Yes ....i hope Bob Arum gives VALERO a chance to fight Manny before the December fight of Manny vs. Cotto.A non title fight for 10 rounds at 140lbs ,set by September will be perfect.Perhaps this can be a good tune up match for MANNY.
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Yes ....i hope Bob Arum gives VALERO a chance to fight Manny before the December fight of Manny vs. Cotto.A non title fight for 10 rounds at 140lbs ,set by September will be perfect.Perhaps this can be a good tune up match for MANNY.
Okey to make this thread interesting;IMO Valero can match Manny's power punches.To me this is a 50/50 fight and a much more excitingly brutal than last night.I have been salivating for this fight to happen since last year.
Manny invited Valero to his bday party last December.I hope he invites Valero in September atop the ring.
Lets give young guns a chance to prove themselves.Dont say "no fan base",just let the fight happen.Manny dont need the money now,i guess.
I think Valero is to open and goes byebye inside 2 rounds like Ricky.
I think in this fight,the one who gets hit first, by a combi will fall.Valero will not need to go for the body punches to down MANNY.Valero will fight from a distance,which i think will be a problem for MANNY...Just a bit of a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Valero is too insignificant right now for Pac to fight. But maybe he will give Valero the chance MAB gave him. I just don't see Valero winning against Pac at this point.
Am not saying VALERO is sure to win vs.PAC,but he can give him a good fight.This fight if ever will happen this year will really prove PAC'S worth as he will fight a younger opponent.A lot are talking that pac is fighting only old guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by titleist905t
younger yes but talent wise? after pac finishes valero people will say "ehhh he is a nobody anyway" what will pac gain from that?
Valero...out cold in the first 30 seconds! End of story, not on the same level at all.
IMO,Valero can spring some surprises.How many years was VALERO calling out for MANNY.The fight could have been realized in MACAU,sometime two years ago. But the nego fell,for what reasons,we dont know.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
Why was Valero invited to the bday party of MANNY'S last December.All expenses free at that.A press con was held in cebu after the party and VALERO WAS ASKED WHO HE WANTS TO FIGHT NEXT?His answer....JMM.
Strange really.....why no longer Manny? why?
BTW how come you know VALERO is not in the level of PAC?no fight between them has happened yet.Do not be judgemental.Remember KHAN was koed by UNKNOWN Presscot lately.
KHAN was koed by an unkonwn Prescot.bear that in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Khan is an unknown himself. He is nothing at this point, he is not an awesome fighter and definitely has not proved to be anything else. Pacman on the other hand is an awesome fighter. He has more skill in his left hand then Khan has in his entire body. Comparing Khan to pacman is like comparing apples to bananas.Quote:
Originally Posted by happytripKHAN was koed by an unkonwn Prescot.bear that in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
You are so presumptious with your analysis.Are you in any way connected to Bob Arum?Or any bigtime promoter for that matter? Please dont get me wrong,i really think youre a boxing guru.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeyKhan is an unknown himself. He is nothing at this point, he is not an awesome fighter and definitely has not proved to be anything else. Pacman on the other hand is an awesome fighter. He has more skill in his left hand then Khan has in his entire body. Comparing Khan to pacman is like comparing apples to bananas.Quote:
Originally Posted by happytripKHAN was koed by an unkonwn Prescot.bear that in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakey
Manny destroys Valero. Valero has no defence and is too slow. Manny seems to have grown into 140 quite quickly too.
remains to be seen.im hoping the fight will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
pre i believe valero is under arum or trains at the wildcard gym. thats why he is around pac lately.
the fight at macau didnt happen cause diaz, odlh is a better choice for pac. you got to understand also that there is a line of fighters eager to fight pac. and if you rank all of them valero is in last both in skill and profitabilty.
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Originally Posted by happytripremains to be seen.im hoping the fight will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
fight wont happen at this point, not enough money to be made for pac or arum
also valero lasts 3 rounds at the very most, not fast enough and his defence will lead to him being KTFO
I know Valero is on Arum's fold pre.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
Based on your info,i can understand that my requested fight is not likely to happen...thank you pre,maybe that is why Valero says he wants JMM ,in cebu presscon.
Nevertheless,i strongly believe VALERO is a worthy opponent for MANNY.Thing is he has no fan base and other elements for profitability.Well this is reality,this is pro boxing.
Valero has no head movement at all.
He hasn't needed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION
hasnt fought anyone who was good enough to exploit it yet ...
