I give my congrats to the fellow... Will go on record to say, he needs to really get his shit together if he is going to try and compete at the big time...
But shiit man that was damn great rally that you see maybe once evry few years
Printable View
I give my congrats to the fellow... Will go on record to say, he needs to really get his shit together if he is going to try and compete at the big time...
But shiit man that was damn great rally that you see maybe once evry few years
Yeah, his defence is shit. He has the heart and spirit but really needs to tighten his game up. If he can do that he will be a handful for anyone, as he kinda proved tonight.
all this fight did was prove Taylor's stamina is shit, and he should retire, also that Froch gets beat by any other decent Super Middle, i had it 9-2 for Taylor, he fuckin gave the fight away :rolleyes:
I cant believe their questioning the stoppage.... He has 0 business calling out Calzaghe or Kessler
The scoring has to be a heartbreak for Taylor 14 seconds away :-\
I give him a great chance against Allan Green, Green is kinda chinny, but has great power and technical prowess
Whats next for Taylor?
yeah taylor gave the fight away but take nothing away from carl froch, he did what he had to do
Yes, fair play to Froch, he got Taylor out of there. And going by the judges scorecards he needed to as well. The fight got very exciting at the end. Froch has proven that he is able to handle himself at the world level IMO. Taylor is still a very handy fighter, and a challenge for most fighters at SMW.
I saw a lot of flaws in Froch. His workrate is sometimes lacking and his defence isn't up to much. I'm annoyed that he's gone and called out Calzaghe again, I wouldn't mind seeing Joe come back one last time and box his head off for 12. But the other side of me says screw that, and let Calzaghe enjoy his retirement. If Froch wants a real challenge then he should face Kessler IMO. Kessler won't be getting stopped and doesn't have the stamina issues Taylor has.
And come to think of it Taylor probably deserves a rematch too considering he was up on 2 of the scorecards by a fair margin.
i give full credit to Froch, he made the most of his opportunity, but honestly this fight is a perfect example of a fighter giving away a clear win (Taylor) more than the other stealing the win (Froch), IMO Froch is the weakest of the champions at 168Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
seriously u think bute is worse than frochQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi give full credit to Froch, he made the most of his opportunity, but honestly this fight is a perfect example of a fighter giving away a clear win (Taylor) more than the other stealing the win (Froch), IMO Froch is the weakest of the champions at 168Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
i mean u think froch is worse than bute
seeing how the opposite happened against Bute and he was actually dominating the massive 168 lb fighter in Andrade until he got ko'd but was spared the loss lol, yea i do, even though not by much, Librado Andrade beats bothQuote:
Originally Posted by paddy448seriously u think bute is worse than frochQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi give full credit to Froch, he made the most of his opportunity, but honestly this fight is a perfect example of a fighter giving away a clear win (Taylor) more than the other stealing the win (Froch), IMO Froch is the weakest of the champions at 168Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
If Taylor wants a rematch I think Froch should grant it immediately. It has echoes of the first Pavlik fight, except in this case Froch found it harder to come on strong down the stretch. Totally agree that Froch still has a lot to prove. Beating Taylor was a good start, but totally agree that there are still a lot of question marks about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi give full credit to Froch, he made the most of his opportunity, but honestly this fight is a perfect example of a fighter giving away a clear win (Taylor) more than the other stealing the win (Froch), IMO Froch is the weakest of the champions at 168Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
thing is Taylor's jab looked the best it has in a long time, but again from 9 on he abandoned it, he has one of the best jabs in the game and IMO could of won the fight on that shot alone, but for god knows what reason, he abandoned it, another thing, Taylor's stamina is shit, don't know if its due to lack of roadwork or what, but if he can't go the full 12 he shouldn't be fighting for a titleQuote:
Originally Posted by milesIf Taylor wants a rematch I think Froch should grant it immediately. It has echoes of the first Pavlik fight, except in this case Froch found it harder to come on strong down the stretch. Totally agree that Froch still has a lot to prove. Beating Taylor was a good start, but totally agree that there are still a lot of question marks about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi give full credit to Froch, he made the most of his opportunity, but honestly this fight is a perfect example of a fighter giving away a clear win (Taylor) more than the other stealing the win (Froch), IMO Froch is the weakest of the champions at 168Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I gotta think Froch will spark Green. Green can punch, but we know he can be hurt. At least Froch was never knocked down but subpar competition like Green was by Peter Manfredo victim Donny McCrary.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
The stoppage was good. It cost me a sig bet, but it is what it is. It was a good stoppage. Jermaine was getting hit by everything and he wasn't throwing back. If it wasn't stopped, Froch was going to put him on his seat in those 14 seconds and he would have been hurt.
