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Since Brian Kenny's interview of Floyd Mayweather got so much exposure, they are taking it a step further and now getting Shane Mosley to react to what Floyd said about him. Shane is basically calling out Floyd here.
I would love to see Mosley - Mayweather. It's on par with Pac - Mayweather in terms of how much those fights interest me.
I think it would be a great fight also, I think Floyd and his team know it could be the end of his undefeated record. Then what is he going to boast about?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Gotta love Mosley! He's definitely towards the end of his career and doesn't know how much longer he can fight at the top level, BUT, he is still looking for the best possible fight for himself. He's looking to fight either Pacquiao or Mayweather just having fought Cotto, Mayorga, and Margarito in a row. Talk about balls!
Floyd is not stupid, he knows the version of Mosley walking around right now is not the version he wants to fight....
The witnessing of what Mosl;ey did to Margarito put the fear of Sugar in his ass.....
The thought of Mosley in the same ring with him gives Mayweather diabetic fits..
Mosley is class.And he dont need to clap and get all theatrical.straight to the point....Floyd Ive been fighting longer than you,you like money...we can both make money together.
Mosleys not a youngster any longer,But I think he beats Mayweather right now.
I think Mosely is an all time great and I am a huge fan. I definitely think he is the one man out there that can beat PBF, it's the fight I wanna see more than any other, including PBF v Pac
All this stuff going through Kenny is stupid. Mosley was more keen on getting the Hatton-Pacquiao winner than Floyd, and now that looks like it may not happen is a bit pissed off (understandably with this 142 nonsense) lookin like he's not got many places to go. Shane & Floyd are my two favourite boxers & it would be a great fight, but from a boxing perspective, I would like to see Shane fight the winner of Cotto-Clottey, and Floyd fight Pacquiao (should he beat JMM) and then the winners of those fights go for each other.
As another poster said Shane is Floyd with balls and who is not afraid to lose his unbeaten record. If Shae wanted to remain unbeaten all his career he never would have taken the risk of fighting ODH all those years ago. He is a true great, Floyd is a fraud. What excuse will Floyd use now?
Props to Kenny for interviewing are boxers, espn is the number 1 sporst channel in the states. anytime boxing gets time on i love it.
I hope Shane gets a big fight, either pac or floyd. I really think shane deserves it but if he fights pac i will have a hard time rooting for either guy.
Shane made a great point, the guys his been in the ring with floyd wants no part of. He just called floyd a pussy, like how i do sometimes ;D
Shane is a legend
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I'm a fan of Shane and I think he is an ATG but he isn't beating Mayweather and I think fans are fooling themselves off of the Margarito performance. Shane didn't change anytime from the Cotto fight to the Mayorga fight, he just had a perfect opponent in Margarito in front of him to look spectacular against. Let's not forget the fact Cotto outboxed him and Mayorga gave him fits. Margarito is a slow methodical fighter, yeah he beat Cotto, Cotto isn't Shane Mosley but Cotto didn't try to outslug Sugar Shane he outboxed him, he outboxed Margarito early but then decided to try to outslug him and that was his downfall.
I think if Mayorga's speed can give Mosley issues and if Miguel Cotto can outbox him then Floyd wouldn't have a problem. Remember Shane Mosley never changed, but his opponents did. So I'm noy buying into the hype that Mosley is the only guy at 147 that can beat Floyd.
Besides if Floyd fought and beat Marquez and then Pacquiao and then fought and beat Mosley all the fans would do is say that Floyd waited too long to fight Shane and that Shane was over the hill. The same fans that said Mosley was over the hill after Wright and Cotto beat him are the people saying now that Mosley could beat Floyd 2 fights later, lol
I like Shane and I wish he and Floyd would have fought at some point, but let's be honest, he failed to answer questions just as badly as Floyd did.
Kenny asked Shane to respond to Floyd's statement that Shane's never been a PPV attraction. Shane responded by repeating about 5 times in a row that he sold out Staples Center against Margarito. Selling out an arena has nothing to do with PPV buys, and 90% of the crowd were Margarito fans. Shane didn't sellout the arena on his own. He dodged the question, just like Floyd dodged questions.
Not to mention the fact that Shane lied repeatedly about the HGH/steroids scandal over the years.
