Fighters From Europe Are really overrated

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

A prime example would be everyone on this board was going on and on about how Hatton and some in the media was going to knock out Floyd then later Pacman in a few rounds. And that Floyd and Pacman were garbage fighters who cherry pick their fights and fought at home. But I guess fighting 90% of your fights against bums and in England or other places in Europe isn't right? :rolleyes:

And then when these Euro fighters beat elite fighters that are shot or past their primes like Calzaghe against Hopkins, JOnes Jr. as if its a celebration. And Nigel Benn revered in England ducked a prime Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins and would only want to fight them in Wembley. lol

Now I know some people wants to root for one of their own, but come on and be realistic. Sorry to say this but most fighters from Europe are really overrated. Hatton, Prince Naseem, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, etc. That Hatton and Pacman fight was plain garbage, Pacman and Floyd fought a club fighter that didnt' belong in the ring with them.

Welcome aboard....but i have to disagree. There are plenty of good fighters from europe, ghana, the u.s. all over the place. Where the best are from is another argument that is a waste of time but doesn't make any of them automatically over-rated. Better to make this claim on an individual basis instead of blasting a whole country. As hated as he is i remember seeing "the prince" wearing quite a few belts over the years, if he was overrated then the fighters out there now and in the past who never got any of them should be first on the list.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

A prime example would be everyone on this board was going on and on about how Hatton and some in the media was going to knock out Floyd then later Pacman in a few rounds. And that Floyd and Pacman were garbage fighters who cherry pick their fights and fought at home. But I guess fighting 90% of your fights against bums and in England or other places in Europe isn't right? :rolleyes:

And then when these Euro fighters beat elite fighters that are shot or past their primes like Calzaghe against Hopkins, JOnes Jr. as if its a celebration. And Nigel Benn revered in England ducked a prime Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins and would only want to fight them in Wembley. lol

Now I know some people wants to root for one of their own, but come on and be realistic. Sorry to say this but most fighters from Europe are really overrated. Hatton, Prince Naseem, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, etc. That Hatton and Pacman fight was plain garbage, Pacman and Floyd fought a club fighter that didnt' belong in the ring with them.

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Have you met VD yet ? ;)

Every country overrates their fighters to some degree, it's human nature, it aint exclusive to Europe ;)

Great first post.

These Euro fans, especially the Brits, just don't get it. You have to let them have their fun though homie.

I'm a fight fan and have pretty good knowledge on the sport and probably might learn more at this forum, but I look at things objectively or try to.

And now there is all this hoopla and hype about Mighty Mike Arnaoutis. Some folks on here talking about that he's going to knock out Mayweather or Pacman if they meet up. Does he even belong in the same sentence with those 2? Yeah Mighty Mike will knock those 2 out maybe 8 years from now when Floyd and Manny are shot fighters and are still fighting because they need to pay their taxes.

Maybe the last all time geat European fighter was Bob Fitzsimmons when the Marquess of Queensbury Rules started to be implemented in boxing. I think you have to go back that far for a great European fighter. :-\

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

A prime example would be everyone on this board was going on and on about how Hatton and some in the media was going to knock out Floyd then later Pacman in a few rounds. And that Floyd and Pacman were garbage fighters who cherry pick their fights and fought at home. But I guess fighting 90% of your fights against bums and in England or other places in Europe isn't right? :rolleyes:

And then when these Euro fighters beat elite fighters that are shot or past their primes like Calzaghe against Hopkins, JOnes Jr. as if its a celebration. And Nigel Benn revered in England ducked a prime Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins and would only want to fight them in Wembley. lol

Now I know some people wants to root for one of their own, but come on and be realistic. Sorry to say this but most fighters from Europe are really overrated. Hatton, Prince Naseem, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, etc. That Hatton and Pacman fight was plain garbage, Pacman and Floyd fought a club fighter that didnt' belong in the ring with them.

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This is ridiculous. Next you'll be claiming that Sven Ottke was overrated.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

A prime example would be everyone on this board was going on and on about how Hatton and some in the media was going to knock out Floyd then later Pacman in a few rounds. And that Floyd and Pacman were garbage fighters who cherry pick their fights and fought at home. But I guess fighting 90% of your fights against bums and in England or other places in Europe isn't right? :rolleyes:

And then when these Euro fighters beat elite fighters that are shot or past their primes like Calzaghe against Hopkins, JOnes Jr. as if its a celebration. And Nigel Benn revered in England ducked a prime Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins and would only want to fight them in Wembley. lol

Now I know some people wants to root for one of their own, but come on and be realistic. Sorry to say this but most fighters from Europe are really overrated. Hatton, Prince Naseem, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, etc. That Hatton and Pacman fight was plain garbage, Pacman and Floyd fought a club fighter that didnt' belong in the ring with them.

