MAB speaks out on Margarito "Plaster-gate"

An article by none other than Marco Antonio Barrera appeared in a local newspaper today. Apparently it was reprinted from ESPNdeportes.com. Although the article is in Spanish, I'll translate a couple of sections:

"The punishment for my fellow boxer, and I say this with great pain, should be at the international level, not only in the state of California."

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"It is now being said that in Mexico there will be support so that Margarito does not lose his relevance and continues fighting. I think the boxing commissions should join in supporting the punishment given in California, since in Mexico they are not as strict, and a serious incident could occur if his (Margarito's) wrongful deed is repeated."

A little rough around the edges (the translation), but that's the main jist. So basically, it's not only bitter Cotto fans that support Margarito getting suspended from boxing. Barrera's always been one of my favorite Mexican fighters (especially after he humiliated Naseem Hamed), and I've always viewed him as a classy, no-nonsense, dedicated fighter. If he says that about a fellow Mexican fighter, to me is carries some weight.

I read about this earlier, and I am happy that Marco knows the seriousness of what Margacheato and Capetillo did.

I do want to point out though, it's not just Cotto fans calling for this. On other forums, guys that were huge Margacheato fans, have turned their backs on him, and wish for his permanent ban from boxing.

I can also tell you that I have read many articles from the boxing media world, that is calling for the same thing. They all say that they were fans of that cheat, but feel that he needs to be punished severely, some even calling for criminal charges.

Here's a recap of what Marco said, in English.

Barrera Turns His Back on Margarito, Calls For Global Ban - Boxing News

No plaster, but Barrera's wraps were illegal too.

Freddie Roach explaining Barrera's illegal handwraps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOtBMqn8mTA

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Forgive me if I don't put a lot of stock into what Roach says about anything. Hell... he looks slightly drunk anyway.

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Barrera is a smart man and I'm glad he has spoken about it. What Margarito was involved with wasn't just cheating, it was an open willingness to inflict GBH upon other people. Boxing is a tough enough sport as it is, without shit like loading of the gloves. Margarito should not be able to fight in Mexico IMO, and people should certainly not pay to watch it. Margarito needs it made clear that what he did was criminal. Being able to fight in Mexico would be almost like no punishment has been dished out at all.

More pros,managers etc need to be open and make comments on this one, others sports where you are caught cheating don't impose a local ban, it's at least national or in most cases international. he's lucky no one has been mentioning possible criminal charges (or have they ?) As Miles says it's a hard enough sport without risking your life further to a cheat, I have deleted his fights from my hard drive now as they no longer impress me as i don't know if any are real results.

Well he went to law school right? Unless Margarito hires him as his lawyer I don't think he will defend him even if he's a Mexican.

I used to be a big Margarito fan and supporter. But that changed instantly when I heard the news before the Mosley fight. I can not and will not support someone who does such a vicious criminal act as loading your wraps with plaster. That is 100% inhumane. No human should even consider taking this lightly and the ones who do are only being bias at all costs. What is there to even argue? He needs banned for life. He already made out anyway by making millions. The least he should get is lifetime banishment.

Here's Pac's thoughts on the subject.


FIGHTHYPE \\ MANNY PACQUIAO: "IT'S UP TO MARGARITO TO STAY OUT OF BOXING"

Plasergate! I like that. It has a nice (bang) sound to it! :foruml10gc5::foruml10gc5::foruml10gc5: :deadnew: :shocking:

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More pros,managers etc need to be open and make comments on this one, others sports where you are caught cheating don't impose a local ban, it's at least national or in most cases international. he's lucky no one has been mentioning possible criminal charges (or have they ?) As Miles says it's a hard enough sport without risking your life further to a cheat, I have deleted his fights from my hard drive now as they no longer impress me as i don't know if any are real results.

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Absolutely. I hate how a lot of these athletes play it safe and withhold comments that can really shake things up just for the sake of not breaking some sort of useless "code." Speak up, and call someone out if you need to.

