Floyd Sr. talking about Ricky Hatton and more...

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PC: Have you talked to Ricky Hatton?

Floyd Sr: No! Uh, uh! We haven't had no conversation. They tried to make me look like the bad guy because I left the ring early. I'm not going to stand over nobody and look at somebody sleep. I'm not no paramedic man. It was nothing I could do about it. What would I get out of standing there and looking at him in that condition? I don't know what happened, but I'm just now getting my money. I should have been got it about 10 days after the fight. It took much longer for me to get it, but I did get it. Ricky Hatton ain't doing no good man.

PC: I know you think he should retire.

Floyd Sr: Yeah he should. He fought the top 2 guys and he got knocked out both times. There is nothing left for him to do. He won the championship twice, so ain't nothing left for him to do but retire. He got enough money to live the rest of his life.

PC: Are you excited to see Lil Floyd back in the ring and fighting again?

Floyd Sr: Yeah. I'm going to be helping Lil Floyd out here and there. Me and Lil Floyd alright now. I'm going to go back into town and help out a little.

PC: What kind of fight do you think Marquez will pose against Lil Floyd?

Floyd Sr: I think he's going to pose a target. I think he's going to get hit with everything. I've been seeing Lil Floyd down there already and he's looking real good.

PC: So he hasn't looked like he lost much in his layoff?

Floyd Sr: Well, you know, everybody lose something in a layoff; I don't care who you are, but he hasn't lost nothing like that. He's still sharp, still clever and he's beating everybody down. He's beating there brains out down there. Floyd is looking good.

PC: A lot of people think Manny Pacquiao is unbeatable right now. Would you agree with that?

Floyd Sr: He ain't no unbeatable fighter man, believe me. Lil Floyd going to stop him. Watch what I tell you.

PC: You said that with Hatton too.

Floyd Sr: We ain't dealing with no Ricky Hatton now. This the real deal. This is a different monster here. Ricky had the knowledge, but he wasn't the athlete to pull out the strategy. This is an entirely different monster.

Probably a fair amount of truth in that.

Ricks biggest mistake was taking him on imo. He was mugged off. The guy was simply unprofessional, anybody that saw 24/7 would have seen it for themselves.

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Originally Posted by steelie

Probably a fair amount of truth in that.

Ricks biggest mistake was taking him on imo. He was mugged off. The guy was simply unprofessional, anybody that saw 24/7 would have seen it for themselves.

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100% TRUE

Only ever in it for the money

Well that's what you get for hiring a trainer that said you're "worse than Gatti"

...and the whole merry-go-round that comes with a Hatton fight.

Any trainer would have made an impact with Ricky post Billy Graham. Simply because Ricky knew within himself that he was ready for some new challenges. To freshen things up. He had the right mindset - he was willing to learn.

I accept that Ricky is his own worst enemy, that he sees 'the red mist' far too often and he's partial to a Lamb Biriyani...but no way can Floyd walk away from this thinking he's the teflon kid, nah, not havin' it.

Yeah but in the end it wasn't Floyd fault Hatton lost the fight. Floyd Sr said it best, Ricky had the knowledge. But he pissed it away by slugging with Pacquiao. Ricky has no one to blame but himself for that.

I accept that. But for me, Ricky reverted to type much earlier than in previous fights (it always happens, lets face it)...and that was as a result of the fact he went into the ring feeling under prepared due to the poor camp.

......annnnnd I'm not saying Ricky would of won the fight if the prep was different, before anyone jumps on it, simply that Floyd has to accept he was complicit in the manner of the loss. Which he won't

For me, the blame is squarely at Hatton's feet, no one else's. Not Floyd Sr, not Lee Beard, not Billy Graham. Hatton showed no respect to Pacquaio's punching power & thought he could walk through it. He didn't listen to what he was told post-fight & in the corner after the 1st round, and the brand new Ricky we'd been promised & seen a bit of against Malignaggi was obviously still in the dressing room. The attempt to blame Floyd Sr is typical of both the Hatton Camp & those at SkySports who like nothing better than acting as a loudspeaker for Team Hatton to go on about how 'it wasn't Ricky's fault, it was illness/Joe Cortez/Billy Graham/Floyd Mayweather Sr'

Let me put it this way - if Ricky had of caught Manny cold and won...would Snr have taken any credit?

