Anyone else reckon the Haye fight is off 'cause Setanta aint paid him?

We all know they're going bust; and we all know that the only money Haye is getting is the Setanta money.

It was always just about the money. Read up. Pretty much explains everything

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...followers.html

Yol, VD, as you know your stuff, can you name fights that have happened where the money was irrelevant?

What guys fight or have fought for free?

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Yol, VD, as you know your stuff, can you name fights that have happened where the money was irrelevant?

What guys fight or have fought for free?

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I was wondering that too.

Don't know of ANY other fighter who would climb into the ring potentially risking there life for no money:)

Hobos, but VD should know all about that.

I would have thought Haye would have had a percentage of the gate.....the Setanta money would have been a side issue?

All rather fishy if you ask me

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I would have thought Haye would have had a percentage of the gate.....the Setanta money would have been a side issue?

All rather fishy if you ask me

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The contract was always a little lob-sided; all the European money and American money to Klitch, as well as the gate. Plus a rematch and a challenge for his bro to Haye's UK money.

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Yol, VD, as you know your stuff, can you name fights that have happened where the money was irrelevant?

What guys fight or have fought for free?

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Terry Norris-Paul Vaden. Fight was on Fox. Norris took less money than Vaden in this unification fight just for the oppertunity to fight his bitter rival. Both were from San Diego and they hated each other. From the beginning Norris said he no desire to knock Vaden out. What he wanted was to punish him for 12 rounds. And he did. Even after beating his ass Norris refused to shake hands with him

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Yol, VD, as you know your stuff, can you name fights that have happened where the money was irrelevant?

What guys fight or have fought for free?

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Terry Norris-Paul Vaden. Fight was on Fox. Norris took less money than Vaden in this unification fight just for the oppertunity to fight his bitter rival. Both were from San Diego and they hated each other. From the beginning Norris said he no desire to knock Vaden out. What he wanted was to punish him for 12 rounds. And he did. Even after beating his ass Norris refused to shake hands with him

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So they BOTH still got paid, right? That means the money WAS relevant.

You know any fighters that have fought for no pay?

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Yol, VD, as you know your stuff, can you name fights that have happened where the money was irrelevant?

What guys fight or have fought for free?

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Terry Norris-Paul Vaden. Fight was on Fox. Norris took less money than Vaden in this unification fight just for the oppertunity to fight his bitter rival. Both were from San Diego and they hated each other. From the beginning Norris said he no desire to knock Vaden out. What he wanted was to punish him for 12 rounds. And he did. Even after beating his ass Norris refused to shake hands with him

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So they BOTH still got paid, right? That means the money WAS relevant.

You know any fighters that have fought for no pay?

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The money is relevant when it becomes an issue. It was never an issue for Norris.

No fighter is allowed to fight for free. No matter what they say. You should know that

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Terry Norris-Paul Vaden. Fight was on Fox. Norris took less money than Vaden in this unification fight just for the oppertunity to fight his bitter rival. Both were from San Diego and they hated each other. From the beginning Norris said he no desire to knock Vaden out. What he wanted was to punish him for 12 rounds. And he did. Even after beating his ass Norris refused to shake hands with him

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So they BOTH still got paid, right? That means the money WAS relevant.

You know any fighters that have fought for no pay?

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The money is relevant when it becomes an issue. It was never an issue for Norris.

No fighter is allowed to fight for free. No matter what they say. You should know that

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The money wasn't an issue but Norris still got paid, right? It must have been an issue. So what were their purses?

Why isn't a fighter allowed to fight for free?

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So they BOTH still got paid, right? That means the money WAS relevant.

You know any fighters that have fought for no pay?

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The money is relevant when it becomes an issue. It was never an issue for Norris.

No fighter is allowed to fight for free. No matter what they say. You should know that

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The money wasn't an issue but Norris still got paid, right? It must have been an issue. So what were their purses?

Why isn't a fighter allowed to fight for free?

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:vd: You work for free at your job? Only an idiot would fight for free. But lets say there is a fighter who's stupid enough to fight for free. You really think his trainer, promoter and manager would do the same? No. Even if he didn't want it he would almost be forced to take it

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The money is relevant when it becomes an issue. It was never an issue for Norris.

