will JMM-Floyd live up to the hype??

On paper it sounds like a fascinating contest. The warrior vs the technician, 2 established world greats in there own right.

But cant help but have this nagging feeling that floyd is gonna spoil whenever possible and look to do as little as possible in the 1st 6 and hope to pick marquez off in the later rounds. JMM on the other hand could become terribly frustrated by this and look to try and rough floyd up in order to get a trade off and things could become rather ugly for a good few rounds!

I dont envisage the diaz-marquez type war and can genuinely see potential flaws here...

am i the only one??

yup. the prospect of watching two natural counterpunchers wouldn't be too high on anyones list. If they want a W they're going to have to engage and JMM has been doing more of that of late which has made his stock go through the roof. Could be a stinker could be good. :-\

I don't see this fight as being a barn-burner.. How many PBF fights have you seen that are action packed?

Especially with Floyd taking time off, i see him starting extra late in this fight.. I see a long "feeling out" process, at least 3-4 rounds before Floyd will start to open up a bit.. With that said Marquez will NEED to win those rounds to have a chance in winning a decision. Floyd gets into a rhythm after he adapts to his opponent, and besides Castillo, and pieces of the DLH fight, no one has been really able to steal too many rounds after this happens..

The only way this fight will live up to the super competetive hype would be if marquez connects hard at some point.. giving floyd some sort of urgency to win rounds, but even then, i don't see floyd opening up to the point of desperation.. I'm still super excited for this fight and cannot wait to see Floyd back in the ring!!!!

This fight smells the controversy from here, the hype of a PBF and Pacman is way too high, I am really worried it'll play against JMM in the judges mind. At least, Bad Bob Arum's not behind Floyd anymore and Goldenboy is straight behind JMM, so it might edge that possibility a bit but I deeply worry that the hype of a huge PPV screw something.

I think it will, jmm is a great fighter, i just think he has way too many disadvantages in this fight. It just doesn't seem like it's on an even playing field from the begining. I feel the same way about all of floyds opponets at least right now, they all "can" beat floyd but none of them will. Floyd's biggest advantage has nothing to do with size or speed or power, it's how smart he is in the ring. We're all being set up my friends, but i will say i've always thought floyd will loose one day, when he starts fighting cause he has to not when he wants too so now maybe the time. We'll see i guess. So many other people i'd rather see him fight though. Someone his own size for starters or at the very least someone just as fast, jmm smaller and i think he'll still be a lot slower.

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I think it will, jmm is a great fighter, i just think he has way too many disadvantages in this fight. It just doesn't seem like it's on an even playing field from the begining. I feel the same way about all of floyds opponets at least right now, they all "can" beat floyd but none of them will. Floyd's biggest advantage has nothing to do with size or speed or power, it's how smart he is in the ring. We're all being set up my friends, but i will say i've always thought floyd will loose one day, when he starts fighting cause he has to not when he wants too so now maybe the time. We'll see i guess. So many other people i'd rather see him fight though. Someone his own size for starters or at the very least someone just as fast, jmm smaller and i think he'll still be a lot slower.

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One thing is for sure, JMM, will definately be pressing the fight. In an agressive, but smart fashion. Floyd on the other hand, will be Floyd like always. He will drop his left hand down, roll his shoulders, use every tiny inch of the ring, and he will bore us to death with his Ali like style. Id rather see a rematch with JMM and Pacquiao.

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I think it will, jmm is a great fighter, i just think he has way too many disadvantages in this fight. It just doesn't seem like it's on an even playing field from the begining. I feel the same way about all of floyds opponets at least right now, they all "can" beat floyd but none of them will. Floyd's biggest advantage has nothing to do with size or speed or power, it's how smart he is in the ring. We're all being set up my friends, but i will say i've always thought floyd will loose one day, when he starts fighting cause he has to not when he wants too so now maybe the time. We'll see i guess. So many other people i'd rather see him fight though. Someone his own size for starters or at the very least someone just as fast, jmm smaller and i think he'll still be a lot slower.

