I agree with this chap about Hatton

Just read this fellas view on Hatton and totally agree with him so thought i'd share it in here rather than some of the pricks sticking their comments in over on the main board.
Think he's nailed it really :cool:


Dan (Manchester):07 May 2009 12:05 cont...Another trainer with new methods? Hatton can't change. He's embarrassed but that'll subside. Is it worth trying to please his fans for a fight that will do nothing for his reputation. All he cared about in the end was this p4p No1 myth. I cant see any motivation left.Mayweather was his dream - he lost, he questioned himself, questioned his desire, whether he was past it...Manny was his 2nd chance, he rejuvinated himself and got belief from the Paulie fight and his new trainer. His dream has shattered. Motivation to train to such an extent??? Nothing will motivate him the same ever again.
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Dan (Manchester):07 May 2009 12:04 cont...Many more will fancy their chances now. You can't walk through punches forever.
I don't see any point on keep fighting in the hope that one day you actually carry out a game plan a trainer sets out. He could go on forever until that day comes but I think health has to come first. Floyd Snr said Hatton didn't stick to any of the plan (though at large it was supposed to be relentless pressure)..albeit behind the jab and head movement. Hatton has no belts now, Ring Magazine belt gone, IBO - quite meaningless in the first place. Marquez v Mayweather (p4p elite) loser at this stage could see him taking yet more punishment. Or a meaningless fight for the sake of trying to end on a high v Katsidis or Witter...is it worth it?
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Dan (Manchester):07 May 2009 12:04 My issue - Why fight Katsidis, Khan or Witter- Hatton has fought for years the same way. It's too late in the day in my opinion to change his style. He talked about tactics and a game plan for the Malignaggi fight and I think the ease he had in beating Paulie probably fooled a lot of people. He did jab slightly more but Paulie has no punch and Hatton resorted largely to walking through his jabs and pressure fighting as he does best. He was supposed to jab and move and test Manny out first but this 'I'm stronger' talk got the better of him and he thought he could walk through Pac's punches. Truth is Pac was too quick and employed his game plan perfectly (Roach deserves credit where it's due). I also believe Hatton's punch resistence is on the slide. He was KO'd by Mayweather and rocked by Lazcano (never a big puncher).

His further brutal KO at the hands of Pac shows chin's don't last forever. Hatton is too predictable and his flaws have been exposed by two elite fighters.

yeah thats spot on... thing is i think Ricky has become too greedy to retire.

the more i think about it the more i see the hatton khan fight really happening.

easy money in rickys eyes.

another fading champ in khan and warrens eyes.

they both got history of the above its a no brainer you watch this fight being promoted as a retirement fight within the next 3 months.

100% sure of this... unless Khan loses he next one.

We wont see the witter fight... which is a big shame IMO

I'm hearing Katsidis wants it with Hatton which is a danger at this stage of Ricky's career.
They'd tear each others faces to pieces and he def doesn't want to go in with a tear up merchant health wise.
Think the Khan fight will happen too and i bet a lot of money that Warren will push and push for this and have Khan call him out etc just for revenge;)

Would be huge and could sell out Eastlands (Man Citys ground) with ease.

Would really fancy Khans chances too especially with Roach in his corner and think he'd run rings round Hatton these days.

HUGE UK fight but if Witter wins his title fight as mandatory he could bait Ricky too.

Let's not forget Hatton has No belts and will be out for what he can get now as the P4P "Legacy" fights are simply not gonna happen anymore.;)

Some good comments there. Hattons motivation and confidence must be shot almost as much as his chin appears to be. He seemed to genuinely believe he would do the job, and with the way he was talking it up he got me believing it too. But there were no changes and from what I saw he looked more out of his league than almost anybody Manny has been in with in many a year. It was shockingly poor.

I struggle to see a way back from that really. He will be pushing 31 towards the end of the year and appears to be a fighter on the wane. There is no point in a farewell fight IMO because it could turn out horribly. But if after seeing stars he is only seeing pound signs then he might do it. I would prefer it not to be Khan, Hatton would usually wipe the floor with him...but god knows what he would be like after that beat down. :-\

I think he will definately have a swansong at Eastlands or Wembley.

Knowing Rickys "lad next door" persona he'll be gutted for the fans who travelled and witnessed that in Vegas and will want to repay them on home soil as a farewell fight and way of appolagy.

He needs to that was shocking;D

So is this guy suggesting Ricky should retire? Must be a genius.. only 95% of the world share that view. ;D

Although I think he should quit we need to ask ourselves this.

If it was you and you had just had a humiliatingly brutal beating like that would you want that to be the last memory people had of you in the ring ?

If that was me there would be no way I could possibly leave on that note.