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Let me put it this way - if Ricky had of caught Manny cold and won...would Snr have taken any credit?

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Not really the issue. If Ricky had respected Manny a bit more & fought sensibly how Floyd Sr had told him to & THEN got KO'd, then it would be easy to put the blame on him. However, he fought like a pub drunk & got beaten down like one, so the blame is all on Ricky

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Let me put it this way - if Ricky had of caught Manny cold and won...would Snr have taken any credit?

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Not really the issue. If Ricky had respected Manny a bit more & fought sensibly how Floyd Sr had told him to & THEN got KO'd, then it would be easy to put the blame on him. However, he fought like a pub drunk & got beaten down like one, so the blame is all on Ricky

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100% ;)

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

For me, the blame is squarely at Hatton's feet, no one else's. Not Floyd Sr, not Lee Beard, not Billy Graham. Hatton showed no respect to Pacquaio's punching power & thought he could walk through it. He didn't listen to what he was told post-fight & in the corner after the 1st round, and the brand new Ricky we'd been promised & seen a bit of against Malignaggi was obviously still in the dressing room. The attempt to blame Floyd Sr is typical of both the Hatton Camp & those at SkySports who like nothing better than acting as a loudspeaker for Team Hatton to go on about how 'it wasn't Ricky's fault, it was illness/Joe Cortez/Billy Graham/Floyd Mayweather Sr'

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elements of that are spot on and hattons naivety that night was there for all to see.

It wasnt a good match and was destined to fail right from the start. You cant teach an old dog new tricks and hatton is never going to be the kind of slick mover someone like floyd snr is used to training.

Biggest hatton mistake was not keeping graham on under some sort of capacity

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Let me put it this way - if Ricky had of caught Manny cold and won...would Snr have taken any credit?

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Not really the issue. If Ricky had respected Manny a bit more & fought sensibly how Floyd Sr had told him to & THEN got KO'd, then it would be easy to put the blame on him. However, he fought like a pub drunk & got beaten down like one, so the blame is all on Ricky

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It's exactly the issue. It's all well and good saying 'this is what you need to do' but it's all moot unless the weeks proceeding it have the required substance. Is it not the trainers job to ensure a fighter is properly prepared?

Would a smooth training camp have yielded a different result...I doubt it but that's not where I'm coming from. My point is that Floyd is trying to disassociate himself from his responsibility and it's shocking that people are taking him at face value.

Moreover, you and I know Floyd would be taking credit if Ricky had caught Manny. So, why is he not standing tall now?

We can't blame Floyd Sr. of Ricky's brutal KO loss but Sr. behaviour/actions during fight build up, training camp and during fight night were not praiseworthy either... Coming in late in training camp then on fight night, coming late again and then left early when Ricky still on the canvass... Where's your respect and professionalism Mr. Sr.??
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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

We can't blame Floyd Sr. of Ricky's brutal KO loss but Sr. behaviour/actions during fight build up, training camp and during fight night were not praiseworthy either... Coming in late in training camp then on fight night, coming late again and then left early when Ricky still on the canvass... Where's your respect and professionalism Mr. Sr.??
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exactly

Exactly. Where is his class?

I'll take the loss, I'll accept that Ricky could of had Angelo Dundee, Cus D'Amato and Brendan Ingle in his corner and the outcome probably wouldn't of been any different...but I won't accept that Snr walks away from this with his hands clean.

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

We can't blame Floyd Sr. of Ricky's brutal KO loss but Sr. behaviour/actions during fight build up, training camp and during fight night were not praiseworthy either... Coming in late in training camp then on fight night, coming late again and then left early when Ricky still on the canvass... Where's your respect and professionalism Mr. Sr.??
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Yep, totally agree with that. Mayweather acted way out of line in how he approached camp. Meanwhile, Hatton went out and fought like a plonker. It was a very unhealthy approach and the price was paid.

