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When leftylee sees this he is going to go ape shiet. Good thing he self banned himself because he could not handle the heat against the Pac fans :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Oh he's banned?
LOL!!! I think that is funny as hell and very close to the truth. Vlad knocks out Haye in 2.
He asked Saddo to ban him because he was getting very angry at the PacMan fans ;D His ban is lifted next week me thinks :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Wlad by KO
Fuck me, that's a first "Ban me please"Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_GHe asked Saddo to ban him because he was getting very angry at the PacMan fans ;D His ban is lifted next week me thinks :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Funny though heheh
I personally don't see it. Haye will Knock him out. Wlad is the worst excuse I've ever seen for a Heavyweight Champion of the world. If Haye was fighting Vitali, I'd agree with you. But the Haye hype train will continue after this fight.
in true clubber lang style...............
PAIN
I like both of them, but I just don't see how Haye will effectively get around that jab, if anyone can it will be him, thats why I am so excited for this, Wlad could really make it boring if his jab is too quick for Haye to counter over, but if not then maybe Haye can pull off the upset, I think his defensive skills are extremely underrated, and that there is a chance that he could pull this off.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
OK Haye can go about this a couple of ways...
#1 Haye can try and pounce on Wlad early in which case he may KO Wladimir OR tucker himself out and just get battered for as long as Wlad wants to keep him around.
#2 Haye can try and box with Wladimir and just eat jabs until either Wladimir tires out and Haye KO's him or Wladimir just hammers Haye and David never even wins a round.
#3 Haye is indecisive on whether he should attack or lay back and in that case there is either a clash of heads, Wlad is caught off guard and KO'd, or Haye is just obliterated by Wladimir's power as Haye's chin has NEVER been tested by a heavyweight of note.
I think with Manny Steward in his corner and his psyche in very good shape I see Wladimir being cautious of Haye's power meanwhile landing meaningful and PAINFUL punches which will wear Haye down and stop him in 5-7 rounds.
I have been equal in my view, as equal as I can be...I have listed the ways in which either fighter can win or lose the match. I support Wladimir, I think he's too big, too skilled, and too experienced to be beaten by David Haye....I have been wrong before but this fight IMO is the begining of the end of David Haye
LMAO That was funny great job!
I agree with that. I'm not a fan of David Haye or Wlad, but I will be rooting for David Haye, but I can see this happning exactly as you are saying. I think Haye will start getting frustrated after eating jabs for 4 rounds and he will come into the danger zone and Wlad will land a couple of right hands and that will be it for David Haye. Just another fighter knocked out by Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Here's the part everyone seems to forget. The reason wladdys jab seems so effective is because if anyone tries to counter him or even attack first, he's just gonna hold them to death. He knew he probably wouldn't get away with it in England so he forced the fight to one of his home turfs where he can do as he likes.
Hopefully Haye can overcome that with speed and knock his scared ass out.
Hilarious stuff though Danny
scared? :-\ he's taken on bigger threats than David Haye, and if you're gonna talk about huggers hell he's no Ruiz, and hugging isn't banned in England look at every other Hatton fight :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
David Haye isn't even the best Cruiserweight out there much less the best Heavy, he's not gonna be the best name on Wlad's record at all
some of Wlad's wins
Monte Barret (23-1) TKO 7
Chris Byrd (31-1) UD 12
Francois Botha (44-3-1) TKO 8
Ray Mercer (30-4-1) TKO 6
Jameel McCline (28-2-3) TKO 10
DaVarryl Williamson (20-2) TD 5
Samuel Peter (24-0) UD 12
Chris Byrd (39-2-1) TKO 7
Calvin Brock (29-0) TKO 7
Lamon Brewster (33-3) RTD 6
Sultan Imbragimov (22-0-1) UD 12
Tony Thompson (31-1) KO 11
Hasim Rahman (45-6-2) TKO 7
on that list are 5 former HW champions, and 3 have fought for a title on various occasions, :-\ so honestly don't think that KO'ing a former Cruiserweight champ is gonna be the bigges W on his record
Didn't Ali hold? Didn't Lennox Lewis hold? Didn't MIKE TYSON hold? So shut the fuck up about Wlad holding, he has done nothing that the people who ran the division before him haven't done. I'm not comparing Wladimir's achievements to those of the aforementioned Greats but if you take a look back through the history of the division ALL of the greats bent the rules in their favor and The Klitschko's are not different. Wlad is a smart fighter, Ali was a smart fighter, Lennox Lewis was a smart fighter, etc. you use the clinch to stay out of range and keep from getting hit and also use your size advantage to tire out your opponent...it's just common damn sense that heavyweights are going to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
It's not ONLY punching power that gets you KO's...Wladimir knows how to weaken his opponents before he breaks them....and David Haye will find this out the hard way
Is the straw being in a litter box of any significance?