No fighter should condone what Margarito did. It's unforgivable. Not unless he admits it, apologize, and fully accept the consequence. He should do time imo.

I don't want Margarito permanently banned, if anything I want his return to come around sooner! :o

Before I get flamed down the only reason I want this is out of curiosity. Is Tony as good as we thought? Can he beat Cotto again? Obviously every fight on his record is now questionable. I want him to come back so I can see if he can be as menacing with legal wraps! For all we know Maragrito could grind Cotto down into submission all over again, if they banned him forever we'd never know if that was possible!

Obviously from a moral standpoint I'm with everybody else, it's just out of my own curiosity that wants me to see him fight again!

I hear Margarito will enter the ring on his return to the KISS song 'Plaster Caster' ;D

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

No plaster, but Barrera's wraps were illegal too.

Freddie Roach explaining Barrera's illegal handwraps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOtBMqn8mTA

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Once again Roach talking shit.

Roach & Team mab also had a minor falling out when Khan was over. I came to the conclusion he only pulls this crap to try and get in fighters heads. Someone should suckerpunch his bobblehead.

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No fighter should condone what Margarito did. It's unforgivable. Not unless he admits it, apologize, and fully accept the consequence. He should do time imo.

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I read this story yesterday.

I think there has been an element of people standing by Margarito before the verdict/findings came out.

What (some) people have made a deal over is that a Mexican is speaking out against a fellow Mexican.

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No fighter should condone what Margarito did. It's unforgivable. Not unless he admits it, apologize, and fully accept the consequence. He should do time imo.

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I read this story yesterday.

I think there has been an element of people standing by Margarito before the verdict/findings came out.

What (some) people have made a deal over is that a Mexican is speaking out against a fellow Mexican.

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I think the deal in this forum as well is that people like Cotto very much so the fact that Margarito beat Cotto the way he did and even though he WAS CLEARED for that fight people still will throw crap at him no matter what. If Margarito fought Mayweather or ODLH instead of Cotto and beat them the same way and later was caught vs Mosley, I wonder if people would make a big deal out of it and come up with all these countless topics about his wraps, making fun of him, etc.

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No fighter should condone what Margarito did. It's unforgivable. Not unless he admits it, apologize, and fully accept the consequence. He should do time imo.

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I read this story yesterday.

I think there has been an element of people standing by Margarito before the verdict/findings came out.

What (some) people have made a deal over is that a Mexican is speaking out against a fellow Mexican.

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I think the deal in this forum as well is that people like Cotto very much so the fact that Margarito beat Cotto the way he did and even though he WAS CLEARED for that fight people still will throw crap at him no matter what. If Margarito fought Mayweather or ODLH instead of Cotto and beat them the same way and later was caught vs Mosley, I wonder if people would make a big deal out of it and come up with all these countless topics about his wraps, making fun of him, etc.

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You know... just out of curiousity... how exactly do you "clear" a Margarito for the Cotto fight? Not wanting to start World War III here... just want to know. Think about it. It wasn't even an issue during or after the Cotto fight. How exactly do you "clear" a cheating fighter from his previous fight? Did the wraps from THAT fight get dredged up from the garbage dump and examined the way THESE wraps were? And if not, then how exactly do you "clear" Margarito from cheating in the Cotto fight? I'm just curious. I don't know... maybe I'm going out on a limb here. But if he was gonna do it for the Mosley fight, until he got caught, that is... isn't there just the SLIGHTEST possibility he may have gotten away with it for the Cotto fight, and who knows how many others before it?

Just curious.

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Good point Tito but if we assume he used in Cotto fight then i guess he must of used it in the Clotty, Cintron and Williams fight also right. Which brings me to the point you heard me say it a million times Tito and that is how effect are they really because the results have varyed some. Now i and i am not saying he should not be banned he did cheat but atfer the year is up i while not mind him coming back because he did his time which if he serves i while not have a problem with him at all.

