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This article is meant to be contrasted as only opinion, but there is more to it. This writer will explore the tale-of-the-tape, the circumstances and how it went down, who deserved to win, and most importantly, why.
This will only cover modern-era fights, mainly between 1980's until now, because one can simply not find enough material to sift through and cover. Now, for the moment you have been waiting for...
Number 5:
Jose Luis Castillo v... Full Boxing Article here...
Excellent work. Whittaker definitely got the shaft a few times! He was such an athletic specimen, truly a pre-madonna Roy Jones.
I thought ODH just beat Pernell.
Lennox v Holyfield 1 was bad so was MAB v EM 1.
Just an idea, but maybe we could find links for these fights and give our opinions on them after watching them again. They'll be fresh in our minds that way. I know we did something similar in the past. I dunno, flame away.
Does worst ref fight stoppages count? Or is that another thread?
Nice article, props to the author. I agree totally with the Floyd Castillo fight, Castillo worked his arse off in the latter part of the fight only to get robbed I was fuming at that
A couple of horrible decisions I'd add to that. Casamayor robbing Santa Cruz on the Cotto-Mosley undercard was a bad one.
The worst one in recent memory for me was how 3 judges saw David Diaz beating Morales when it seemed pretty clear that Morales schooled him. The man would have been the first Mexican to win world titles in 4 divisions, and he wouldn't feel the need to continue fighting on.
i dunno if worst decisions ever but at least my picks are
(in no specific order)
Holmes Vs Spinks (both times)
DLH Vs Trinidad
Morales Vs Diaz
JCC Vs Whitaker
Cintron Vs Martinez
Fight two was indeed terrible, but I would say fight one was up for debate, and Holmes had, had his luck in the previous 48 fights (Snipes and Williams stand out), thus he was due to lose a 50/50 call....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
A good article, with fair well thought out arguments, but the five worst of All Time? Not all of them, in my opinion.
I remember Billy Hardy being screwed in a European Bantamweight Title fight in Italy, when one judge scored all the rounds even, except the 12th.
Sugar Boy Malinga was robbed blind in his first Benn fight, and even in the second fight one of the judges scored against him!
Henry Akinwande was on the wrong end of a terrible draw decision in Germany when he kicked Axel Schultz's ass for 12 rounds, first time round.
Schultz himself found out, turn around was fair play when he was robbed by George Foreman, who in turn was hard done by against Shannon Briggs.
Kirkland Laing found himself on the end of a shocking decision in Italy (against Oliva), when he was involved in a Italian speciality: The 12, 1 to 5 minute round fight; depending of course, on how the hometown fighter is doing!
Now they are probably not even in the top ten, hell, I have not even touched on Rivers/Walgast or Gonzales/CoggiI....
Number one on my list is Lewis Holyfield I. Surprised that was not included.
The author's comments re: delaHoya Trinidad were bang on. Trinidad was schooled. Even though DLH ran in the last few rounds, Trinidad landed nothing significant.
I have to take issue with 3 of the 5 listed in this column.
There's a big difference between a robbery and a controversial decision.
Robberies occur when one fighter dominates another and doesn't get the decision. Robberies occur when there is no way you could make a logical argument for the other guy winning. Robberies are the worst boxing decisions.
Mayweather-Castillo, Oscar-Pernell, Oscar-Tito.... those weren't robberies, they were close fights where you could make an argument that the right guy won. For example, I thought Pernell beat Oscar 114-112, but there were a ton of close rounds in that fight that could have gone either way. Oscar winning the fight didn't constitute a robbery.
Lewis-Holyfield I was an outright robbery and a much worse decision than fights like Mayweather-Castillo and Oscar-Pernell.
no doubt, but i personally felt that he did enough to win both fights, especially the rematchQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidFight two was indeed terrible, but I would say fight one was up for debate, and Holmes had, had his luck in the previous 48 fights (Snipes and Williams stand out), thus he was due to lose a 50/50 call....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
A good article, with fair well thought out arguments, but the five worst of All Time? Not all of them, in my opinion.
