Would a Carl Froch vs Joe Calzaghe fight be the biggest in British history? What was the biggest fight in British history?
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Would a Carl Froch vs Joe Calzaghe fight be the biggest in British history? What was the biggest fight in British history?
Nah I can't see it, it would be nothing on the scale of, say....Lewis v Bruno or Eubank v Benn. They were pretty huge over here, you know, when you could watch boxing on TV (fuck I miss those days)
Depends if froch can beat one or two more champions convincingly.
Nah i don't think so. Be a very good fight but not quite on the scale of Benn -Eubank, Bruno - Lewis
Hatton - Khan would have a better shot imo maybe 12 months down the line.
LOL. Like anything can top Danny Williams-Audley Harrison.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Well they are 1-1. Maybe the rubber match can
wouldn't come close to eubank vs benn
no chance it would be anywhere near as big as benn v eubank, when those to fought over 10 million people watched it live which was what the england football team was getting during the world cup that year so that was massive figures for a local fight............no one gives a toss about calzaghe, even after the pac-man loss people where saying atleast hatton had the courage to go fight top guys in there prime unlike calzaghe, thats what reporters and fans where saying so no way would that fight be as big
Agreed wholeheartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL
Benn vs Eubank was the fight that the entire nation stopped to watch.
You stop any random person in the street and ask them if they know Carl Froch. I will give you a 100 quid if you find anybody who knows who in the blue hell he is.
Calzaghe was also never as big as Eubank or Benn. I still think those guys did more for British boxing than JC. They garnered so much more interest. I don't know what it was - They were huge characters unlike bland JC.
Makes me nostalgic thinking about those days.
Benn & Eubank were bigger than Calzaghe because their fights were on ITV ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzAgreed wholeheartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL
Benn vs Eubank was the fight that the entire nation stopped to watch.
You stop any random person in the street and ask them if they know Carl Froch. I will give you a 100 quid if you find anybody who knows who in the blue hell he is.
Calzaghe was also never as big as Eubank or Benn. I still think those guys did more for British boxing than JC. They garnered so much more interest. I don't know what it was - They were huge characters unlike bland JC.
Makes me nostalgic thinking about those days.
I see, so the money is not there for Joe to come out of retirement. I know that Froch has called out Joe. If I was Carl I'll keep my mouth shut. I've been to England 26 years ago and loved it. I wish I could live there.
Agreed, McGuigan v Pedrosa was huge too on free TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
This fight could never be bigger than Eubank v Benn..Froch is a good fighter but he is'nt in the same league as Joe to make it a massive fight of such proportions!!
Hatton v Witter would ceratainly be up there tho!
35,000 for Manfredo, 50,000 for Kessler, Sport personality of the year award and a plethora of primetime chat/game/award shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL
Calzaghe made a name for himself in the end.
Froch's top number is 6000 in Nottingham and had NO live TV for his first Grade-1 opponent.
I don't think Calzaghe is the weak link here ;)
Plus he's the only Welshman of Italian origin to be on Fight Night round 4Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster35,000 for Manfredo, 50,000 for Kessler, Sport personality of the year award and a plethora of primetime chat/game/award shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL
Calzaghe made a name for himself in the end.
Froch's top number is 6000 in Nottingham and had NO live TV for his first Grade-1 opponent.
I don't think Calzaghe is the weak link here ;)
The only fight that would get close is the hypothetical one of Hatton v Calzaghe. Hatton v Witter wouldn't be that big because Witter is not a known name, just like Froch. To be honest, I can't see any so called 'Super Fight' of any magnitude happening domestically for a long time, mainly because boxing as a whole is not anywhere near as popular as it once was, and probably never will be again. And we have Sky to thank for that.
Are you serious? Not enough people in Britain would give a shit. Hell, not enough people in Bradford would give a shit. Hatton vs. Khan would generate so much more public interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
Really? No one in England knows who Carl Froch is? Do you know who Paul McCartney is?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzAgreed wholeheartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL
Benn vs Eubank was the fight that the entire nation stopped to watch.
You stop any random person in the street and ask them if they know Carl Froch. I will give you a 100 quid if you find anybody who knows who in the blue hell he is.
Calzaghe was also never as big as Eubank or Benn. I still think those guys did more for British boxing than JC. They garnered so much more interest. I don't know what it was - They were huge characters unlike bland JC.
