Mike Tyson was the hardest puncher ever?

Hey I am new but a boxing fan of many years

For the past few years I have concentrated on the heavy weights , over time

By carefully watching videos and TV of great heavy weight fights over the the last century and even into this century of 2009 I am convinced at his best Mike Tyson was both the hardest puncher in heavy weight boxing history. And potentially the greatest of all time, until sadly his money grabbing wife mother in-law and Don King came in and messed up his boxing life

He punched much like the great Joe Louis, short hard and accurate, but with much more power

What people don't remember is he was bigger and stronger than the likes of Sonny Liston, as big as George Foreman in fact, but 100% dynamic muscle

He was the most magnificent physical specimen ever to embrace the boxing arena and it still greatly saddens me that he was never allowed to fulfil his true awesome boxing potential


George Foreman , a really nice guy, also was a very hard puncher maybe the next hardest after Tyson at his very best

Tyson might have had problems with the very tall Foreman and his powerful clubbing punches. Foreman liked fighting shorter opponents and this might have been a factor if both had met at the very best

Alan of South Africa

No Mike Tyson wasn't the hardest puncher ever, he might not even make it into the top 10 heavyweights P4P.

Bigger than Foreman?!?!?! George was 6'4 220 in his prime and even bigger when he won the title his second go round.

Tyson's strength was his speed and combination punching...he could hit hard but not like Foreman, nowhere close

This thread has basically come up in plenty of different guises before. The general accepted wisdom is that at the very least George Foreman & Earnie Shavers hit harder. What Tyson had was great speed at close range, which enabled him to be a truly vicious puncher. However, I would no way ever believe he is the hardest ever, the two I mentioned definitely hit harder.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

No Mike Tyson wasn't the hardest puncher ever, he might not even make it into the top 10 heavyweights P4P.

Bigger than Foreman?!?!?! George was 6'4 220 in his prime and even bigger when he won the title his second go round.

Tyson's strength was his speed and combination punching...he could hit hard but not like Foreman, nowhere close

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he's in my top 10, just he's not #1

1.Foreman
2.Shavers
3.Louis
4.Frazier
5.Liston
6.Norton
7.Marciano
8.Patterson
9.Tyson
10.Tua

really not in any specific order though, just besides #1 Foreman and 9,10 are about right 2-8 can be moved around

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Originally Posted by Lyle

No Mike Tyson wasn't the hardest puncher ever, he might not even make it into the top 10 heavyweights P4P.

Bigger than Foreman?!?!?! George was 6'4 220 in his prime and even bigger when he won the title his second go round.

Tyson's strength was his speed and combination punching...he could hit hard but not like Foreman, nowhere close

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he's in my top 10, just he's not #1

1.Foreman
2.Shavers
3.Louis
4.Frazier
5.Liston
6.Norton
7.Marciano
8.Patterson
9.Tyson
10.Tua

really not in any specific order though, just besides #1 Foreman and 9,10 are about right 2-8 can be moved around

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I could more or less agree with that list, although there are a few other guys I might have in there instead of the bottom 5.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

No Mike Tyson wasn't the hardest puncher ever, he might not even make it into the top 10 heavyweights P4P.

Bigger than Foreman?!?!?! George was 6'4 220 in his prime and even bigger when he won the title his second go round.

Tyson's strength was his speed and combination punching...he could hit hard but not like Foreman, nowhere close

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he's in my top 10, just he's not #1

1.Foreman
2.Shavers
3.Louis
4.Frazier
5.Liston
6.Norton
7.Marciano
8.Patterson
9.Tyson
10.Tua

really not in any specific order though, just besides #1 Foreman and 9,10 are about right 2-8 can be moved around

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I could more or less agree with that list, although there are a few other guys I might have in there instead of the bottom 5.

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same here, i just did a quick 10 off the top of my head though lol

Just curious, how often do you think a new poster creates a thread about Mike Tyson being either the best HW of all time or the hardest puncher of all time?

I've been here just under 6 months, & I'm sure this is at least the 4th I've seen in that time.

He was as big as Foreman in weight, not height, Foreman admittedly weighed slightly more, but Tyson was a much more muscular man , a better boxer with greater speed

Mikes solid weight , without any bodily fat varies between 216 and 220, Foreman at his very best, when he fought Mohammed Ali was only slightly heavier at 220

I think if anyone could have knocked out Tyson at his best it would have been George Foreman, George dispensed with the great Joe Frazier twice with great ease.