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Currently,25,european-worldchamions-that,s-not-overrated-that,s-domanation.

25 European champions. Wow that is pretty impressive. Considering there are about 100 alphabet soup organizations out there. lol What happened to the European Hype Hatton that would KO Floyd and Pacman? Hatton is a club fighter that made a name for himself for beating a shot Tzyu.

How about Calzaghe that won against shot fighters like Hopkins and Jones Jr.? Where was he when those 2 were in their prime? Why didn't Nigel Benn greatly revered in the UK fight a prime Hopkins and Jones Jr?

I disagree as well, euro fighters are not overrated.

Hatton was a good fighter but his style shortened his career. He never ducked anyone and beat a great champ in emphatic fashion in Kostya.

JoeCal beat Lacy when he was hyped and Hopkins who is not shot. The Jones win doesnt really count cause Jones is obviously past his prime but is still above average fighter.

RJJ and Hopkins didnt fight any and all comers either.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

25 European champions. Wow that is pretty impressive. Considering there are about 100 alphabet soup organizations out there. lol What happened to the European Hype Hatton that would KO Floyd and Pacman? Hatton is a club fighter that made a name for himself for beating a shot Tzyu.

How about Calzaghe that won against shot fighters like Hopkins and Jones Jr.? Where was he when those 2 were in their prime? Why didn't Nigel Benn greatly revered in the UK fight a prime Hopkins and Jones Jr?

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How the fuck is Hopkins a shot fighter? Didn't he school the so called best middleweight in the world after Joe beat him?

Sorry thats the stupidest throw away thread I think I've ever read. Like the US didn't overhype Lacy before Calzaghe schooled him. Like Pavlik wasn't hyped to fuck before Hopkins schooled him. Same goes for Taylor, who's a good fighter but has showed major limitations over the 12 round distance.

You have got to be the first fan I've met who thought Nigel Benn was overrated.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

25 European champions. Wow that is pretty impressive. Considering there are about 100 alphabet soup organizations out there. lol What happened to the European Hype Hatton that would KO Floyd and Pacman? Hatton is a club fighter that made a name for himself for beating a shot Tzyu.

How about Calzaghe that won against shot fighters like Hopkins and Jones Jr.? Where was he when those 2 were in their prime? Why didn't Nigel Benn greatly revered in the UK fight a prime Hopkins and Jones Jr?

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That,s-just-the-wbc,wba;ibf,wbo,-my,friend.

intresting no one is biting yet... guess your gonna have to up you game mr bull the posters here aint your run of the mill smacktalk board breed your used to.

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intresting no one is biting yet... guess your gonna have to up you game mr bull the posters here aint your run of the mill smacktalk board breed your used to.

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I'm biting. I think he's a fucking idiot.

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intresting no one is biting yet... guess your gonna have to up you game mr bull the posters here aint your run of the mill smacktalk board breed your used to.

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I'm biting. I think he's a fucking idiot.

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doubt he'll last long mate too transparent with the wind ups ;)

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nigel benn overrated. lol

joke of a thread

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intresting no one is biting yet... guess your gonna have to up you game mr bull the posters here aint your run of the mill smacktalk board breed your used to.

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And yet it was so tempting ;D

the part about Mighty Mike was hilarious, clearly somebody that's been around here before.

Mighty Mike was robbed against Ortiz though.

I wouldn't say he was robbed....the dude had his gloves up around his face like he was counting to 10 and waiting for ortiz to go hide. Then when the ref taps him to tell him it's over and he can raise his damn head up now, he looks up the same way a kid does when being woken up from a nap wondering where the hell 30 min went and trying to convince you he was never sleep he was just resting his eyes. He wasn't all that hurt but his actions mixed with that damn initial zab judah dance he started....basically he wasn't robbed the guy just isn't as good as he was made out to be, far from overrated imo. He just is what he is. As a side note we met some of his family and entourage or whatever you call em after that fight at the tank that night, extremly nice people.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

the part about Mighty Mike was hilarious, clearly somebody that's been around here before.

Mighty Mike was robbed against Ortiz though.

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Glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. Mighty Mike is perhaps the most complete fighter of the 21st century. I honestly think Freddie Roach
paid off the ref so that PAC could continue to duck him.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

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Well by fanboy, I presume you mean a Fanatic, rather than its true meaning in boxing: Fan(cy); a financial backer (sponsor) of a fighter.

By definition a fanatic is going to overrate; that is a bit of a no-brainer.