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One thing is for sure, JMM, will definately be pressing the fight. In an agressive, but smart fashion. Floyd on the other hand, will be Floyd like always. He will drop his left hand down, roll his shoulders, use every tiny inch of the ring, and he will bore us to death with his Ali like style. Id rather see a rematch with JMM and Pacquiao.

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mayweather will look to attack on the back foot and fight him on the outside, on the other hand JMM is not too bad a counter puncher and will look to utilise that.

I see this fight 100% lasting the pace and going the full 12, my prediction a marquez win on points!!

I could actually see Floyd leading in this fight, probably it will be Marquez coming forward, but don't be surprised if you see Floyd stand his ground and use in and out movement to confound Marquez. They both have great jabs, but Floyd's is longer, harder, and faster. I see Floyd controlling the fight enough that it won't be super exciting, but still a fascinating matchup, kind of like Mayweather- De La Hoya, maybe not a barn burner, but definitely an exciting fight. The difference IMO is that they will likely mix it up more, and there will be a higher element of skill involved in this fight.

If Marquez tries to engage Mayweather and make him fight then he is gonna lose horribly because it's not his game.

This fight with be both fighters looking to counter the other. marquez is at his best when he doesn't have to chase someone and lets them come to him.

Marquez is a lot like Alexis Arguello, its nearly impossible to beat him when bulling in, but it's hard for him to deal with a boxer. He can win against boxers, but its not when he is the most effective. Mayweather will box with him and that will give Marquez trouble.

Is it just me or can't everyone see what a fraud Mayweather is being in picking a lighter weight fighter to fight at Welterweight, when there are better fights for him like Shane and Cotto and yet people are thinking this is a competitive fight. JMM has nothing to loose, Floyd is trying to big JMM up, saying he beat Manny Pac twice and so on but no mention of fighting real challengers. Floyd is a Joke.

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Is it just me or can't everyone see what a fraud Mayweather is being in picking a lighter weight fighter to fight at Welterweight, when there are better fights for him like Shane and Cotto and yet people are thinking this is a competitive fight. JMM has nothing to loose, Floyd is trying to big JMM up, saying he beat Manny Pac twice and so on but no mention of fighting real challengers. Floyd is a Joke.

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Is it just me, or does everyone try to find some sort of nitpicky reason to hate on Mayweather?

Floyd is a lighter weight fighter, he moved up all the way to 154 and won titles it doesnt make him a 154 pounder or a 147 pounder and he is fighting this fight probably around the 140 zone and the weight isn't gonna make a difference that much really, it's not like Mayweather is the kind of fighter who tries to impose his will on someone.

It's that kind of thinking that "mayweather just beats guys because they are smaller" that got Hatton knocked out by Pacquiao, he felt he was untouchable at 140 because too many fans and people around him saying "you only lost because you fought at his weight" which isnt even Mayweather's weight ;)

Welter is Mayweathers weight and the fight is at that weight so for the so called best fighter p4p why not fight the best fighters and challengers at that weight. :)

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Welter is Mayweathers weight and the fight is at that weight so for the so called best fighter p4p why not fight the best fighters and challengers at that weight. :)

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Because when you are the best fighter you don't call people out, they call you out.

Marquez called Mayweather out and Mayweather responded. And he intends to fight Pacquiao.

You can dominate a weight division and get no credit whatsoever(example Klitschko in the heavyweights)

And Mayweather was undisputed welterweight champ and got no credit because of the names he did not fight.

Sometimes it's not about where you fight but also who you fight and at the time of their career. Fighting Marquez and Pacquiao would definately mean good for his p4p status. But as you've shown he wouldn't get any credit whatsoever.

Who would he fight at 147? Berto is inexperienced, Cotto is fighting Clottey, Williams vacated his title and has moved up to around middleweight apparently, who is left for Mayweather to fight at Welterweight? Shane Mosley is the only other name.

And yet if Mosley and Pacquiao fought no one would bash Mosley for fighting "the smaller guy" would they?

its selective criticism and hate when it comes to Mayweather ;)

Floyd will be too Good for Marquez in the end...I can't see this being anything more than PBF handing out a schooling...But I would love to be wrong!!

JMM will be behind in the scorecards. But he'll catch Floyd in late rounds.

JMM by KO.

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Welter is Mayweathers weight and the fight is at that weight so for the so called best fighter p4p why not fight the best fighters and challengers at that weight. :)

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And Mayweather was undisputed welterweight champ and got no credit because of the names he did not fight.

Sometimes it's not about where you fight but also who you fight and at the time of their career. Fighting Marquez and Pacquiao would definately mean good for his p4p status. But as you've shown he wouldn't get any credit whatsoever.

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It's more like Mayweather was disputed WW champ and he deserves not to get any credit because he didn't fight PWill, Cotto, and Margarito.

Pac is busy knocking out naturally bigger fighters, while Floyd is busy calling out naturally smaller fighters. Floyd should be ashame of himself.

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Welter is Mayweathers weight and the fight is at that weight so for the so called best fighter p4p why not fight the best fighters and challengers at that weight. :)

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And Mayweather was undisputed welterweight champ and got no credit because of the names he did not fight.

Sometimes it's not about where you fight but also who you fight and at the time of their career. Fighting Marquez and Pacquiao would definately mean good for his p4p status. But as you've shown he wouldn't get any credit whatsoever.

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It's more like Mayweather was disputed WW champ and he deserves not to get any credit because he didn't fight PWill, Cotto, and Margarito.

Pac is busy knocking out naturally bigger fighters, while Floyd is busy calling out naturally smaller fighters. Floyd should be ashame of himself.

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P Will was unproven at the time, Margarito wasn't a draw and people use an excuse of Cotto not being experienced enough in his fight with Margarito. The same excuse would have been given if Mayweather had beaten him. Fact of the matter is, Baldomir and judah were the number 1 and 2 guys in the division at the time Mayweather fought them. And Mayweather beat them both.

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And Mayweather was undisputed welterweight champ and got no credit because of the names he did not fight.

Sometimes it's not about where you fight but also who you fight and at the time of their career. Fighting Marquez and Pacquiao would definately mean good for his p4p status. But as you've shown he wouldn't get any credit whatsoever.

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It's more like Mayweather was disputed WW champ and he deserves not to get any credit because he didn't fight PWill, Cotto, and Margarito.

Pac is busy knocking out naturally bigger fighters, while Floyd is busy calling out naturally smaller fighters. Floyd should be ashame of himself.

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P Will was unproven at the time, Margarito wasn't a draw and people use an excuse of Cotto not being experienced enough in his fight with Margarito. The same excuse would have been given if Mayweather had beaten him. Fact of the matter is, Baldomir and judah were the number 1 and 2 guys in the division at the time Mayweather fought them. And Mayweather beat them both.

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That's your personal view. Imo, PWill, Margo, and Cotto were/still big threat for Floyd. That's the reason why Floyd is calling out smaller men. What a fraud.

You never know, maybe Mayweather will try to impress Pacquiao and all the others and be aggressive for a change, but probly not. I hope JMM beats him like a drum!

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Welter is Mayweathers weight and the fight is at that weight so for the so called best fighter p4p why not fight the best fighters and challengers at that weight. :)

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Because when you are the best fighter you don't call people out, they call you out.

Marquez called Mayweather out and Mayweather responded. And he intends to fight Pacquiao.

You can dominate a weight division and get no credit whatsoever(example Klitschko in the heavyweights)

And Mayweather was undisputed welterweight champ and got no credit because of the names he did not fight.

Sometimes it's not about where you fight but also who you fight and at the time of their career. Fighting Marquez and Pacquiao would definately mean good for his p4p status. But as you've shown he wouldn't get any credit whatsoever.

Who would he fight at 147? Berto is inexperienced, Cotto is fighting Clottey, Williams vacated his title and has moved up to around middleweight apparently, who is left for Mayweather to fight at Welterweight? Shane Mosley is the only other name.