Frazier at his best was a much smaller less powerful boxer than Tyson , both were of similar hight. Joe weighed 205 Mike 220

I do not agree that Ernie Shavers could hit as hard as Mike, he was knocked out by inferior boxers. Mike would have destroyed him

Think at the great ease that Mike knocked out Larry Holmes, I know Larry was past his best but who else knocked out Larry in this fashion? Even at this stage Larry was still a great heavy weight boxer

1.Tyson
2.Foreman
3.Shavers
4.Frazier
5.Liston
6.Norton
7.Marciano
8.Ali
9.Dempsey
10 Patterson

My list is for hardest punchers in boxing history


Alan

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Originally Posted by Alan McDougall

He was as big as Foreman in weight, not height, Foreman admittedly weighed slightly more, but Tyson was a much more muscular man , a better boxer with greater speed

Mikes solid weight , without any bodily fat varies between 216 and 220, Foreman at his very best, when he fought Mohammed Ali was only slightly heavier at 220

I think if anyone could have knocked out Tyson at his best it would have been George Foreman, George dispensed with the great Joe Frazier twice with great ease.

Frazier at his best was a much smaller less powerful boxer than Tyson , both were of similar hight. Joe weighed 205 Mike 220

I do not agree that Ernie Shavers could hit as hard as Mike, he was knocked out by inferior boxers. Mike would have destroyed him

Think at the great ease that Mike knocked out Larry Holmes, I know Larry was past his best but who else knocked out Larry in this fashion? Even at this stage Larry was still a great heavy weight boxer

Alan

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did you ever see Foreman in his prime??? cause by saying Tyson was the more muscular fighter i kinda think you haven't

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Originally Posted by Alan McDougall

He was as big as Foreman in weight, not height, Foreman admittedly weighed slightly more, but Tyson was a much more muscular man , a better boxer with greater speed

Mikes solid weight , without any bodily fat varies between 216 and 220, Foreman at his very best, when he fought Mohammed Ali was only slightly heavier at 220

I think if anyone could have knocked out Tyson at his best it would have been George Foreman, George dispensed with the great Joe Frazier twice with great ease.

Frazier at his best was a much smaller less powerful boxer than Tyson , both were of similar hight. Joe weighed 205 Mike 220

I do not agree that Ernie Shavers could hit as hard as Mike, he was knocked out by inferior boxers. Mike would have destroyed him

Think at the great ease that Mike knocked out Larry Holmes, I know Larry was past his best but who else knocked out Larry in this fashion? Even at this stage Larry was still a great heavy weight boxer

Alan

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Being a big puncher has nothing to do with how good a boxer they are. Watch Earnie Shavers in action, I've no doubt Tyson destroys him, but if he got caught by Shavers it could have been night night. Foreman used to leave dents in huge heavy bags, he hit so hard. Also I'm assuming prime-Tyson is pre-prison Tyson yes? Because I'm sure a fella called Buster Douglas took him out then.

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Originally Posted by Alan McDougall

He was as big as Foreman in weight, not height, Foreman admittedly weighed slightly more, but Tyson was a much more muscular man , a better boxer with greater speed

Mikes solid weight , without any bodily fat varies between 216 and 220, Foreman at his very best, when he fought Mohammed Ali was only slightly heavier at 220

I think if anyone could have knocked out Tyson at his best it would have been George Foreman, George dispensed with the great Joe Frazier twice with great ease.

Frazier at his best was a much smaller less powerful boxer than Tyson , both were of similar hight. Joe weighed 205 Mike 220

I do not agree that Ernie Shavers could hit as hard as Mike, he was knocked out by inferior boxers. Mike would have destroyed him

Think at the great ease that Mike knocked out Larry Holmes, I know Larry was past his best but who else knocked out Larry in this fashion? Even at this stage Larry was still a great heavy weight boxer

Alan

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Being a big puncher has nothing to do with how good a boxer they are. Watch Earnie Shavers in action, I've no doubt Tyson destroys him, but if he got caught by Shavers it could have been night night. Foreman used to leave dents in huge heavy bags, he hit so hard. Also I'm assuming prime-Tyson is pre-prison Tyson yes? Because I'm sure a fella called Buster Douglas took him out then.

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honestly i think old Foreman still would beat Tyson

Nobody is saying Shavers is a better boxer than Tyson but yes he was a harder puncher...the bomb he landed on Holmes was insane and that Larry got up from it was even more crazy.

