Anyone else man enough to make the same prediction for Hatton Pacman as me?

Ok I know we all have opinions on all the big fights, and usually if a fight results goes our way, or sometimes even if it doesn't we will come back with a kind of a smug glow and feel a bit chuffed over our 'rightness'.

Well in this fight I will openly admit I have absolutely no idea how this fight will play out.

Manny's speed is incredible, in fact the training clips we've seen on 24/7 look like they have been sped up but Ricky has never come close to losing at 140 lbs and he's looking in awesome shape too.

Manny looked sensational in beating Oscar De La Hoya but he was a shell of a fighter that night and I think if Ricky would have fought Oscar that night he'd have KO'd him inside 4 rounds like he did to Jose Luis Castillo. You simply cannot go into a fight 20 lbs below your natural body weight and hope to do well.

So I'm tentatively going to go with Ricky, certainly at 6/4 he's the smart money bet as it really is a pick em fight.

But this is purely to do with the betting, if Manny was 6/4 I'd be putting my money on him as I don't think there has been a fight in recent memory that was more of a coin flip than this one.

So does anyone else want to join me and boldy state beforehand that they have absolutely no fucking clue who is going to win this one, and thus give up all possibility of bragging rights and the chance to say 'I fucking told you!' on Sunday morning?

No I can't do that.

I've been running my mouth about Hatton too much. But I do agree that it can go either according to whoever gets it right.

I'm looking forward to mocking the Pac fans, but I'm also fearful of looking like a big spastic.

Either way, may the best....Ricky Hatton win! :D

I now come forward to reveal my expectations on this fight.

1st scenario,Should Ricky decide to brawl Manny as the bell sounds starting the fight.Then he will be bombarded with crisp combinations by Manny. If Ricky does not go down in the first round.Manny will continue landing his combis at will.

This will result in a KO win by Manny inside 3 to 5 rounds.

2nd scenario,should Ricky decides to box Manny intellegently by using lateral movements and land his vaunted bodyshots,the fight can be a toss up for the two protagonists.

I am for Manny winning this one.

Can't do it either Bilbo. As much as I want Ricky to win, I just can't see him dealing with the speed. I usually have so much faith in Ricky. I even believed he could cause Floyd problems. But in this one, I just don't see it. If it was one sided, I wouldn't be shocked, although I don't expect it to be.

Was tempted to put money on Manny winning on a cuts stoppage. Think I could get decent odds on being that specific.

The uncertainty is what makes it such a great fight. I wouldn't be surprised by any outcome.

Pac - early, late, pts. Ricky - early, late, pts. Cuts to both. Knockdowns.

You're right Bilbo, Hatton is the value bet for anyone that considers it a genuine 50/50 (you can get 7/4 in places).

100/30 for the stoppage appeals to me. ;)

Theres way too many if and buts about this match up for me to try to make an educated guess. As good as they both are they have never been in the same circles, and we havnt even got past opponants to compare.

Not that it will stop me making a prediction. And mine is Freddie Roach will throw in the towel in the 10th. Or maybe the ref will step in. I dont see Pacman flat on his back being counted out but Hatton will stop him in the 10th.

Im leaning towards Pac, with Hattons chances depending on Pac's body being too vulnerable due to the size disadvantage, which is pretty much what everyone says. Very difficult to call.

Pac's improved his footwork over the last couple of years and can get in and out very well, he should be able to avoid Hatton's rushes for the most part while getting his own work in as Hatton isn't effective on the backfoot himself. Of course all that is null and void if the few shots that do get through from ricky prove to be enough.

I got 6/1 Hatton on points.

6/4 is incredible odds for a 2 horse race which many in the boxing world consider a 50/50 fight.

Walking past the bookmakers yesterday i did indeed decide to put my money where my mouth is and lay 30 quid on a hatton win and 20 quid on hatton to get him in the 8th round.

Hatton is going to throw the heavier punches on the night thats pretty much a given - if you care to look at the weigh in tonight while manny will look slim and toned hattons completely beefed at 140 pounds and his body fits the weight an absoloute dream.