I remember Billy Hardy being screwed in a European Bantamweight Title fight in Italy, when one judge scored all the rounds even, except the 12th.
Sugar Boy Malinga was robbed blind in his first Benn fight, and even in the second fight one of the judges scored against him!
Henry Akinwande was on the wrong end of a terrible draw decision in Germany when he kicked Axel Schultz's ass for 12 rounds, first time round.
Schultz himself found out, turn around was fair play when he was robbed by George Foreman, who in turn was hard done by against Shannon Briggs.
Kirkland Laing found himself on the end of a shocking decision in Italy (against Oliva), when he was involved in a Italian speciality: The 12, 1 to 5 minute round fight; depending of course, on how the hometown fighter is doing!
Now they are probably not even in the top ten, hell, I have not even touched on Rivers/Walgast or Gonzales/CoggiI....
Steve Forbes getting outrageously robbed by Demetrius Hopkins will always be on my list.
Personally, I like the fact the author did not include that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Yes, Lewis did deserve the decision, but he fought a very safety first fight in the opponents home country, and history says, normally that leads to disappointment.
For what ever reason, the fight became (the latest) final straw for poor decisions, and it was investigated. But remember right or wrong, the British judge had the fight even, maybe the fight like say Leonard/HearnsII was a damning indictment of ten point must, rather than the judges?
Calzaghe Vs Reid was pretty bad also
DLH Vs Sturm
HOLYFIELD VS VALUEV!!!
Bad decisions and Sven Ottke were close buddies, ask Robin Reid, Charles Brewer and Byron Mitchell.
Call it whatever you want, it was a terrible decision. Yes, lewis was cautious, but he boxed beautifully for a big man. No I would say it was a damning indictment of the judges, whatever scoring system you use, it was Lewis all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPersonally, I like the fact the author did not include that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Yes, Lewis did deserve the decision, but he fought a very safety first fight in the opponents home country, and history says, normally that leads to disappointment.
For what ever reason, the fight became (the latest) final straw for poor decisions, and it was investigated. But remember right or wrong, the British judge had the fight even, maybe the fight like say Leonard/HearnsII was a damning indictment of ten point must, rather than the judges?
But I would say it was not a terrible decision, merely a poor one, I had Lewis winning, but by two rounds, so I could understand, but not necessarily agree with a drawn verdict, particularly as the fight was in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMCall it whatever you want, it was a terrible decision. Yes, lewis was cautious, but he boxed beautifully for a big man. No I would say it was a damning indictment of the judges, whatever scoring system you use, it was Lewis all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPersonally, I like the fact the author did not include that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Yes, Lewis did deserve the decision, but he fought a very safety first fight in the opponents home country, and history says, normally that leads to disappointment.
For what ever reason, the fight became (the latest) final straw for poor decisions, and it was investigated. But remember right or wrong, the British judge had the fight even, maybe the fight like say Leonard/HearnsII was a damning indictment of ten point must, rather than the judges?
Really? I thought Lewis dominated the fight. Anyways, it's ancient history. cheers mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidBut I would say it was not a terrible decision, merely a poor one, I had Lewis winning, but by two rounds, so I could understand, but not necessarily agree with a drawn verdict, particularly as the fight was in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMCall it whatever you want, it was a terrible decision. Yes, lewis was cautious, but he boxed beautifully for a big man. No I would say it was a damning indictment of the judges, whatever scoring system you use, it was Lewis all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Hatton robbing Callazo should be included. As well as Marquez being robbed twice against Pacquaio
Hey, it is ten years or so old, hardly ancient history, you young Turk!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMReally? I thought Lewis dominated the fight. Anyways, it's ancient history. cheers mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidBut I would say it was not a terrible decision, merely a poor one, I had Lewis winning, but by two rounds, so I could understand, but not necessarily agree with a drawn verdict, particularly as the fight was in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Huerta-Kid diamond
Ha ha, I checked your profile, I'm a lot older than you. I guess I'm not really interested in debating whether it was a terrible decision , or merely a poor one. Naturally I am probably somewhat biased by the fact that it was a Canadian that was robbed. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidHey, it is ten years old, hardly ancient history, you young Turk!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMReally? I thought Lewis dominated the fight. Anyways, it's ancient history. cheers mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
As a Brit, (as you may of guessed:p), I think we both can safely say Lewis was Jamaican, and our arguments are thus unbiased!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Marquez was not robbed twice against Pacquiao. They were two close fights with lots of close rounds that could have gone either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He got robbed against Orlando Canizales in their first fight as well. I worked all Christmas to buy a ticket for that one so I'm a little unbiased but he did beat him. He got robbed of his two best moments as a boxer, got his nose broken badly in the first round against Naz (although he was past it then.) He would have done well today with a good promoter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Emmanuel Augustus was the loser in the biggest robbery i have ever seen. DOn't remember who he was fighting.