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Good point Tito but if we assume he used in Cotto fight then i guess he must of used it in the Clotty, Cintron and Williams fight also right. Which brings me to the point you heard me say it a million times Tito and that is how effect are they really because the results have varyed some. Now i and i am not saying he should not be banned he did cheat but atfer the year is up i while not mind him coming back because he did his time which if he serves i while not have a problem with him at all.

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Not necessarily. It's highly unlikely it's been a career-long thing. He may have first used it for the Cotto fight, who knows. My point is that I don't see how you can "clear" someone, when the evidence, or lack of, is long gone with the garbage trucks.

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Good point Tito but if we assume he used in Cotto fight then i guess he must of used it in the Clotty, Cintron and Williams fight also right. Which brings me to the point you heard me say it a million times Tito and that is how effect are they really because the results have varyed some. Now i and i am not saying he should not be banned he did cheat but atfer the year is up i while not mind him coming back because he did his time which if he serves i while not have a problem with him at all.

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Not necessarily. It's highly unlikely it's been a career-long thing. He may have first used it for the Cotto fight, who knows. My point is that I don't see how you can "clear" someone, when the evidence, or lack of, is long gone with the garbage trucks.

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Exactly. Plus does anybody really think that the inspector that was appointed by the commission to watch the hand wrapping, is going to admit that he could have missed it. Hell no, he won't admit that he could have fuked up, when it's way to late to be able to check the wraps.

The State of Nevada Athletic Commission came out and cleared him, just 2 days after the Mosley/Margarito fight. That's some thorough investigation that they did there. :vd:



Just thought I would throw this in. Here is Dan Rafael's thoughts on the situation.

It's a wrap for Margarito and Capetillo - ESPN

But at the same time there no proof that he did tell you truth. I dont think he used it in the Cotto fight tell you truth Cotto has always been prone to cuts and his chin and stamina at the end of fights arent to great. Reason i think he used it with Mosley is because Mosley chin is grant and he is a strong finisher so to me it would make sense would it not. Anyhow i while never know how many times Margarito used it your guess it as good as mine but i not going to pick in choose what fights he used it in though.

Also Tito question people saying that Cotto was first time Margarito used plaster in his hand wraps. But then those same people say there is no way it was his first time Maragrito used it against Mosley that just sounds like they are using a double standard because there no proof behind it at all. To me it is Margarito first time or he has been doing it for a while now. And there really nothing i have seen that would make me think of any differently tell you the truth.

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I read this story yesterday.

I think there has been an element of people standing by Margarito before the verdict/findings came out.

What (some) people have made a deal over is that a Mexican is speaking out against a fellow Mexican.

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I think the deal in this forum as well is that people like Cotto very much so the fact that Margarito beat Cotto the way he did and even though he WAS CLEARED for that fight people still will throw crap at him no matter what. If Margarito fought Mayweather or ODLH instead of Cotto and beat them the same way and later was caught vs Mosley, I wonder if people would make a big deal out of it and come up with all these countless topics about his wraps, making fun of him, etc.

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You know... just out of curiousity... how exactly do you "clear" a Margarito for the Cotto fight? Not wanting to start World War III here... just want to know. Think about it. It wasn't even an issue during or after the Cotto fight. How exactly do you "clear" a cheating fighter from his previous fight? Did the wraps from THAT fight get dredged up from the garbage dump and examined the way THESE wraps were? And if not, then how exactly do you "clear" Margarito from cheating in the Cotto fight? I'm just curious. I don't know... maybe I'm going out on a limb here. But if he was gonna do it for the Mosley fight, until he got caught, that is...

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Nope, no need for III World War but someone even started a thread and shared links to different sites that had these articles talking about how Margarito was cleared from the Cotto fight after it. Would be interesting to pull those links back and see how it was. I would agree with you, I mean, they would have to go back in time and check his wraps. But those articles said he was cleared however they did it.

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isn't there just the SLIGHTEST possibility he may have gotten away with it for the Cotto fight, and who knows how many others before it?