Very good point, Mosely always had trouble with boxers and not powerpunchers. That's why even though I'm rooting for him(Shane) I am still worried:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
"All of those guys beat each other but nobody beat Floyd Mayweather" -PBF
Some facts:
Cotto beat Mosley for the True Welterweight title
Margarito beat Cotto for the True Welterweight title
Mosley beat Margarito for the True Welterweight title
Somewhere during all of this Floyd Mayweather beats Light Welterweight champion Ricky Hatton for a Vacant Welterweight Title
Floyd is correct, none of those guys did beat him. LEGEND
Floyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Floyd WAS the True Welterweight champ after he beat Baldomir. That was the only time though. Then he chose to fight Oscar and Hatton, neither of whom were welterweight champions. Now its been three years since he was a legit Welterweight champion and he tries to act like he has done enough in that time to still be considered the best Welterweight in the world. He could have fought Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, to prove that he really is the best but he didnt. He retired. And now hes back to fight a lightweight at Welterweight. Shane is right that if Floyd fought the same opposition as him, he would have loses too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyFloyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I like Mosley and he is my favorite fighter of all time. I am no big fan of PBF personally but I am not in denial of the man's talent. No way Mosley beats PBF. People are getting all riled up because everyone wants to see PBF punked or beat. Mosley is not that guy. He called out PBF and now everyone thinks PBF is scared. What about when PBF called out Mosley twice? Suddenly, everyone has amnesia. Mosley didn't just ignore it he flat out refused both times with excuses. The first time he said PBF wasn't a big enough draw and the second time he said he had to get his teeth fixed. People are really getting too drunk off the Margarito fight. Mosley is there to be outboxed. He is robotic and loads up every right hand. His jab is lazy and he moves right to you. Look at his last 3 fights not just his last fight. People got drunk on Hatton's last fight before Pac and that set him up for embarassment. Remember Cotto outboxed Mosley and Mayorga gave him fits. Mosley looks like every PBF hater's hero right now but no one said this after the Mayorga fight. Not to mention his limited boxing ability but Margarito minus the plaster is an ordinary fighter. And even though I am no fan of PBF's mouth he is right that Mosley is not a PPV draw. His fights with DLH made the numbers. After saying all this, as a fan I think PBF/Mosley should happen. It does make more sense fight wise than any other but money wise Pac/PBF is light years ahead of that.
Alright let me say it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoomFloyd WAS the True Welterweight champ after he beat Baldomir. That was the only time though. Then he chose to fight Oscar and Hatton, neither of whom were welterweight champions. Now its been three years since he was a legit Welterweight champion and he tries to act like he has done enough in that time to still be considered the best Welterweight in the world. He could have fought Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, to prove that he really is the best but he didnt. He retired. And now hes back to fight a lightweight at Welterweight. Shane is right that if Floyd fought the same opposition as him, he would have loses too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyFloyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Cotto was considered inexperienced when Margarito beat him as the reason he lost, do you actually think if Floyd had fought and beat him sooner he'd have gotten any credit whatsoever for that win? Didn't think so, also people would have complained that Cotto had just moved up to 147.
We already know Margarito's story.
And as far as Mosley goes, no one was plowing for Mosley to fight Floyd at 147 after his fight with COllazo, and loss to Cotto, in fact people were calling Mosley over the hill especially after his fight with Mayorga and no one was clamoring for Floyd to fight Mosley, its only AFTER Mosley beat Margarito that people are stirring it up. SO you can't say he ducked or dodged mosley, the way Mosley was looking back then if Floyd had beat him no one would have given him credit theyd have said that he didnt look impressive against Collazo, that he lost to Cotto and struggled with Mayorga as an example of how past his best he is.
Cotto was considered inexperienced when he lost to Margarito? Thats the first ive heard that. Pretty ridiculous if people actually thought that with all of Cottos amateur and pro fights including many championship fights. I dont think were going to reach a point of agreement, but Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley were all the man of the division at one point, hand Floyd never persued them when they were. Now Shane is the king of the mountain. Not Floyd.
Ya, he definitely wasn't considered inexperienced against Margarito. Cotto actually had more big fight experience than Margarito did. Cotto had already headlined 2 big PPVs before against Zab and Shane.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Well i be pulling for Mosley think prime for prime Mosley could of beat Floyde but by the time they fight how old is Mosley going be lol. Mean if it comes off it could be atleast a year maybe even more i am guessing mean Molsey going to be like what 38 39 i mean he getting up there lol. As for the Cotto fight i thought Mosley won it was close Maygra rwas much latger then Mosley was he came in like at 170 be still got knocked out. As fof Margarito everthing is just speculation over all his fights but no fighter has ever knocked him out and plaster or not did not help Margaritos chin think people downplay this win more then they get hype from it.