And yet if Mosley and Pacquiao fought no one would bash Mosley for fighting "the smaller guy" would they?

its selective criticism and hate when it comes to Mayweather ;)

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Agree with your post. A lot of people just want to see Mayweather lose or be in a toe
to toe fight, you could include me in wanting to see that in the past. You are correct
in stating that if a strong Welterweight like Mosley fought Pac everyone would be cool
with that.

You are also correct that JMM called out Mayweather after his last fight with Diaz,
it wasn't Mayweather calling out JMM.

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It's more like Mayweather was disputed WW champ and he deserves not to get any credit because he didn't fight PWill, Cotto, and Margarito.

Pac is busy knocking out naturally bigger fighters, while Floyd is busy calling out naturally smaller fighters. Floyd should be ashame of himself.

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P Will was unproven at the time, Margarito wasn't a draw and people use an excuse of Cotto not being experienced enough in his fight with Margarito. The same excuse would have been given if Mayweather had beaten him. Fact of the matter is, Baldomir and judah were the number 1 and 2 guys in the division at the time Mayweather fought them. And Mayweather beat them both.

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That's your personal view. Imo, PWill, Margo, and Cotto were/still big threat for Floyd. That's the reason why Floyd is calling out smaller men. What a fraud.

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How the hell is Margarito a threat for Floyd? and how is Baldomir, Oscar Dela Hoya or Hatton a smaller fighter than floyd?

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P Will was unproven at the time, Margarito wasn't a draw and people use an excuse of Cotto not being experienced enough in his fight with Margarito. The same excuse would have been given if Mayweather had beaten him. Fact of the matter is, Baldomir and judah were the number 1 and 2 guys in the division at the time Mayweather fought them. And Mayweather beat them both.

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That's your personal view. Imo, PWill, Margo, and Cotto were/still big threat for Floyd. That's the reason why Floyd is calling out smaller men. What a fraud.

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How the hell is Margarito a threat for Floyd? and how is Baldomir, Oscar Dela Hoya or Hatton a smaller fighter than floyd?

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I wonder that too..

But I'd just ignore it, the guy thinks that Marquez will knock out Mayweather with one punch :rolleyes: Or rather will be behind in the fight and land a one punch KO on him.

I think it will. Which is surprising because it is two counte rpunchers, but I think Marquez will make it interesting, and Mayweather will pick apart Marquez with his pinpoint accuracy, and Marquez will have trouble with Mayweather's defense.

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This fight smells the controversy from here, the hype of a PBF and Pacman is way too high, I am really worried it'll play against JMM in the judges mind. At least, Bad Bob Arum's not behind Floyd anymore and Goldenboy is straight behind JMM, so it might edge that possibility a bit but I deeply worry that the hype of a huge PPV screw something.

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I think JMM will lose via wide UD in this boring tuneup fight... PBF can possibly jab his way to victory.... PBF (72") enjoys a 5" reach advantage over JMM (67")....

History also showed JMM's style doesn't impress judges that much... JMM even cried that all his losses (John, PAC, etc.) were robberies and this only confirmed that JMM will not likely get the judges nod in a decision... JMM's style is boring also that of PBF... JMM/PBF were only in exciting fights if the opponent is a come forward exciting puncher boxer...

All indications points to a technical chess match between 2 counterpunchers waiting on who will attack first... Could come out a boring fight...:(
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Before people start crying about Marquez getting gypped lets wait for this fight to actually happen.

