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Can't imagine Stern, Goodell, or Selig doing this ...
Anyone question my opinion of MMA or UFC ??? Dana White is classless.
Your right Lyle judge the sport by ONE guy. By this rational you could find all sports to be worthless. Classless absolutely, but he also took a fringe spectacle and his turned it into a huge success.
Hey, all I am saying is that this guy is at the top of the company and he has branded all of UFC in his image and so guys who seem like decent hard working crowd pleasing fighters who are NOT middle class white guys with anger issues, who do NOT have tribal tattoos, who do NOT wear Affliction t-shirts.....those guys get overlooked and drowned out by the LOUD MAJORITY of UFC fighters/fans.
There is a stereotype that DANA WHITE created with UFC and he has reaped what he has sewn. They have the market cornered on douchebags and maybe it's because of their advertising or their commentators (Joe Rogan = total douchebag), or the channel they are on but DANA WHITE built this shit house and the company, it's talent, and it's fans (not 100% of those groups of course) reflect him and his attitude and it's because of people like Dana White that I will not have any part of UFC....I'm sure there are talented guys out there, I am sure there are good guys out there but for every GSP you have you have a Matt Hughes and The Ultimate Fighter show which is just filled with guys trying to be like Matt Hughes or Tito Ortiz.
Boxing on the other hand is worldwide, diverse, and sure we have our fair share of assholes and pricks in the sport but it has a history and as a sport it is not molded or shaped by 1 central figure as UFC is...and we aren't drawn to boxing by product placement or the trendiness of it....we're drawn to boxing for the sport and the history.
And I am not taking personal shots at you of course Van....I know plenty of UFC fans who are decent guys but you do have to accept that there is a stereotype and Dana just supported my view of him and his company in his own words
Lyle,
Come the fuck on. T-shirts & Tattoos? Seriously? Your blind hatred for the sport removes any objectivity brother. MMA fighters act no different than any other professional sport in America. The simple fact that you use the word stereotype only points to a close mindedness. I'm not making this a MMA better than boxing thread or vice versa but don't give me the "Boxing fans are more intelligent BS"....WE KNOW YOU HATE MMA...so since I'm damn near the onyl one that posts in the MMA forum anymore..do me a favor and f*ck off
I didn't say that "boxing fans are more intelligent", I don't think that at all.
I am just using Dana White's own tirade to point out that "THAT'S THE TYPE OF SHIT I HATE ABOUT THE UFC" and nothing else. Sure NOBODY can doubt the guy built a big empire out of what used to be "Hey let's put a Sumo Wrestler vs someone who does Karate" but I object to what he did vs what he COULD have done.
Humility, honor, respect, etc are all parts of the martial arts and yet the UFC seems to actively overlook that.
I know for a fact that there are good guys out there fighting in MMA and I know there are good fans out there too....but there is a group of rabid fans and asshole fighters that I really can't be expected to appreciate and until that is solved I cannot consider myself a fan of the UFC.
I just don't like Dana White, Joe Rogan, Matt Hughes, Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, Rampage Jackson, Tim Sylvia and a number of other guys....but I really do try and find good guys Fedor seems like he's a decent guy, GSP seems ok, Arlovski seems ok and it may sound like I am close minded but I have really looked to try and find guys to support.
Look dude...I've been reading your posts bashing MMA as long as I've been a member here and when the thread is in boxing or any other forum I consider it fair game, but when you take the time to come into the MMA forum to continually tell us (really just me these days) how crappy you think the UFC is it really pisses me off. The UFC is a tremendous success with the lucrative 18-24 market. So I think you simply are not the target audience b/c the way they market the sport is apparently working. Now you didn't say that boxing fans are more intelligent but you did say
"we aren't drawn to boxing by product placement or the trendiness of it....we're drawn to boxing for the sport and the history."
This suggests some sort of elitism and is belittling to MMA fans. If you want to chat about MMA then I'm all for it but if you are just going to come in here and rehash your broad generalizatoins and stereotypes then please go pick a fight with Kirk or Trainer moneky some where else
Well don't you consider Dana White's reaction a little harsh? He's the commissioner of the UFC and as BodyHeadBanger said "I can't imagine Goddell, Stern, or Selig doing this" .
Sure as a businessman White has done a hell of a job and it is due most in part to being able to market his product. Selig, Goddell, and Stern have all marketed their products to certain groups and they have been successful doing so and in that way White can compare to them.
As far as elitism goes, what do you say about the folks who belittle boxing or don't figure boxers for what they consider "real fighters"....how about the people who say that MMA is "more like a real street fight".
The stereotype which I refer to is not just something I made up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLMooHY12Y
I would just welcome UFC not trying to be like the WWE
No he is an asshole..no argument there...but he is one guy in one org...I'm not going to make broad generalizations about a sport b/c of one guy. Who attacks boxing in this MMA forum? More importantly who has gone on the "Boxing" forum and bashed it? Your grasping brother. Both sports have millions of fans. The difference is you go out of your way to find videos of obnoxious MMA fans/fighters/commentators to justify your bias and post them in this forum. I'm pretty sure I'd stir up a shit storm if all I did was celebrate everytime boxing gave its self a black eye.
I go out of my way to post on the obnoxious personalities?!?! They are marketed that way man, Dana marketed "personalities" like he was the WWE.
Sorry Van, I try to like MMA but the personalities are too strong for me.