No fighter is allowed to fight for free. No matter what they say. You should know that

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The money wasn't an issue but Norris still got paid, right? It must have been an issue. So what were their purses?

Why isn't a fighter allowed to fight for free?

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:vd: You work for free at your job? Only an idiot would fight for free. But lets say there is a fighter who's stupid enough to fight for free. You really think his trainer, promoter and manager would do the same? No. Even if he didn't want it he would almost be forced to take it

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Right.. you said "No fighter is allowed to fight for free" - So it's not illegal, right? Just plain fucking stupid.

Just like it's plain fucking stupid to suggest money is irrelevant, right?

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

if the Setanta network is going bust then how are they supposed to pay him anything?

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The money wasn't an issue but Norris still got paid, right? It must have been an issue. So what were their purses?

Why isn't a fighter allowed to fight for free?

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:vd: You work for free at your job? Only an idiot would fight for free. But lets say there is a fighter who's stupid enough to fight for free. You really think his trainer, promoter and manager would do the same? No. Even if he didn't want it he would almost be forced to take it

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Right.. you said "No fighter is allowed to fight for free" So it's not illegal, right? Just plain fucking stupid.

Just like it's plain fucking stupid to suggest money is irrelevant, right?

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

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I'm thinking your saying Haye shouldn't fight for free. I agree. What exactly is your point?

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if the Setanta network is going bust then how are they supposed to pay him anything?

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Simple. They don't

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:vd: You work for free at your job? Only an idiot would fight for free. But lets say there is a fighter who's stupid enough to fight for free. You really think his trainer, promoter and manager would do the same? No. Even if he didn't want it he would almost be forced to take it

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Right.. you said "No fighter is allowed to fight for free" So it's not illegal, right? Just plain fucking stupid.

Just like it's plain fucking stupid to suggest money is irrelevant, right?

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

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I'm thinking your saying Haye shouldn't fight for free. I agree. What exactly is your point?

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I know you agree. Only a complete IDIOT would suggest a pro boxer would fight for free. Money dictates the game. Boxing is all about the money. If you ain't getting paid you aint fighting. Fact.

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

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Right.. you said "No fighter is allowed to fight for free" So it's not illegal, right? Just plain fucking stupid.

Just like it's plain fucking stupid to suggest money is irrelevant, right?

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

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I'm thinking your saying Haye shouldn't fight for free. I agree. What exactly is your point?

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I know you agree. Only a complete IDIOT would suggest a pro boxer would fight for free. Money dictates the game. Boxing is all about the money. If you ain't getting paid you aint fighting. Fact.

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

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If memory serves me right it was 1.5 mill for Vaden. 1.3 for Norris. Which is a joke of a purse for Norris

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if the Setanta network is going bust then how are they supposed to pay him anything?

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Simple. They don't

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Only an idiot would fight for free.

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if the Setanta network is going bust then how are they supposed to pay him anything?

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Simple. They don't

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Only an idiot would fight for free.

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We covered that already. Try and keep up

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I'm thinking your saying Haye shouldn't fight for free. I agree. What exactly is your point?

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I know you agree. Only a complete IDIOT would suggest a pro boxer would fight for free. Money dictates the game. Boxing is all about the money. If you ain't getting paid you aint fighting. Fact.

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

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If memory serves me right it was 1.5 mill for Vaden. 1.3 for Norris. Which is a joke of a purse for Norris

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Not quite, VD. ;)

Vaden's $250,000 purse was withheld for "conduct unbecoming a champion,"

BOXING;Once Tyson Manages to Land, So Does Mathis - The New York Times

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I know you agree. Only a complete IDIOT would suggest a pro boxer would fight for free. Money dictates the game. Boxing is all about the money. If you ain't getting paid you aint fighting. Fact.

What were Norris and Vaden's purses?

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If memory serves me right it was 1.5 mill for Vaden. 1.3 for Norris. Which is a joke of a purse for Norris

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Not quite, VD. ;)

Vaden's $250,000 purse was withheld for "conduct unbecoming a champion,"

BOXING;Once Tyson Manages to Land, So Does Mathis - The New York Times

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Like i said if memory serves me right.

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Simple. They don't

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Only an idiot would fight for free.