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I'll say so. After being caught, his past victories are now questionable. But then again, isn't there the SLIGHTEST possibility that he didn't cheat vs Cotto?

Like I have said before, I am not sure if people would really make a big drama if he was defeated by Cotto and then caught cheating before the Mosley fight. I wonder if Margarito beat the forum's hated Mayweather and ODLH before the Mosley fight, would people really complain and come up with more than 10 threads a week about Margarito being so bad? I can imagine seeing a drastic change in attitudes if it was not Cotto who Margarito beat and later found cheating vs Mosley.

not sure what you're pushing here chino. It's like looking for God. No evidence but people are going to believe whatever they want. If people want to believe he cheated because of the way he eventually got to Cotto then that's up to them but I can't convict someone on that.

It's true people will question his previous victories but damn what were those commission officials and opposing fighters representatives doing to miss it? It seems they only got caught out because the gauze pads looked used. :confused:

You guys know I'm a big Margarito fan. Seen him fight live, had ringside level seats. For years I fought for him, against the Mayweather fans, .... my sad click ratio could attest to that. Newbies won't know what I'm talkin' about there. ;D


But the news, from the first time I heard it. in the first round fighting Shane Mosley. It hurt me. I know what damage can be done from this awful act.


I can't believe he did it.
All this time too. He just had to have done it more than once.

Who give a #*^~ what MAB says about Margarito, he doesnt like fighters from TJ like Erik and Tony so he should stick with the D.F. crowd and keep shut. Erik should kick his ass again.

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Who give a #*^~ what MAB says about Margarito, he doesnt like fighters from TJ like Erik and Tony so he should stick with the D.F. crowd and keep shut. Erik should kick his ass again.

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Is that because TJ is full of americans and whores?
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again?:confused:

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Who give a #*^~ what MAB says about Margarito, he doesnt like fighters from TJ like Erik and Tony so he should stick with the D.F. crowd and keep shut. Erik should kick his ass again.

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Is that because TJ is full of americans and whores?
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again?:confused:

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More like full of mafia and cartels where a wrong turn can get you beheaded.

Chicali

Barrera speaks for all Mexicans because he is the greatest of them all. His opinion is the most important

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Chicali

Barrera speaks for all Mexicans because he is the greatest of them all. His opinion is the most important

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I, like other fellow Mexicans, lost respect for him when he called Erik Morales an uneducated filthy little indian and then sucker punched him @ the press conference. He thinks he's a high class Mexican or something. If anything, he's just as much a little indian or more so than Morales. He has no law degree, left Golden Boy, and has been beaten bad lately. Anyway, his comments arent & shouldnt be that much of importance, he doesnt represent all Mexicans, maybe those from Mexico City, D.F. but not all the country.

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Chicali

Barrera speaks for all Mexicans because he is the greatest of them all. His opinion is the most important

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I, like other fellow Mexicans, lost respect for him when he called Erik Morales an uneducated filthy little indian and then sucker punched him @ the press conference. He thinks he's a high class Mexican or something. If anything, he's just as much a little indian or more so than Morales. He has no law degree, left Golden Boy, and has been beaten bad lately. Anyway, his comments arent & shouldnt be that much of importance, he doesnt represent all Mexicans, maybe those from Mexico City, D.F. but not all the country.

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It's interesting to read the opinions of a Mexican with regards to Barrera and Morales. Not knowing the full history behind their feud, I've always sympathized more with Barrera, 'cause I saw after one of their fights where Barrera tried a friendly gesture and instead got rebuffed rudely by Morales. But again, I don't know the full history. Aside from that, I've always viewed Barrera as classy in and out of the ring, and he won my everlasting appreciation when he bullied and humiliated the HATED Nassem Hamed, much to my delight. The times I've seen Morales speak, he seems full of anger and hate. Again... perception.

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Is that because TJ is full of americans and whores?
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More like full of mafia and cartels where a wrong turn can get you beheaded.