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps yank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

You have picked some awful, awful examples:

Ricky Hatton was an underrated fighter, who upset an old excellent fighter in Kostya Tszyu. He then used his support to get him some big fights, and showed himself capable against all but the very best, Hatton was hardly overrated.

Nigel Benn was an exciting face first puncher, who got found out at 160lbs, only to reinvent himself as a smartish fighter at 168lbs, who used his experience to beat the streaking Gerald McClellan and give a prime Eubank hell in a fight perhaps he could of edged.

Naseem Hamed was an excellent fighter who fought and beat everything put in front of him, before getting a bit to cocky and losing Barrera. Unable to regain the fire that got him to the top, Naseem called it a day, disappointed, but hardly overrated, anyone who saw the Vazquez or Badillo fights, know Naseem was mighty fine at his best.

Sir 'enry was a British institution, I do not think even his biggest fans considers him great. But he was brave, had a mean left hook and always gave his best, and we like those qualities in Britain.

Lewis has shown himself the Heavyweight of the last 15 years. The fact that it is six years since he retired and we have yet to even find a fighter to have a legitimate claim to his Championship, shows to a point how good he was.

Calzaghe beat everything put on front of him, and now it seems is that determined to keep his '0' that he is now 47-0 having added his son to the record. ;D

Michalczewski sucked so much, that for whatever reason, a near prime Roy Jones Jr choose not to fight him....

Schmeling unlike Buster probably holds the record for biggest upset in Heavyweight history when he beat Joe Louis. Add this to a two year reign as champ, a title lost on a debatable decision, and being involved in the most important fight in boxing history, and I would say Max was hardly overrated.

Bruno was a 80s version of Cooper, it is just the division is that bad today, there is a case that Bruno could of been a top fighter in this era, rather than just being a top ten contender that he was in the 80s.

wot r u on
nigel benn ducking roy jone jr ???

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on the Nigel Benn ducking Jones Jr thing, well i have it the other way around, i'd say Jones ducked both Benn and Eubank, even go so far to say he ducked, the G-Man as well, Lennox Lewis, never been a huge fan of his, but the man has legit wins over Ruddock, McCall, Morrison, Mercer, Golota, Briggs, Holyfield, Tua, Rahman, Tyson, and Vitali Klitschko, hardly hype bud

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

the part about Mighty Mike was hilarious, clearly somebody that's been around here before.

Mighty Mike was robbed against Ortiz though.

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Glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. Mighty Mike is perhaps the most complete fighter of the 21st century. I honestly think Freddie Roach
paid off the ref so that PAC could continue to duck him.

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hell even Mayweather helped chip in, seeing how he knew that Mike's name would of been right up there on people he'd have to take on, and well the fear got to him, Arnaoutis P4P #1 of ALL TIME!

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Great first post.

These Euro fans, especially the Brits, just don't get it. You have to let them have their fun though homie.

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Rickey Hatton in the same league as Floyd and Pacman? Does a overrated club fighter belongs in the same ring as those 2? Hatton is a smaller and poor man's Jake La Motta. And Prince Naseem that people on this board are defending as an elite fighter from past few posts. The one that got badly exposed by MAB? And now there is all this hype with Mighty Mike. The best complete fighter of the 21st century? Now that's an overhype statement.


Europe produces some good talent but not elite all time talent, and no where near the level that North America, carribean, and Latin American countries produce.

Europe has never produce an elite fighter in the same class as, Muhammad ALi, Joe Louis, Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Jake Lamotta, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Marvin Hagler, Archie Moore, Thomas Hearns, etc.

bad thread idea

Any country can overrate their fighters. Take the U.S for example:

Lacy, De La Hoya, Taylor, Pavlik, Gatti (I know he's from Canada), Dawson (Ok fighter, but nothing special), Arreola (He's going to get hammered when he does fight a Klitschko), Berto (Same as Arreola he'll be exposed when he ups his competiton) Juan Diaz, etc. and many other fighters who are good, but they aren't as good as the hype. This list doesn't mean all U.S fighters are bad, they are guilty of over hyping fighter, just like every country. It's not just Euros.

:biteit: cant believe I clicked into this crap :jester-new:.....CFH you owe me a new keyboard. A small nibble though.....In all honesty,over the decades at least over here in the States,once you identify a newly discovered fighters orgin as European....they are 90 % of the time closely scrutinized and doubted much,much more so than others.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

I'm a fight fan and have pretty good knowledge on the sport and probably might learn more at this forum, but I look at things objectively or try to.