Makes me nostalgic thinking about those days.
Am I missing something? What has Paul McCartney got to do with this? And no, if you asked anybody on the street who doesn't follow boxing they wouldn't have a clue who he was.
Well I guess Joe will stay retired.
About the two chicks in the picture. I have a birthday coming up if you're looking for a gift.;D Always been a big fan of British boxing. I thought Joe coming out of retirement to take on the young lion would be big. Guess I was wrong. I wish to thank all my British brothers for posting on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I'm completely serious...this would be a massive fight in the British Boxing Calender!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAre you serious? Not enough people in Britain would give a shit. Hell, not enough people in Bradford would give a shit. Hatton vs. Khan would generate so much more public interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
At this moment in time both Hatton and Junior are out on a limb and in the wilderness...with Witter getting a shot at the WBC belt it could be a credible way of getting Ricky back in the mix if he wins it!!
It would certainly be a sell out where ever they fought and to suggest otherwise :rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It would generate massive PPV figures if not only for the reason Hatton fans would to see Ricky shut Junior the Fuck up...for once and for all.
This fight most definitely would'nt come second to seeing him fight Khan....no way..they would probably both be on a Par and generate massive purses...especially with the history of animosity between both men!!
Amir does'nt even come into the equation at the moment for me,regardless of what bullshit he has been spouting today he has'nt got the pull of a fight between two of the Countries biggest rivals!
No one knows who Witter is, yes Hatton should of fought him but Hatton v Rees would be just as ££ rewarding as Hatton V Witter no one cares about Witter, Hatton v Kahn is much bigger fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2I'm completely serious...this would be a massive fight in the British Boxing Calender!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAre you serious? Not enough people in Britain would give a shit. Hell, not enough people in Bradford would give a shit. Hatton vs. Khan would generate so much more public interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
At this moment in time both Hatton and Junior are out on a limb and in the wilderness...with Witter getting a shot at the WBC belt it could be a credible way of getting Ricky back in the mix if he wins it!!
It would certainly be a sell out where ever they fought and to suggest otherwise :rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It would generate massive PPV figures if not only for the reason Hatton fans would to see Ricky shut Junior the Fuck up...for once and for all.
This fight most definitely would'nt come second to seeing him fight Khan....no way..they would probably both be on a Par and generate massive purses...especially with the history of animosity between both men!!
Amir does'nt even come into the equation at the moment for me,regardless of what bullshit he has been spouting today he has'nt got the pull of a fight between two of the Countries biggest rivals!
Don't be so ridiculous...to even mention REES in the same breath as Ricky and Junior is:vd::vd:...now that would be 1 fight hard to sell:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983No one knows who Witter is, yes Hatton should of fought him but Hatton v Rees would be just as ££ rewarding as Hatton V Witter no one cares about Witter, Hatton v Kahn is much bigger fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2I'm completely serious...this would be a massive fight in the British Boxing Calender!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
At this moment in time both Hatton and Junior are out on a limb and in the wilderness...with Witter getting a shot at the WBC belt it could be a credible way of getting Ricky back in the mix if he wins it!!
It would certainly be a sell out where ever they fought and to suggest otherwise :rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It would generate massive PPV figures if not only for the reason Hatton fans would to see Ricky shut Junior the Fuck up...for once and for all.
This fight most definitely would'nt come second to seeing him fight Khan....no way..they would probably both be on a Par and generate massive purses...especially with the history of animosity between both men!!
Amir does'nt even come into the equation at the moment for me,regardless of what bullshit he has been spouting today he has'nt got the pull of a fight between two of the Countries biggest rivals!
At this point in both of their respective careers to deny that it would be a fight that would get fans wanting to see them especially with the History of abuse that Junior has passed Ricky's way virtually unanswered would definitely get the punters up for it...LETS FACE IT HATTON FANS WOULD PAY TO SEE HIM BEAT A DUSTY RUG!
hatton and calzaghe are household names over here
the regular sports fan knows guys like david haye and amir khan and thats about it.
Carl Froch for all his accomplishments is still very much an unknown.