If rumors that VALERO vs. Presscot will happen in july,i am hoping for a VALERO win.And i wish he gets attention for his feat.
Problem is he is not allowed to fight in NEVADA???
I forgot to inform that the MACAU figth did not push thru,because the PACQUIAO camp considers Valero dangerous.That is the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
In addition,the time that Arum was offering the Macau fight to Manny,it was still in the stage that manny was choosing who will be his promoter,Oscar or Arum.IMO,arum was out to kick out Manny from the elite group of boxers .Since no assurance of getting Manny into his fold,might as well destroy him.And VALERO ,is capable of doing this.But in the course of the shakey negos,somehow MANNY and ARUM have come to terms.I guess the settlement was consumated with the help of Wakee Salud,an Arum confidante and adviser to MANNY.
This is my side of the story.btw Wakkee Salud is the big chinese looking guy seen always in the ring on MANNY'S FIGHTS.
Mind you,Valero was always hired as sparring partner to almost all of PAC's opponents.Barrera,Morales,JMM,ODLH,to name a few.Thing is he keeps on hurting these guys in sparing;result is he always lose his job.Have you heard stories of VALERO battering the 4 mentioned boxers in spar sessions?
Well these are unconfirmed stories,thing is he always seem to be fired out as a sparmate to these guys.
See?
my wakee salud interview ,almost two years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZXrt8jHZA
There would be no money in fighting Valero. No one outside of boxing fans know who he is.
Plus, Valero is in no way shape or form ready for Manny. He might be exposed once he fights a name rather than an elite fighter or even a decent one.
Let us give the guy a chance,even in this forum only...let us wait for his next fight,hopefully against a seeded one like PRESSCOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Manny was afforded the chance by Barrera,remember?
Saying it is good for promoting Valero, actually coming around to fruition that a whole different story.
#1. It would totally crash Valero's potential with so many blows to the head, not to mention the health issue.
#2. He would get a crap payday for facing the #1 P4P guy on the Planet. Too much risk and not enough reward.
#3 While Valero has power, he doesn't have the ringmanship experience to be in the same ring as Manny and a whole list of fighters.
#4 The venue would be crap.
I could go on but that should be enough........
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Time will tell who is right....this thread closed !thanks to all posters.
Pac has to give this guy a shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c_Y62LF8a0
Oh no! it's zzzzzzzzz end for pac!
Pacquiao would pick Valero apart.
Easy win for the Pacman.
Mate have you seen valero fight? Hes not the most defensive minded boxer of all time. Hes all offence, did you see what happened to ricky hatton who tried just offence. You dont beat pac by standing back and exchanging bombs because pacman is going to hit you first and hit you hard. Valero is wide open and would be picked off easily. From what i judged from his last fight, he stands up too straight which pacs left hand would love and is quite wild which would leave so many nice openings for a lightning fast right hook from pacman. This is coming from someone who doesnt mind pac but isnt his biggest fan, i just generally think send valero against pac coz he has power is like sending a bull against a crocodile coz the bull can hit hard...wat else does it have to help its chances?Quote:
Originally Posted by happytripYou are so presumptious with your analysis.Are you in any way connected to Bob Arum?Or any bigtime promoter for that matter? Please dont get me wrong,i really think youre a boxing guru.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeyKhan is an unknown himself. He is nothing at this point, he is not an awesome fighter and definitely has not proved to be anything else. Pacman on the other hand is an awesome fighter. He has more skill in his left hand then Khan has in his entire body. Comparing Khan to pacman is like comparing apples to bananas.Quote:
Originally Posted by happytrip
yep wakee salud the same guy who screwed pac over money! lucky him pac didnt sue him at all.
back then when valero pac was a buzz i posted here in saddo that anyone has a punchers chance. it only takes one clean punch and the fight is over. valero should work his way to the top first b4 he deserves the right to fight pac.
pac beating valero wont add points to his legacy if he beats valero everyone will say well he beat a nobody, losing to valero wont harm pacs legacy too. so what will pac,boxing and us get out from this fight?
I have closed this thread and let time decide who among us here posts what is credible.But since you continue to qoute and post here,i deem it necessary to post back.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
First i would like to clarify ,at what instance did Wakee Salud touched Manny's cash surreptiously as you alleged?Maybe you are referring to some other personality.I have never known Wakee to be that smalltime as you picture him here.
And here is the latest about VALERO...