Kessler and Dirrell beat Froch in a walk. I think Andrade would give him all kinds of problems and I'd actually favor Andrade in a fight. Froch won his fight because wanted it more and Taylor quit trying to hurt him, either because he was afraid or tired. I'd make Bute a slight favorite, but I give Froch a decent chance.
Against anybody else at 168, I'd make Froch a favorite. He's not the second coming like some of the fanboys think, but I'll admit he belongs with the big boys and he's earned his shot to fight any of them.
As for Taylor. it's been a good run, but it's done. If you can't beat this flawed (though talented) fighter, you are now officially a gatekeeper. Retire or you're back on FnF. Please don't try to redeem yourself by being the test horse for Dirrell. He'll murder you. You have a hot wife. Go home to Arkansas and kick back.
Why do people keep saying that Taylor 'gave away' the win? :confused:
It's not like he decided to stop trying or thought it would be a great idea to get knocked out.
He lost because Froch literally beat eeverything he had out of him. He gave 110% there was nothing more Taylor could have done. He simply couldn't last the distance with Carl tonight, no shame in that and he didn't quit or give up.
It was a brilliant win by Carl Froch, Taylor couldn't have done any more, he gave everything he had which is why he couldn't stand up at the end.
And I thought it was going to be a wash-out for Taylor going off Froch's questionable resume. I think its high-time for Taylor to consider retiring:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
He's been beaten badly by Pavlik, won a decision against a shot Lacy, and now get stopped by Karl F*&^ing Froch!?
I'm not taking anything away from Froch, who really came on in this fight, but I was I had never heard of him, and the only fighter of 'note' on his resume was Robin Reid.
Nevertheless, I wish all the best to Froch, but as JT noted, he really needs to get his shit together: hone some sort of a more effective defense, etc.
As for Taylor, its pretty sad, as I admired him as a boxer and person - with the exception of the first robbery against Hopkins - but I really think he needs to re-evaluate his ring career.
Whats next? Hopefully a rematch with Froch because that has to be the best back and forth super middleweight fight ive seen in a long time. Calzaghe vs Lacy was memorable but it was one sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
This one was back and forth and ended in the final moments with a come from behind win. Fight of the Year imo right now.
If they don't have a rematch then Taylor and Green should fight and the winner fight the winner of Froch vs Kessler. Bute will be knocked out some time in those years
Great fight. One of the top fights of the year thus far. It lived up to the hype. Froch showed more grit and determination than most fighters ever have.
Jermain can hold his head up high. He out-boxed Froch for most of the fight. He just couldn't keep it up for the full 12 rounds.
Froch would have trouble with a lot of the division's elite. But, none of that now, he deserves his moment in the spotlight for a hard fought win in foreign territory.
Kessler is irrelevant now. Stop talking about him. I've never seen a guy get so much praise for losing a fight. Will he ever again fight someone of note? My guess is that he will fight another mandatory (and maybe two) challenger in Germany for the sake of resolving his litigation with his promoters and that fight won't happen until the late summer early Fall. He won't fight another big name until early next year at which point the division will have sorted itself out some.
Froch should cash in now. Go fight Bute In Montreal in a unification match and make a ton of money doing it or if Universum will allow it, which is doubtful, Balszay in Germany for the same. The Ward/Miranda winner isn't a big money fight and has the same risk. Same with Allen Green. Those fights aren't worth it as much.
Definately a candidate for fight of the year. IMO taylor was lookin sweet, apart from runnin out of steam, and on that note, the only person who knows how hard froch hits is taylor, prob slowed him down just a touch in the later.
I reckon that out of all at 168, taylor probably has the best boxin ability and hand speed. Froch will always struggle with hand speed due to his poor defense, but IMO no on else out there is as quick as Taylor. I'd love to see Froch fight Pavlik, that would be a war i'm thinkin.
Rematch though, that'll all be down to Taylor, does he want it........
