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Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranking?
Although Kessler is most famous for his loss against Calzaghe, he hasn't fought any real competition since that fight. Before that fight, his biggest wins were over Andrade, Beyer, and Mundine. Good wins, but he hasn't won a big fight since March of 2007 and his most recent opponents, Haussler and Sartison are European level club fighters at best. Coupled with the fact he is marred in a promotional dispute and hasn't fought in six months, Kessler's career is in a downward spiral. However, he is still ranked #1 by Ring Magazine.
Bute's wins are not quite as good, but are comparable (Andrade, Bika, Zuniga, and Berrio), and he has never lost a fight. Froch just travelled to the United States to fight Jermain Taylor and Librado Andrade won against Tyspko.
When will Kessler drop in your rankings?
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
He's #3 for me. 1 and 2 just agreed to fight each other in Nottingham. Kessler did little before the Calzaghe fight, and has done little since. Don't get me wrong, I was still impressed with him, but he became #1 by default and I think both Bute and Froch have actively done more to deserve their spots.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
He should be dropped. He hasn't fought a quality opponent since 2007.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
You can't leave a marquee spot to somebody when he is inactive and when other very good boxers are busting their ass off to prove things. No matter how good he is, he has to prove his value. As much as I love Vitali K. for example, he should never e-v-e-r have received something as dubious as champion emeritus when he was off for 3 years, good ranking is not only all about raw talent but also how hard you work to deserve it, how you bust your ass off for the boxing scene and somebody who's doing jack and shi* doesn't deserve such.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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Lance Uppercut
He should be dropped. He hasn't fought a quality opponent since 2007.
Agree
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
The promotional dispute is preventing him from fighting? If so, he should get a pass.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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Fenster
The promotional dispute is preventing him from fighting? If so, he should get a pass.
It's not just that. He hasn't won a big-time fight since 2007 and his last two opponents have been below-average fighters. Additionally, he hasn't fought in six months and nothing is on the horizon. Meanwhile, everyone else in the division has been busy.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
It sucks that Kess is caught up in this legal battle. Palle is a ruthless piece of shit. I guess we should be thankful that Mikkel has kept going along with things so far against his will as it'd be terrible to see another Mads Larsen situation. This pointless WBA madatory goes to purse bid at the end of July so he'll be fighting Perdomo (who?) next, whilst Palle still insists he has upto 2 more fights after that to fulfil his contract.
Part of me agrees that he should be dropped from the number 1 spot, behind Froch and Bute. They're both more active, fighting the higher calibre opponents and they're free to take on any bouts at their will. But then on the flip side, when I imagine either of those fighters going up against Kess I can't see them giving him a problem. Froch would get whipped by Kessler imo, and Bute would most probably fall late in the fight.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
I never thought of it that way! I always believed Kessler is the best in the division, but he has to prove it to hold that rating. I'm really upset about his opposition lately. He must've taken that Calzaghe loss a lot harder than we all thought. He needs to get a bunch of "tune-ups" out of the way so his confidence is completely back.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
Joe Calzaghe said he wants to promote him ;)
a bit ironic for Froch if it happens ........
Froch vs Kessler with Calzaghe in Kessler's corner! ;D
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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Originally Posted by
pacman79
Joe Calzaghe said he wants to promote him ;)
a bit ironic for Froch if it happens ........
Froch vs Kessler with Calzaghe in Kessler's corner! ;D
What Joe Calzaghe should do is fight him again!
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
Right now I would say Kessler is 3rd in the division. Bute is the best along with Froch as number 2. While Dirrell and Ward are knocking on the door.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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"The L.A. Earthquake"
Right now I would say Kessler is 3rd in the division. Bute is the best along with Froch as number 2. While Dirrell and Ward are knocking on the door.
This is spot on for me. Bute is more established as a champion than Froch right now, so he's in the #1 position.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
When Kessler turned pro in the late 90's he signed a contract with Mogens Palle, because at that time (and now) he was the only major player in Denmark who could build up Kesslers career.
Mogens Palle however is a ruthless C***, who always writes in an insurance policy in his contracts with his fighters, to make sure they don't walk out on him.
The terms have been different, but the outline pretty much the same:
If the fighter breaks the contract with Palle, he will suffer a quarantine from fighting (usually 2 years, only starting when the fighter is no longer ranked in any of the federations), and cannot sign with another promoter until after the quarantine.
This is exactly what happened to Mads Larsen. He walked out on Palle, had to do the time, and is now struggling to get back on top, while he wasted his prime in quarantine.
So for the young fighters in Denmark, you're pretty much screwed, 'cause there is only Palle, and if you don't like his terms, well... Don't sign the contract, and don't get any fights....
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All this crap about Kessler should do this or that.....
Well, he is effectively at Palles mercy now.
Their contract gives Palle the promoting rights for Kesslers next 3 voluntary defenses of the WBA-strap, and if Kessler doesn't like the opposition, well, then he can walk....
-Right into the quarantine stated in the contract he signed himself....
The only hope for Kessler is, that Palle is tired of this circus as well, and will accept a single sum from Kessler (and maybe a future promoter), thus buying him out of the contract.
With the money Kessler has earned over the years, I guess he could pay a decent amount, and Kessler does represent a good investment for any promoter
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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Originally Posted by
pacman79
Joe Calzaghe said he wants to promote him ;)
a bit ironic for Froch if it happens ........