Whereas before Saturday we assumed Hatton would whoop Khan easily now we are not so sure. But Hatton will see it as winnable and a victory in the biggest domestic fight we have ever seen would be a good way to go out - if Khan holds the belt of course.

Katsidis doesn't sell in my book, non fight fans don't know him.

Can't believe I am going to have my fingers crossed that Khan wins on 27th June....:-\

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Although I think he should quit we need to ask ourselves this.

If it was you and you had just had a humiliatingly brutal beating like that would you want that to be the last memory people had of you in the ring ?

If that was me there would be no way I could possibly leave on that note.

Whereas before Saturday we assumed Hatton would whoop Khan easily now we are not so sure. But Hatton will see it as winnable and a victory in the biggest domestic fight we have ever seen would be a good way to go out - if Khan holds the belt of course.

Katsidis doesn't sell in my book, non fight fans don't know him.

Can't believe I am going to have my fingers crossed that Khan wins on 27th June....:-\

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I still hope Khan will lose TBH :p, but if he was to win I wouldn't mind seeing Hatton beat him down afterwards....that's if Hatton decides he's still got enough. I would really hate for him to lose to Khan though. There would be nothing worse than a farewell gone wrong. Still seething a bit about the Barrera fight! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Although I think he should quit we need to ask ourselves this.

If it was you and you had just had a humiliatingly brutal beating like that would you want that to be the last memory people had of you in the ring ?

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don't think it makes a difference mate... this will be with Ricky for life now, i think he'll be remembered for this pac fight, maybe ducking Witter. :-X and the KT fight will come into play.

doubt beating Khan will even be remembered if it happens.

think about it... take Naz he's mainly remembered now for losing to Barrera... avoiding JMM and maybe the kelly fight USA fans or Robinson fight UK fans.

no one mentions he left on a win over Calvo. ;)

sorry i seem to use Naz as a comparison with Hatton alot but there Career is almost a mirror image IMO.

Aye but Naz didn't lose in such devastating fashion though. What I tend to remember more than anything is the fact he bottled it and walked away without attempting to get back - he did have a rematch clause with MAB didn't he ??

I agree he won't be able to wipe that memory of the Pac defeat away but maybe a showpiece at a sellout Wembley will sweeten it for him a little - if he can stop Khan and not just squeak a points win.

I guess we can never fault Hatton for wanting to go in with the best.

Thinking about it if it's to be a stadium fight it can't take place any later than early October ??

When you've had your button pushed a couple of times the button is looser couple of elite fighters have sparked him ,he doesnt want a not so elite one doing the same.

Calvo was a complete nobody - that's why most people forget Naz even had that fight.

Khan-Hatton will still be massive in this country. If Ricky won it would definitely help erase the losses to Pac and Mayweather amongst the non-hardcore fan.

Problem is, what if Khan beats him? That will badly tarnish his standing in boxing. MOST will remember him as a guy that LOST every major fight.

(I'll mainly remember him for shamelessly ducking Witter too ;D)

that's the worry - if he loses !!!!

Yeah - I think there's a good chance he will lose too.

I don't see how he can recover mentally from that beating. I'll back any fighter (semi-decent) to KO him. He clung to the idea that he was too big and strong for anyone at 140. He's finished.

I don't see the point of him fighting anybody but Khan now honestly.

Even thought even at this point in his career he might still be able to beat Katsidis. Why bother though?

I bet Witter will still fight him... ;)

Course he will mate and let's not forget that Witter has a title fight coming up against Alexander for the WBC title.

Mad thing is Khan has a much bigger profile than Witter ever will even now.

Us lot would give Hatton more respect if he could rip that title from Witter as opposed to taking the WBA belt from the Khan v Kotelnik winner.

And Witter beat Kotelnik a few years back on points anyway;)

Ricky could shut alot of people up by facing Witter (if he wins).

This is Juniors take on the Khan fight....

Speaking with Setanta Sports News recently, Junior gave his prediction for the upcoming fight.

"I think he'll [Khan] get beat quite convincingly," Witter stated. "It'd be good for British boxing if he can do it but, realistically, he's been knocked out by a decent puncher at lightweight and now he's moving up to light-welterweight, where people are bigger and hit harder.

"Kotelnik is not a one-punch specialist but he's very accurate and is good at his job. He studies opponents, finds weaknesses and exploits it. Amir Khan's weak spot is his chin."

I'm with Fenster as i do believe Ricky is finished and the Malignagi peformance was a mere charade that made him look good.
Ricky's punch resistance simply isn't there anymore and he'll get hurt again if he continues sadly.


Billy Grahams view here....