He deserves a lot of praise for that win. What he lacks in skill he makes up for in heart.
Glad you proved me wrong Froch :cool:
I figured when Jermain lasted to the 11th he would hold or run his way thru the rest of the fight...
I picked taylor to outbox and win a comfortable desicion, which by the scorecards he would have.. I always got the sense though that Froch could do what he did...
When he was hitting Taylor there was a deep thud to his punches, so even though Jermain was blocking most he was still getting worn out
Froch can punch, no doubt but his defense id atrocious. I would love to see him in there with Andrade
This Fight Went Just Like I Thought Taylor Out Boxed Him Most Rounds And Froch Came On Strong In The Last 3 Rounds And Knocked Him Out.froch Aint The Best But I Think He Can Hold His Own With Any At 168.seems Like Some That Post On Here Hates On Froch Just Like Thay Do Hatton And Calzage And The Klitschkos Seems Thay Just Cant Stand To See White Boys Kicking Ass.your Not True Boxing Fans Your Just Haters.
Two Taylor conquerors - two big punchers. It would be an all-out war.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
i give credit to Froch, he made the most of his opportunity and stole the win from Taylor, the thing that pisses me off about this fight isn't the result, cause i have nothing against Froch, he showed heart, determination, and a warrior mentality, thing is i'm seriously questioning Taylor's dedication to the sport, his stamina was absolute crap, and it's no one's fault but his own that he lost the fight, going into the 12th i had the fight basically 9-2 or even 8-3 for Taylor plus the knockdown, he was dominating Froch while he used his JAB, which looked PERFECT last night, but he again stopped using the damn thing, i'd honestly like to see a rematch and if Taylor loses again he should just retire, wouldn't mind seeing Froch vs Andrade either
Well I didn't see it but I'm a bit surprised, anyway good for him, seems he's got some heart, I could never root for anybody that annoying but at least he's backed it up a bit.
Hats off to Froch for a great win, but if he gives away that many rounds in the possible rematch I am not sure if Taylor gets iced again.
Why not Pavlik vs Froch i mean look at the job Pavlik did on Taylor it was way more impresive to me and its not like Pavlik has alot going on.
Maybe after Pavlik v Mora they'll think about it, but I think Arthur Abraham has his sights on Pavlik after that, which also has the potential to be a cracking fight. Course, that's if Pavlik beats Mora..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think Taylor certainly deserves a rematch, his stamina may be out the window but he had Carl down in the 3rd and was ahead in the 12th by most people's cards. Makes sense for that to be Carl's next fight I reckon.
I don't see the point in a rematch from Froch's point of view. He only has something to lose. A rematch would be another 50/50 fight for Froch who already has the win, and by knockout. Taylor had no belt and his reputation is now lowered, its just a massive risk for little reward. Even if he wins, he's only beating a guy he already beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by clintukMaybe after Pavlik v Mora they'll think about it, but I think Arthur Abraham has his sights on Pavlik after that, which also has the potential to be a cracking fight. Course, that's if Pavlik beats Mora..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think Taylor certainly deserves a rematch, his stamina may be out the window but he had Carl down in the 3rd and was ahead in the 12th by most people's cards. Makes sense for that to be Carl's next fight I reckon.
I'd rather he went for another title, Bute would be the dream fight for me or if not that European dude who beat Dennis Inkin to win a vacant strap.
He's not ready for Kessler or Calzaghe and should give them a wide berth.
Win a couple belts first.
Yeah I totally see your point mate, I just think for Taylor to be ahead on points and then get KO'ed right at the end, in my mind makes it so he deserves a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't see the point in a rematch from Froch's point of view. He only has something to lose. A rematch would be another 50/50 fight for Froch who already has the win, and by knockout. Taylor had no belt and his reputation is now lowered, its just a massive risk for little reward. Even if he wins, he's only beating a guy he already beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by clintukMaybe after Pavlik v Mora they'll think about it, but I think Arthur Abraham has his sights on Pavlik after that, which also has the potential to be a cracking fight. Course, that's if Pavlik beats Mora..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think Taylor certainly deserves a rematch, his stamina may be out the window but he had Carl down in the 3rd and was ahead in the 12th by most people's cards. Makes sense for that to be Carl's next fight I reckon.