He won the linear and ring championship from Baldomir and beat his predecessor Zab Judah before him. When did he have the oppertunity to fight Cotto? Cotto's defining fight was against Mosley, and that took place weeks if not a week before Mayweather-Hatton after which Mayweather retired. Margarito is obviously a joke, if he couldn't deal with Mosley's movement and defensive skills how would he land a punch on Mayweather? Let alone beat him... And no Mayweather didn't stick around, he went up to 154 to win a belt against Oscar De La Hoya who was arguably the best fighter at 154 at the time. Then he beat Hatton who people had wanted Floyd to fight for 4 or 5 years? Sure Mosley knocked out Mayorga, but that was in the twelth round, look at what Oscar did to Mayorga, and that was a better Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoomFloyd WAS the True Welterweight champ after he beat Baldomir. That was the only time though. Then he chose to fight Oscar and Hatton, neither of whom were welterweight champions. Now its been three years since he was a legit Welterweight champion and he tries to act like he has done enough in that time to still be considered the best Welterweight in the world. He could have fought Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, to prove that he really is the best but he didnt. He retired. And now hes back to fight a lightweight at Welterweight. Shane is right that if Floyd fought the same opposition as him, he would have loses too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyFloyd Mayweather had already won the True Welterweight title, he was the Undisputed Welter champ whether you like it or not. And Hatton was THE Light Welterweight champion as well and was thought to be the best at that weight and was the guy who beat Kostya Tszyu and the guy people bashed Floyd for not fighting. He fought and knocked him out now people wanna downplay those wins. Floyd is absolutely right that he gets no credit for his wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Also its ironic, Thought Mosley had already moved up to 147, Mayweather was calling him out to fight at 135-140ish, and Mosley refused saying he was p4p#1, and that Mayweather wasn't worth his time monetarily.
Yep that should be it... Shane fighting the winner of Clottey-Cotto and Floyd should have been fighting the winner of PAC-Hatton... But Floyd didn't wait for just 1 day to see the winner of PAC-Hatton and instead sealed the JMM fight... Though the 135 lbs. JMM is a good tune up fight for the 147 lbs. Floyd...Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I see Shane restraining himself from totally lambasting the PBF-JMM tune up fight since this is a co-promotion between Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions... Shane is part owner of GB Promotions and JMM is also a GBP boxer...
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Just as when Floyd sold big vs Oscar it was because of Oscars fans. Shane also did big ppv vs Vargas but unless Floyd has a big name in the other corner he isnt a big attraction either .Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
For Floyd to fight Marquez over Shane by saying he is a bigger ppv attraction is a joke. Marquez is a guy who went to Indionesia afew years ago for 30k. Floyd would have come away with more credit by saying he wants an easy warm up vs the lightweight champ before he takes on the welterweight champ. But to say its cuz Marquez has a country behind him etc is a poor excuse.
If Floyd called Marquez an easy warm-up people would rightly be disgusted. People say they give him more credit if he's honest, but that's what he does when he says that he fights for money. Also no way that Shane is anywhere near the attraction, if he was doing a training session in London, you would probably get about 100-200 people turning up & that's being optimistic. Floyd does one & a 1000+ people come along.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEJust as when Floyd sold big vs Oscar it was because of Oscars fans. Shane also did big ppv vs Vargas but unless Floyd has a big name in the other corner he isnt a big attraction either .Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
For Floyd to fight Marquez over Shane by saying he is a bigger ppv attraction is a joke. Marquez is a guy who went to Indionesia afew years ago for 30k. Floyd would have come away with more credit by saying he wants an easy warm up vs the lightweight champ before he takes on the welterweight champ. But to say its cuz Marquez has a country behind him etc is a poor excuse.
I think Floyd is a once in a lifetime talent but I always judge him for not throwing himself in the mix when Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito were fighting each other. He said it himself, he's in it for the money, not glory.
Floyd could and most likely would beat Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito but to have not tried at all bothers me a bit. He fought Baldomir, Judah, and Hatton at the welterweight division when the division was packed with bigger fighters for him to fight. And right now he steps back into the game fighting the LIGHTWEIGHT champion just adds on to the sour taste in my mouth.