Boxing, AND MMA, wish they could create the kind of atmosphere for some of their fights like WWE builds(with storylines and etc)
Thats why Dana white does what he does and etc, he wants a wwe like storyline going into a real fight, thats why he has the ultimate fighter shows with the wacky and crazy destroy the house guy that somehow makes it to the finals.
Because drama = ratings and if he can give the fans a wwe type show with actual fighting then he would bring in much more money.
Its all about money and entertainment. Boxing even made up a story between verno phillips and jc candelo last year for friday night fights trying to bring in the extra ratings.
As much as people bash the sports entertainment that is the wwe, there are a lot of combat sports that wish they could create that kind of atmosphere behind a fight.
Dana can be a bit over the top now and again but regardless of his questionable antics the man knows what he is doing and has helped the UFC turn into the phenom it has....
Love him or hate him you have to credit him
I would bet money that boxing fans on a whole are more intelligent and have a higher socio-economic status. In fact, I bet it would surpise people with how wide the spread would be.
what an asinine statement...more importantly what difference does it make?
As great of a job as Dana White has done marketing UFC and making it a household name, he needs to step down IMO. Dana White is the Stan Van Gundy to the next Commissioner's Pat Riley....I think a new commissioner would use the current status of UFC to promote talent, skill, instead of just personalities and make the UFC a legitimate sports franchise (like the MLB, NASCAR, NHL, NBA, and NFL) and without the fear of it just being gimmicky or trendy or a "fad". In order for UFC to take the next step, I think Dana White needs to get out of the driver's seat...but that's just me. IMO he doesn't have the personality to do much other than promote or manage, but he has done a great job thus far in branding the UFC.
That's all I have, and I will admit that despite the foot stomping and grappling there are some good matches and very good talent in that group and at least their heavyweights come to fights in decent shape....we can't say that about boxing recently
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Yes my statements are stupid but:
You all were talking about who was better etc. in a half-ass silly way. However, intelligence and status are empirical things that can be calculated. This wouldn't be opinion and I think I am right.
I don't get in stupid arguments about which sport is better, I enjoy both. Lyle may have but not me. Comparing sports as to which one is more entertaining or requires more skill is just childish. I also find it odd that you seem to tie intelligence to socio-economic status. So poor people people are not smart enough to graspt boxing? Empirical or not unless you can provide such a study its nothing more than your elitist self righteous opinion. When you do your research make sure you compare college educations of MMA fighters vs Boxers as well. I'll say again what difference does it make though? I guess golf must be the best sport hands down b/c its fans by a percentage come from higher economic status and conversley are just more intelligent :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
I didn't say there was a correlation in status and intelligence, I am saying that boxing has MMA beat in both categories. ;)
But you are right. It is a stupid argument. However, I think boxing has some of the most diverse fans of any sport ever. It is hard to stereotype boxing fans, as Lyle is able to do pretty with accuracy with other sports.
Booze, in all honesty I think boxing seems to have the advantage over MMA when it comes to NOT being trendy. I know there are fighters and fans of MMA who really truly respect the sport, I just get tired of the guys with big attitudes/egos....a little bit of the stereotyped MMA fighter/fan goes a long way for me.
But there are a couple of things that UFC has done FAAAAAR better than boxing in recent years and I hate to say it but Dana White is part of the reason.....I think he's a total prick but he's done a fairly good job with UFC. Their fighters train properly and come to fights in shape (for the most part) and tonight boxing has a heavyweight matchup between 1 guy who is 6'3 255 and another who is 6'6 271....and I am certain their body fat % is somewhere around 14-20% and if you were to compare that to 2 heavyweight contenders in the UFC I am certain those guys would be in better shape and the same comes to marketing....boxing on the whole has gotten lazy. Lazy fighters, lazy marketing, and it has lead to lazy fans or fans who have switched to MMA.
I do have to give credit to MMA/UFC when credit is due and right now it's doing a damn fine job because of and inspite of it's asshole commissioner.
....even if the stereotypes are true ;). I may watch more UFC or MMA as the years pass but I will NEVER: wear an Affliction t-shirt, get a tribal tattoo, or have those ugly ass cauliflower ears ;D
you guys kill me...but this is the most posting the MMA forum has seen in weeks...so I can't complain to much...If yall get showtime watch the Frank Shamrock vs Nick Diaz fight tonight. Two of the biggest loud mouths the sport has but should put on an entertaining fight.
Wake me up when it's over:o:confused::rolleyes:
This video proves that Boxing fans are more intelligent than MMA fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV8A7jCf4Cg
Here is a news article on PBF. Nothing but class here.
Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s car found at shooting, search warrant served - Las Vegas Sun
This speaks for itself.
http://zerolightseeds.files.wordpres...pg?w=400&h=293
Let's stop comparing apples with peers and let's not ever evoke this silly compaison please.
:lol: There's nothing like starting a post with "Yes my statements were stupid but"
20 years from now, conversation with my then kid at a boxing match...
"Who's Dana White?"
"He was this jackass with a big mouth. Ran a thing called UFC. Mixed arts fighting deal. It went out of fashion, kinda like roller derby, and glittery hair gel."
"And how did he die again?"
"Leaving a turkish bath I read, mumbling something about ruling the world in a drunken stupor when he staggered into the street. Hit by one of those new prius taxi cabs."
"Those things are lame."
"Sure are son. The funny part is, was this guy named Scott Cocker driving it."
"Who's that?"
"A taxi driver, apparantly."
Dana is a nut case and a asshole.
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