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Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
If arum really said that, then pac-floyd is something that might just be wishful thinking, because there's no way floyd agrees to the small share. Esp seeing as how floyd feels he's as big a draw as oscar.
Manny Pacquiao's Next Stop Could Be Sugar Shane Mosley | Bleacher Report
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
If you're really reading Bleacher Report then you're wasting your time. Blog writers and newspeople are two totally different things and that site makes the blog writers the news people.
I haven't seen that Arum comment anywhere, I don't know. But the Roach comment, I'm pretty sure that article was posted on the main board here and I read the article and Roach didn't say that at all. Unless he was referring to another article. Roach said that Manny wouldn't go for a 60-40 split and that both guys have egos. Nothing about him personally not going for that split (don't see why it would matter to Roach) and definitely nothing that Manny would in turn like a 60/40 split of his own.
I really wouldn't get to worked up over this, I really don't think Arum would say that. He's shrewd and knows how to make big fights happen and considering that Mayweather has a fight scheduled, that just seems boneheaded for him to say so early on into things. Bleacher Report is a safe haven for wackos.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
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SaddoBoxer
At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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Nah it should just be 50-50.
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At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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Nah it should just be 50-50.
I think PAC just want a little recognition or respect on his current status as #1 P4P and the #1 man in boxing right now...
He did it in the negotiation for the Hatton fight... PAC didn't accept a 50-50 split and finally settle for 52-48 split... Just little recognition is what PAC is after for, IMO...
Anyway PAC will always try to gain more recognition in the actual fight...;D
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PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
That's not how it works.
When Floyd fought Oscar, he was everyone's #1 PFP, yet he took way less than a 50/50 split, because Oscar was the one who brought more money to the promotion.
It's about who brings more money to the table. When Floyd and Pac sit down to negotiate, Floyd is going to point out that Floyd-Oscar did more PPV buys than Pac-Oscar, Floyd-Hatton did more PPV buys than Pac-Hatton, and Floyd-Marquez will likely do more buys than either Pac-Marquez fight. There's no reason for Floyd to take less than 50/50 against Pac.
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SaddoBoxer
At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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No it shouldn't. In case you forgot, Floyd originally retired without having fought Margarito, Cotto, Williams, or Mosley. He doesn't give a sh!t what you, me, or anyone thinks of his legacy, because as far as he's concerned, he's already stamped his legacy. There's a reason he changed his nickname from Pretty Boy to 'Money.' That's all he's concerned with. He'll just as soon fight any other fighter in the world who won't stall on negotiations rather than Pac if he's not getting the most money. Manny on the other hand, cares about his legacy and his fans, and the fact is this fight WILL happen, and Manny ain't getting the lion's share, that's just a fact. At best it would be split down the middle. The leverage is stacked completely in Floyd's favor in that he wouldn't lose any sleep by not fighting Manny, Pacquiao would though.
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PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
That's not how it works.
When Floyd fought Oscar, he was everyone's #1 PFP, yet he took way less than a 50/50 split, because Oscar was the one who brought more money to the promotion.
It's about who brings more money to the table. When Floyd and Pac sit down to negotiate, Floyd is going to point out that Floyd-Oscar did more PPV buys than Pac-Oscar, Floyd-Hatton did more PPV buys than Pac-Hatton, and Floyd-Marquez will likely do more buys than either Pac-Marquez fight. There's no reason for Floyd to take less than 50/50 against Pac.
Team PAC can always counter PBF's higher PPV numbers by saying that PAC's fights with Hoya and Hatton were during difficult times where there's a current global economic crisis...
Also I think PBF got a lesser purse split percentage wise in the Hoya fight as compared to the reported 38% that PAC got from Hoya... I don't know the purse split in PBF-Hatton fight...
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
What ever cut each gets, i'm quite sure it will be enough for both man to never have to lace on a glove again.... Lets hope the fight lasts longer than Pac Hatton and we see them both earn their money.
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PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
That's not how it works.
When Floyd fought Oscar, he was everyone's #1 PFP, yet he took way less than a 50/50 split, because Oscar was the one who brought more money to the promotion.
It's about who brings more money to the table. When Floyd and Pac sit down to negotiate, Floyd is going to point out that Floyd-Oscar did more PPV buys than Pac-Oscar, Floyd-Hatton did more PPV buys than Pac-Hatton, and Floyd-Marquez will likely do more buys than either Pac-Marquez fight. There's no reason for Floyd to take less than 50/50 against Pac.