As for the biggest ever british fight - been said already Benn-Eubank but i do remember a hell of a lot of publicity for bruno-lewis despite the fact at the time britain still widely regarded lennox as a foreigner
Calzaghe v David Starie was massive , Starie was such a deserving challenger.:LOLATYOU:
Hatton could sell a fight if he was fighting norris off coronation street, Witter i repeat noone knows who he is, even some of the Us fight fans havents seen him fight, Witter-Hatton should happen because of the rivalry etc etc but its not a huge financial fight, HBO or not intrested iN Witter hes fucking garbabe, Hatton if fights again i fell Kahn as the£££ would be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Don't be so ridiculous...to even mention REES in the same breath as Ricky and Junior is:vd::vd:...now that would be 1 fight hard to sell:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983No one knows who Witter is, yes Hatton should of fought him but Hatton v Rees would be just as ££ rewarding as Hatton V Witter no one cares about Witter, Hatton v Kahn is much bigger fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
At this point in both of their respective careers to deny that it would be a fight that would get fans wanting to see them especially with the History of abuse that Junior has passed Ricky's way virtually unanswered would definitely get the punters up for it...LETS FACE IT HATTON FANS WOULD PAY TO SEE HIM BEAT A DUSTY RUG!
Hatton could sell a fight if he was fighting norris off coronation street, Witter i repeat noone knows who he is, even some of the Us fight fans havents seen him fight, Witter-Hatton should happen because of the rivalry etc etc but its not a huge financial fight, HBO or not intrested iN Witter hes fucking garbabe, Hatton if fights again i fell Kahn as the£££ would be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Don't be so ridiculous...to even mention REES in the same breath as Ricky and Junior is:vd::vd:...now that would be 1 fight hard to sell:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983No one knows who Witter is, yes Hatton should of fought him but Hatton v Rees would be just as ££ rewarding as Hatton V Witter no one cares about Witter, Hatton v Kahn is much bigger fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
At this point in both of their respective careers to deny that it would be a fight that would get fans wanting to see them especially with the History of abuse that Junior has passed Ricky's way virtually unanswered would definitely get the punters up for it...LETS FACE IT HATTON FANS WOULD PAY TO SEE HIM BEAT A DUSTY RUG!
Hatton v Khan would be a huge Stadium fight and easily draw in 50-60,000 just on Hattons name alone.
Forch is still pretty unknown due to lack of exposure and i don't think anything will ever rival the hype and true hatred between Benn and Eubank.
I think the viewing figures on ITV (Terrestrial tv) were well over 12 million for Benn v Eubank.
Basically the whole of the UK knew who these 2 fighters were:cool:
That wasn't even a main event, it was part of the undercard to Tyson-Francis ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Yea that kinda sums it up , an undefeated world lol champion fighting on the under card of a former HW champ , against a British standard fighter , who John Ruiz has KOED in 2. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterThat wasn't even a main event, it was part of the undercard to Tyson-Francis ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Calzaghe v Starie was just MASSIVE.
Dean Francis would have beaten that version of Joe Galzgahe who was very very poor and struggled with Starie who Dean had easily Koed.
Hatton-Khan is the only fight that could be a British Superfight approaching the level of Benn-Eubank. Could sell out Wembley Stadium easily for that one, although I reckon they would do it in the City of Manchester of a stadium with a retractable roof
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Originally Posted by skel1983Hatton could sell a fight if he was fighting norris off coronation street, Witter i repeat noone knows who he is, even some of the Us fight fans havents seen him fight, Witter-Hatton should happen because of the rivalry etc etc but its not a huge financial fight, HBO or not intrested iN Witter hes fucking garbabe, Hatton if fights again i fell Kahn as the£££ would be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Don't be so ridiculous...to even mention REES in the same breath as Ricky and Junior is:vd::vd:...now that would be 1 fight hard to sell:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
At this point in both of their respective careers to deny that it would be a fight that would get fans wanting to see them especially with the History of abuse that Junior has passed Ricky's way virtually unanswered would definitely get the punters up for it...LETS FACE IT HATTON FANS WOULD PAY TO SEE HIM BEAT A DUSTY RUG!
::**::** You are contradicting yourself on a couple of things!!
You say the punters would'nt want it,but he could sell out against NORRIS from Corry..which is it? Does he have the pulling power or not?
