Does Boxing Need The Hayemaker?

David 'the Hayemaker' Haye unified the cruiser weight division.
He has since moved up to heavweight and has made alot of noise about his intentions to clean up this division too.He is contracted to fight both Wlad and Vitali Klitschko,the two top men over his next 3 fights.

David has recieved alot of mixed opinions on his t-shirt antics.Some people think he went overboard.
Have people forgotten the things Ali has said to his opponents?
I'm sure a certain Joe Fraizer doesn't find the comments as 'amusing' as some.How about Tyson telling Lewis that he would 'eat Lewis kids'.
Some people may dislike or disagree with these tactics,but at the end of the day its all just marketing and in my opinion Haye has done a stellar job.He has got everybody talking about the heavies again.It will be held at Veltins Arena, Gelsenkirchen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany in front of a packed arena.
Its by far the biggest heavyweight fight since the days of Tyson/Lewis and the REAL Holyfield.

The average punter doesn't/or hasn't known the champions name of boxing's marquis division,the heavyweight's in years.This has brought boxing's popularity down as a main stream sport.

David Haye has the opportunity to take 3 of the 4 major belts over his next 3 fights giving the people a clear champion.He would also have unified two divisions in 25 fights which is a great achievement.
He brings name recognition.He is a ko artist.He brings a good amateur pedigree,massive power,speed,aggression and great technical skills to the division.He is brash,charismatic and outspoken,looks to please the ladies and only wants the biggest fights.A breath of fresh air in todays climate where even the top superstars are over-protected to a degree.Promoters protecting the '0' and going after the 'money' fights.The best don't always fight the best anymore.
David Haye has brought excitement back to the heavweights and has every punter talking about it.He has instilled a new interest in boxings marquis division from the average punter to boxing fanatics.
Traditionally when the heavweight's are doing well,boxing as a whole does well.

Does boxing need David 'the hayemaker' Haye ?
I think it does and more people in the sport like him.People that are willing to take risks,only want to fight the best.It ain't all about the 'o'.
People like Haye can transcend the sport and put it right back in its place as a mainstream combat sport.Just like it was in the golden years of Ali/Frazier.The 'fabulous 4' of the 80's and more recent era of Lewis/Tyson and Holyfield.
Fighters like Manny Pacquiao are bringing the excitement in the lower divisions.I think we need a an exciting heavyweight like Haye representing boxings marquis division,the heavyweights.

What do you guy's think?

Boxing needs anyone willing to fight, and especially willing to fight the best. In the HW division boxing needs damn near whoever they can get. Heck if boxing doesn't need haye on the brink of a title shot and with only one loss then we need to get rid of 75% of the guys out there doing less than he is. Starting with those he's beat already

I went with 'Yes', but not necessarily in terms of Haye per se... More what he represents - Boxers who are willing to take risks and promote the sport. The HW division needs half a dozen more fighters with quality to breathe some real life back into it. It's taken a huge hit over the past 5 years in the media and it'll take alot for it to recover its reputation.

I hope Haye bangs out both Klit's. I don't think he will but it would be an amazing achievement as, despite what the haters say, they are elite level boxers. However, if he does manage the impossible then what? I don't see any top prospects coming through anytime soon... The likes of Povetkin, Arreola, Dimitrenko are destined to be B level imo so there still has to be an emergence of serious talent to get the division going, regardless of what Haye achieves.

In a way I'm glad of the demise in recent years though because of the added attention that its brought to all the other divisions. Although it'd be nice to see the Klit's have some company at the top of the tree.

Boxing needs fighters who are willing to make the best fights and go after the best. David Haye is such a fighter. Personally, I don't think we need Wladimir Klitschko. John Ruiz has provided more excitement in his fights for me than Wlad. I'm sure I'll piss people off by saying that, but I'd pretty much favour anyone over him now, I look forward to him losing again.

Yes, boxing needs more David Haye's. Without a doubt.

Fighters that bring attention to the fights and make them interesting. Fighters who are willing to fight the very best and not take 1 challenge then 20 bum defences. Fighters that people talk about constantly, like in this thread.

I think Haye is good for the sport, especially in the HW division.

Big Wlad has had his time to put the heavweight division back on the map.He failed terribly.
Now its Hayes turn to light up the heavweights!

Question should be if Haye is going to need Boxings help to pay his medical bills. I say yes.

Saying yes is pretty much saying Boxing can't survive without Haye. That is clearly not the case.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Saying yes is pretty much saying Boxing can't survive without Haye. That is clearly not the case.

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Violent - do you honestly think i give a toss about points?
I just post my opinions and people can agree or disagree.
I have come across you on some of the other forums I post on and imo you are just a 'blinkered hater' where as I am a boxing fan :owned:

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Saying yes is pretty much saying Boxing can't survive without Haye. That is clearly not the case.

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Violent - do you honestly think i give a toss about points?
I just post my opinions and people can agree or disagree.
I have come across you on some of the other forums I post on and imo you are just a 'blinkered hater' where as I am a boxing fan :owned:

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Your not a fan. Your another Pac groupie. There's a difference.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Saying yes is pretty much saying Boxing can't survive without Haye. That is clearly not the case.

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As I explained too you before.
You would want to be a mad man to think boxing wouldn't survive without Haye.
However the heavyweight division has been in a dire state over the last few years.A fighter like David Haye is putting the excitement and mainstream interest back into boxings marquis division.This can only be good for boxing.I'm sure boxing fans agree.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Saying yes is pretty much saying Boxing can't survive without Haye. That is clearly not the case.

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Violent - do you honestly think i give a toss about points?
I just post my opinions and people can agree or disagree.
I have come across you on some of the other forums I post on and imo you are just a 'blinkered hater' where as I am a boxing fan :owned:

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Your not a fan. Your another Pac groupie. There's a difference.