Floyd is one of my favorite fighters but if he's trying to make a legacy where he can call himself one of the greatest, that he isn't doing. He very well is one of the best skill wise, but legacy is in danger IMO.
C-lo thats exactly how I see it. He is obviously a talented fighter. Yes he probably would have beat 2 out of three of those guys, but thats a moot point. He didnt fight them, and that is where my criticism comes from. He has beem cradling his undefeated record for so long that he has put himself in a position that if he does lose at this point, his legacy will suffer greatly. If he loses now, much like Hatton, the glamour of being undefeated is gone and then people will start to really closely at his record, and his loss will stand out. Fighters that take chances, always fight the best and lose from time to time, are generally looked at kindly in the history books. The top 10 fighters of all time probably have at least 5 loses on their records. That was the cost of proving their greatness. Like badges of honor.
I just read this article in RING Magazine online. Most of this is basically how I view Floyd. He at one point in his career fought the best (when he was on his way up). But once he got there, the just wanted to maintain his status instead of reaching higher.
Mosley, not Mayweather, is worthy of fan appreciation
By Doug Fischer
The more I hear Floyd Mayweather’s mouth, the more I appreciate Shane Mosley.
It’s not that I don’t appreciate Mayweather at all. I do appreciate some things about the former five-division titleholder, who I consider, along with Mosley, to be among the best fighters I’ve had the privilege of covering in the late 1990s and this decade.
I think Mayweather’s overall ring generalship -- his balance, positioning, footwork, hand-eye coordination, head and upper-body movement, timing, punch accuracy and fluidity during a fight -- is a thing of beauty.
I understand the fans who celebrate Mayweather because of his superb skill and ring prowess, but I don’t agree that technique alone is enough to elevate a prize fighter to the top of the sport.
Professional boxing is more than technique, folks. (If technique is all you care about maybe figure skating should be your sport, not boxing.)
Boxing isn’t just about what a fighter does in the ring, it’s also about who he fights.
Mosley, who has always challenged the best fighters in the weight classes he occupied, gets it. Mayweather doesn’t.
The more we hear from “Money May” in the buildup to his July 18 comeback fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, the more we hear about who he won’t fight.
Manny Pacquiao, who earned universal recognition as the sport’s pound-for-pound No. 1 fighter after Mayweather “retired” last summer, appears to be on that list.
So is Mosley.
Mayweather tried to explain why the reigning pound-for-pound king and the sport’s best welterweight were not on his radar during a recent interview with ESPN’s Brian Kenny.
In that interview, which can be found on ESPN.com’s boxing page (Boxing News, Rankings, Results, and History - Championship Boxing - ESPN), Mayweather said a showdown with Pacquiao would be “hard to make” because he and Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum “have a problem.”
Mosley was dismissed as a future opponent because he has “five losses” and is “not a pay-per-view attraction,” according to Mayweather.
Mayweather’s disrespect was enough to make the normally affable and reserved Mosley fire back.
“Floyd’s delusional,” Mosley said from his home in La Verne, California on Friday. “He talks about his pay-per-view numbers but everyone knows that it was Ricky (Hatton) and Oscar (De La Hoya) who brought in the fans and sold those pay-per-view buys. Before he fought De La Hoya his numbers were so disappointing HBO didn’t want him to fight on pay-per-view anymore.
“The fights with Oscar and Ricky, and the 24/7’s he did on HBO before those fights, got his name out there but I don’t think it made him more popular with boxing fans. I don’t think he’ll ever be as popular as he thinks he is until he really fights the best.”
Early in his career, when he campaigned in the 130- and 135-pound divisions, Mayweather did fight the best. He beat the likes of Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, and Jose Luis Castillo displaying once-in-a-lifetime talent and athletic gifts that were on par with Mosley’s abilities at lightweight.
Somewhere during his transition from lightweight to junior welterweight and welterweight in the middle part of the decade, Mayweather’s focus shifted from proving his potential greatness to protecting his undefeated record and making as much money as possible.
It can be argued that it worked out for him, as he made a small fortune fighting Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton in 2007, but it’s a damn shame.
Imagine the welterweight round robin that could have taken place over the last four years if Mayweather shared Mosley’s mettle.