And that Fans would just as watch him fight Rees...when that fight would actually be the hardest to sell and would'nt come close to him fighting Junior;)
I'm certainly no Witter fan...But to sugest none of the American fight fans know him,when they were ranked 1 and 2 before he fought Bradley is hugely underestimating him!!:rolleyes: Especially when Hatton made massive figures against Lazcano when even the staunchest of Hatton fans were pulling there hair out when Ricky was refusing to take him on...
When its all said and done..this thread is about British fighters fighting each and not based upon wether an American audience would watch..which they most definitely would!
I don't think the argument is about whether its the fight boxing fans want, but the difference is Junior Witter isn't a recognizable name to your average member of the public, who don't have a clue who's ranked #1 & #2, whilst Khan is probably the biggest active name apart from Hatton & maybe Haye. That's why Khan is a bigger sell, because he has a fanbase beyond boxing fans. Witter would definitely be the biggest fight after Khan, although nowhere near as profitable, and is bigger than anything else domestic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Hatton could sell a fight if he was fighting norris off coronation street, Witter i repeat noone knows who he is, even some of the Us fight fans havents seen him fight, Witter-Hatton should happen because of the rivalry etc etc but its not a huge financial fight, HBO or not intrested iN Witter hes fucking garbabe, Hatton if fights again i fell Kahn as the£££ would be huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
::**::** You are contradicting yourself on a couple of things!!
You say the punters would'nt want it,but he could sell out against NORRIS from Corry..which is it? Does he have the pulling power or not?
And that Fans would just as watch him fight Rees...when that fight would actually be the hardest to sell and would'nt come close to him fighting Junior;)
I'm certainly no Witter fan...But to sugest none of the American fight fans know him,when they were ranked 1 and 2 before he fought Bradley is hugely underestimating him!!:rolleyes: Especially when Hatton made massive figures against Lazcano when even the staunchest of Hatton fans were pulling there hair out when Ricky was refusing to take him on...
When its all said and done..this thread is about British fighters fighting each and not based upon wether an American audience would watch..which they most definitely would!
Ive never debated that a khan fight would not make Big Money...But most Hatton fans I know and that includes myself...would rather see him fight Junior than Amir!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI don't think the argument is about whether its the fight boxing fans want, but the difference is Junior Witter isn't a recognizable name to your average member of the public, who don't have a clue who's ranked #1 & #2, whilst Khan is probably the biggest active name apart from Hatton & maybe Haye. That's why Khan is a bigger sell, because he has a fanbase beyond boxing fans. Witter would definitely be the biggest fight after Khan, although nowhere near as profitable, and is bigger than anything else domestic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
::**::** You are contradicting yourself on a couple of things!!
You say the punters would'nt want it,but he could sell out against NORRIS from Corry..which is it? Does he have the pulling power or not?
And that Fans would just as watch him fight Rees...when that fight would actually be the hardest to sell and would'nt come close to him fighting Junior;)
I'm certainly no Witter fan...But to sugest none of the American fight fans know him,when they were ranked 1 and 2 before he fought Bradley is hugely underestimating him!!:rolleyes: Especially when Hatton made massive figures against Lazcano when even the staunchest of Hatton fans were pulling there hair out when Ricky was refusing to take him on...
When its all said and done..this thread is about British fighters fighting each and not based upon wether an American audience would watch..which they most definitely would!
The point I was making was that Junior has been his biggest domestic rival and has actively pursued a fight with Ricky for years...This fight most definitely would be a preference for the majority of Hatton fans and to even suggest as someone has...that no-one even knows who Junior is:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Agreed, I think a Witter fight be more competitive because Hatton actually dislikes him enough to maybe pull that one last performance out, whereas with Khan I think Hatton is more concerned with the cash & we see a ODLH-Chavez like fight. Witter gives Hatton the motivation to train properly & to approach the fight right. A Khan fight has Ricky doin way too much promotional bollocks & probably on a late night chat show like he was the night before the Pac fight. But, the reality is Witter isn't a recognizable name to your casual fan, even to some of Hatton's travelling brigade of morons, which I think is what that poster was getting atQuote:
Originally Posted by mofo2Ive never debated that a khan fight would not make Big Money...But most Hatton fans I know and that includes myself...would rather see him fight Junior than Amir!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI don't think the argument is about whether its the fight boxing fans want, but the difference is Junior Witter isn't a recognizable name to your average member of the public, who don't have a clue who's ranked #1 & #2, whilst Khan is probably the biggest active name apart from Hatton & maybe Haye. That's why Khan is a bigger sell, because he has a fanbase beyond boxing fans. Witter would definitely be the biggest fight after Khan, although nowhere near as profitable, and is bigger than anything else domestic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
The point I was making was that Junior has been his biggest domestic rival and has actively pursued a fight with Ricky for years...This fight most definitely would be a preference for the majority of Hatton fans and to even suggest as someone has...that no-one even knows who Junior is:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Hatton fans know Junior...believe me!