He gave Canizales hell no doubt, but a split loss was fair(ish). Although, perhaps hometown advantage could of been more persuasive......Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHe got robbed against Orlando Canizales in their first fight as well. I worked all Christmas to buy a ticket for that one so I'm a little unbiased but he did beat him. He got robbed of his two best moments as a boxer, got his nose broken badly in the first round against Naz (although he was past it then.) He would have done well today with a good promoter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Fair dues to the classy Canizales though, he gave Billy his deserved rematch and showed how good he was, by dominating, all be it, on home turf himself.
Lewis was hugely popular in Canada. Probably most Canadian fans, including myself, didn't really know his birthplace and childhood, and thought of him as a Canadian who moved to Britain to make a better dollar.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidAs a Brit, (as you may of guessed:p), I think we both can safely say Lewis was Jamaican, and our arguments are thus unbiased!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I was in the sports bar the size of a freaking barn that night, and it was packed to the rafters with guys that were pumped for the fight. There was a lot of unhappy people let me tell you. :mad:
Tell me your scorecard, could do with a laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by CGMI was in the sports bar the size of a freaking barn that night, and it was packed to the rafters with guys that were pumped for the fight. There was a lot of unhappy people let me tell you. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidAs a Brit, (as you may of guessed:p), I think we both can safely say Lewis was Jamaican, and our arguments are thus unbiased!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
I would agree, the same went for Britain, but anyone who anything about boxing, knew the victory over Briggs gave him lineage, thus he defended against Holyfield, in a fight many thought he won, and even in 1999 most sports fans were boxing smart, and knew the score, literally and figuratively.
Courtney Burton?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
that's who quickly came to my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHCourtney Burton?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I also thought he beat Ward, but I wouldn't call that one a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat's who quickly came to my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHCourtney Burton?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Seems the list is never ending and always grows unfortunatly,a few that stick:Dave Tiberi vs. James Toney....Omar Weis vs. Antonio Diaz.....Felix Sturm vs. ODH...Fres Oquendo vs. Chris Byrd...Guty Espadas vs. Eric Morales....Wayne McCullough vs. Jose L. Bueno/Victor Rabanales
I'm surprised that none of you mentioned Leonard-Hearns II. Leonard was repeatedly hurt and outboxed by Hearns and dropped him twice, yet it was declared a draw.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat's who quickly came to my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHCourtney Burton?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
that's the one.
na that was an all out war, i'd give it to either fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHI also thought he beat Ward, but I wouldn't call that one a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat's who quickly came to my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Abraham Vs Miranda I comes to mind as well
uLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
and you had Marquez winning by 1 point right?
:D
I agree with this anaylsis. I watched Lewis-Holyfield 1 just the other day and had it 118-111 Lewis. How that dumb broad ever scored it for Holyfield i'll never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Whenever I score fights I always note down clean rounds and close rounds while I go. Clean being rounds I would argue were definitively won by one fighter and close where I could see some kind of argument for either fighter. In the Lewis Holyfield fight I didnt score a single clean round for Holyfield and there were 5 close rounds. So by my book even if you give Holy the nod on every close one he'd still lose 7-5. 100% robbery.