Bx730NY has a point though. Wlad is never going to be a heavyweight you can say you truly enjoy watching. He is boring. He is dominant in the division, but you cannot get a more tedious fighter to watch. Very smart and manipulates what he can get away with very well, but dull is dull.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleDidn't Ali hold? Didn't Lennox Lewis hold? Didn't MIKE TYSON hold? So shut the fuck up about Wlad holding, he has done nothing that the people who ran the division before him haven't done. I'm not comparing Wladimir's achievements to those of the aforementioned Greats but if you take a look back through the history of the division ALL of the greats bent the rules in their favor and The Klitschko's are not different. Wlad is a smart fighter, Ali was a smart fighter, Lennox Lewis was a smart fighter, etc. you use the clinch to stay out of range and keep from getting hit and also use your size advantage to tire out your opponent...it's just common damn sense that heavyweights are going to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
It's not ONLY punching power that gets you KO's...Wladimir knows how to weaken his opponents before he breaks them....and David Haye will find this out the hard way
More points should be docked for excessive holding IMO, it's something too many fighters get away with and it really shouldn't be part of the game. Fighters do it because they can get away with it, but it spoils fights horribly.
I don't mind fighters working on the inside, but to just stop an exchange happening by just clinching...it's just so ugly.
If Haye or anyone else wants to beat Wladimir they have to plan on getting around the jab and keeping their hands free and moving when Wladimir gives them the opportunity.
If Wladimir holds and the other fighter keeps punching then #1 the other fighter might win a round and #2 Wlad might look worse to the judges and ref for doing what he does but in recent fights he hasn't clinched as much as everyone bitches about, he has kept pumping the jab which drives people crazy. I agree he should have been more aggressive with Sultan and Rahman but he had both fights in hand so it was a big risk with very little reward to forget defense and forget the punching power of both fighters and freely let his hands go...that may be very entertaining to watch but it isn't smart boxing and with as many flaws as everyone says Wlad has (stamina, chin, defense, etc etc etc) then why the hell would he do that?!?!?!
Wlad is damned either way...If Wladimir came out and flattened David Haye as he did to Ray Austin what does it prove? Haye hasn't been tested at heavyweight, everyone would write off the win and David Haye and continue to complain about Wladimir. If Wladimir tries to swing for the fences vs Haye and gets caught people will still complain about Wladimir and then hype up David Haye who is just an in shape Sam Peter with a very suspect chin. If Wladimir boxes Haye's ears off he will get no respect for it.
People's opinions on Wladimir and his skill have already been formed and that's fine by me, Iam a fan of the guy, he's a very smart fighter, and he's the best in the division because of not only his skill but his smarts in the ring.
You can't find a more tedious fighter to watch at heavyweight miles or just in general?!?! I can name quite a few who are more tedious to watch: Eddie Chambers-Sam Peter, that fight alone gives us 2 guys who aren't spectacular; Nicolay Valuev, John Ruiz, hell I could go on all day long...people complain about the entire division and yet people still want the only good fighters in the division to lose to a loud mouthed diva who's only accomplishments at the heavyweight division any number of regular everyday people could match....2 wins at heavyweight vs crap fighters, Butterbean did better than that :rolleyes:
I guess you are just slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Diva Haye
Last name Haye as in Hay is for horses.
They put hay in scarescrows.
Diva Haye gets the hay knocked out of him and that is what is left of the Diva after phuking with the giant Klit. ;D and that is not a litter box it's a spitter box.
I just think he could be more exciting. His fights do send me to sleep somewhat. Rubbish opposition doesn't help. I don't like fighters who hold too much. And though a fan of Hatton that has been my big critisism of him in recent years. It really is irritating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
As for Wlad against Haye. I think Wlad wins, but I hope Haye can pull it off because he won't be looking to spoil. I don't care much either way though.
Having heard what the deal is with this fight I hope Haye knocks the living shit out of Wlad. Wlad is an absolute cunt and needs sparking. :rolleyes:
I'm glad your finally giving Haye a chance of winning. I think this is a "pick em" fight. It's a case of who lands clean on who first for me, but with Haye's clear speed advantage I think he may just get there first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
...I don't give Haye a chance, I was just letting everyone know what COULD happen.
Wladimir is going to own him with the jab, Haye will just throw 1 punch at a time and slow down and then get smacked down with the right cross.
