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Was struggling with number 20, so put Bowe in, pretty sure he doesn’t deserve it!
Who have I missed??
THESE ARE NOT IN ORDER
1 Whitaker
2 JC Chavez
3 RJJ
4 R Lopez
5 PAC
6 Holyfield
7 B-Hop
8 Calzaghe
9 MAB
10 Morales
11 Lewis
12 PBF
13 De La Hoya
14 Nelson (Azumah)
15 Mosley
16 JMM
17 Toney
18 Trinidad
19 McCallum
20 Bowe
The difficulty of doing a list like this for the past 20 years is that there are so many you have to miss out, personally I would have wanted guys like Corrales, Winky Wright & Tszyu around there, but then who do you leave out?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Once I've had a think about it, I'll come up with a Top 10 for this decade only because if I have less choice I'll stick to the most obvious ones.
Good call on Tszyu in particular, I'd deffo stick him in my 20
Bowe shouldnt be anywere near a list like this.
Yes I did say that Alistair ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I suppose Tyson doesn't get on there b/c he got KTFO in 1989 by Douglas! Was he on there before then?
Definately Tszyu..
If it was since the 1980s, I'd have Tyson on there - although most probably wouldn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
there right just to hard to do ill give my top 5, calzage , r jones jr, kaysta , mayweather.pacman
Gavin Rees has to be in there . a fantastic Welsh fighter.
I'd have Castillo above Bowe, probably above Kostya too. I'm probably alone there, just think Kostya's overrated in a historical sense.
Winky deserves consideration. Carbajal, Chiquita Gonzalez, just listing some names. I feel like I'm forgetting somebody obvious too but six posts and nobody's come up with anything.
I think that was a bloody great list.... KT definitely needed to be in there, but other than that you are messing with semantics to chop and change guys in and out..
If a guy came onto the planet right now and said "I want to watch the 20 most notable P4P fighters of the last 20 years" he couldn't do too much worse than to take up that list..
Cheers fellaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
Riddick Bowe has only 1 marquee win in the 1990's: his first fight with Holyfield. After that he ducked Lewis, got out of shape, fought a couple of bums, lost to Holyfield, fought a couple of bums, then got smashed by Golata twice.
Sorry but Winky should be up there. IMO even Vitali Klitschko is better than Bowe and would have beaten him soundly.
Bowe would be in the top 20 for wasted talent !
That guy had the universe at his feet but enjoyed a steak too much !
He was loved in the Uk ad seemed a really good sportsman ,I remember he spent about a month over here !
Remember him presenting Sports personality awards , sitting ringside to watch Herbie Hide - Michael Muray and giving a great interview plus the bin episode , that was real exposure here what is was like in the states I don't know.
His decline was shocking even y boxing standards
I'd add Tszyu to the list but like Jaz I really can't pick one to drop exept for Bowe.
That is a cracking list BTW
Did you all miss the part where I said I couldn't think of number 20, so just put Bowe there even though he doesn't deserve it :confused:
Terry Norris deserves at least an honors mention IMO.
14 Nelson (Azumah)
It's a good thing you put Azumah there in brackets, else I would have thought you meant Johnny.
Anywaqys, not sure I'.d put Nelson in there, is best his best years were in the 80s, but he did have a couple decent years in the early 90s I suppose
Another top names that come to mind;
Tapia & "Too Sharp"
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
I remember that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington
I went to watch Hide -v- Murray & Riddick Bowe was there & he was a really nice guy!
I also remember a ringside interview after the Hide fight & Herbie was poking Riddick in the face, telling him where he's going to hit him when/if they fought in the future!:o
Bowe was so calm & didn't really react at all.:o
Pretty good list... On side note, PAC defeated 4 boxers in this list...;) That's pretty high considering this is a very elite list...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
yeh but did pac fight all those guys in there primes? i think not.
Probably not... that's why PAC either knocked them down, knocked them out or annihilated them coz they're not in their prime anymore... But still very impressive doing these things to elite great boxers... What do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
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Thats a sharp list Big H. Always a bit iffy on p4p lists,but I'd stick maybe a Carbajal,Orlando Canizales and maybe a just on the time line Khaosai Galaxy for consideration.Gotta go with Mick on Johnson too.
A few other candidates worth mentioning.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Michael Nunn
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Terry Norris
Orlando Canizales
Kostya Tszyu
Steve Collins
Johnny Tapia
Mark Johnson
Im not saying any of these names deserve a spot in the top 20, im just mentioning names you haven't mentioned which deserve a mention. And personally i think you could replace Riddick Bowe with any of the names i mentioned there.
never rated Steve Collins... made his name by beating a past prime Eubank and Benn... ducked the young new upcoming fighter Calzaghe BIGTIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I think he is a bit underrated Saddo, he did give Mike McCallum a tough fight while being only a novice. And he had close decision losses to good names like Reggie Johnson, Sumbu Kalambay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddonever rated Steve Collins... made his name by beating a past prime Eubank and Benn... ducked the young new upcoming fighter Calzaghe BIGTIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I think Steve Collins deserves alot of credit for beating Chris Eubank who was 41-0, with countless title defenses. Yes he wasn't at his 100 percent peak but i still think he was a good fighter and he was coming off one of his best performances against Henry Wharton.
Agreed about the Nigel Benn fights clearly Nigel Benn was shot to pieces, after the brutal war with Gerald McClellan. And a loss to Thulani Malinga.
Lastly about the Joe Calzaghe thing i heard somewhere that Steve Collins, passed out in sparring and had a detatched retina, and thats why he retired ? maybe someone could clarify that ?
no mate i'm about 80% sure that happened when he was going to make a comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
he retired before the Calzaghe fight because he said his heart wasn't in it anymore and only wanted to fight Roy Jones or somthing like that.... remember thinking at the time it was a piss poor excuse thats for sure ;)
Thanks for clearing that up mate i feel Steve Collins, may of been able to do drag Joe Calzaghe into deep waters and beat him with his extra experience, because remember Joe Calzaghe had never fought a 12 round prior to his fight with Chris Eubank i don't think and he was seriously inexperienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddono mate i'm about 80% sure that happened when he was going to make a comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
he retired before the Calzaghe fight because he said his heart wasn't in it anymore and only wanted to fight Roy Jones or somthing like that.... remember thinking at the time it was a piss poor excuse thats for sure ;)
I feel the fight would look similar to the Robin Reid fight, i noticed Joe Calzaghe doesn't do too well in those kind of fights as history shows against Kabary Salem, Sakio Bika, Bernard Hopkins, David Starie, ETC.
But a prime Joe Calzaghe i feel would of been too classy and fast for Steve Collins, and would of won a hard fought decision. Just a shame it never happened.
Ok, having thought about it, I've got it. My Top 10 for this decade (can't do back to 1990s) is:
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Marco Antonio Barrera
6. Shane Mosley
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Erik Morales
9. Joe Calzaghe
10. Winky Wright
Combination of talent & what they've done.
Narrowly missing out based on records:
Wlad & Vital Klitschko: the division has stagnated in their time & Vitali took too much time off.
Vernon Forrest: had some great wins but the KO against Mayorga hurt him how the Sanders fight hurt Wlad.
Jose Luis Castillo: was very close, but the way he has faded in the last few years means I had to leave him out.
Diego Corrales: lost some big fights, but was never in a bad one. If I did this again he might well get in there.
Roy Jones Jr, Lennox Lewis, Oscar De La Hoya, Felix Trinidad: Felt all these guys did their best work in the previous decade & have not been dominant enough throughout for me, whilst Lennox & Tito effectively were both done by 2002.
Probably still left someone out.
Actually bud, he did fight fight a prime Morales in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
3 titles in 3 weight classes and only 2 loses since 2000. 14 title defenses total... Jorge Arce at the very least deserves a mention IMO.
3 titles in 3 weight clases and only 2 very disputable loses since 2000.
11 title defenses total... Fernando Montiel also deserves a mention.
I knew I'd forget some of the little guys, as my knowledge of Featherweight & below has only really got better in the last year or so. I don't know enough about Arce or Montiel to have them in the ten best of the past decade, I couldn't even find a place for Izzy & Rafa who I forgot to mention. My top 8 is pretty solid but 9 & 10 I could easily replace.
I don't think Arce or Montiel make the top 10 but they would def. make the top 20-25.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I think Izzy & Rafa def. make top 15.
Out Bowe in TszyuQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
If Sweet Pea were a light heavyweight, Jones could never find him. Sorry Whitaker way better a fighter than RJJ. In my opinion of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Invincible
There were rumours that Collins was getting dropped by juniors in sparring before the JC fight and that's why he called it a day - probably rubbish, but that was the word around the camp fireQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddono mate i'm about 80% sure that happened when he was going to make a comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
he retired before the Calzaghe fight because he said his heart wasn't in it anymore and only wanted to fight Roy Jones or somthing like that.... remember thinking at the time it was a piss poor excuse thats for sure ;)
Nut-nut Eastman sparked Collins in sparring before his failed comeback attempt.