Printable View
I think this guy could be something special. That punch that Holt knocked him down with in the first wouldve knocked a lot of fighters out, but Bradley got up after taking a quick knee and seemed to have recovered instantly. But apart from his power of recovery, theres also something old school about the way Bradley fights. Let me know what you think.
I think i may of completely underestimated Timothy Bradley. I thought he only beat Witter because he had such an off night and i had Holt to beat him quite easily last night.
The recovery after that 1st knock down was fantastic, ive not seen anybody go and come back again that fast after a great shot since Calzaghe.
And even though Holt was always guna be the more hurtful of the 2 Bradley simply outworked him with a consistant tempo of high quality boxing.
I never saw him as somebody who belongs in that top 5 band of Lightwelters in the rankings but hes just decently beat one of those top 5. And even though he took a couple of counts it was no fluke. As im beginnin to believe the Witter win wasnt a fluke either.
Though i still dont think hes in the same class as Hatton at 140. But then i dont think Hatton really cares that much about being top of that pile anymore himself with the people hes chased and wants after Pacquiao.
I think i may of completely underestimated Timothy Bradley. I thought he only beat Witter because he had such an off night and i had Holt to beat him quite easily last night.
The recovery after that 1st knock down was fantastic, ive not seen anybody go and come back again that fast after a great shot since Calzaghe.
And even though Holt was always guna be the more hurtful of the 2 Bradley simply outworked him with a consistant tempo of high quality boxing.
I never saw him as somebody who belongs in that top 5 band of Lightwelters in the rankings but hes just decently beat one of those top 5. And even though he took a couple of counts it was no fluke. As im beginnin to believe the Witter win wasnt a fluke either.
Though i still dont think hes in the same class as Hatton at 140. But then i dont think Hatton really cares that much about being top of that pile anymore himself with the people hes chased and wants after Pacquiao.
I think i may of completely underestimated Timothy Bradley. I thought he only beat Witter because he had such an off night and i had Holt to beat him quite easily last night.
The recovery after that 1st knock down was fantastic, ive not seen anybody go and come back again that fast after a great shot since Calzaghe.
And even though Holt was always guna be the more hurtful of the 2 Bradley simply outworked him with a consistant tempo of high quality boxing.
I never saw him as somebody who belongs in that top 5 band of Lightwelters in the rankings but hes just decently beat one of those top 5. And even though he took a couple of counts it was no fluke. As im beginnin to believe the Witter win wasnt a fluke either.
Though i still dont think hes in the same class as Hatton at 140. But then i dont think Hatton really cares that much about being top of that pile anymore himself with the people hes chased and wants after Pacquiao.
Tim Bradley is very likeable guy. Very religious with wicked right hand.
Bradley is a very good fighter. Ive been going on about this guy for years That said he has a couple of issues when he fights. One, he doesnt sit down on his punches and a lot of his flurries are very amateurish. And two, he comes in with his head a lot. Hes going to get cut a lot if he keeps with the headbutts, and that will effect his fights. He has an excellent mentality and he showed that he was the mentally tougher fighter last night. Although I do think that Holt looked like the more established pro in there. Bradley can give anyone at his weight problems.
Kendall let the fight slip away... Holt was decapitating him with the jab every time he thru it, Bradley was agressive but Holt landed the more meaningful shots and ate a ton of them... Kendall should have brawled a little more sine he was getting the better of the exchanges as demonstrated with the 1st round KD and the 12th..
All in all good work and win by Bradley he really committed to the body work as usual and it paid huge dividends in controlling the tempo.
I am not sold on Bradley just yet, he was sloppy at times and Holt has a propensity to lose focus and not maintain a strong as the fight progresses, couple that with bradley not even getting a wobble out of Holt who has been down more than Paris Hilton and I see him getting dusted by a big puncher or a guy with a strong will and mental make up who digs in ..
He reminds me a bit like Juan Diaz albeit faster but a pressure fighter who constantly relents with unreal stamina though lacking the punching power to deter a top level fighter.
Bradley would lose to the following
Hatton
Pac
Urango
JMM
Juan Diaz(If he moved up)
Campbell
Funeka(If he moved up)
Kahn (if he moved up)
And Victor Ortiz too imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Hell yea forgot all about VictorQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftAnd Victor Ortiz too imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Good win for Bradley, I have been a fan of this kid for a while now...I predicted him to win over Holt in the Showtime Media Poll and I predicted Him in the poll to beat Witter.....
The one thing he needs to do is avoid squaring up after getting off but maybe after being floored by Holt last night he will have that in mind for the future
As for him not sitting on his punches...IMO that will come in time...He is young and still only 25 fights....He has improved over the last few years and comes into every fight with a little something extra then the fight previous....
As for the knockdown that F'ing shot should have starched Bradley for the first second I thought the fight was over....
Tim got up quick and then had the ring saavy to take the knee and make sure his head was clear....Very smart!!...