I think it's a bit unfair in any fight to give a fighter absolutely no chance at all, no matter what his past results may have shown. Although I still think Wlad will win, I think Haye has a chance of smacking him one. I certainly doubt whether Wlad has met someone of Haye's speed, and whether Haye has met someone of Wlad's power.
I really hope Haye can make a huge upset here, cos' something needs to be done to liven up the Heavyweight division, and the Klitschko bros certainly aren't gonna do it.
Haye is going to make mince meat out of Wlad.. I would do the liberty of gathering some similar images to tell the story of Haye massacaring Wlad but it's already been done for me...
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If only because of the spirited exchanges on this forum, Klitschko-Haye is the first heavyweight fight in a LO-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-N-N-N-G-G-G time that I can't wait to watch. IMO, it should be entertaining while it lasts. Haye certainly can hurt Wlad if he connects, and has the speed and power to do so. But Wlad is a proven heavyweight, with a great jab and power in both hands. I just hope it's an exciting fight and not a snoozefest like most of the recent HW fights have been.
The only way wlad is gonna own him is if he holds him to death and is allowed to get away with it. Otherwise I have Haye winning by KO. I don't see Haye beating Vitali though. he's too big and too good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I've said all along I think both Klitchko's maul Haye and I still do, but it wouldn't be a big surprise to me if Haye knocks out Wlad, if Corey Sanders can do it I'm sure Haye could (don't think he will though) As for Vitali, I wouldn't see Haye getting past 3 rounds
...yeah what am I thinking 52 wins and 46 KO's at heavyweight, Wladimir's power is OBVIOUSLY untested vs a CRUISERWEIGHT of David Haye's level, and the only way Wladimir has racked up those 52 wins is because he was allowed to hold. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
People can talk all they want to about Wladimir's chin, but he never got KO'd by Carl Thompson
There's a reason you have to continually make excuses for him right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle...yeah what am I thinking 52 wins and 46 KO's at heavyweight, Wladimir's power is OBVIOUSLY untested vs a CRUISERWEIGHT of David Haye's level, and the only way Wladimir has racked up those 52 wins is because he was allowed to hold. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
People can talk all they want to about Wladimir's chin, but he never got KO'd by Carl Thompson
He would not be champ right now if he wasn't allowed to hold. I would bet that.
You can talk all you want about Haye getting KOed by Thompson but then why is wladdy so afraid of him then? Why would team klit-erus demand for him to agree to fight 3 fight against them? Because they know Haye can pull it off. Too bad the klits are not as confident as you lyle.
wladdy wanted big bro to fight Haye because he's afraid. Accept that.
Bx, Wlad isn't afraid of David Haye, Wladimir is a PRIZE fighter, WLADIMIR has the belts, David Haye has had 2 fights vs lackluster competition and without an overwhelming amount of crowd support....now what about that situation says "David Haye deserves a good deal when he fights Wladimir"....Wlad is taking the risk (to please the fans I might add) and therefore WLAD gets the better deal.
What kind of response do you want Wlad to give Mr. Haye???
"Oh I'm sorry, you're a cruiserweight champion and have had 2 heavyweight fights vs lame ass competition....oh please take 50%... NO 75% of the purse....I might as well just fight this one for free as I am just so honored at the chance to be in the ring with you....wow David Haye....it is just amazing to be in the same room as you"
Is there a reason you denegrate Wlad and belittle his accomplishments? I know Wlad isn't a perfect fighter (as there is no such thing). What he is, is a superior technical boxer, he is athletic, he comes into each fight in great shape, he follows a strategy and though he may be a little cautious at times he KO's pretty much anyone who sets foot in the ring with him.
Is it that Wlad is boring though ? Or the competition is just so damn weak. Alot of people say Wlad is boring. If you look at it he stands right in front of you and jabs the shit out of you.He really doesn't prance around the ring or look to play the catch and throw game. His fight is in your face jabbing his ass off. Recent fighter's have been intent on staying away and try to flail away at Wlad with weak counterpunching. How can someone fight someone who is constantly in defesive mode when they themselves are a counterpuncher. I personally find Wlad to be all as bit the scientific boxer as "The Great" Ali. Don't get your panties in a twist I didn't say he was as good as Ali. Yet. He set's his oppenent's up with jabs and then when think another jab is coming bam a right hand slams home. Can you guy's honestly tell me that every one of Lennox's,Ali's,Holmes fight's were crowd pleasing. Hell no. Most of them were very forgetful. Except of course the instant classic's do to GOOD COMPETITION. The reason it is so boring is Wlad is just that damn good and doesn't get the credit. So what can we say to belittle him. Oh he has no balls and is very boring. It's just such a cop out.
Anyway my prediction will be Wlad in eight.