Who knows? Maybe their battles with Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Joshua Clottey, Zab Judah, Kermit Cintron -- and ultimately against each other -- could have equaled or even rivaled the excitement that Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Pipino Cuevas, and Carlos Palomino created in the 147-pound division in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
However, while Mayweather and Mosley possess comparative skill and talent, their mentalities are as different as night and day.
“If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove,” hall-of-fame former middleweight champ Marvin Hagler once said. “That’s all I am. I live it.”
The same could be said about Mosley; he’s 100-percent fighter.
I wish I could compare Mayweather to Leonard, but I can’t (and nobody else should.)
After establishing his hall-for-fame credentials by taking on Benitez, Duran (twice) and Hearns in a 2-year span, he challenged Hagler, the undisputed middleweight champ, after being out of the ring for 3 years.
Mayweather, who stepped away from the sport as the welterweight champ, is returning from a 1½-year “retirement” to fight the LIGHTWEIGHT champ.
“Mayweather’s fighting one of the best in Juan Manuel Marquez but he’s not fighting the best in his weight class,” Mosley said. “If he can’t come down a few pounds to meet Marquez halfway that means he’s a full-bodied welterweight. So, why’s he picking on a lightweight?
“If he’s a welterweight and he’s the best, as he claims, then he needs to prove it by fighting the number-one welterweight, and that’s me.
“I proved it by knocking out Antonio Margarito who knocked out Miguel Cotto. Mayweather can’t say he’s the best welterweight or the best fighter, pound for pound. He pulled himself out of the game for a year. Fighters like me and Manny Pacquiao stayed in the game and earned our place in it. If he wants to come back and reclaim his so-called throne he has to beat us.
“If he thinks he can fool the public, he’s wrong. This fight (with Marquez) is not going to do the numbers he thinks it is, and if it does, it will be the Mexican fans supporting Marquez.
“Floyd doesn’t have fans.”
The reason, Mosley says, is simple:
If we cut open Mayweather’s head, we won’t find a boxing glove. We’ll find a wad of cash.
“Floyd fights for one thing, money,” Mosley said. “He doesn’t fight for the fans the way I do, or the way Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez do.
“That’s the difference between me and Mayweather. I’m not fighting for money. I’ve been in the game a long time, longer than Floyd, and I’ve made money, but that’s never been what drives me.
“I fight for the love of the sport and I fight for the fans.”
Mosley said he wanted to fight Margarito because the Mexican mauler was recognized as the best 147-pound fighter in the sport. Now he wants to fight Pacquiao and Mayweather, to prove that he’s the best fighter, pound for pound, in the game.
“I held that title (pound for pound) once,” he said. “I was recognized as the sport’s best fighter in 2000 and 2001. I want to be the first former pound-for-pound king to come back and be recognized as number one again after eight or nine years.
“If I get a fight against either or both, I’ll prove that I really am the best, and I won’t walk away from the sport like Floyd did. I’ll defend my title.”
Against who?
“I’ll fight anyone the fans want me to fight,” Mosley said. “I mean that. I really do fight for the fans. If I’m recognized as the pound-for-pound best I’ll let the fans vote on who I should fight next. I don’t care who it is. If they want me to fight Cotto again, I’ll do it. If they want me to fight Andre Berto or Paul Williams, I’ll do it.
“I just want to let the fans know that I’m worthy of their recognition.”
I’ve known Mosley, who turns 38 in September, for 15 years. I think appreciate him now more than ever.
It’s not too late for Mayweather, who I once tabbed as a future “great”.
Mosley agrees.
“Mayweather’s an awesome boxer,” he said. “The reason he isn’t embraced by fans is that he blatantly tells them that he’s only fighting for the money.
“He could have fans, real fans, if he really challenged himself. He wouldn’t have to rely on the other guy to bring in the fans and the pay-per-view numbers if he challenged himself.
“If he fought me, we would both bring in fans and the fight would be tremendous.”
For me Mosley greater than Mayweather. Mayweather is a coward he don't fight the best.
He is right why fighting the best lightweight at 147? He should fight Mosley, Cotto or Pacquiao. He is not the best if he keep ducking this fighters.
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Hmm, how come?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Seems like its been good for boxing to me, there are times when ESPN seems to care more about the WNBA or bowling than boxing. Yet its been all over the place lately.
The period since the Hatton-Pacquaio fight has seen more mainstream coverage of boxing than there has been for a long time here. Great little moment for boxing. Just need to ride it out, keep making big fights with the stars of the sport.