Floyd Paterson in the Top 10 hardest punchers in Heavyweight history? That shows a shocking lack of knowledge of heavyweight history. Never read anything like it.:o

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Nobody is saying Shavers is a better boxer than Tyson but yes he was a harder puncher...the bomb he landed on Holmes was insane and that Larry got up from it was even more crazy.

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Yeah, there's a quote you can probably find on the net where Holmes says he still sees stars from that Shavers punch. Holmes had very good recuperative powers, as a champ he was staggered a few times, but always came back strong.

Man i am so sick of people saying how great a puncher Tyson was and how he was better then Foreman and all that crap just dont get it. Tyson knocked out old men and bums Foreman knocked out Atg and in quicker fashion sometimes all you got to do is look who they knocked out. And you while see by far that Foreman was knocking out the better men.

Tysons def. one of the top hardest punchers not only in HW history but also All Time.

However he is not THEE hardest puncher.

Above Tyson all time I'd rate:

"Bazooka" Gomez
"Brown Bomber" Louis
Shavers
Marciano
Fitzsimmons
"The Mighty Atom" Wilde
"The Hawk" Jackson

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Just curious, how often do you think a new poster creates a thread about Mike Tyson being either the best HW of all time or the hardest puncher of all time?

I've been here just under 6 months, & I'm sure this is at least the 4th I've seen in that time.

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Jaz having been here for over 4 yrs.

I can't tell you how many, I've lost count. Some of my favorite repeat threads.

Naz vs. _________ <---- Insert name
What if Naz....
Mike Tyson vs. __________ <---- Insert name of any all time Heavy.
What if Ali....
What if Tyson....

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Man i am so sick of people saying how great a puncher Tyson was and how he was better then Foreman and all that crap just dont get it. Tyson knocked out old men and bums Foreman knocked out Atg and in quicker fashion sometimes all you got to do is look who they knocked out. And you while see by far that Foreman was knocking out the better men.

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You obviously did not fight him , if you had then you would have become fatally sick.

Old men and bums,? Three world heavy weight champs bums? Larry Holmes a bum?

peace

Sam Peters.

Tyson, much like Larry Holmes, didn't have many rivalries in his prime. He fought Holyfield and Lewis when he was past his best. Frank Bruno and Donovan Rudduck are the only guys I think had a good kind of even rivalry with Tyson....and it's kind of disappointing because those guys weren't all-time greats. Tyson missed out on proving himself vs some really interesting competition as well: Bowe, Briggs, Morrison, Moorer, and Foreman.

And because of Tyson's style and attitude he gets the Ali and Marciano treatment, he's either vastly overrated or underrated.

Didn't Larry Holmes as an old man beat Ray Mercer?

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Originally Posted by Alan McDougall

Hey I am new but a boxing fan of many years

For the past few years I have concentrated on the heavy weights , over time

By carefully watching videos and TV of great heavy weight fights over the the last century and even into this century of 2009 I am convinced at his best Mike Tyson was both the hardest puncher in heavy weight boxing history. And potentially the greatest of all time, until sadly his money grabbing wife mother in-law and Don King came in and messed up his boxing life

He punched much like the great Joe Louis, short hard and accurate, but with much more power

What people don't remember is he was bigger and stronger than the likes of Sonny Liston, as big as George Foreman in fact, but 100% dynamic muscle

He was the most magnificent physical specimen ever to embrace the boxing arena and it still greatly saddens me that he was never allowed to fulfil his true awesome boxing potential


George Foreman , a really nice guy, also was a very hard puncher maybe the next hardest after Tyson at his very best

Tyson might have had problems with the very tall Foreman and his powerful clubbing punches. Foreman liked fighting shorter opponents and this might have been a factor if both had met at the very best

Alan of South Africa

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id have to say foreman, could of been tyson tho well never no. id love to get all the great heavy weights of yester year and get them on one of those electronic punch machines, then wed no

