There are actually a few semi decent HW fights

If you took Chris Arreola, David Haye, and Alexander Povetkin, any combination of those three fighting wouldn't be bad IMO. Haye versus both guys is pretty entertaining and I suspect somebody would get stopped in a Arreola-Povetkin fight.

I actually like Eddie Chambers but I know I'm practically alone in that. I would say maybe throw Boytsov in there but I didn't find him exactly to be a thrill a minute against Bidenko.

Just avoid the Ibragimovs, Chagaev, Ruiz, McCline, Sam Peter, any short guy that just tries to survive against Wlad, etc.

Not saying its a good division but there are watchable fights out there.

Any ideas? Not including an Ibragimov?

If David Haye or Cris Arreola is all about beating Wladimir then I would like to see him look spectacular against a fighter of similar stature (6'6-6'7 240+ pounds) or of similar style (a European Boxer/Puncher) so I am thinking Alexander Dimitrenko is probably the perfect guy for either fighter to prove himself against HOWEVER Dimitrenko is scheduled to fight Eddie Chambers next month which totally blows because had Sam Peter won that fight then we would see Sam Peter vs Dimitrenko and that might have been more exciting.

The fights I would like to see/that would be good for the younger fighters are:

Arreola: Andrew Golota, Oleg Maskaev, Sam Peter

Haye: Ray Austin, Hasim Rahman, John Ruiz

Povetkin: Lamon Brewster, Cedric Boswell, Travis Walker

The reasons for these fights are that Arreola needs to be able to #1 Outbox a good boxer and #2 Show better defense vs a big puncher. Haye needs to #1 Prove he can handle the size of heavyweights #2 Take a heavyweight punch and #3 Handle the strength of a heavyweight, which say what you will about John Ruiz's talent, he's a tough TOUGH fighter to look good against. Povetkin has proven he can box but he needs to prove #1 He can take a punch #2 He has good stamina and #3 He has good power. They might not be "exciting" but they are interesting to me because how those guys fair vs that competition would give me an idea on how they would do against Wladimir or Vitali

Chambers shouldnt be solely written off just yet.

I dont buy into the arreola thing at all and have seen him become exposed horribly too often by average guys to believe he would have a fighting chance against a povetkin/haye or even chagaev

the klitschkos will continue picking off the 2nd tier heavys back over in the motherland until david haye gets his act together and blows out Wlad. Definitely see the potential of a arreola-chambers or chagaev-povetkin sometime down the road

Lyle the only ones of those that are mildly interesting are the Povetkin ones. You've got Haye and Arreola going up against 6 members of the 10 most boring fighters in the world list.

Think Lyle missed the point ;D

Any of that YOUNG trio matching up would be far more interesting to me than them facing the Klits.

I can't see how any combo wouldn't make for an exciting fight.

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Lyle the only ones of those that are mildly interesting are the Povetkin ones. You've got Haye and Arreola going up against 6 members of the 10 most boring fighters in the world list.

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If you took Chris Arreola, David Haye, and Alexander Povetkin, any combination of those three fighting wouldn't be bad IMO. Haye versus both guys is pretty entertaining and I suspect somebody would get stopped in a Arreola-Povetkin fight.

I actually like Eddie Chambers but I know I'm practically alone in that. I would say maybe throw Boytsov in there but I didn't find him exactly to be a thrill a minute against Bidenko.

Just avoid the Ibragimovs, Chagaev, Ruiz, McCline, Sam Peter, any short guy that just tries to survive against Wlad, etc.

Not saying its a good division but there are watchable fights out there.

Any ideas? Not including an Ibragimov?

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The problem is i don't see these fights happening anytime soon, David Haye isn't gonna be risked against those 2 opponents. There too high risk/low reward.

I doubt there gonna risk Chris Arreola anytime soon aswell, there gonna carefully keep picking his opponents for atleast another year. And Alexander Povetkin what the hell has happened to him ?

He seems to have fallen off the radar i thought he won a title eliminator shot ? yet he's had to waste his time on two unknown opponents.

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If you took Chris Arreola, David Haye, and Alexander Povetkin, any combination of those three fighting wouldn't be bad IMO. Haye versus both guys is pretty entertaining and I suspect somebody would get stopped in a Arreola-Povetkin fight.

I actually like Eddie Chambers but I know I'm practically alone in that. I would say maybe throw Boytsov in there but I didn't find him exactly to be a thrill a minute against Bidenko.

Just avoid the Ibragimovs, Chagaev, Ruiz, McCline, Sam Peter, any short guy that just tries to survive against Wlad, etc.