And now there is all this hoopla and hype about Mighty Mike Arnaoutis. Some folks on here talking about that he's going to knock out Mayweather or Pacman if they meet up. Does he even belong in the same sentence with those 2? Yeah Mighty Mike will knock those 2 out maybe 8 years from now when Floyd and Manny are shot fighters and are still fighting because they need to pay their taxes.

Maybe the last all time geat European fighter was Bob Fitzsimmons when the Marquess of Queensbury Rules started to be implemented in boxing. I think you have to go back that far for a great European fighter. :-\

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HAHAHAHAHA i think i just shit i laughed that hard.

This must be a joke or an absolute legend of a poster who doesn't know about the Mighty Mike joke!


EDIT: I really don't think he knows the mighty mike thing is a joke. Altho Pac is clearly ducking him. Everyone can see that, even Stevie Wonder.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

25 European champions. Wow that is pretty impressive. Considering there are about 100 alphabet soup organizations out there. lol What happened to the European Hype Hatton that would KO Floyd and Pacman? Hatton is a club fighter that made a name for himself for beating a shot Tzyu.

How about Calzaghe that won against shot fighters like Hopkins and Jones Jr.? Where was he when those 2 were in their prime? Why didn't Nigel Benn greatly revered in the UK fight a prime Hopkins and Jones Jr?

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I'm guessing that you have been banned from here before. :cool:

This has to be the funiest typo i have read....

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Originally Posted by Britkid

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps wank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

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it is a typo isnt it :cwm13:

yeah that calzaghe was complete wank when it came to the crunch wasnt he...

:rofmaoal::rofmaoal::rofmaoal::rofmaoal::rofmaoal: :rofmaoal::rofmaoal::rofmaoal::rofmaoal::rofmaoal:

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This has to be the funiest typo i have read....

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But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps wank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

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it is a typo isnt it :cwm13:

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Freudian slip I reckon ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Great first post.

These Euro fans, especially the Brits, just don't get it. You have to let them have their fun though homie.

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Rickey Hatton in the same league as Floyd and Pacman? Does a overrated club fighter belongs in the same ring as those 2? Hatton is a smaller and poor man's Jake La Motta. And Prince Naseem that people on this board are defending as an elite fighter from past few posts. The one that got badly exposed by MAB? And now there is all this hype with Mighty Mike. The best complete fighter of the 21st century? Now that's an overhype statement.

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I can't believe I called you an idiot, when you are clearly a genius. Saddo, please give this guy the metaphorical key to the forum.

Normally, I wouldn't answer to this thread for obvious reasons but sometimes temptation is soooo strong... argghhhh

Europe formed some of the best boxers in history and this modern era is filled with talent. Yeah, some have been overrated, but isn't it the case everywhere? America and Canada had tons of boxers who have been overrated through the ages, promoters are behind most men, there is always and will always be some of these that will be able to hype a man to the maximum before the curtains fall and the truth discovered. If there is something, the danger of a hyped boxer might be greater in north america as promoters over here, in general, are a bit more powerful and where the network tvs are a lot richer than their rivals. Saying that european fighters are overrated or less talent than in the rest of the world is a total nonsense, it sounds like an aging Don Cherry stating that hockey players in Europe aren't that good, total and plain nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Great first post.

These Euro fans, especially the Brits, just don't get it. You have to let them have their fun though homie.

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Rickey Hatton in the same league as Floyd and Pacman? Does a overrated club fighter belongs in the same ring as those 2? Hatton is a smaller and poor man's Jake La Motta. And Prince Naseem that people on this board are defending as an elite fighter from past few posts. The one that got badly exposed by MAB? And now there is all this hype with Mighty Mike. The best complete fighter of the 21st century? Now that's an overhype statement.

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I can't believe I called you an idiot, when you are clearly a genius. Saddo, please give this guy the metaphorical key to the forum.

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Hype with Mighty Mike? He just got destroyed !!! The Pac stable really benefitted from this World Chumpion Hatton !!

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Rickey Hatton in the same league as Floyd and Pacman? Does a overrated club fighter belongs in the same ring as those 2? Hatton is a smaller and poor man's Jake La Motta. And Prince Naseem that people on this board are defending as an elite fighter from past few posts. The one that got badly exposed by MAB? And now there is all this hype with Mighty Mike. The best complete fighter of the 21st century? Now that's an overhype statement.

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I can't believe I called you an idiot, when you are clearly a genius. Saddo, please give this guy the metaphorical key to the forum.

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Hype with Mighty Mike? He just got destroyed !!! The Pac stable really benefitted from this World Chumpion Hatton !!

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Destroyed? What fight were you watching?

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This has to be the funiest typo i have read....

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But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps wank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

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it is a typo isnt it :cwm13:

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Well.....

I am BritKid, and I have a confession!;)