I don't think that proved any weakness in his jaw,
Good fight for him and in another 4 or 5 fights he will be ready for a bout with one of the big names
I think he would beat Campbell and Diaz.
How do you figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Bradley couldnt break an egg, Campbell would counterpunch his ears off... Diaz would grind him down...
Bradley lacks the pop to keep a guy like Diaz off of him
Workrate. Bradley can keep a more consistant pace than Campbell and there are too many unknowns with Nate at 140 at his age. Plus even if Campbell does effectively counterpunch him all night, it doesnt mean hel win the fight. Bradley will still outland him. As for Diaz, Bradley doesnt need to keep him off him. If Diaz comes staight in against him, Bradley will box him to a decision. Diaz at 140 I dont think will have the power to hurt Bradley. Bradley can get to Diaz though through accumulation of punches imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHow do you figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Bradley couldnt break an egg, Campbell would counterpunch his ears off... Diaz would grind him down...
Bradley lacks the pop to keep a guy like Diaz off of him
I'm a Witter fan and everything I've seen from Bradley has impressed me!
^^ i always hated witter an im british
bradley showed some gr8 body punchin n i luvd da slippin
Didnt think he had fans:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHow do you figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Bradley couldnt break an egg, Campbell would counterpunch his ears off... Diaz would grind him down...
Bradley lacks the pop to keep a guy like Diaz off of him
I thought that fight was boring as can be myself except for the knockdown. Nothing special IMO. It's pretty embarrassing that Bradley holds two championship belts, just my opinion. Your right, I didn't notice any serious power.
Timothy is a tough man
Bradley is a pretty good fighter, but I don't think he can be an elite fighter. I like him though he has a very good attitude, but his limited skill set can only get him so far. I would like to see him fight Paulie Malignaggi. I think he would win, but stylistic wise I would like to see it.
Limited skillset? He looks like hes got considerable skills to me. He had an extensive amateur career and is a well schooled fighter imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by "The L.A. Earthquake"
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHow do you figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Bradley couldnt break an egg, Campbell would counterpunch his ears off... Diaz would grind him down...
Bradley lacks the pop to keep a guy like Diaz off of him
I have to agree...Nate is just too much the vet with too much ring saavy...
As for Diaz why is it soo many people count him out?.....He is one of the most dangerous punchers in the sport....He has only lost to 2 P4P fighters and he gave JMM everything he could handle and more,....
Diaz to me so far when he stepped up he has been beaten also when he gets cut he seems to not handle it well at all or maybe its just me. I think Bradley could beat Diaz and Nate not sure of how he would do against the others Holt is a big puncher dont know why people make a big deal about him getting floored by him still got up and won the fight. Holyfeild was not the biggest puncher but he had mental toughness and was over achiever i think Bradley is the same and think he can havealot more success then people give him credit for i mean he is still young guy is improving big time. Not like there are is any Sugar Ray Leonards in the division anyhow.
I like Bradley.His mentality,tenacity and work ethic.He is a hard little rock that will stick around for some time.He showd some very experienced smarts last night and over all last three fights were very solid displays.That left hook just swept him off his feet....a three punch combo really.Bradley was literally stretched flat on back,poped up...assesed and took the count.What a shot!!!I think hes one of the more mentally focused/determined guys out there.
I do think he can look a bit tattered at times.Open down the middle as he fights like a bangers mindset,squaring up.Capable sharp right hand,smooth mover but not a big puncher.Loads up too much in spots.He leads with his head from pretty early on.Not as a tactic but stylistically.He has great work rate,good feet,and nice hand speed.Understand he has a mandatory deadline to face Devon Alexander.Big descision for him!Very tough line up hes putting together really?!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Can't put it any better than that on Bradley. Only thing I can add is on Holt. I was impressed with his maturity and humility after the fight. He was realistic, saying he got outworked and gave away rounds. Hope Holt stays active in the top, cause he didn't deserve to win, but he showed himself to be a real pro. Overall it was a good night of boxing from Showtime.
I thought for the most part Bradley looked great on Saturday against Holt. He showed grit, determination, and discipline. He outfought a proven champion who was taller and a heavier puncher. He was hit with a knockout type punch in that first round and raised himself off of the mat, took the knee like an experienced ring technician and dusted himself off. How many fighters get up after that kind of punch from Holt? Moreover, from that point going forward, he thoroughly dominated Holt.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoomWorkrate. Bradley can keep a more consistant pace than Campbell and there are too many unknowns with Nate at 140 at his age. Plus even if Campbell does effectively counterpunch him all night, it doesnt mean hel win the fight. Bradley will still outland him. As for Diaz, Bradley doesnt need to keep him off him. If Diaz comes staight in against him, Bradley will box him to a decision. Diaz at 140 I dont think will have the power to hurt Bradley. Bradley can get to Diaz though through accumulation of punches imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHow do you figure?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Bradley couldnt break an egg, Campbell would counterpunch his ears off... Diaz would grind him down...