Froch vs Kessler with Calzaghe in Kessler's corner! ;D
In all truth Calzaghe couldnt organise a piss up in the pub, his latest show in wales was cancelled because of the lack of intrest, Calzaghe couldnt promote Kessler, i really cant see Calzaghe doing much in the promotional buisiness if im honest maybe on a welsh level but not even on a british level.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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skel1983
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Originally Posted by
pacman79
Joe Calzaghe said he wants to promote him ;)
a bit ironic for Froch if it happens ........
Froch vs Kessler with Calzaghe in Kessler's corner! ;D
In all truth Calzaghe couldnt organise a piss up in the pub, his latest show in wales was cancelled because of the lack of intrest, Calzaghe couldnt promote Kessler, i really cant see Calzaghe doing much in the promotional buisiness if im honest maybe on a welsh level but not even on a british level.
I agree,Calzaghe probably isn't the best choice of promoters, but at least this shows Kessler hasn't been forgotten
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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jangeorg
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Originally Posted by
skel1983
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Originally Posted by
pacman79
Joe Calzaghe said he wants to promote him ;)
a bit ironic for Froch if it happens ........
Froch vs Kessler with Calzaghe in Kessler's corner! ;D
In all truth Calzaghe couldnt organise a piss up in the pub, his latest show in wales was cancelled because of the lack of intrest, Calzaghe couldnt promote Kessler, i really cant see Calzaghe doing much in the promotional buisiness if im honest maybe on a welsh level but not even on a british level.
I agree,Calzaghe probably isn't the best choice of promoters, but at least this shows Kessler hasn't been forgotten
I realyl hope we see Kessler soon i mean he did all the hard work by getting a couple of fights on HBO and now its going to waste i bet he is really pissed off right now, i reckon he should fight Bika as a sort of keep busy fight before mixing with Froch and Butes of this world
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
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skel1983
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Originally Posted by
pacman79
Joe Calzaghe said he wants to promote him ;)
a bit ironic for Froch if it happens ........
Froch vs Kessler with Calzaghe in Kessler's corner! ;D
In all truth Calzaghe couldnt organise a piss up in the pub, his latest show in wales was cancelled because of the lack of intrest, Calzaghe couldnt promote Kessler, i really cant see Calzaghe doing much in the promotional buisiness if im honest maybe on a welsh level but not even on a british level.
I never thought he would, I don't want to sound like I'm insulting him but he does not strike me as an intelligent business man, I actually think he is a bit thick.
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Re: Kessler - When does his MIA status and lack of quality opponents affect his ranki
At the moment he's at #2 for me. I think Bute is the best there at 168 right now, followed by Kessler. Have Andrade at #3 because of the controversial nature of his defeat to Bute. Froch at #4 because I didn't rate Jermain Taylor that highly at 168 off the back of a win over Jeff Lacy. Then Sakio Bika at #5, because anyone with a wife that hideous deserves at least a little support from us fans. Ok fine, Jermain Taylor it is then.
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Is Mogens Palle Trying to Ruin Mikkel Kessler's Career?
For the past few years, there have been reports of strife between Danish promotional bigwig Mogens Palle and his cash cow, Mikkel Kessler. It appears that this conflict has finally come to a head.
According to Ekstra Bladet (link in Danish), Kessler's taking Palle to court in order to get out of his contract. Palle is claiming that Kessler has three more fights under Palle, and Kessler is claiming that Palle only has one fight left. Other sources have indicated that Palle has been trying to extract blood from Kessler and force him into signing an extension in order to take his mandatory defense against Gusmyl Perdomo.
This maneuver throws Kessler's career in doubt for about the next year, unless he and Palle can somehow settle their differences. The Perdomo fight is going to purse bid soon, and it's unlikely that Palle will make a bid as long as the two are battling it out. On the other side, Kessler isn't going to be able to fight under Palle unless Palle wins a purse bid, since that would lend credibility to Palle's claim that the contract will continue on. Furthermore, Palle has implied that he might try to win the purse bid just to not set the fight quickly enough for Kessler to keep his belt. The fight would need to be made by July 25 for Kessler to keep the title. Basically, it's a fine mess that will likely end up with Kessler being stripped and being out of the ring until the dispute is settled.
This isn't the first time Palle has messed with a fighter's career. As THE big name promoter in Denmark, he's had a hand in almost all Danish talent for the past 30 years or so. Palle was also the promoter for Mads Larsen. Larsen felt he was being mismanaged and wanted to get out of his contract. Palle refused to budge. The end result was that Larsen had to sit out from fighting for over three years during the prime of his career in order to get out of the contract. Only recently has Larsen come back, and the time off took away a lot of the gifts that allowed him to nearly beat Sven Ottke.
Kessler now finds himself in the same situation, with a stubborn, thick-headed promoter who's proven in the past that he's willing to kill a fighter's career rather than let them fight for someone else. It's tough to blame Kessler here. While Palle got him a string of good fights, he almost blocked the Calzaghe fight from happening, and he was about to get more US TV exposure with an Edison Miranda fight when Palle backed him out of that one to get a title shot against no-name Dmitri Sartison. That contract included three options for Palle. Palle maintains that he still has all three options, while Kessler says that his defense against Danilo Haussler used one of them and an aborted fight against Mads Larsen used another.
Here's to hoping Kessler wins, and that the case moves quickly. Super middleweight is one of the most intriguing divisions out there right now, and there are tons of great fights that could be made with Kessler. While Kessler is European, his style and look, as well as the fact that he's fluent in English, means that he could have some cross-over appeal. With a major US promoter, we could see Kessler launch into a star.