I really don't think there is very much hype to this fight. Considering that either one of these guys have an argument to #1 p4p status. It is basically a forgone conclusion that JMM is a tune up for Pac. Even the PBF haters say JMM is too small so most of them even concluded that PBF is the winner. Albeit via excuses such as JMM is too small. Pac just KOed a PBF size fighter and dominated one even bigger. But with PBF he is held to a ridiculously high standard that no one else is. Pac fought at welterweight but he never took on any of the bigger threats such as PWill, Cotto, Margarito, or Mosley but where is his criticism. Roach said that he will not let Pac fight at 147 again. If that was PBF that would be called cherrypicking. I congratulate Pac because he is very impressive in fighting bigger guys but PBF actually fights bigger guys every fight at 147 and 154 and many at 140. Now that he is finally the bigger fighter he is called everything in the book. Nobody remembers when PBF begged for a Mosley fight when Mosley was a fearsome lightweight knocking out everybody. Mosley denied the fight twice and skipped 2 weight classes for DLH. Was Hagler picking on a smaller Leonard? PBF would not be a bigger fighter picking on a smaller one if he was not ultra talented but the last attribute is never admitted by the anti-PBF crowd. If PBF is better in every boxing aspect then in order for that next guy to have a chance he must be bigger. So this fight is an outrage to people who want to see PBF lose. Let JMM have a say. Maybe we'll get an interesting fight.

The fight will be a competitive

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I really don't think there is very much hype to this fight. Considering that either one of these guys have an argument to #1 p4p status. It is basically a forgone conclusion that JMM is a tune up for Pac. Even the PBF haters say JMM is too small so most of them even concluded that PBF is the winner. Albeit via excuses such as JMM is too small. Pac just KOed a PBF size fighter and dominated one even bigger. But with PBF he is held to a ridiculously high standard that no one else is. Pac fought at welterweight but he never took on any of the bigger threats such as PWill, Cotto, Margarito, or Mosley but where is his criticism. Roach said that he will not let Pac fight at 147 again. If that was PBF that would be called cherrypicking. I congratulate Pac because he is very impressive in fighting bigger guys but PBF actually fights bigger guys every fight at 147 and 154 and many at 140. Now that he is finally the bigger fighter he is called everything in the book. Nobody remembers when PBF begged for a Mosley fight when Mosley was a fearsome lightweight knocking out everybody. Mosley denied the fight twice and skipped 2 weight classes for DLH. Was Hagler picking on a smaller Leonard? PBF would not be a bigger fighter picking on a smaller one if he was not ultra talented but the last attribute is never admitted by the anti-PBF crowd. If PBF is better in every boxing aspect then in order for that next guy to have a chance he must be bigger. So this fight is an outrage to people who want to see PBF lose. Let JMM have a say. Maybe we'll get an interesting fight.

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This just has disaster written all over it. I am a big Marquez fan but I really can't see what he can do to the bigger,quicker Mayweather. Hopefully Mayweather has lost a step or two from the Hatton fight then I believe Marquez will hang with him. As for this not being a barn burner I think differently Marquez ALWAYS makes it a great fight. If Mayweather wants to fight against the ropes like he has done in more recent matches again Marquez will definetly battle with him. I do hope Marquez beats him but I just can't see it happenening

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Welter is Mayweathers weight and the fight is at that weight so for the so called best fighter p4p why not fight the best fighters and challengers at that weight. :)

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Because when you are the best fighter you don't call people out, they call you out.

Marquez called Mayweather out and Mayweather responded. And he intends to fight Pacquiao.

You can dominate a weight division and get no credit whatsoever(example Klitschko in the heavyweights)

And Mayweather was undisputed welterweight champ and got no credit because of the names he did not fight.

Sometimes it's not about where you fight but also who you fight and at the time of their career. Fighting Marquez and Pacquiao would definately mean good for his p4p status. But as you've shown he wouldn't get any credit whatsoever.

Who would he fight at 147? Berto is inexperienced, Cotto is fighting Clottey, Williams vacated his title and has moved up to around middleweight apparently, who is left for Mayweather to fight at Welterweight? Shane Mosley is the only other name.

And yet if Mosley and Pacquiao fought no one would bash Mosley for fighting "the smaller guy" would they?

its selective criticism and hate when it comes to Mayweather ;)

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Agree with your post. A lot of people just want to see Mayweather lose or be in a toe
to toe fight, you could include me in wanting to see that in the past. You are correct
in stating that if a strong Welterweight like Mosley fought Pac everyone would be cool
with that.