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popular place. :cool:

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Chicali

Barrera speaks for all Mexicans because he is the greatest of them all. His opinion is the most important

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I, like other fellow Mexicans, lost respect for him when he called Erik Morales an uneducated filthy little indian and then sucker punched him @ the press conference. He thinks he's a high class Mexican or something. If anything, he's just as much a little indian or more so than Morales. He has no law degree, left Golden Boy, and has been beaten bad lately. Anyway, his comments arent & shouldnt be that much of importance, he doesnt represent all Mexicans, maybe those from Mexico City, D.F. but not all the country.

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Maybe Morales should have stopped calling him a fag and he wouldn't have got smacked in the mouth.

Did you approve of him bitch slapping Kennedy Mckinney?

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Chicali

Barrera speaks for all Mexicans because he is the greatest of them all. His opinion is the most important

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Kinda patronising speaking on 'behalf of all Mexicans' when you're a Brit, Game. I've always preferred Barrera to Morales, he always seemed the more decent guy to me, thought he won all 3 fights, & loved when he won the decider after Morales threw the bottle at him after he'd talked shit in the build-up. Still, I'm not from the country and don't know the ins & outs of how they feel about him there. It certainly seems true that he is less beloved in his homeland than other (possibly inferior) fighters, and there must be a reason for this.

jeees, GAME is doing his MAB thing;)



The sheer weirdness of countries. Look at the fights he gave people and the lack of respect (by some he's given). :confused:

Not had to work up from the gutter like 'other' Mexican fighters. Why did Oscar play down his somewhat more middleclass roots in favour of acting more blue collar? :cool: He was hated enough for beating Chavez.


I've never fallen in to the working class hero myth here or in other countries. It smacks of ignorance and a glorification of the gutter. Yeah being poor is so great.:rolleyes:

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jeees, GAME is doing his MAB thing;)



The sheer weirdness of countries. Look at the fights he gave people and the lack of respect (by some he's given). :confused:

Not had to work up from the gutter like 'other' Mexican fighters. Why did Oscar play down his somewhat more middleclass roots in favour of acting more blue collar? :cool: He was hated enough for beating Chavez.


I've never fallen in to the working class hero myth here or in other countries. It smacks of ignorance and a glorification of the gutter. Yeah being poor is so great.:rolleyes:

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I agree, I think its just the adversity gives the average person (particularly in a country like Mexico) something they can identify with. I think MAB is the greater fighter, but I don't speak for the people of Mexico. One thing I do find strange is how they go on about Kelly Pavlik's 'working class hero' roots as if all other boxers are raised in Bel-Air or Hampstead. Particularly when he was up against Hopkins they kept going on about it, & I thought where would you rather grow up, Youngstown, which is economically depressed, but a seemingly together little town, or the ghettos of Philladelphia, which are the crime & murder capitals of the US? Hmmmm... :rolleyes:

I think the point is NOT being poor is so great ;)

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jeees, GAME is doing his MAB thing;)



The sheer weirdness of countries. Look at the fights he gave people and the lack of respect (by some he's given). :confused:

Not had to work up from the gutter like 'other' Mexican fighters. Why did Oscar play down his somewhat more middleclass roots in favour of acting more blue collar? :cool: He was hated enough for beating Chavez.


I've never fallen in to the working class hero myth here or in other countries. It smacks of ignorance and a glorification of the gutter. Yeah being poor is so great.:rolleyes:

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An upper-class individual wouldnt have to take on boxing as a career, so yes, most boxers do come up from living in tough neighborhoods barrios and ghettos. Even Barrera didnt grow up wealthy, he's had to earn it through boxing.

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Forgive me if I don't put a lot of stock into what Roach says about anything. Hell... he looks slightly drunk anyway.

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Freddie is one of the best ever boxing trainers He has more boxing knowledge in his pinky finger that you'll ever possess in a lifetime. How Freddie still trains every day when he suffers from the debilitating Parkinsons syndrome