I called Larry old man which he was at 38 also lets not forget he not fougth in some time and had 14 days to train so i say he was past it. As for those champions you are talking about are you speaking about the title holders he beat or the real champions that beat him just to ask because during his time as champ i dont remember him beating a great champion in his prime. Tyson was in one of the weakest era of boxing when he was a champ only one weaker was Rocky but atleast he beat everyone he fought though. I just think Tyson power was not the greatest ever he knocked out alot bums but when fought Douglas and Holyfeild he him self tasted the canvas i just think because everytime he went into a big fight he lost and his power did not seem a factor in those fights like Foreman did in some of his fights vs atg but that just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I called Larry old man which he was at 38 also lets not forget he not fougth in some time and had 14 days to train so i say he was past it. As for those champions you are talking about are you speaking about the title holders he beat or the real champions that beat him just to ask because during his time as champ i dont remember him beating a great champion in his prime. Tyson was in one of the weakest era of boxing when he was a champ only one weaker was Rocky but atleast he beat everyone he fought though. I just think Tyson power was not the greatest ever he knocked out alot bums but when fought Douglas and Holyfeild he him self tasted the canvas i just think because everytime he went into a big fight he lost and his power did not seem a factor in those fights like Foreman did in some of his fights vs atg but that just a thought.

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This thread is about Mike at his very best before Don King messed up his life and boxing life by giving him anything he liked, including not training properly


Before Foreman fought Joe Frazier, which great boxer did he dispose of??

Rocky was not a real heavy weight, great for his size and weight, but tiny at 186 pounds compared to Mikes 220?

Mike would have killed him, there is simply no comparison between the two and how you guys could rate Rocky as a harder puncher beats me also

I would like us to imagine these great punchers fighting each other at their very peak

It would be Foreman winning?

Or it would be Tyson, winning?

Like I said before foreman was awesome against short heavy weights and I think he would have been the only one to dispense with Mike at Mikes very best

The post prison Mike Tyson was just a shadow of the real great Mike Tyson, and this still saddens and disappoints me to this very day that we were never to see the true potential of possibly the greatest heavy weight in boxier history Mike Tyson was a superlative athlete before he messed up his life, his biggest competitor was his own mind

How some of you guys can rate Joe Louis as a harder hitter than Mike, Joe almost lost to light punching Billy Con. Billy Con would have been murdered in the first round by Mike.

Admittedly all we are dong in trying our best to imagine the outcome of hypothetical great heavy weight contest brought up to our future

Alan

Alan post prison Buster Douglas beat Tyson and during his prime didnt beat anyone that was great and that was still in there prime. Tyson lost all his big fights and during his prime beat mostly bums so i dont see how he can be consider so great there no solid proof of it for me dude because him competion was weak in prime when he fought the top guys of his era he lost.

Have always been equally impressed with his combination speed early career.Of course speed translates but the last thing to go they say is your natural power and as he faded in career,lost timing and ability/willingness to set up,his raw power alone was not enough in the big battles...nor some of the smaller ones.Now the Botha one punch KO ,that was a hellacious 6 inch righthand bomb.That said,He has no one to blame for his circumstances pre or post prison but himself.Some times your only as good as the company you keep.


Lol.Mick that sig is a killer,have to scroll the entire page to read;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

No Mike Tyson wasn't the hardest puncher ever, he might not even make it into the top 10 heavyweights P4P.

Bigger than Foreman?!?!?! George was 6'4 220 in his prime and even bigger when he won the title his second go round.

Tyson's strength was his speed and combination punching...he could hit hard but not like Foreman, nowhere close

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he's in my top 10, just he's not #1

1.Foreman 1. Foreman
2.Shavers 2. Shavers
3.Louis 3. Tyson
4.Frazier 4. Louis
5.Liston 5. Liston
6.Norton 6. Frazier
7.Marciano 7. Marciano
8.Patterson 8. Tua
9.Tyson 9. Ruddock
10.Tua 10. Norton

really not in any specific order though, just besides #1 Foreman and 9,10 are about right 2-8 can be moved around

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Interesting list. I put my own list beside it. No way I have Patterson in the top 10, and I think Tyson is way too low at # 9. Also, there were heavier p4p punchers in other divisions, such as Wilfredo Gomez and Julian Jackson.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Alan post prison Buster Douglas beat Tyson and during his prime didnt beat anyone that was great and that was still in there prime. Tyson lost all his big fights and during his prime beat mostly bums so i dont see how he can be consider so great there no solid proof of it for me dude because him competion was weak in prime when he fought the top guys of his era he lost.

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That is incorrect?