The only way i see hatton getting caught out tommorow night is if he indeed attempts to box manny instead of his usual toe to toe style which in this fight i see manny not being able to cope with for too long.

• If it goes the 12 which i extremely doubt then its hatton all the way as he`ll be far too busy to not get it on the cards
• If it becomes an out an out brawl its hattons again
• If its a boxing contest and hatton tries to slip and slide the master of the moving punch then its pacquiaos to lose and hatton will get stopped
• If its a combination of the both above again i just see hatton being able to eventually walk through mannys speedshots and get off his own to far greater effect

As the fight draws closer i definitely find my undoubted confidence in a hatton TKO wavering through anticipation and nerves. But if i close off and analyse the fight as a mutual spectator i just get the feeling hattons just gonna be too strong at the weight!!

My boxing brain is telling me I have no fucking clue who is going to win this one... but my english heart is screaming Hatton will win it. :confused:

Nope. Not one doubt in my mind Hatton is gonna smash this clown and bring his groupies back down to earth. Not one doubt at all.

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Nope. Not one doubt in my mind Hatton is gonna smash this clown and bring his groupies back down to earth. Not one doubt at all.

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Just for my enlightenment,since when did PACQUIAO become a clown???

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Nope. Not one doubt in my mind Hatton is gonna smash this clown and bring his groupies back down to earth. Not one doubt at all.

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Just for my enlightenment,since when did PACQUIAO become a clown???

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When he dressed like a French homosexual and started giggling like a schoolgirl during the staredown....;D

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Nope. Not one doubt in my mind Hatton is gonna smash this clown and bring his groupies back down to earth. Not one doubt at all.

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Just for my enlightenment,since when did PACQUIAO become a clown???

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When he dressed like a French homosexual and started giggling like a schoolgirl during the staredown....;D

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On the Vegas press conference? yeah!lol

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Just for my enlightenment,since when did PACQUIAO become a clown???

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When he dressed like a French homosexual and started giggling like a schoolgirl during the staredown....;D

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On the Vegas press conference? yeah!lol

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Yep, that's it. Seemed to be wearing a beret or something. Both fighters have strange tastes in head gear.

Yeah I really got no idea as well.. It's being a bit ignorant to say that either fighter has an advantage because of a certain quality they have.. Because they other has something that is equally dominant on the right night...

The only sort of prediction of made is that if it goes 12 rounds, I think Hatton just on work rate and coming forward would be enough to get the judges favour.. Pac is not as good counter puncher as Mayweather or like a cotto vs Margarito for the first 6 rounds... So if Hatton is in there for 12 rounds, he's going to make a lot of them count, and Pac won't be able to steal them back through combination of effective defence and counter punching... That being said though, that is a one track view of the result of the fight, and those 2 fighters in there for 12 single rounds could hold absolutely anything...

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When he dressed like a French homosexual and started giggling like a schoolgirl during the staredown....;D

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On the Vegas press conference? yeah!lol

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Yep, that's it. Seemed to be wearing a beret or something. Both fighters have strange tastes in head gear.

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IMO both fighters are ready to take their respective hats off to the winner,after the fight.They seem to be good sports.We Filipinos have the utmost respect for the Englishmen.Tony Blair was a recent visitor in Manila.And boy,how he wowed the Filipinos..

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Originally Posted by leftylee

I got 6/1 Hatton on points.

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Where did u get those odds?

I picked Manny to beat Oscar, I thought Hoya looked done in the Forbes fight, I picked Manny against Diaz as I thought Diaz was a champion but not the best and he is a bit slow and crude in his style, I like Manny and if he wasn't fighting Ricky I would be supporting him but in this fight I just think Hatton has the tools to do a proper job on him.

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I got 6/1 Hatton on points.

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Where did u get those odds?

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Ladbrokes.

I don't know if they have Ladbrokes shops in the US but you can most probs bet online being in the US.