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Dude, he's said nothing pro Pacquiao and he's made 6 posts for fucks sake. His thread is basically asking if Haye is distasteful and bad for boxing, or if what he's doing is good for boxing. So why bad rep him for bringing up a topic that people are discussing right now?

I think the world wide community probably doesn't, but I think the UK needs him.

No Calzaghe. No Hatton. Who is gonna fill those shoes? Witter? Kahn? Andy Lee? Froch?

I just think he is good for the country he lives in. At least for now.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Saying yes is pretty much saying Boxing can't survive without Haye. That is clearly not the case.

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Violent - do you honestly think i give a toss about points?
I just post my opinions and people can agree or disagree.
I have come across you on some of the other forums I post on and imo you are just a 'blinkered hater' where as I am a boxing fan :owned:

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Your not a fan. Your another Pac groupie. There's a difference.

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I do a post on David Haye so I'm a Pac groupie?

I am a Pac fan,haye fan,Mayweather fan.I like Hayes/Pacmans all action,attacking style and prefer it to Mayweathers defensive style.However I do admire his ability.It's just personal taste.
Some people like Hagler,some liked Leonard.
In fact I think mayweather beat a far better version of Oscar Than Manny did and I also think Mayweather took Hattons punch resistance.I think Floyd would beat Manny at 147.
I am a boxing fan without the blinkers that alot of you haters have.
I look at the facts and post my opinions based on facts.
Not on some blinkered ideas because of love or hate for one fighter.

So whos the groupie now?

Anyway back on topic.
I think haye ko's Wlad inside 5

'I went with 'Yes', but not necessarily in terms of Haye per se... More what he represents - Boxers who are willing to take risks and promote the sport'

This is exactly the point I am trying to make.;)

I don't think boxing as a whole needs Haye, but the heavies sure do! The excitement he has brought to the division since his move up has brought some much needed attention to the big men

I think boxing doesn't need Haye but certainly benefits in general. The HW division needs Haye and more like him to get it back to being the most prized title in sport.
Agree with a previous point about UK boxing needing him, there are a few upcoming fighters but no one really at the top at the moment, with a tabloid press second to none he can generate interest for a layman fan who likes him being a sensationalist.

Or does the Hayemaker need teh b0xing??? :detective:


Boxing doesnt need him, but the hw division sure does.

And mainstream boxing for the most part thrives and fails with the hw division with few exceptions.


Im still voting yes just cause I hope he knocks Wlad the fuck out.

Having Haye at HW is good, he is exciting in the ring and loves to run his mouth which brings in the wrestling fans too. It's too bad he will be irrelavant after Wladdy flattens him.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Having Haye at HW is good, he is exciting in the ring and loves to run his mouth which brings in the wrestling fans too. It's too bad he will be irrelavant after Wladdy flattens him.

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It will be fun bumping this post just to say I TOLD YOU SO WHEN WLAD GETS SPARKED

ye can then start another post called :Oops::stupid:

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Having Haye at HW is good, he is exciting in the ring and loves to run his mouth which brings in the wrestling fans too. It's too bad he will be irrelavant after Wladdy flattens him.

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It will be fun bumping this post just to say I TOLD YOU SO WHEN WLAD GETS SPARKED

ye can then start another post called :Oops::stupid:

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We shall see.

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Originally Posted by pacman79

'I went with 'Yes', but not necessarily in terms of Haye per se... More what he represents - Boxers who are willing to take risks and promote the sport'

This is exactly the point I am trying to make.;)

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Yeah I get you bud, that's why I voted yes too. Win or lose Haye is doing something every fighter should be willing to do.....take a chance and make BIG fights happen.

Mixed bag here.Better to have the 'Homemakers' than not.A confident,punching comer & walking sound bite for media willing to fight the best.....is he able too is another question?

And for the many followers he has cheering.....count as equal the ones that are waiting & watching for another braggart to get sparked out.

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Mixed bag here.Better to have the 'Homemakers' than not.A confident,punching comer & walking sound bite for media willing to fight the best.....is he able too is another question?

And for the many followers he has cheering.....count as equal the ones that are waiting & watching for another braggart to get sparked out.

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imo Haye keeps winning = Interest increases,Hype grows and boxings marquis division stays in the limelight a little longer!
Wlad wins = marquis division slips back into obscurity as it has been for the rest of the Klitschko reign.

Let's hope for the sake of the division,that come June 20th Haye not only talks the talk but walks the walk :badass:

There is no doubt that Haye could be good for boxing. I don't think boxing needs him, but with the only 2 remaining marquee stars to the casual fan, Floyd Mayweather & Manny Pacquiao, probably having at most five fights left between them, boxing is going to need stars to take over. I think Haye can offer that, I struggle to see anyone else who can on a global level apart from Kelly Pavlik. The general public are generally only interested from 135 upwards, so I think that rules out Juanma for a while, who is already arguably the biggest star in Puerto Rico (ie more popular than Cotto, not a better fighter yet). I think there will be a lot of guys who are stars but in their own countries.

Boxing does not need David Haye.

David Haye earned his shot at Klitschko with his mouth rather than his performances.

Even if Haye wins he won't save the division.

People's focus is know on the lower divisions where the best fighters are and where the best matchups are to be made.

He's certainly doing no harm. Just hope he doesn't show himself up because he'll look like a tool.

He's definitely entertaining. Both in and outside the ring.

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Originally Posted by ono

He's certainly doing no harm. Just hope he doesn't show himself up because he'll look like a tool.

He's definitely entertaining. Both in and outside the ring.

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True he will look like a tool if he loses,and I really can't see him going on if he got badly beat.
I do think he will spark Wlad though