The debatable Buster Douglas fight in Japan , was due to Don King coming into the scene, Mike getting into the fight overweight and under trained, and the beginning of Mike when he began his slide into obscurity and boxing history

After Buster Douglas, the great Mike Tyson was no more. Buster did not defeat Mike, Mike did it all on his own

Alan,

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Alan post prison Buster Douglas beat Tyson and during his prime didnt beat anyone that was great and that was still in there prime. Tyson lost all his big fights and during his prime beat mostly bums so i dont see how he can be consider so great there no solid proof of it for me dude because him competion was weak in prime when he fought the top guys of his era he lost.

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That is incorrect?

The debatable Buster Douglas fight in Japan , was due to Don King coming into the scene, Mike getting into the fight overweight and under trained, and the beginning of Mike when he began his slide into obscurity and boxing history

After Buster Douglas, the great Mike Tyson was no more. Buster did not defeat Mike, Mike did it all on his own

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Buster Douglas DID defeat Mike, it remains one of the greatest shows of will I have seen. Douglas' mother had died shortly before the fight & it motivated him to give the performance of his life, he just would not be denied that night.

Also you've said that Foreman was the only HW that could beat Tyson. You do realize that people win fights on decision, it's not like they just keep fighting until someone gets KO'd. With how good his chin & recovery was, I'm convinced that Ali would have beaten him, Tyson thrived on people being afraid to impose themselves on him, Ali wasn't intimidated by anyone.

Its very likely that the hardest puncher of all time never even was world ranked due to lack of skill or a bad chin. As far as known fighters, I would say based on what his opponents have said and his brutal kos, Shavers hit the hardest. Liston, Schmeling, Foreman, all hard punchers. Id say Tyson is up definately up there.

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Originally Posted by Alan McDougall

Hey I am new but a boxing fan of many years

For the past few years I have concentrated on the heavy weights , over time

By carefully watching videos and TV of great heavy weight fights over the the last century and even into this century of 2009 I am convinced at his best Mike Tyson was both the hardest puncher in heavy weight boxing history. And potentially the greatest of all time, until sadly his money grabbing wife mother in-law and Don King came in and messed up his boxing life

He punched much like the great Joe Louis, short hard and accurate, but with much more power

What people don't remember is he was bigger and stronger than the likes of Sonny Liston, as big as George Foreman in fact, but 100% dynamic muscle

He was the most magnificent physical specimen ever to embrace the boxing arena and it still greatly saddens me that he was never allowed to fulfil his true awesome boxing potential


George Foreman , a really nice guy, also was a very hard puncher maybe the next hardest after Tyson at his very best

Tyson might have had problems with the very tall Foreman and his powerful clubbing punches. Foreman liked fighting shorter opponents and this might have been a factor if both had met at the very best

Alan of South Africa

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mike tyson is one of the hardest hitters in hw history

i have him no2 behind no1 big george forman

a man who could break a punchingbag in 30 mins hit fucking hard

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Alan post prison Buster Douglas beat Tyson and during his prime didnt beat anyone that was great and that was still in there prime. Tyson lost all his big fights and during his prime beat mostly bums so i dont see how he can be consider so great there no solid proof of it for me dude because him competion was weak in prime when he fought the top guys of his era he lost.

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That is incorrect?

The debatable Buster Douglas fight in Japan , was due to Don King coming into the scene, Mike getting into the fight overweight and under trained, and the beginning of Mike when he began his slide into obscurity and boxing history

After Buster Douglas, the great Mike Tyson was no more. Buster did not defeat Mike, Mike did it all on his own

Alan,

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Not to mention the supremely stellar work by the corner :D.I mean,who could blame Mike for not knowing the difference between a water bottle and an end-swell.

they could of used an entire ice cube tray....Mike was getting KTFO that night.

Let's not take anything away from Buster, he looked really good vs Tyson and it wasn't only because Tyson didn't train hard enough or because Tyson had the 3 stooges in his corner....how the hell does Aaron Snowell still get work?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

No Mike Tyson wasn't the hardest puncher ever, he might not even make it into the top 10 heavyweights P4P.

Bigger than Foreman?!?!?! George was 6'4 220 in his prime and even bigger when he won the title his second go round.

Tyson's strength was his speed and combination punching...he could hit hard but not like Foreman, nowhere close

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I would argue this all day, Mike Tyson was 5'10 220-230 pounds and hit much faster, IMO he hit pounds per square inch probably harder than anyone(him or L. Lewis), but not necessarily in the ring because he had to reach up to land on a taller guys he couldn't get the same leverage on head shots

IMO Foreman's power wasn't that close, he's probably comparably strong, but nowhere near as fast.

