Shame Roach didnt fight as well as he talks !
Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .
Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .
He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !
Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .
All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .
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Fuck that, he has always stated that its the fighter no the trainer that makes a fighter special, and he has made PAcquiao so much better than he once was, IMO Pacquiao without Roach would have never made it to the top of the sport, he wouldn't have gained any recognition and he was too poor technically to compete with guys like Barrera, but already by then Roach really changed Pacquiao, now he is not just the best fighter in the world, but can fight a technical fight with Barrera or Marquez and win.
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Big Dick Whittington
Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .
Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .
He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !
Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .
All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .
Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's worked with such fighters as
Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr. :-X
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan
even Lucia Rijker
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I like the fact that Manny and Ricky have enough respect for each other, that they need their trainers to b**** with each other to hype the fight!;D
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yeah there both great guys outside the ring. seem to like each other but when the bell rings its all about wuppin ass.and your right the trainers had to do the braggin for this one.
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Just like any sport,there are trainer coach to think of strategies for the players.trainer coach thinks,players implement the plans.
just get to love freeddie doing great in his job.
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Roach is one of the most level headed and reasonable trainers around. He's gotten a high profile from the last 2 of Manny's fights, but he's been highly regarded for several years now.
I have never seen him give bad advice in the corner, stop a fight way too soon or way too late. Overall, I really respect Roach.
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luvfightgame
Roach is one of the most level headed and reasonable trainers around. He's gotten a high profile from the last 2 of Manny's fights, but he's been highly regarded for several years now.
I have never seen him give bad advice in the corner, stop a fight way too soon or way too late. Overall, I really respect Roach.
i agree, i think it has a lot to do with the fact that he knows just how bad a fight can hurt someone, and the effects it can leave, there is no doubt that Roach has Parkinsons due to the way he would fight, and the fact that he didn't have someone like himself in his corner who cared enough to save him from himself, and avoid taking permanent damage, the way he stopped the Penalosa fight and the way he went about stopping it shows this clearly, he told Gerry hurt him this round or i'm stopping it the next round, Penalosa didn't come close to hurting him, he stopped it, Roach might talk crap sometimes, but he always gives a fighter his dues
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I think Roach is pretty solid,really cannot understand much of his instructions as of late but using his own career and style of fighting as a measuring stick...he now certainly knows what not to do.
You can really say that about Papa Mayweather as well I suppose :-X.Like a mouth full of marbles that one.
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Spicoli
I think Roach is pretty solid,really cannot understand much of his instructions as of late but using his own career and style of fighting as a measuring stick...he now certainly knows what not to do.
You can really say that about Papa Mayweather as well I suppose :-X.Like a mouth full of marbles that one.
now i know where his marbles went..... both could be barely understood although one is caused by a disease and and one is a disease(poems and trash talking and calling yourself greatest of all time) on its own.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Big Dick Whittington
Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .
Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .
He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !
Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .
All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .
Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's worked with such fighters as
Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr. :-X
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan
even Lucia Rijker
Roach also played a big part with Donaire's win against Darchinyan and Penalosa's 2nd world title.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Big Dick Whittington
Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .
Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .
He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !
Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .
All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .
Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's
worked with such fighters as
Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr. :-X
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan
even Lucia Rijker
Key words.
All were established. People can take that anyway they choose. Either he has respect in the game so people seek him out & all it takes is for someone to whisper the right words in someones ear.
why didn't Oscar stay with him?
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Big Dick Whittington
Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .
Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .
He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !
Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .
All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .
Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's
worked with such fighters as
Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr. :-X
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan
even Lucia Rijker
Key words.
All were established. People can take that anyway they choose. Either he has respect in the game so people seek him out & all it takes is for someone to whisper the right words in someones ear.
why didn't Oscar stay with him?
who did Oscar go back to? oh right his previous trainer the man who had him since he beat the snot out of Arturo Gatti at welter, Floyd Mayweather Sr., just cause one fighter, who at the point that he hooked up with Roach didn't really matter cause Freddie at that point couldn't really teach him anything new
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I have no idea why Freddie Roach (or any trainer) would piss anybody off this much ;D
Manny's improved dramatically over the years, Freddie's got to have played some part.
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OumaFan
I have no idea why Freddie Roach (or any trainer) would piss anybody off this much ;D
Manny's improved dramatically over the years, Freddie's got to have played some part.
exactly, and what he did with James Toney only further proves how good of a trainer he is
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I like Freddy I think he is a good trainer that really cares for his fighters. If I remember correctly he worked with the great Eddie Futch and helped Virgil Hill all the way to a title which has to count for something.
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Freddie Roach is a mercenary with a Sob story !
How many of those fighters walked into the gym and then moved out !
It's just utter bollocks to believe that a trainer can change anything a fighter does in a few fights !
Manny Pacquio would be a great fighter any how ! He was born with greatness in him he makes a lot of mistakes still and yet get's through with guts and no little skill .
The trainer is a bit part player they have way to higher profile for my liking and it's gullible twats that believe Freddie Roach or any other trainer can suddenly instill in somebody something different .
A trainer cant put whatin what God left out and after 10 years of being a pro there's no way that a fighter or any other sportsmen can be made to change technique .
Mayweather I rate his son is an incredible boxer and clearly the best schooled fighter out there he's just short on fighting heart .
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
luvfightgame
Roach is one of the most level headed and reasonable trainers around. He's gotten a high profile from the last 2 of Manny's fights, but he's been highly regarded for several years now.
I have never seen him give bad advice in the corner, stop a fight way too soon or way too late. Overall, I really respect Roach.
i agree, i think it has a lot to do with the fact that he knows just how bad a fight can hurt someone, and the effects it can leave, there is no doubt that Roach has Parkinsons due to the way he would fight, and the fact that he didn't have someone like himself in his corner who cared enough to save him from himself, and avoid taking permanent damage, the way he stopped the Penalosa fight and the way he went about stopping it shows this clearly, he told Gerry hurt him this round or i'm stopping it the next round, Penalosa didn't come close to hurting him, he stopped it, Roach might talk crap sometimes, but he always gives a fighter his dues
I was very impressed with how he handled that stoppage.
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Big Dick Whittington
Freddie Roach is a mercenary with a Sob story !
How many of those fighters walked into the gym and then moved out !
It's just utter bollocks to believe that a trainer can change anything a fighter does in a few fights !
Manny Pacquio would be a great fighter any how ! He was born with greatness in him he makes a lot of mistakes still and yet get's through with guts and no little skill .
The trainer is a bit part player they have way to higher profile for my liking and it's gullible twats that believe Freddie Roach or any other trainer can suddenly instill in somebody something different .
A trainer cant put whatin what God left out and after 10 years of being a pro there's no way that a fighter or any other sportsmen can be made to change technique .
Mayweather I rate his son is an incredible boxer and clearly the best schooled fighter out there he's just short on fighting heart .
That's why all the professional coaches in the nba and nfl aren't worth a damn.
I agree with the fact that many fighters were already developed. But a great coach will get more out of the fighters.
Phil Jackson won championships with the same teams that barely made the playoffs. He's probably not good at developing a player from scratch, but he's the best at getting the most out of a team.
Look at Angelo Dundee. He didn't train Ali or SRL from scratch, he's just great at getting the extra "umph" out of them.