Team PAC can always counter PBF's higher PPV numbers by saying that PAC's fights with Hoya and Hatton were during difficult times where there's a current global economic crisis...
Also I think PBF got a lesser purse split percentage wise in the Hoya fight as compared to the reported 38% that PAC got from Hoya... I don't know the purse split in PBF-Hatton fight...
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Um, sorry, but the biggest selling UFC ppv was Lesnar-Couture, which occured during these exact same economic times. Pacman ain't getting more money than Mayweather. Accept it and move on;)
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SaddoBoxer
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
That's not how it works.
When Floyd fought Oscar, he was everyone's #1 PFP, yet he took way less than a 50/50 split, because Oscar was the one who brought more money to the promotion.
It's about who brings more money to the table. When Floyd and Pac sit down to negotiate, Floyd is going to point out that Floyd-Oscar did more PPV buys than Pac-Oscar, Floyd-Hatton did more PPV buys than Pac-Hatton, and Floyd-Marquez will likely do more buys than either Pac-Marquez fight. There's no reason for Floyd to take less than 50/50 against Pac.
Team PAC can always counter PBF's higher PPV numbers by saying that PAC's fights with Hoya and Hatton were during difficult times where there's a current global economic crisis...
Also I think PBF got a lesser purse split percentage wise in the Hoya fight as compared to the reported 38% that PAC got from Hoya... I don't know the purse split in PBF-Hatton fight...
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And when Floyd-Marquez does more PPV buys than Pac-Marquez, Floyd can counter by saying that he did more PPVs against Marquez in a bad economy than Pac did against Marquez in a good economy.
Floyd's not getting less than 50/50 against Pac, and there's no evidence to suggest that he should take less than 50/50.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
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I dont think the floyd n pac fight will happen anyway. floyd already said he doesnt need pac at all. he does more numbers in ppv buys than pac and gets more of the money when he fights. and by the way floyd is a wayyyy bigger draw than pac and the numbers prove it.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
I'm sure this is a negotiation ploy, this fight, if it ever happens (I have my doubts) will be a 50/50 fight
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
It doesn't really matter what Manny did with Dela Hoya!
It doesn't really matter what Floyd did with Dela Hoya!
It doesn't really matter what Manny did with Hatton!
It doesn't really matter what Floyd did with Hatton!
It doesn't really matter what Manny did with Marquez!
It doesn't really matter what Floyd does with Marquez!
Because it would be a Pacquiao vs Mayweather Jr Show! It matters what they can do together.
Valid arguments are going to made from both sides of the table. The only way Arum will be able to make the case that Pacquiao is a bigger draw in PAC vs PBF is if PBF vs JMM is a very very poor draw. Less than 300K PPV
Since it's a historic fight maybe it's time to make more history and let the fighters settle who gets the bigger purse inside the ring! 40/40 split outside the ring and winner gets 20 more.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
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I dont think the floyd n pac fight will happen anyway. floyd already said he doesnt need pac at all. he does more numbers in ppv buys than pac
and gets more of the money when he fights. and by the way
floyd is a wayyyy bigger draw than pac and the numbers prove it.
You can't prove any of that! Mayweather Jr. is not an open book. No one knows what PBF really makes. Back up your statements with real verifiable facts! The numbers don't really Prove anything.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
Wasn't Pac being called out on here by a ton of people for supposedly ducking Ricky Hatton because the negotiations stalled?
All this is just bs, its bluster, the fight will be made at some point unless one guy falls off, there's too much money on the table.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
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SaddoBoxer
At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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No your wrong. 50/50 or winner gets majrity of a 60/40. Neither deserve a bigger purse.
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I dont think the floyd n pac fight will happen anyway. floyd already said he doesnt need pac at all. he does more numbers in ppv buys than pac
and gets more of the money when he fights. and by the way
floyd is a wayyyy bigger draw than pac and the numbers prove it.
You can't prove any of that! Mayweather Jr. is not an open book. No one knows what PBF really makes. Back up your statements with real verifiable facts! The numbers don't really
Prove anything.