Afterwards Graham told Boxing News: "I picked him to win big but I picked the real Ricky Hatton and he's not there any more.
"It happens to all fighters. He's still one of the best fighters to come out of this country and there's no question he's been the best ambassador for boxing in this country. I think a peak Ricky Hatton would have beaten Manny Pacquiao but now, anyone who loves him will tell him to retire. I don't want to see him in a boxing ring again."
Graham admitted his pre-fight prediction went badly awry, saying: "I've just been proved wrong."
But he added: "But I haven't in reality because he's not the same person any more.

I'm with Fenster as i do believe Ricky is finished and the Malignagi peformance was a mere charade that made him look good and Malignagi is dog shit imo.

Ricky's punch resistance simply isn't there anymore and he'll get hurt again if he continues sadly.

I think we were kidding ourselves on Sat purely because it was our "Ricky" and he's in our hearts.

I say this in hindsight of course and when it was made remember thinking "Fuck... he (Ricky) is gonna get battered here but as the fight nears you tend to get sucked in with all the 24/7 stuff etc and convince yourself he's still got one last great fight in him:-\

To be honest i think a lot of people are still a bit shocked at the way Pac put him to sleep so brutally.

I mean Hatton's been in with bigger hitters than Pac before which backs up the fact that he just can't take shots anymore.


Billy Grahams view here....


Afterwards Graham told Boxing News: "I picked him to win big but I picked the real Ricky Hatton and he's not there any more.
"It happens to all fighters. He's still one of the best fighters to come out of this country and there's no question he's been the best ambassador for boxing in this country. I think a peak Ricky Hatton would have beaten Manny Pacquiao but now, anyone who loves him will tell him to retire. I don't want to see him in a boxing ring again."
Graham admitted his pre-fight prediction went badly awry, saying: "I've just been proved wrong."
But he added: "But I haven't in reality because he's not the same person any more.[/quote]

Warren seems game too;D


"As a boxing fan, I would like to see Ricky Hatton retire right now," said Warren.

"He's made his money and its important that he remembers which bank it is in.

"But in my capacity as Amir Khan's representative, I'd make that fight for him."

Khan, 22, is now into the second week of a Stateside training camp with Freddie Roach.

Billy Graham talks sense there but before the fight he said Hatton would do Pac in 8 rounds, i know we all get fights wrong with our predictions now and again, but now Rickys been blasted out in two, Graham says he would never have let Ricky fight Pac after what he saw in the Lazcano fight fuck off Billy three weeks ago you were saying how Ricky would rip Pac a new one inside 8 rounds.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Billy Graham talks sense there but before the fight he said Hatton would do Pac in 8 rounds, i know we all get fights wrong with our predictions now and again, but now Rickys been blasted out in two, Graham says he would never have let Ricky fight Pac after what he saw in the Lazcano fight fuck off Billy three weeks ago you were saying how Ricky would rip Pac a new one inside 8 rounds.

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Yes, but he said that based on what he thought Ricky had left from an outside perspective, like we all have.

If he was in the gym with Ricky training for Malignaggi and seeing cracks appearing he would have encouraged Hatton to quit after. There are rumours that Hatton was dropped in sparring preparing for Manny too and wasn't looking very good for a fair while.

If Graham had that insight, and if we actually did too then many picks would have been far different.

Hatton prepared in a totally different way to normal against Manny and no excuses, but it seems to have detracted from his performance rather than added anything. Easy to say with hindsight. :-\

In all truth Miles, Ricky seems to have an excuse in every poor performance since he beat Kosta, its getting a bit boring now.

I think Hattons a nice guy but looking back its quite evident to see hes basically a great fighter who was limited at the very top.

Uranga and Lazcano performances poor said he had virus/chest infection, Collazo southpaw weight ajustments, Mayweather heart rules his head, Cortez blah blah, and finally Pac again heart ruling head and training camp didnt go well.

End of the day Hatton needs to hang them up, alot of people say where is the Hatton who fought the Tackie and Oliveras of this world, hes still there but the level of opponent doesnt let him look like a sugar ray robinson clone, Hattons had a great career but its time to hang them up.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

In all truth Miles, Ricky seems to have an excuse in every poor performance since he beat Kosta, its getting a bit boring now.

I think Hattons a nice guy but looking back its quite evident to see hes basically a great fighter who was limited at the very top.

Uranga and Lazcano performances poor said he had virus/chest infection, Collazo southpaw weight ajustments, Mayweather heart rules his head, Cortez blah blah, and finally Pac again heart ruling head and training camp didnt go well.

End of the day Hatton needs to hang them up, alot of people say where is the Hatton who fought the Tackie and Oliveras of this world, hes still there but the level of opponent doesnt let him look like a sugar ray robinson clone, Hattons had a great career but its time to hang them up.

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It does seem to be one performance after the other with accompanying excuses for what went on...in victory and defeat.

I agree really, it's been good while it lasted...could have been a little bit better. But the course is run.