I'd rather he went for another title, Bute would be the dream fight for me or if not that European dude who beat Dennis Inkin to win a vacant strap.
He's not ready for Kessler or Calzaghe and should give them a wide berth.
Win a couple belts first.
But as you say, for Carl, it's not as much of a profitable prospect. I would expect Froch to aim high and go for the other belts, now that he's made his US appearance and won, other fighters will start to take notice.
Well after 7 years and at 31, its shiit or get off the pot time;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
For Froch to take the rematch with Taylor would be like when Margarito turned down Cotto to fight Paul Williams, when Juan Manuel Marquez felt it would be a good idea to go to Indonesia to fight Chris John or when Raphael Marquez thought Isreal Vazquez deserved a second chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by clintukYeah I totally see your point mate, I just think for Taylor to be ahead on points and then get KO'ed right at the end, in my mind makes it so he deserves a rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't see the point in a rematch from Froch's point of view. He only has something to lose. A rematch would be another 50/50 fight for Froch who already has the win, and by knockout. Taylor had no belt and his reputation is now lowered, its just a massive risk for little reward. Even if he wins, he's only beating a guy he already beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by clintuk
I'd rather he went for another title, Bute would be the dream fight for me or if not that European dude who beat Dennis Inkin to win a vacant strap.
He's not ready for Kessler or Calzaghe and should give them a wide berth.
Win a couple belts first.
But as you say, for Carl, it's not as much of a profitable prospect. I would expect Froch to aim high and go for the other belts, now that he's made his US appearance and won, other fighters will start to take notice.
Why take the risk?
Also from Taylors point of view too. I know he'd like to avenge the loss but why go after a big puncher who already took everything you could throw at him and then knocked you out?
Taylor should look to fight someone easier to get himself back in the mix. Jean Pascal Froch's last opponent would be a good matchup, maybe he can try and call out Roy Jones.
There's even the possibility of a fight with Paul Williams, I think a lot of people would be interested to see how that would pan out and a chance to get right back into the big time if he wins.
There are far more easier and sensible fights for both fighters right now.
In winning this fight by KO Froch basically hauled himself out some serious quicksand. Only an idiot would then wade back in and try and fight for their life all over.
Exactly. Taylor had Pavlik in an even better position than he had Froch in their first fight but because he couldn't finish it came back to haunt him as it did last night. But you can't take anything away from Froch and Pavlik they both did what was needed and Pavlik got in Taylor's head as I think Froch may have done and it showed in the rematch where Taylor seemed frightened to take too many chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
So judging by that I think I would favour Froch in a rematch, but I really want to see Froch Vs Kessler. Two solid chins and big hitters who like to move forward. Make's for a great matchup for me!
Bilbo dont think a match between Pavlik and Froch would be a good fight.
Not to mention that they both beat Taylor so that has some back ground.
I don't understand mate, do you mean you don't think Froch vs Pavlik would be a good fight or are you asking me if I don't think it would be a good fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think it's a great fight if it happened. I most want him to fight Lucian Bute though in Canada with Andrade fighting Alan Green on the undercard just so I can have a sig bet with CFH :p
Its a shame Carl has to call for Calzaghe, hes retired! Jim Grey asked him about Kessler and Carl replies with Calzaghe;D
He certainly knows how to make noise without getting trouble.
When he watched himself get knocked down, first he "slipped" then he was fine and knew where he was, yeah, on his ass;D
I just watched it properly and against a Calzaghe or Kessler who arent gunshy and hesitant like Taylor, all those openings are possible knockdowns against Carl;)
I'd like to see a rematch, but only because Taylor would have to get on a plane next time (he should have got on a plane this time too mind). It's about time the Americans realised they're not at the centre of the boxing universe.
Pavlik and Bute are the biggest money fights available for Froch right now. They are who he should aim for. However, both are tough fights for Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76
Pavlik is a very dangerous fight for Froch. It's also a very dangerous fight for Taylor. We've seen that Froch's "iron" chin can get checked, and we know Kelly can be hurt, too. Both fighters are relaxed in the ring and can go 12, and both guys are good finishers. Froch is naturally bigger, but Pavlik has better technique. I would give either fighter a lot of credit if they made this fight within the next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratPavlik and Bute are the biggest money fights available for Froch right now. They are who he should aim for. However, both are tough fights for Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuyIncognito76