Mayweather and Judah are good buddies again!!....LOL

kinda weird isnt it, i mean mayweather bascially ruin zab's boxing career, after that fight he went throught alot

zab sign with mayweather promotions, and hes going to fight on the undercard of mayweathers comeback.

#1 - why did mayweather sign zab when theres so much more talent out there
#2 - how they make up..lol

this is on dan rafael's notebook.

i guess this year is beginning to look good for zab. he has a kid now, and hes got like a movie deal and signing with mayweather should be good...MAYBE

No. Cotto and Baldomir ruin Zab's career.

Floyd wants Zab for one reason. A fast handed Southpaw sparring partner to deal with a potential future opponent. I wonder who that could be?hehe

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No. Cotto and Baldomir ruin Zab's career.

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Zab ruined Zab's career.....And I don't think he ever got over getting knocked out twice with one punch by Kostya;D

If Mayweather trains with Judah for Pacquiao, then I can't see him losing. He will learn how to avoid that speed in a left cross, and I can't see Manny beating him any other way.

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If Mayweather trains with Judah for Pacquiao, then I can't see him losing. He will learn how to avoid that speed in a left cross, and I can't see Manny beating him any other way.

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Well it is not always that easy. Pac and Judah are totally different beasts. Pac gives far more angles and methods of delivering that left and seems to also like the right hook now.

It will help Floyd, as long as he does not start looking for that left only.

That right hook might land, but like fighting Cotto, you want to nullify that main weapon, the left hand. Manny throws it more offensively than Judah, but Judah throws it just as quick, and there are only so many angles you can throw a left cross from, and Judah actually throws it from most of them. I agree they are completely different beats, but its more the speed and the fact the left cross goes right between his guard that really gives Mayweather problems, and remember that Floyd only got caught when he was coming in against Judah, and Zab might be 1/10th the fighter Manny is but, but he is quicker off the line and he is a better counter puncher than Manny. Manny has a good right hook hook, but if you don't rush in or back away too much he doesn't land it with a ton of regularity, you won't see him landing it a ton in Pacquiao-Marquez or Pacquiao-Barrera II, even against Morales it isn't landed a whole lot except when he started taking over the fight and had Morales on the run.

Good. Maybe he can teach Floyd how to do the chicken dance. ;D

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Good. Maybe he can teach Floyd how to do the chicken dance. ;D

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Possible...;D Definitely PBF needs Judah in preparation for PAC...;)

Hope PBF will also get Paul Williams services just for the workrate and being southpaw too...;) At least we will see this match-up in sparring... Paul used to spar with Margacheato (and kicked Marg's ass too)...;D
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Paul Williams has the worst range control I"ve ever seen for somebody that tall and fast, I think Mayweather would pick him apart, the guy can't deal wtih movement or counterpunching.

Kosta runied Zabs career.

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Kosta runied Zabs career.

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He ruined it by beating Zab who then moved up and won the undisputed welterweight title?

I don't think Zab's career was a bad career at all by any stretch.

The problem is by now he should have accomplished more.

It's not that his career was ruined, his career has been good, but his career doesn't match what his talent was.

When it comes down to that aspect of his career it is and always shall be Zab's fault.

But his career was never "ruined" he won another title at 140 and became undisputed champ at 147, thats not a bad career. It's just not what it should have been, him being one of the most underachieving talents in boxing is his own fault. He did well to bounce back after the Tszyu loss and become and undisputed champ, but then he fell right back into it right when he looked like he'd matured. and thats his fault.

He beat Cory fucking Spinks big fucking deal!!!

Judah prior to Kosta fight was apparently the new Pernel Whittaker, so on that night he was exposed and has in all truth never been the same oh sorry apart from beating the HOF great Cory Spinks :rolleyes:.

Zab has been beaton at everytime he has stepped up.

I like Zab, but he has failed when it counted. He always had the skill, but didnt always have the will and ultimately thats his biggest downfall. A+ skills, C- Mentality= B fighter.

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Absolutely.

This wont do a thing to better Mayweathers chances. Judah's quick yes but like you said a totally diffferent fighter than Pac. If I were Zab this would be pretty degrading, I mean once world champion to Mayweathers sidekick?

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He beat Cory fucking Spinks big fucking deal!!!

Judah prior to Kosta fight was apparently the new Pernel Whittaker, so on that night he was exposed and has in all truth never been the same oh sorry apart from beating the HOF great Cory Spinks :rolleyes:.

Zab has been beaton at everytime he has stepped up.

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He was knocked down legitimately before the Tszyu fight, he never looked super great IMO except against no names.

all right i get it zab is not a fighters that reached his potential, and nevertheless his career right now is crap and may not go anyway,

but i think that even tho his career did not reach his potential he was in alot of entertaining fights, even when he lost.

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all right i get it zab is not a fighters that reached his potential, and nevertheless his career right now is crap and may not go anyway,

but i think that even tho his career did not reach his potential he was in alot of entertaining fights, even when he lost.

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I agree with that, and tbh there probably isn't another top-class (he was once at least) southpaw who is as close in speed, power & movement to Manny. Let's face it Manny will probably struggle to get a similar level of sparring, as the fighters closest in style & ability are Floyd Sr's and I can't see him doing Freddie Roach ANY favours.

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Good. Maybe he can teach Floyd how to do the chicken dance. ;D

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Possible...;D Definitely PBF needs Judah in preparation for PAC...;)

Hope PBF will also get Paul Williams services just for the workrate and being southpaw too...;) At least we will see this match-up in sparring... Paul used to spar with Margacheato (and kicked Marg's ass too)...;D
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don't see how Williams could really help PBF for Pac, he's way too tall, and fights nothing like Manny, Paul Williams smothers you with punches like Manny but in a completely different style, he gets in close and pops you with uppers or basically tries to measure you up for the 1-2, Pacquiao is in and out, smothers and retreats, i think Judah could help with the speed, the left, and even uppercuts, but not with the right hook, believe it or not i think Mosley would be great to help PBF to get ready for the fight, he's good at immitating styles like that and if you take apart Manny's style, it's in no way identical to Mosley's but does have some similarities, but we know that's not gonna happen

If Mayweather could get Judah as a sparring partner I would see no problems for Floyd. The only thing that concerns me about Pacquiao is that he is southpaw, nothing else. An orthodox Pac would be dead meat but the fact that he is southpaw makes problems. If Mayweather had a lightning-fast southpaw such as Judah to familiarize him with fighting southpaws and perfecting his technique against them I would have total confidence in Floyd pulling off a win.