And Brian Kenny becoming sort of a go to guy for boxing and boxing interviews on ESPN is great for the sport.
Mosley should at least try and stay busy. Might end up nearly being a year since beating Margarito before he gets in the ring again. I hate it when boxers become inactive. He's getting old too.
I just don't like Brian Kenny, although thinking about it I don't like most boxing broadcasters or writers. I also found the Mosley interview a bit cringeworthy because Shane didn't seem a natural at the trash talk & looked like he was reading off some cue cards just below the camera. He also should have pushed him the same way he did Floyd, such as asking him why he's turned down a fight with Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanHmm, how come?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Seems like its been good for boxing to me, there are times when ESPN seems to care more about the WNBA or bowling than boxing. Yet its been all over the place lately.
The period since the Hatton-Pacquaio fight has seen more mainstream coverage of boxing than there has been for a long time here. Great little moment for boxing. Just need to ride it out, keep making big fights with the stars of the sport.
And Brian Kenny becoming sort of a go to guy for boxing and boxing interviews on ESPN is great for the sport.
I suppose I didn't think about it being better for boxing in the long-term, that's a good point, although I think this period will only last as long as PBF & Manny are around, as they're the only 2 internationally recognizable stars that the sport currently has (guys like Shane, JMM & Cotto being slightly on the periphery of that). Would like in a way to see more crossroads fights with guys like Ortiz, Williams, Berto getting a shot at the top guys now to try create more future stars
I think thats more down to the Brits knowing Floyd through the Hatton fight. Had Shane knocked Hatton out he would be better known in London but I think Shane is more popular than Floyd. If someone did a poll of who is more liked Shane wins it hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinIf Floyd called Marquez an easy warm-up people would rightly be disgusted. People say they give him more credit if he's honest, but that's what he does when he says that he fights for money. Also no way that Shane is anywhere near the attraction, if he was doing a training session in London, you would probably get about 100-200 people turning up & that's being optimistic. Floyd does one & a 1000+ people come along.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEJust as when Floyd sold big vs Oscar it was because of Oscars fans. Shane also did big ppv vs Vargas but unless Floyd has a big name in the other corner he isnt a big attraction either .Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
For Floyd to fight Marquez over Shane by saying he is a bigger ppv attraction is a joke. Marquez is a guy who went to Indionesia afew years ago for 30k. Floyd would have come away with more credit by saying he wants an easy warm up vs the lightweight champ before he takes on the welterweight champ. But to say its cuz Marquez has a country behind him etc is a poor excuse.
Nope, a very big number of those there are kids from the inner-cities like myself, a lot of who know Floyd more because he rolls with people in rap & because of his success. Where I live Mayweather is WAY more popular than Hatton, in fact I'd say people who wouldn't know who Hatton or Calzaghe is, know Floyd Mayweather. He's by far the most popular boxer for younger people, for most of whom Shane Mosley just doesn't register. Mosley may be more popular among boxing fans, but not the general public.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI think thats more down to the Brits knowing Floyd through the Hatton fight. Had Shane knocked Hatton out he would be better known in London but I think Shane is more popular than Floyd. If someone did a poll of who is more liked Shane wins it hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinIf Floyd called Marquez an easy warm-up people would rightly be disgusted. People say they give him more credit if he's honest, but that's what he does when he says that he fights for money. Also no way that Shane is anywhere near the attraction, if he was doing a training session in London, you would probably get about 100-200 people turning up & that's being optimistic. Floyd does one & a 1000+ people come along.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by TaethHe won the linear and ring championship from Baldomir and beat his predecessor Zab Judah before him. When did he have the oppertunity to fight Cotto? Cotto's defining fight was against Mosley, and that took place weeks if not a week before Mayweather-Hatton after which Mayweather retired. Margarito is obviously a joke, if he couldn't deal with Mosley's movement and defensive skills how would he land a punch on Mayweather? Let alone beat him... And no Mayweather didn't stick around, he went up to 154 to win a belt against Oscar De La Hoya who was arguably the best fighter at 154 at the time. Then he beat Hatton who people had wanted Floyd to fight for 4 or 5 years? Sure Mosley knocked out Mayorga, but that was in the twelth round, look at what Oscar did to Mayorga, and that was a better Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoomFloyd WAS the True Welterweight champ after he beat Baldomir. That was the only time though. Then he chose to fight Oscar and Hatton, neither of whom were welterweight champions. Now its been three years since he was a legit Welterweight champion and he tries to act like he has done enough in that time to still be considered the best Welterweight in the world. He could have fought Margarito, Cotto, or Mosley, to prove that he really is the best but he didnt. He retired. And now hes back to fight a lightweight at Welterweight. Shane is right that if Floyd fought the same opposition as him, he would have loses too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Also its ironic, Thought Mosley had already moved up to 147, Mayweather was calling him out to fight at 135-140ish, and Mosley refused saying he was p4p#1, and that Mayweather wasn't worth his time monetarily.