Taeth, refresh my memory are we talking about the FASTER puncher or the more POWERFUL puncher???

I don't discount Tyson's handspeed, infact it's because of his handspeed that he hit so hard. Look at a guy like Foreman, his opponents knew the punches were coming but he would punch through their guard and knock them out. Tyson would bob and weave and get in close to counter.....Foreman would just push you into range and let loose some bombs.

Comparing the power of Tyson and Foreman is like comparing the power of Shane Mosley and the power of Miguel Cotto....one is a little faster and sharper and the other is more deliberate but heavier

The difference is Cotto got better leverage and more of his body power into punches. Foreman had a ton of power but besides Moorer I can't think of him one punching almost anyone of significance. He had a lot of power and he would pummel guys, Tyson could do that, or he could spark you out.

But if you have one guy who is 6 inches shorter and the same wieght or more with no body fat, that means that weight comes in the form of more muscle. Tyson had more muscle mass than Foreman, he had more speed than Foreman, he had better technique than Foreman, and he knocked guys out in one punch more often than Foreman.

So I say he would hit something that measures PSI harder is because
A. He's stronger
B. He's a lot faster
C. He has better technique behind his punches.

Nobody has ever gotten better leverage than Mike Tyson (who would have gotten even better leverage if it wasn't for him being so short) That why guys like Holyfield would force Tyson to throw bombs on the outside, and tie him up on the inside because from the outside Tyson was so short he needed to leap in and on the inside he was terrible if you tied him up, he needed it to be clean to get off punches, he didn't know how to work to get punches off like Hatton, Duran, or Holyfield.

His KO of Gerry Cooney wasn't a 1 punch KO of someone with significance? And bombing out Joe Frazier was bigger than ANYTHING Tyson ever did.

Foreman hurt Holyfield worse than Tyson ever did....and Foreman was like 44 when he fought Evander.

Foreman was landing a lot more against Holyfield when he was in the right position, how often did you see Tyson get a lined up shot against Holyfield that he landed? Tyson because of his height had a hard time landing the right shot. He hit Cooney a ton of times in the second round with solid punches, but once again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2XlGWhY_5I
How many punches did it take in the first round?

Tall guys don't get the same body mechanics into their punches, they just don't have the coordination.

I am not saying Foreman didn't land harder on certain opponents than Mike Tyson, but if they were both hitting something, Tyson would have the more force on his punches, Foreman just didn't have the technique, the speed, or low center of gravity to produce comparable power.

You could argue David Tua or Shavers IMO, but not Foreman. Lennox Lewis was the only big guy I've ever seen in the pros that had that snap and crack to his punches that guys like Tua, Tyson, and Shavers had. IMO Felix Savon also had it, but never got to show it as a pro.

Hey you win.....George just couldn't punch at all....I'm shocked we're even arguing over it sure he had 68 KO wins but God he fought a bunch of guys who ANYONE could KO....how Joe Frazier lasted a full round with anyone I am not sure, the guy just couldn't take a punch :rolleyes:


Mike Tyson could KO anyone with one punch and that's why he never lost

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Originally Posted by Lyle

No Mike Tyson wasn't the hardest puncher ever, he might not even make it into the top 10 heavyweights P4P.

Bigger than Foreman?!?!?! George was 6'4 220 in his prime and even bigger when he won the title his second go round.

Tyson's strength was his speed and combination punching...he could hit hard but not like Foreman, nowhere close

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he's in my top 10, just he's not #1

1.Foreman 1. Foreman
2.Shavers 2. Shavers
3.Louis 3. Tyson
4.Frazier 4. Louis
5.Liston 5. Liston
6.Norton 6. Frazier
7.Marciano 7. Marciano
8.Patterson 8. Tua
9.Tyson 9. Ruddock
10.Tua 10. Norton

really not in any specific order though, just besides #1 Foreman and 9,10 are about right 2-8 can be moved around

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Interesting list. I put my own list beside it. No way I have Patterson in the top 10, and I think Tyson is way too low at # 9. Also, there were heavier p4p punchers in other divisions, such as Wilfredo Gomez and Julian Jackson.

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I agree with the red ranking but would change it thus

1) Tyson
2) Foreman

or

1) Foreman
2) Tyson

Mohammed Ali was a much harder puncher than the likes of Patterson, after all he knocked those ugly monsters as he called them, both the awesome Liston and Foreman, why is he not in the list?

The others are debatable and that is our task in this thread