Not saying its a good division but there are watchable fights out there.

Any ideas? Not including an Ibragimov?

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The problem is i don't see these fights happening anytime soon, David Haye isn't gonna be risked against those 2 opponents. There too high risk/low reward.

I doubt there gonna risk Chris Arreola anytime soon aswell, there gonna carefully keep picking his opponents for atleast another year. And Alexander Povetkin what the hell has happened to him ?

He seems to have fallen off the radar i thought he won a title eliminator shot ? yet he's had to waste his time on two unknown opponents.

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Haye's in charge of himself. Whilst they're unbeaten the other two wouldn't be risked against Haye unless he had a title.

If you're not going to eventually challenge the Klitschko's then I guess they might as well fight Valuev now....because if you can't beat those guys you aren't coming close to beating Wladimir or Vitali...but if you want them to fight each other, that's ok I guess...suite me fine, throw Odlainer Solis in the mix as well

i like Chambers, he's got a good work ethic, but does seem to lack dedication in preparing himself sometimes, but he's not as boring as Byrd, he's willing to take on the best, and i think that that deserves some credit

Good work ethic??? He disappears for rounds at a time!!! If he threw ANYTHING in the second half of the fight vs Povetkin he could have KO'd Alex!!!! If he had stamina IF....he'd be a very good heavyweight prospect, his defense is just that good and his counter punching is very sharp.

I do think Alexander Dimitrenko will beat him senseless though...he's another one you guys ought to talk about, that body shot he KO'd Krasniqi with was pretty damn good. Dimitrenko is flawed but he has some pretty good tools.

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Good work ethic??? He disappears for rounds at a time!!! If he threw ANYTHING in the second half of the fight vs Povetkin he could have KO'd Alex!!!! If he had stamina IF....he'd be a very good heavyweight prospect, his defense is just that good and his counter punching is very sharp.

I do think Alexander Dimitrenko will beat him senseless though...he's another one you guys ought to talk about, that body shot he KO'd Krasniqi with was pretty damn good. Dimitrenko is flawed but he has some pretty good tools.

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i'm not one to bash Wlad, but he also tends to disappear for rounds and get a bit sloppy and hug happy, Chambers is a very small heavyweight, and doesn't really have much pop in his punches, but makes up for it with technique and skill, his win over Peter IMO is bigger than anything Povetkin has done, including his win over Byrd

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If David Haye or Cris Arreola is all about beating Wladimir then I would like to see him look spectacular against a fighter of similar stature (6'6-6'7 240+ pounds) or of similar style (a European Boxer/Puncher) so I am thinking Alexander Dimitrenko is probably the perfect guy for either fighter to prove himself against HOWEVER Dimitrenko is scheduled to fight Eddie Chambers next month which totally blows because had Sam Peter won that fight then we would see Sam Peter vs Dimitrenko and that might have been more exciting.

The fights I would like to see/that would be good for the younger fighters are:

Arreola: Andrew Golota, Oleg Maskaev, Sam Peter

Haye: Ray Austin, Hasim Rahman, John Ruiz

Povetkin: Lamon Brewster, Cedric Boswell, Travis Walker

The reasons for these fights are that Arreola needs to be able to #1 Outbox a good boxer and #2 Show better defense vs a big puncher. Haye needs to #1 Prove he can handle the size of heavyweights #2 Take a heavyweight punch and #3 Handle the strength of a heavyweight, which say what you will about John Ruiz's talent, he's a tough TOUGH fighter to look good against. Povetkin has proven he can box but he needs to prove #1 He can take a punch #2 He has good stamina and #3 He has good power. They might not be "exciting" but they are interesting to me because how those guys fair vs that competition would give me an idea on how they would do against Wladimir or Vitali

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Funny how you say Haye should prove himself against 3 American HW''s that are garbage anyway. Haye has already spanked a yank in Monte Barrett. For this warmup I would fight Povetkin, Dimitrenko etc.

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If David Haye or Cris Arreola is all about beating Wladimir then I would like to see him look spectacular against a fighter of similar stature (6'6-6'7 240+ pounds) or of similar style (a European Boxer/Puncher) so I am thinking Alexander Dimitrenko is probably the perfect guy for either fighter to prove himself against HOWEVER Dimitrenko is scheduled to fight Eddie Chambers next month which totally blows because had Sam Peter won that fight then we would see Sam Peter vs Dimitrenko and that might have been more exciting.