Mayweather vs DLH was more PPV draws then Pacquiao vs DLH
Mayweather vs Hatton was more PPV draws thwen Pacquiao vs Hatton
Mayweather vs Marquez is gonna do more buys then Pacquiao Marquez
That help? Mayweather is a bigger draw then Pacquiao at the box office. Pacquiao is a more exciting fighter but he isn't a bigger draw atm
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
If this doesn't prove to people that Floyd's not taking the smaller share, nothing will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iahGWkwDidU
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
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Thats because Mayweather is the bigger draw.
He took a smaller purse to fight Oscar because Oscar was the bigger draw. Pacquiao isn't a bigger draw then Mayweather according to PPV numbers so why should he take a smaller purse.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
this is a 50/50 fight if there ever was one. Mayweather only did slightly better against Hatton in a much better economy (and that was just domestic, obviously Pac does a bit better in the Philippines than Money does) and the way Pacquaio handled Hatton cemented his super stardom, if you don't believe me than you obviously didn't watch Sportscenter anytime in the week or so after the Hatton fight when Manny got more mainstream coverage than any fighter I've seen get in a long time. There is now no bigger star in the game than Manny, Floyd is probably the only one who can match him there.
It will end up 50/50 or around 50/50 (Maybe they agree to Pac getting a little more if he comes up to 147 or the othe way around) and both will make a truckload of money.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
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this is a 50/50 fight if there ever was one. Mayweather only did slightly better against Hatton in a much better economy (and that was just domestic, obviously Pac does a bit better in the Philippines than Money does) and the way Pacquaio handled Hatton cemented his super stardom, if you don't believe me than you obviously didn't watch Sportscenter anytime in the week or so after the Hatton fight when Manny got more mainstream coverage than any fighter I've seen get in a long time. There is now no bigger star in the game than Manny, Floyd is probably the only one who can match him there.
It will end up 50/50 or around 50/50 (Maybe they agree to Pac getting a little more if he comes up to 147 or the othe way around) and both will make a truckload of money.
And Mayweather vs Marquez is gonna do better then Pacquiao Marquez in a worse economy so whats your point?
I can understand that Pacquiao is a star, he's an exciting fighter, he may be a big star right now but he isn't the bigger draw. I agree with you that this should be a 50/50 split.
Bigger star does not = bigger draw.
Oscar De La Hoya sat on top as the biggest draw in boxing even when he was only fighting once a year but he wasn't the hottest sensation at the time either but was still the biggest draw. Mayweather may not be the hottest star, but he is still a bigger draw.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
Simple, Mayweather-Marquez is going to do better than Pacquaio-Marquez because Pacquaio back then was not nearly the star that he is now (or not nearly the star Mayweather is now) because the ODLH and Hatton fights made him a star, or at the very least took him to another level. ODLH fights tend to get your name out there. Its not rocket science.
I suspect after the Hatton fight you'd find now that Pac is as big a draw, but that's just speculation but its not baseless considering the bump Pac got from how he beat Hatton and how close they were even before that. Either way, they are close enough for where this is a clear case of where 50/50 would work since there will be so much money in it for both.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
My basic point is still that we jump the gun too much on negotiation talks, this is all early, a lot of posturing, if it turns out that in the end the fight didn't happen because somebody wouldn't take 50/50 then crucify him but its early.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
You could say that, and you could say the buys in the US economy had something to do with the numbers of Pacquiao and Hatton, but here's my response to that, more of a question really.
PPV buys aren't just a US thing are they? They are world wide aren't they?
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
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I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.
If they are international then Pacquiao's numbers would play into it very much as well as he has an entire country behind him as well.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
if they wanna go by the whoever is the biggest draw, well from what i've heard it's Mayweather/Hatton had more PPV sales than Pacquiao/Hatton, and judging on how that was each fighters last fight, well i'd say that Mayweather with all of his trash talking is still a bigger draw, but out of respect that Manny is p4p #1 and that Mayweather gave up the claim when he retired, YET never really lost it, it should be a 50/50 split, Floyd was p4p#1 when he took on Oscar and yet got the smaller percentage, so the whole 51/49 or 52/48 is utter crap
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
From Dan Rafeal's article about the PPV buys on ESPN.com
"From what my sources tell me, the fight sits at about 825,000 domestic pay-per-view buys with the likelihood that when they're all counted, the total will reach 850,000 or more."
So no that doesn't take into account British buys or the Philippines. I was pretty sure that's how its done so I'm sure that's how it was done with Floyd's numbers too.