Edwin Valero Claims a Fight With Manny Pacquiao is a Lock
Posted by: Mark Vester on 05-06-2009.
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By Mark Vester
WBC lightweight champion Edwin Valero (25-0, 25KOs) says that a fight with Manny Pacquiao is a lock to happen in the future. As part of his deal to sign a promotional contract with Top Rank, Valero was guaranteed a crack at Pacquiao down the line and says the only way the fight won't happen is if Pacquiao retires.
"My fight with Manny Pacquiao is signed. It was one of the conditions that I gave to my manager, Jose Castillo, for me to sign with Bob Arum. This is something that he has not revealed to the press because the fight is not mandatory, in case Pacquiao walks away. But that is the only way to avoid the fight, if he leaves boxing. So I am relaxed and working to build my name for my opportunity. It was something was spoken about with Pacquiao and he said yes. That was in January," Valero said to SNOV.
Valero says that he will put up a much better fight than Ricky Hatton, who was stopped by Pacquiao in two rounds last Saturday in Las Vegas.
"For now I imagine that they are going to fight the winner of Floyd Mayweather and Juan Manuel Marquez, but none of those fighters have the power to surpass his defense. II would be able to offer a much better fight than the one Hatton did. I only hope that Pacquiao gives me the opportunity. I would have no problem in moving up in weight to fight him," Valero said.
Valero is scheduled to return on July 25 in Mexico. His rumored opponent is Breidis Prescott, but he would rather face Joel Casamayor or Juan Diaz.
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"World Boxing Council president Jose Sulaiman yesterday urged Filipino ring icon Manny Pacquiao to fight for a belt and not let no one, whose only interest is to earn money, surrounds him. Sulaiman did not say though who is or are manipulating Pacquiao.”
OBVIOUSLY,WAKEE SALUD IS THE CULPRIT HERE.HE IS THE CLOSE FRIEND AND ILL-ADVISER OF PACMAN.HE DO NOT WANT PACMAN TO FIGHT FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP LIKE WHAT HE DID TO HIS WARDS BECAUSE A PURSE CUT REQUIRED IN A CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT IS A CUT TO HIS MANAGER'S SHARE.
WAKEE SALUD HAS NOT PRODUCED A WORLD CHAMPION FOR MANY YEARS NOW. HERE ARE HIS MANY WRONGDOINGS IN BOXING WORLD:
1.)ONLY LAST 2003 WHEN PACMAN LAST HELD A LEGITIMATE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP AND ONLY HOLD NOW THE WBC INTERNATIONAL BELT.A WBC INTERNATIONAL FIGHT REQUIRES NO PURSE UNLIKE A LEGITIMATE BOXING CROWN CROWN THAT IS WHY HE PREFERRED PACMAN NOT TO FIGHT FOR IT SO THAT WAKEE WILL STILL GET HIS HUGE MANAGER' SHARE.
2.) WAKEE WILL SPOIL PACMAN FIGHT AGAINST JUAN DIAZ BECAUSE JUAN DIAZ IS THE CURRENT WBA-IBF-WBO CHAMPION AND FIGHTING AGAINST HIM, THESE THERE WORLD BOXING BODIES(WBA,IBF,WBO) WILL REQUIRE THEIR SHARES.IMAGINE THEN HOW MUCH WILL BE LEFT FOR THE MANAGER'S SHARE OF WAKEE SALUD!
3.)HE ARRANGED A FIGHT OF GEJON AGAINST A TOUGH AND UNDEFEATED TEKKEIN PROMOTION OF JAPAN BOXER TO ENRICH HIS JAPANESE CONNECTION KNOWING THAT GEJON JUST FOUGHT AFTER A MONTH AND ILL PREPARED FOR THE FIGHT.HE IS FEEDING HIS WARDS TO THE LION'S JUST TO GET HIS MANAGER'S SHARE.
4.)HE PREVENTED JIMREX JACA TO FIGHT AGAINST MARQUEZ FOR THE WBO CHAMPIONSHIP BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT HIS MANAGER'S SHARE,HOWEVER,JACA PERSISTED AND FOUGHT AGAINST MARQUEZ ALTHOUGH LOST,BUT STILL MADE SALUD UNHAPPY BECAUSE HE GOT LESSER SHARE ON THAT CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT.