But because some boxers are higher profile to the general public means nothing really,its the fight fans going to watch Ricky in there thousands and paying on PPV to see him that matter!! Joe Bloggs on the street does'nt give a monkeys about paying for Box office or going to the Venues,so wether the Granny knows Amir as the Silver medalist with good manners over Witter matters not!
I was at Ricky's last fight, and those 'fight fans' didn't know who Juan Manuel Marquez was or in some cases who Shane Mosley was. They were the average Joe Bloggs in the street & if it was just boxing fans paying for PPV, Hatton would not be such a big sell. The fact is it is the people who know who Amir the Silver medallist is that define how well these fights sell. See the difference when Hatton fought Mayweather (a guy with a profile pre-Hatton) & when he fought Malignaggi or Lazcano, which is the level of profile Witter brings. The general public are the ones who define how well a fight does.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
I can't agree..Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI was at Ricky's last fight, and those 'fight fans' didn't know who Juan Manuel Marquez was or in some cases who Shane Mosley was. They were the average Joe Bloggs in the street & if it was just boxing fans paying for PPV, Hatton would not be such a big sell. The fact is it is the people who know who Amir the Silver medallist is that define how well these fights sell. See the difference when Hatton fought Mayweather (a guy with a profile pre-Hatton) & when he fought Malignaggi or Lazcano, which is the level of profile Witter brings. The general public are the ones who define how well a fight does.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
You can pick up a small number of punters because they see your're profile on the Telly and that will always happen,but that does'nt mean Ricky has'nt an extremely loyal following that knows there boxing!!
Because of them he can carry any fight he chooses when it comes to sell outs...Maybe his fights will not generate figures to PBF proportions but thats a bit unfair to compare it to Paulie or Lazcano fights..they were never going to...but they were still massive money makers and he fought Lazcano in front of 50.000!!
He could do the same with Junior!!
Just my 2p worth...good debate tho!
I think Hatton generates a fanbase for who he is & what he represents to his fans rather than how he fights, because I'd say 90% of those fans in Vegas knew next to nothing about boxing & were just an embarassment to Ricky & this country. He could do the same with Witter as Paulie or Lazcano, I'm not denying that, but against Khan he could feasibly get the capacity of Wembley & some of the pitch. Witter would be a 50,000 fight, Khan is a 100,000 because he brings in his fair share of his own fans. Witter doesn't. My point with teh Floyd thing is that his name brought fans in, like I've said before, where I live people were buying to see & support Floyd. I doubt many people in UK were buying because they were Malignaggi fans. Khan has a big following. Witter just doesn't because at the core of it, he is a twat. I would definitely prefer Ricky-Witter, but its as risky for Ricky with less rewardQuote:
Originally Posted by mofo2I can't agree..Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI was at Ricky's last fight, and those 'fight fans' didn't know who Juan Manuel Marquez was or in some cases who Shane Mosley was. They were the average Joe Bloggs in the street & if it was just boxing fans paying for PPV, Hatton would not be such a big sell. The fact is it is the people who know who Amir the Silver medallist is that define how well these fights sell. See the difference when Hatton fought Mayweather (a guy with a profile pre-Hatton) & when he fought Malignaggi or Lazcano, which is the level of profile Witter brings. The general public are the ones who define how well a fight does.Quote:
Originally Posted by mofo2
You can pick up a small number of punters because they see your're profile on the Telly and that will always happen,but that does'nt mean Ricky has'nt an extremely loyal following that knows there boxing!!
Because of them he can carry any fight he chooses when it comes to sell outs...Maybe his fights will not generate figures to PBF proportions but thats a bit unfair to compare it to Paulie or Lazcano fights..they were never going to...but they were still massive money makers and he fought Lazcano in front of 50.000!!
He could do the same with Junior!!
Just my 2p worth...good debate tho!