Bradley lacks the pop to keep a guy like Diaz off of him
The things he did wrong are easily fixed. He left himself open for that big shot too frequently, but at the same time, as the fight went on, he learned to keep his hands up defensively. That is something his trainers will undoubtedly work on.
At the end of the day, in a matter of a year, Bradley has beat Kendall Holt, Edner Cherry, and Junior Witter. And he is only 25. He has much to learn but he is a young champion with a bright future.
He's beaten them but the fact that the wins over Witter and Holt were so close suggests that his level is around the Holt, Urango, Kotelnik level and unless he improves considerably he'll never be an elite fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI thought for the most part Bradley looked great on Saturday against Holt. He showed grit, determination, and discipline. He outfought a proven champion who was taller and a heavier puncher. He was hit with a knockout type punch in that first round and raised himself off of the mat, took the knee like an experienced ring technician and dusted himself off. How many fighters get up after that kind of punch from Holt? Moreover, from that point going forward, he thoroughly dominated Holt.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoomWorkrate. Bradley can keep a more consistant pace than Campbell and there are too many unknowns with Nate at 140 at his age. Plus even if Campbell does effectively counterpunch him all night, it doesnt mean hel win the fight. Bradley will still outland him. As for Diaz, Bradley doesnt need to keep him off him. If Diaz comes staight in against him, Bradley will box him to a decision. Diaz at 140 I dont think will have the power to hurt Bradley. Bradley can get to Diaz though through accumulation of punches imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
The things he did wrong are easily fixed. He left himself open for that big shot too frequently, but at the same time, as the fight went on, he learned to keep his hands up defensively. That is something his trainers will undoubtedly work on.
At the end of the day, in a matter of a year, Bradley has beat Kendall Holt, Edner Cherry, and Junior Witter. And he is only 25. He has much to learn but he is a young champion with a bright future.
I like him and he's a nice guy plus he put Witter on his arse which is nice, but i don't think he is anything special. I think he has the potential to win or lose close fights against the likes of Malignaggi, Kotelnik, Torres, Urango etc...but that's about as far as he'll go imo...unless he can dramitically improve.
Dont understand what people keep saying he needs to improve to be elite. What divsion are we talking about here he beat all top guys pretty much. There is Hatton who is good fighter but lets be honest in a year i think he while be done and Bradley while be at the top of the divsion. I mean who going take him out Diaz wont have any power at 140 and Bradley i think could pose his while on him and Nate is getting old and who knows. Pac i dont think while fight him and not sure how Marquez is going move up. Ortiz i think is overrated fighter and i take Bradley to beat him as well. Not like he is in a era of Duran, Leonard and Hearns i just dont get it.
I completely agree. People keep putting Urango in there as an opponent, but he moved up.. (can't see how he ever made 140 in the first place). I think Hatton has had a long a eventful career, but he will hang up the gloves in a year or two. It's gonna be a matter of money, really... what fight for 100k's when he could nab a couple more Multi-Mil fights and retire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Back to the topic. Bradley is gonna be fantastic. I am glad he won the fight, it was the hardest fight to call this past week. Problem with him, I just can't see him moving up in weight anytime soon... I think that is what people are referring to as an "elite fighter"
By saying he's not going to be elite i personally mean he's never going to have the status of say Hatton, Cotto, Mayweather, Tszyu etc...or in other words he's never going to make p4p lists....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I don't really see him as being anything better than the likes of Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Torres, Lazcano etc...even Holt could beat him in a rematch. I just don't think he has that special ability that makes him any different from the majority of the 140 contenders.
Devon Alexander will beat him too ;)
Bradley hasn't earned a fight against Pacman, Marquez, or Hatton, nor will he get one.
Campbell v. Bradley would be a fight. I'm unconvinced with Campbell at 140 because against Funeka he looked dull. Although I haven't completely made up my mind, as of now, I favor Bradley against Campbell until I see Campbell in another fight at 140.
I see Bradley beating the current version of Paulie, Torres, or Lazcano.
For now, he should stay away from the Ortiz v. Kotelnik winner. Randall Baily would be a tough fight and so would Devon Alexander.
Urango is moving up to welterweight, which takes him out of the picture.
I bet he defends against Devon or fights Campbell next.
The WBC has mandated that Bradley must defend their belt against Alexander next. That is a high risk/no reward type of fight for Bradley, as Alexander is extremely talented but virtually unknown. My guess is he vacates the WBC belt and takes on Campbell. Alexander then fights someone for the vacant WBC belt. I hope I'm wrong though as I love Alexander. He's been handled like shit by King, but a win over Bradley for two belts would immediately put him on the map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Bradley is a very nice guy and a very hard worker. You have to respect him. He commits to the body and gets low and is hard to hit. Also has fast hands for being such a musclebound fighter.
Only thing I don't like bout him is those little bitch punches he does on the inside. The lil slaps he was doin to Holt.