The fights I would like to see/that would be good for the younger fighters are:

Arreola: Andrew Golota, Oleg Maskaev, Sam Peter

Haye: Ray Austin, Hasim Rahman, John Ruiz

Povetkin: Lamon Brewster, Cedric Boswell, Travis Walker

The reasons for these fights are that Arreola needs to be able to #1 Outbox a good boxer and #2 Show better defense vs a big puncher. Haye needs to #1 Prove he can handle the size of heavyweights #2 Take a heavyweight punch and #3 Handle the strength of a heavyweight, which say what you will about John Ruiz's talent, he's a tough TOUGH fighter to look good against. Povetkin has proven he can box but he needs to prove #1 He can take a punch #2 He has good stamina and #3 He has good power. They might not be "exciting" but they are interesting to me because how those guys fair vs that competition would give me an idea on how they would do against Wladimir or Vitali

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Funny how you say Haye should prove himself against 3 American HW''s that are garbage anyway. Haye has already spanked a yank in Monte Barrett. For this warmup I would fight Povetkin, Dimitrenko etc.

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John Ruiz would be a step from Barrett to be honest

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If David Haye or Cris Arreola is all about beating Wladimir then I would like to see him look spectacular against a fighter of similar stature (6'6-6'7 240+ pounds) or of similar style (a European Boxer/Puncher) so I am thinking Alexander Dimitrenko is probably the perfect guy for either fighter to prove himself against HOWEVER Dimitrenko is scheduled to fight Eddie Chambers next month which totally blows because had Sam Peter won that fight then we would see Sam Peter vs Dimitrenko and that might have been more exciting.

The fights I would like to see/that would be good for the younger fighters are:

Arreola: Andrew Golota, Oleg Maskaev, Sam Peter

Haye: Ray Austin, Hasim Rahman, John Ruiz

Povetkin: Lamon Brewster, Cedric Boswell, Travis Walker

The reasons for these fights are that Arreola needs to be able to #1 Outbox a good boxer and #2 Show better defense vs a big puncher. Haye needs to #1 Prove he can handle the size of heavyweights #2 Take a heavyweight punch and #3 Handle the strength of a heavyweight, which say what you will about John Ruiz's talent, he's a tough TOUGH fighter to look good against. Povetkin has proven he can box but he needs to prove #1 He can take a punch #2 He has good stamina and #3 He has good power. They might not be "exciting" but they are interesting to me because how those guys fair vs that competition would give me an idea on how they would do against Wladimir or Vitali

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Funny how you say Haye should prove himself against 3 American HW''s that are garbage anyway. Haye has already spanked a yank in Monte Barrett. For this warmup I would fight Povetkin, Dimitrenko etc.

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John Ruiz would be a step from Barrett to be honest

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Maybe. But he's American and there heavyweights are heartless. Get Haye with a European.

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Funny how you say Haye should prove himself against 3 American HW''s that are garbage anyway. Haye has already spanked a yank in Monte Barrett. For this warmup I would fight Povetkin, Dimitrenko etc.

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John Ruiz would be a step from Barrett to be honest

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Maybe. But he's American and there heavyweights are heartless. Get Haye with a European.

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Evander Holyfield's an American Heavyweight, he's hardly heartless, it appears that Haye's the heartless one, the biggest fight of his life and he hurt his back jerking it, then has the audacity to say it happened shadow boxing

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Funny how you say Haye should prove himself against 3 American HW''s that are garbage anyway. Haye has already spanked a yank in Monte Barrett. For this warmup I would fight Povetkin, Dimitrenko etc.

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Hating on American fighters doesn't make Haye any better.

Say what you will about any American fighter but I think there are more than a few who could give Haye a run for his money and they would be guys that everyone would call bums...I think Tony Thompson would have a good shot at beating Haye because he's big, he has good defense, he has a solid chin, he is active in the ring, and he has a good jab, and also I am not sure if David can pace himself to go 10 rounds, he has only gone 7 rounds or more 3 times and ALL of those are at cruiserweight.

Listen for you and all of the "David Haye is the best ever" maniacs...there is a reason that cruiserweights are cruiserweights and not heavyweights or light heavyweights....either they are too big for 175, too small for heavyweight, or they want an easy route to the top of a division. The majority of cruiserweights fight at that weight class because they know they can't hang with the heavyweights....not even the below average heavyweights.

I think David Haye will lose at least once before he gets a fight with either Klitschko....and it won't be vs one of the good fighters at heavyweight either.

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I think David Haye will lose at least once before he gets a fight with either Klitschko....and it won't be vs one of the good fighters at heavyweight either.