Either guy can win and that's what great about this fight. Hatton has come off of fighting floyd and paulie so manny's speed isn't gonna be as big a deal as most think. Manny did absolutly great against hoya but didn't really hurt him knock him down etc....with him being as drained and a shell of himself as being claimed i'm not sure how manny's power will play out either. Who knows is a good pick but if forced i'd go with hatton. The guy needs another vote with everyone making it seem in the media that the fight is already over.

I've tentatively gone for Manny but i'm praying for a Hatton win. I won't even enjoy the fight, i get far too nervous. I'll enjoy watching the re-run should he win.

Part of me thinks he'll batter Hatton much the same way as he did Diaz, but part of me thinks Hatton is levels above Diaz and he will flatten Pacquaio.

Feck knows. It's a pick em. I can normally only really see one winner in a fight....but this one and to an extent the Froch - Taylor fight is tough to call.

If I had to bet my house, I think the sensible money would be on the stronger Hatton to wear Pacquiao down, that is the logical betting mans pick but fans and compatriots will have biased views.

It makes me laugh, every time I see anything sycophantic for Manny Pacquiao, I scroll up a bit and there it is, a Phillipino flag in the posters profile;D

Manny is good but logic says the stronger man wins, Ricky has 1 loss to Floyd Mayweather and Manny has 3 losses and 2 kos against him, he isnt unbeatable.

I do see Rickys head getting snapped back a few times early.

Just for Saddoboxer and so there can be no confusion on my position, I say Hatton by stoppage - probably late on.

I'll be back to take my lumps if I'm wrong.

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Pac is not as good counter puncher as Mayweather or like a cotto vs Margarito for the first 6 rounds...

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I somehow think Pac is a good counter puncher. Just remember his fights vs JMM and Morales. Even when Pac was going on the backpedal he still threw punches at will. He has been connected and on wobbly legs with body and punches to the jaw but managed to keep his composure.

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Hatton has come off of fighting floyd and paulie so manny's speed isn't gonna be as big a deal as most think

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Good points Mar. I was having my doubts about Ricky facing guys with speed but we have to consider something too. Sure, Paulie had the speed and all but lacked the punching power. Now, put a guy as fast as Paulie (or maybe more) and add to that some punching power and we have Pac.

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Manny did absolutly great against hoya but didn't really hurt him knock him down etc....with him being as drained and a shell of himself as being claimed i'm not sure how manny's power will play out either

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True. Considering how Oscar was drained, old, passed his prime, blah blah blah. Manny should have knocked him out. Oscar was not even throwing punches so it was smart from his corner to just stop right there. It was useless to keep going.

I don't see this fight lasting 12 rounds. Neither fighter is about to run around the ring to win this fight on points.

I see Hatton using his jab early on in the fight. I also see Pacquiao doing the same thing. Once someone lands a good shot I see a total change in the fight. The problem is when is it going to happen. I say it happens at by the end of the first round. The second round depends on who lands the most shots in the first making the other fighter respect them more. The fighter that shows the most respect in the fight will be the loser. If neither fighter is able to avoid getting hit, the conditioning and the chin are going to be a major factor.

I say Pacquiao has the upper hand in the fight by the end of the 5th round. I say he catches Hatton with one by the end of the 7th.

"He's just to fuk'n fast!".

Pac has never fought anyone quite like Hatton, except for Marquez. I also feel he lost both fights to him. Morales, Barrera, Oscar where done. Sadly those fights are where Pac got popular. I still think Pac is a great fighter because he puts up close fights with marquez (atleast the 1st one). That being said I FEEL HATTON WILL COMPLETELY OVERPOWER PAC AND STOP HIM IN THE MIDDLE ROUNDS 8, or 9. Hatton will be too heavy, and too powerful, while pac has the speed it will be neutrilise and hatton will be on par with him. Im very confident hatton will pull this out its a feeling i have, same feeling when hopkins beat pavlik and most people doubted me. Same when hopkins beat tarver and most doubted me. Same when ghost beat taylor etc. Come may 2 Ricky will shock the non-believers! Let's go Manchester Mexican!!!

Backin Hatton all the way.I see pacman getting off good shots early on but Hattons strength really start affecting manny in a few rounds. I think he gets stopped 7th round or after. up to then im expecting a bit of a tear up.