I wouldnt listen to Floyd haters really. If Floyd had moved up and beat Cory Spinks who was the best at 154 they would have just said that Spinks was nothing special and he should have fought Oscar. It doesn't matter. People try to say the belts dont matter so you fight this guy and that guy but when Floyd fights and beats them they say "What about the guy holding the belt there" etc.
Floyd is the one who insists he is as great as the likes of SRL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHe won the linear and ring championship from Baldomir and beat his predecessor Zab Judah before him. When did he have the oppertunity to fight Cotto? Cotto's defining fight was against Mosley, and that took place weeks if not a week before Mayweather-Hatton after which Mayweather retired. Margarito is obviously a joke, if he couldn't deal with Mosley's movement and defensive skills how would he land a punch on Mayweather? Let alone beat him... And no Mayweather didn't stick around, he went up to 154 to win a belt against Oscar De La Hoya who was arguably the best fighter at 154 at the time. Then he beat Hatton who people had wanted Floyd to fight for 4 or 5 years? Sure Mosley knocked out Mayorga, but that was in the twelth round, look at what Oscar did to Mayorga, and that was a better Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Also its ironic, Thought Mosley had already moved up to 147, Mayweather was calling him out to fight at 135-140ish, and Mosley refused saying he was p4p#1, and that Mayweather wasn't worth his time monetarily.
I wouldnt listen to Floyd haters really. If Floyd had moved up and beat Cory Spinks who was the best at 154 they would have just said that Spinks was nothing special and he should have fought Oscar. It doesn't matter. People try to say the belts dont matter so you fight this guy and that guy but when Floyd fights and beats them they say "What about the guy holding the belt there" etc.
He also insists he is the 'cash cow' of boxing, which he clearly isn't.
He has avoided Cotto, Margarito and Mosley when they were all fighting each.
He still says he is the best P4P fighter in the world, like boxing was somehow frozen in time in his absence.
Says Mosley is not 'worthy' due to having 5 losses on his record. Gatti and Baldomir must have been lucky......or was it Gatti's popularity and a piss poor undisputed champ that swayed him?
These are my MAJOR beefs regarding Floyd.
He is an exeptional talent but too shit scared of losing his 0, so we won't ever find out how great he could of been.
Well, what can I say. I'm a huge Mosley nuthugger. Mayweather's just so afraid of him, IMO. They could have fought before but PBF's been ducking him.lol.
Mayweather's afraid to get SUGAR SHANED!!!:cool:
Fair enough, Bruce. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
thats funny cause here in the states floyd is not really known to "roll" with people in rap. You only really see him with 50 cent in youtube clips. Where you live Floyd is bigger than hatton and Calzaghe? so where exactly do you live? Im suprise really unless you live here in the states too cause for sure floyd is bigger then any british fighter here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinNope, a very big number of those there are kids from the inner-cities like myself, a lot of who know Floyd more because he rolls with people in rap & because of his success. Where I live Mayweather is WAY more popular than Hatton, in fact I'd say people who wouldn't know who Hatton or Calzaghe is, know Floyd Mayweather. He's by far the most popular boxer for younger people, for most of whom Shane Mosley just doesn't register. Mosley may be more popular among boxing fans, but not the general public.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI think thats more down to the Brits knowing Floyd through the Hatton fight. Had Shane knocked Hatton out he would be better known in London but I think Shane is more popular than Floyd. If someone did a poll of who is more liked Shane wins it hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Game is right, Shane is actually more known then floyd. Shanes two big fights with Oscar brought him to the public eyes way before floyd was heard of. Plus having the name "sugar" gets you extra attention. I think anybody who knows any sport knows the name "sugar" now a days i think shane is the icon when that name comes up.