5.)HE LET HIS BOXERS LIE AROY, A.SUICO,SOLLANO FIGHT IN AFRICA,WHO ALL LOST AS EXPECTED, TO ENRICH HIS AFRICAN CONNECTION WHERE AFRICAN BOXERS FIGHT OUR BOXERS TO PAD THEIR RECORDS AND WHILE THE VERDICT IS PREDETERMINED ALREADY BECAUSE OF POPULAR HOMETOWN DECISION IN AFRICA,HIS MANAGER'S SHARE ALSO IS ASSURED.
6.) HE LET HIS BOXERS FIGHT ONLY FOR THE REGIONAL BELTS LIKE LUNAS,OPBF BANTAM TITLE HOLDER AND SANTILLAN,THE OPBF WELTER KING,BECAUSE THERE IS NO PURSE REQUIRED IN FIGHTING FOR THE REGIONAL BELT.IT PREVENTED THEM TO BECOME WORLD CHAMPIONS WHEN THEY HAVE THE POTENTIALS AND SKILLS.
7.) HE WAS ACCUSED TO BE BEHIND THE INACTIVITY OF MALCOLM TUÑACAO,THE FORMER WBC CHAMPION.TUÑACAO LAST FOUGHT AGAINST LUNAS,WAKEE SALUD'S WARD FORTHE OPBF BANTAM TITLE AND AFTER THAT TUÑACAO WAS NO LONGER ACTIVE IN BOXING.IT WAS PERCEIVED THAT TUÑACAO WAS A THREAT TO HIS BOXERS.TUÑACAO ALSO LONG REIGNED AS THE OPBF CHAMP AND DEFENDED IT MANY TIMES IN JAPAN.NOW LUNAS IS FEEDING ON PATSY JAPANESE BOXERS.
just heard it a couple of years back, and i was harsh on saying that he indeed stole money from pac.
The above are all allegations IMO.These were never proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
Anyway,Valero is now 4th on the short list of PACMAN'S next opponent.Just one stroke of magic and.....lol btw venue is gearing towards MACAU.
I don't think this fight would ever happen. Pacquiao is only going to be involved in superfights for the rest of his career (which he won't be in for that much longer). Fights with Mayweather, Cotto, Mosley, Marquez are the only fights I see Pacquiao taking before he calls it quits.
Valero would have to beat A LOT of names within a short period of time to gain any sort of chance to get a Manny fight. Looking at his history of opponents, he's got a lot of ground to make up. Plus, I think he'll get exposed along the way, which is why I personally don't think this will ever happen.
Who would ever imagine the first fight between Pacquiao vs. Barrera would happen that time.Who would ever believe the fight between DeLA HOYA vs.PACQUIAO would ever happen.
The same situation,the same questions....???
Pacman had way more quality oppenent than Valero before Pac fought Marco the first time. This is why Marco had to fight him. Did you think Marco was Pacs first U.S fight or first quality oppenent? Pac was making a name for himself here at the states thats why he got the Marco fight. Plus Marco had little choice to fight, nobody wanted to fight JMM at the time and a third Eric fight was the only big fight for marco at the time. Compare it to Pac situation now, Pac has so much options; Cotto,Mosley, Floyd, JMM all huge fights. Valero is not a big fight for Pac, Soto has a better chance of being a Pac tune up fight than Valero. Theres more story to sale with Soto then there is with Valero. However I doubt pac will take any tune up matches, he only gets big fights now. Do you get the point yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by happytrip
You made me smirk with your last question sentence......All you posters here just keep on saying quality that,no defense,not marketable,no fan base...etc etc...All these are crap to me mainly because i knew for a fact that Arum was delivering the contract to PACMAN for him to fight VALERO in MACAU,TWO YEARS AGO OR SO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPacman had way more quality oppenent than Valero before Pac fought Marco the first time. This is why Marco had to fight him. Did you think Marco was Pacs first U.S fight or first quality oppenent? Pac was making a name for himself here at the states thats why he got the Marco fight. Plus Marco had little choice to fight, nobody wanted to fight JMM at the time and a third Eric fight was the only big fight for marco at the time. Compare it to Pac situation now, Pac has so much options; Cotto,Mosley, Floyd, JMM all huge fights. Valero is not a big fight for Pac, Soto has a better chance of being a Pac tune up fight than Valero. Theres more story to sale with Soto then there is with Valero. However I doubt pac will take any tune up matches, he only gets big fights now. Do you get the point yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by happytrip
That is why this thread is for Arum to give the chance to the poor boxer that he used before as a chesspone to get to manage MANNY...