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
I just did a project in a statistics class on boxing PPVs. One thing that I found is that these numbers tend to vary a lot from source to source. HBO usually releases its official numbers for an event at some point, but even those are ballpark figures.
Any way, I agree this one should fall into the 50/50 category, or winner takes more. There's probably more money in this fight than either boxer can make with a different opponent. Either one fighting Cotto or Mosley would be a big event, but not this big. They're crazy not to make this fight happen - there's just too many dollars floating around not to.
Unless Marquez makes it all moot ;D
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"I don't fight for bragging rights I fight for cheques" Floyd Mayweather jr
Great stuff. The reality of boxing.
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I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.
If they are international then Pacquiao's numbers would play into it very much as well as he has an entire country behind him as well.
not to be fucked up or anything but, yea he has an entire country behind him, that doesn't really mean that its gonna be a big part of sales, cause well the Phillipines isn't really known for being a wealthy country, hell i know PR plays little to no part in PPV sales on any Rican fighters cards, why? cause we watch it bootleg lol thank god for Dish Network lol
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
I can't see these 2 camps agreeing to anything.
This fight is dead in the water :eek:
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I can't see these 2 camps agreeing to anything.
This fight is dead in the water :eek:
Negotiations will start at stand still with each boxers asking for the lion's share... then they will continue exploring a 50/50 split... then it will breakdown again, maybe dead for a week... then suddenly it's ON with PAC getting 51% and PBF with 49% ... Just like the PAC-Hatton and PAC-Hoya negotiations baby...;)
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I can't see these 2 camps agreeing to anything.
This fight is dead in the water :eek:
Negotiations will start at stand still with each boxers asking for the lion's share... then they will continue exploring a 50/50 split... then it will breakdown again, maybe dead for a week... then suddenly it's ON with PAC getting 51% and PBF with 49% ... Just like the PAC-Hatton and PAC-Hoya negotiations baby...;)
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doubt it very much, Floyd has plenty of other options out there that aren't Manny Pacquiao, don't think he'll give up his percentage especially if the fight would be coming following a Floyd win over the guy many believe that beat Manny twice, sorry no matter how you try to paint it, neither fighter deserves more than the other in this situation, 50/50 end of, and Oscar still took the bigger percentage against Manny, so don't know what you're talkin bout buddy
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I can't see these 2 camps agreeing to anything.
This fight is dead in the water :eek:
Negotiations will start at stand still with each boxers asking for the lion's share... then they will continue exploring a 50/50 split... then it will breakdown again, maybe dead for a week... then suddenly it's ON with PAC getting 51% and PBF with 49% ... Just like the PAC-Hatton and PAC-Hoya negotiations baby...;)
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doubt it very much, Floyd has plenty of other options out there that aren't Manny Pacquiao, don't think he'll give up his percentage especially if the fight would be coming following a Floyd win over the guy many believe that beat Manny twice, sorry no matter how you try to paint it, neither fighter deserves more than the other in this situation, 50/50 end of, and Oscar still took the bigger percentage against Manny, so don't know what you're talkin bout buddy
Basing from Team PAC's negotiating history, I'm guessing they will push for a 51/49 split til the end...
Hoya took the bigger percentage against PAC and I think it's about 62/38 but what I'm pointing out is PBF only got 30% in his Hoya fight... PAC got more with 38% as against 30% that of PBF...
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SaddoBoxer
At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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Running away from a 3rd fight with Marquez is not how you earn respect. Considering Pac really has 5 losses it should be 70-30 Mayweather
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Re: Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".
I dont like Mayweather. I honestly cant stand the guy and I cant wait to see him dealt his first loss. That said, it should be a 50-50 split. It is only fair. Plus Manny will end up with the lions share anyways cause Floyd will blow at least a half on his purse at strippers and corny music videos.
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I dont like Mayweather. I honestly cant stand the guy and I cant wait to see him dealt his first loss. That said, it should be a 50-50 split. It is only fair. Plus Manny will end up with the lions share anyways cause Floyd will blow at least a half on his purse at strippers and corny music videos.
I rather blow it on strippers than give it away to my fat flip buddies to lose weight
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At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...
PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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Running away from a 3rd fight with Marquez is not how you earn respect. Considering Pac really has 5 losses it should be 70-30 Mayweather
Running from JMM 3rd fight?? And fighting Hoya and Hatton is called "running"??
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