You are also correct that JMM called out Mayweather after his last fight with Diaz,
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Yea floyd accepted JMMs challenge....but he did slip,duck,dove,crawl under etc margaritos challenge right in to his face.

I think the answer to the question is: Are you going to buy it?

For me; No.

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Is it just me or can't everyone see what a fraud Mayweather is being in picking a lighter weight fighter to fight at Welterweight, when there are better fights for him like Shane and Cotto and yet people are thinking this is a competitive fight. JMM has nothing to loose, Floyd is trying to big JMM up, saying he beat Manny Pac twice and so on but no mention of fighting real challengers. Floyd is a Joke.

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Here's the difference I see between Mayweather Jr. and Pacquiao. Before Margarito was ko'd by Mosley Pacquiao was setting the premise to fight Margarito. After that he set the Premise to fight Cotto or Mosley. Bigger fighters with bigger reps. The man has no fear of losing or damaging his rep. Pacquiao is a true fighter.

Mayweather leaves boxing is called out by every top rated boxer in is class and comes out to face a smaller man. Why? I think because Marquez is the most hungry fighter out there where Mayweather easily bargains a bigger cut of the money and has the least risk to his legacy. Mayweather jr. is managing his boxing career.

i think it will
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Yea floyd accepted JMMs challenge....but he did slip,duck,dove,crawl under etc margaritos challenge right in to his face

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How much money would Floyd make if he fought Margarito compared to other guys he faced instead? Of course everybody wants to fight the bigger name for a nice quick fat paycheck but the big name also wants the same so why not face someone who will bring more to the table? Don't we all do that? Floyd vs Margarito would probably end up like another Baldomir-like fight where you had a slow puncher receiving punches from all angles and running away from danger which is a smart tactic, not everybody's favorite technique but its not illegal either.

Mayweather has to be more cautious than Manny because he is undefeated, and for some reason everybody thinks he is a natural welterweight, if he beat Magarito like Mosley did, people could simply say Margarito was overrated. If Mayweather beat Cotto the same thing, Mayweather was expected to win. Even in outboxing Oscar, even Jim Lampley stated around round 9, "I knew all along Floyd was going to win, but I am surprised how well Oscar has done to stay in the fight". WTF Mayweather was only a 2 to 1 favorite, Oscar looked great against Mayorga, he was the best fighter Mayweather had ever faced, and it was at 154. Mayweather gets no credit because he is expected to win every fight.

One thing is certain here JMM always comes in to fight just look at his career video and you'll see that.


If the fight is on the dull side it'll be because PBF decides to put on his track suit and jogging shoes.

With many fans and boxing writers mentioning the fight might possibly come out a stinker then there's really that big possibility that it will turn out a boring fight... One counterpuncher against a counterpuncher - runner ... ;)
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Seems like lots a people are just writing JMM out. I think he's got a shot at it. If he can pressure Mayweather but also stay smart in his defense I think he's got a really good shot. Hatton had the pressure thing right but no defense. I am deffinitly in JMM's corner for this one, would love to see Floyd get knocked to the floor, its gonna be really tuff tho!

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One thing is certain here JMM always comes in to fight just look at his career video and you'll see that.


If the fight is on the dull side it'll be because PBF decides to put on his track suit and jogging shoes.

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It would also be because Marquez had no way to stop him from doing that

They both are gonna wait on each other. If Marquez comes to fight or slug with Mayweather he will be picked off. His best shot is trying to out feint and out time Mayweather. will be boring if you like all out action but great in terms of the art of boxing by both of them

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One thing is certain here JMM always comes in to fight just look at his career video and you'll see that.


If the fight is on the dull side it'll be because PBF decides to put on his track suit and jogging shoes.

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Spot on Mick, PBF will be on his bike all night and probably win a defensive UD, he won't want any damage in preparation for another huge pay that awaits at the end of the year. He doesn't want to take Marquez to lightly or that pay day might not happen at all. It will be more competitive than people think.