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honestly he should take on Ruiz, and that's about a 50/50 fight :-X, never thought i'd be saying someone should be fighting John Ruiz, and i'd actually willingly would watch the fight lol

With Ruiz you're going to have to be strong to handle all the grappling the guy does in the ring, his chin is decent, only KO'd once by David Tua so a KO of Ruiz WOULD mean something. I think Haye would have trouble with him especially if they used a smaller ring where he wouldn't have far to run because Haye seems to me to be a pot shotting heavyweight, a guy who likes to throw a punch and then get the hell out of dodge.

I think Tony Thompson would be very dangerous for him too, he's huge 6'6 250, he's got good defense, a great chin, and a very good jab...he'd let Haye keep distance but he'd score with that jab while Haye was out there. TT is a guy I never thought much of until I saw him fight Wlad, he may not have a big heart as in that fight it seemed his corner was urging him to keep going, but he did very well vs Wladimir and Wlad had to chop him down over a long period of time....if he fought Haye and was in decent shape, he'd give Haye hell.

I'd also put in anyone who has a solid chin that can hang with a banger for 8 or so rounds would have a chance vs Haye ESPECIALLY if they chase him around the ring and tire out his legs.

No disrespect to Haye, but it's not going to be smooth sailing for him, he has (with his antics) put a target on his back that EVERYONE is going to be shooting at....here's hoping Haye is good enough to back up his talk.

I don't actually disagree, Haye's vulnerable, he could beat just about anybody but could lose to them too. But I still think he may be the biggest threat to Wlad, definitely more so than some short dude trying to outbox (survive) him.

Wladimir's biggest threat could be Chagaev or Dimitrenko. Dimitrenko is trained by Fritz Sdunek and he knows Wlad's game inside and out and Dimitrenko is a big fella too 6'6-6'7....fast hands, decent power, throws to the body well, but his defense isn't all that great.

Chagaev is small, but that might help him if he's able to get inside....remember he's beaten Valuev who was WAAAAAAAY bigger albeit slower, less powerful, and all in all less skilled than Wladimir.

At LEAST I would like to see how Haye would do against a good boxer with Wladimir's stature...what is going to happen if Haye is stuck on the outside OR getting countered like crazy for only trying to land 1 wild punch at a time.

All I know is that Manny Steward didn't seem bothered by David Haye at all....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awtPhSu5UnI

If he tries to get inside, I don't know if he'll fight him that way though. He may choose the Sultan route, fight him kind of like he fought the caveman. Anyway he's looked sloppy lately. Haye has good size, very fast hands and good power. Chagaev might go the distance while Haye probably wouldn't in a loss but he has a much better chance of winning than Chagaev IMO.

I can't say I know enough about Dimitrenko to comment. The little I've seen I was far from blown away although that wasn't anything that recent.

Don't even mention Tony "Toy Tiger" Thompson. Thompson is the worst out them all. Thompson is a heartless coward who blatantly blew his big chance by plodding round the ring all night before falling arse over tit in round 11.

And the fact you guys are relying on Evander Holyfield to put US heavyweight boxing on the map who is only fighting to pay off debts anyways at this stage of his career is beyond laughable. Hasim Rahman is a biitch. Austin is that good he got beat Klitchsko with one hand :vd:. Fat ass Arreola spends his training camp burger tasting at the local McDonalds. And Eddie Chambers is only fast to beat.

Step aside the USA. It's Hayemaker time!

lefty....seriously I DO question David Haye's ability to beat Evander Holyfield.

Haye has been past the 7th round 4 times...none of those times vs a heavyweight. None with extra weight on him, none while taking heavier punches, none while getting leaned on by a guy a good 20 pounds bigger than him, and of course I am going to question him, because why the hell should I have faith in a guy who hasn't even had a meaningful heavyweight fight yet???

I might as well have faith in Butterbean winning a title

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Don't even mention Tony "Toy Tiger" Thompson. Thompson is the worst out them all. Thompson is a heartless coward who blatantly blew his big chance by plodding round the ring all night before falling arse over tit in round 11.

And the fact you guys are relying on Evander Holyfield to put US heavyweight boxing on the map who is only fighting to pay off debts anyways at this stage of his career is beyond laughable. Hasim Rahman is a biitch. Austin is that good he got beat Klitchsko with one hand :vd:. Fat ass Arreola spends his training camp burger tasting at the local McDonalds. And Eddie Chambers is only fast to beat.

Step aside the USA. It's Hayemaker time! as soon as mommy puts some ice on his self inflicted bruises, and the Klitschko's retire! THEN WATCH OUT WORLD CAUSE IT'S HAYEMAKER TIME!!!

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yea sounds about right, but even with the Klitschko's retired i still don't think Haye would even get past Ruiz