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We covered that already. Try and keep up

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So haye is all about the money and always has been and that's the only reason he wants the fight... but you don't think he should fight for free?

Seems like you're either making an irrelevant, moot point if all you're doing is pointing out that nobody fights for free or you're criticising Haye for being all about money and then contradicting yourself.

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If memory serves me right it was 1.5 mill for Vaden. 1.3 for Norris. Which is a joke of a purse for Norris

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Not quite, VD. ;)

Vaden's $250,000 purse was withheld for "conduct unbecoming a champion,"

BOXING;Once Tyson Manages to Land, So Does Mathis - The New York Times

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Like i said if memory serves me right.

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Don't worry...
You were only 1.25 million off.

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Only an idiot would fight for free.

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We covered that already. Try and keep up

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So haye is all about the money and always has been and that's the only reason he wants the fight... but you don't think he should fight for free?

Seems like you're either making an irrelevant, moot point if all you're doing is pointing out that nobody fights for free or you're criticising Haye for being all about money and then contradicting yourself.

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Your not to bright are you? How exactly am I contradicting myself? Did I say Haye should go along with the fight without being paid?

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Not quite, VD. ;)

Vaden's $250,000 purse was withheld for "conduct unbecoming a champion,"

BOXING;Once Tyson Manages to Land, So Does Mathis - The New York Times

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Like i said if memory serves me right.

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Don't worry...
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That happens when you try and think back 14 years ago

Tommy Gibbons fought for free when he challenged for Jack Dempsey's Heavyweight crown.

Dempsey was one of the greatest draws in boxing history, but the Gibbons fight was a financial disaster with barely anybody showing up to see it.

Dempsey and his manager Kearns had worked out a guaranteed purse of $300 thousand, and the town of Shelby, Montana went bankrupt paying it.

There was nothing left for Gibbons.

Shortly after, Gibbons went on tour and made some money by retelling the tale of his battle with Dempsey.

A few months later, Dempsey drew over 80 thousand people in attendance for the Firpo fight with an estimated 20 thousand more left out on the street as the venue was jam-packed to the rafters.

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Tommy Gibbons fought for free when he challenged for Jack Dempsey's Heavyweight crown.

Dempsey was one of the greatest draws in boxing history, but the Gibbons fight was a financial disaster with barely anybody showing up to see it.

Dempsey and his manager Kearns had worked out a guaranteed purse of $300 thousand, and the town of Shelby, Montana went bankrupt paying it.

There was nothing left for Gibbons.

Shortly after, Gibbons went on tour and made some money by retelling the tale of his battle with Dempsey.

A few months later, Dempsey drew over 80 thousand people in attendance for the Firpo fight with an estimated 20 thousand more left out on the street as the venue was jam-packed to the rafters.

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That ain't fighting for free. That's being robbed

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So haye is all about the money and always has been and that's the only reason he wants the fight... but you don't think he should fight for free?

Seems like you're either making an irrelevant, moot point if all you're doing is pointing out that nobody fights for free or you're criticising Haye for being all about money and then contradicting yourself.

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Your not to bright are you? How exactly am I contradicting myself? Did I say Haye should go along with the fight without being paid?

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Firstly, generally if you're going to tell some one that they're not too bright you should at least spell you're properly... it's hard to take anything you say about some one's intellect seriously when you write like a 12 year old.


I didn't say that you definitely were contradicting yourself, I said it depended on the point you were trying to make.

You were either:

a) making an irrelevant 'revelation' to us that boxers are also businessmen (no shit Sherlock).

b) Criticising Haye because 'it's always been about the money' and not getting paid a dime was relevant to him, then saying that he shouldn't fight for free once the (incorrect) example (where both fighters at least got paid SOMETHING) you tried to give of a fight (14 years ago) were money was irrelevant fell flat on their arse.

Maybe you can try and clarify the point you've been trying to make here but as far as I can see those are the two options. Like I said before (apparently you weren't bright enough to understand) you're either being irrelevant OR contradictory depending on what ever it is you are trying to say.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make regarding this fight and getting paid please? :)

OK let's say Haye postponed the fight because money.....what is 3 weeks going to do for Haye's $$$ trouble????

He's either truly hurt or he's not and either way we're not going to see the fight Wlad vs Haye on the 20th