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Either guy can win and that's what great about this fight. Hatton has come off of fighting floyd and paulie so manny's speed isn't gonna be as big a deal as most think. Manny did absolutly great against hoya but didn't really hurt him knock him down etc....with him being as drained and a shell of himself as being claimed i'm not sure how manny's power will play out either. Who knows is a good pick but if forced i'd go with hatton. The guy needs another vote with everyone making it seem in the media that the fight is already over.

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You make a good point there, Oscar was in such bad shape you would have expected a knock down or a KO, Oscar did always have a great chin though.

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No I can't do that.

I've been running my mouth about Hatton too much. But I do agree that it can go either according to whoever gets it right.

I'm looking forward to mocking the Pac fans, but I'm also fearful of looking like a big spastic.

Either way, may the best....Ricky Hatton win! :D

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Im with Miles on this.. But I will say after the breking news of Mayweather coming out of retirement, I would love to see nothing more than Floyd defeating JMM and then completely outclassing a victorious Pac over Hatton...

Do I use my fan cheering positive energy for good.... or for evil personal gain :headscratch:

In a way this is kind of asking people if their man enough to sit on the fence

I am man enough to hedge my bets usually but here I'll go with the Pacman, he is simply the man and he has great totally rational fans.

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In a way this is kind of asking people if their man enough to sit on the fence

I am man enough to hedge my bets usually but here I'll go with the Pacman, he is simply the man and he has great totally rational fans.

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No not at all Ouma, you will see many people on here who sit on the fence by saying fighter A will win OR fighter B will win and then come on after and say they were right, it is amazing how often this happens on here, a poster will just give two scenario's and claim they called it however it goes down.

No this thread is about manning up and saying beforehand that you have no idea how this fight is going to go, and thus giving up any bragging rights or trying to predict several outcomes and then claiming you called when one of those outcomes is correct.

I am boldly saying I have no clue who will win this, and as such no matter what the result I cannot come on here after and say 'I told you so!'


That's why its a real man's prediction :cool:

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Pac is not as good counter puncher as Mayweather or like a cotto vs Margarito for the first 6 rounds...

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I somehow think Pac is a good counter puncher. Just remember his fights vs JMM and Morales. Even when Pac was going on the backpedal he still threw punches at will. He has been connected and on wobbly legs with body and punches to the jaw but managed to keep his composure.

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Hatton has come off of fighting floyd and paulie so manny's speed isn't gonna be as big a deal as most think

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Good points Mar. I was having my doubts about Ricky facing guys with speed but we have to consider something too. Sure, Paulie had the speed and all but lacked the punching power. Now, put a guy as fast as Paulie (or maybe more) and add to othat some punching power and we have Pac.

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Manny did absolutly great against hoya but didn't really hurt him knock him down etc....with him being as drained and a shell of himself as being claimed i'm not sure how manny's power will play out either

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True. Considering how Oscar was drained, old, passed his prime, blah blah blah. Manny should have knocked him out. Oscar was not even throwing punches so it was smart from his corner to just stop right there. It was useless to keep going.

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good points bro..very unbiased. about manny knocking out oscar. it could have happend if the figt was to continue on. i didnt expect and i dont expect manny to knock out oscar with one punch. oscar has a very good chin. he took shots from mayorga, trinidad, vargas among others and didnt go down. but that constant battering would have led to the ko if nacho didnt stop the fight.

My Prediction Is:

If Hatton comes out no holds barred, like the hatton of old, it's a 50-50 fight and he has a very big chance of winning.

If he comes out trying to fight cute like Floyd Sr is trying to teach him, he will get picked off and beaten up.

You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Hatton has to use his strengths and his instincts to have a solid chance.

If he comes in thinking "defense", it means he is thinking to much and will not find any groove at all.

After seeing the weigh-in, I got more convinced that this is gonna be a one-sided victory for Pac.

will still stand my prediction for a hatton 8th round stoppage win. has never lost at 140 pounds and I think that run will continue. should be a hell of a fight though