of that was people trying to take this in another direction. What happened was he had cushions that he put on his knuckles as they’re wrapping his hands. They had this on one hand already. The Commissioner checked him, but I didn’t see them (wrap the first hand). So, I asked them, I want to check that cushion. And they allowed me to check the cushion and I said, this is pretty hard. So, I asked the Deputy Commissioner to feel it, I said this is hard. He said it, "Feels alright to me." Well I said it doesn’t feel right to me. So I went to the Commissioner, he came in and checked it and said, "It’s pretty hard." Then they peeled it open and down the middle he had a square block of old gauze wrapped with plaster on it. When I took it out and let the Dr. see it he said, “This is the same stuff we use in hospitals to make casts.”

RT-Right then and there, he probably should have been arrested by the Police, let alone be allowed to go out and fight. Don’t you think?

NR-I told them I want the other hand unwrapped. They (Commission) said, “We approved this hand already. I said, so we’re supposed to wait until the fight is over and we check the hand and find out what’s on it? So the Commissioner says, “You’re right,” and they unwrapped the other hand and found another block. I refused to give the blocks to the Commissioner, I called Shane Mosley’s lawyer (Judd Burstein). So, his lawyer came over and I gave them to his lawyer because I didn’t know what the procedure was then, but I felt the same way (that the Police should have been called). I said, this sport of ours is dangerous enough when you follow the rules. Go outside the rules and it can be fatal.

The way they’re in the padding, the impact on the gloves as the rounds go on would get you closer to the plaster. So, later you would be punching harder than you were actually punching earlier.

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Well , that is an a great Deception for the most of fans in Sport of Boxing , we as a fans cant allow this kind of action , i know that there are a lot of fans that are really disappointed or deception of this " Criminal " , cause i cant say his name anymore , but also might have some fans that don't believe this yet , i suggest to them that open their minds .....

To me this " Criminal " have to be condemned and banned from Sport of Boxing ...............:mad:

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You go on like he raped your mum

until we have seen any evidence and know how damaging the wraps were how can you ban him