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Originally Posted by steelie

Exactly. Where is his class?

I'll take the loss, I'll accept that Ricky could of had Angelo Dundee, Cus D'Amato and Brendan Ingle in his corner and the outcome probably wouldn't of been any different...but I won't accept that Snr walks away from this with his hands clean.

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Precisely...

Looked like Team Hatton had a bad camp and Sr. should be made accountable for that... As the head trainer, it's his total responsibility to properly prepare Ricky for the fight not only physically but also mentally...

"Same move everytime... Right hook, roll under"...
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Originally Posted by steelie

Let me put it this way - if Ricky had of caught Manny cold and won...would Snr have taken any credit?

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Yes he would - for laying out the plan to beat him but he isn't in the ring with Hatton, it's up to Hatton to do as he's been told/trained to do.

If Hatton wasn't happy with him in camp or as head trainer then he should have sacked him. He wouldn't be the first or the last trainer to be ditched.

As for the Gatti comment.....I think Gatti has/had a better chin than Hatton :-X

Again, fair point...but for Floyd to absolve responsibility, particularly when it's alleged he's central to the disruption, is unacceptable.

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Again, fair point...but for Floyd to absolve responsibility, particularly when it's alleged he's central to the disruption, is unacceptable.

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If he doesn't think he's done any wrong he's hardly going to say that he is.

So he's in denial then?

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So he's in denial then?

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not necessarily.

If he 100% is sitting there thinking Ricky is a tool because he didn't do what I said then he won't be in denial. If he's thinking there's more he could of done but doesn't want any flack his way then maybe he is.

He does't seem lacking in the confidence stakes.

Some people just don't believe they are wrong about anything ever. I've met a few. They're annoying.;D

Anyone that talks themselves up to that degree is clearly insecure.

He loathes the fact that Roger trains Jnr. He's always trying to get in on the act. It's embarrasing.

Bottom line Rocky wasn't good enough. He was given a shot at beatin Pacman because there were doubts about how Pac's power would carry, NOT becuase people believed he was anywhere near Pac p4p. Anyway, Pac's power carried and the rest is history. However Floyd must take some flak as he called the fight so wrong pre fight and thus his expertise must be called into question.

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Again, fair point...but for Floyd to absolve responsibility, particularly when it's alleged he's central to the disruption, is unacceptable.

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If he doesn't think he's done any wrong he's hardly going to say that he is.

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Here's what I see that is in the public's eye.

Floyd claims that he is a greatest trainer and can give you the skills and mind set to be a great "skilled" fighter. "If I was training Oscar, he would have beat Pacquiao" That is what Ricky though he was buying. Hatton never had a complete trainer in Floyd Sr. Floyd Sr. is apathetic toward Hatton. Isn't part of a trainer's job to have concern over his pupil? His only interest was a paycheck. The result was a very poor performance by both the Fighter and Trainer.

Had Ricky won, like in the Malignaggi fight, Floyd Sr. would have been there to bask in the win. Ricky lost, Floyd was gone. Nothing to bask in? Any concerned human being would have made sure Ricky was ok. The question, did he even ask if Ricky was ok? Floyd Sr. is so screwed up he doesn't even think he did anything wrong.

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Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

We can't blame Floyd Sr. of Ricky's brutal KO loss but Sr. behaviour/actions during fight build up, training camp and during fight night were not praiseworthy either... Coming in late in training camp then on fight night, coming late again and then left early when Ricky still on the canvass... Where's your respect and professionalism Mr. Sr.??
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Ricky's been in the game long enough to know what to do before a fight. To say Floyd's actions had anything to do with Hatton getting knocked the fukk out even in the slightest is stupid. Why are they even brought up?

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We can't blame Floyd Sr. of Ricky's brutal KO loss but Sr. behaviour/actions during fight build up, training camp and during fight night were not praiseworthy either... Coming in late in training camp then on fight night, coming late again and then left early when Ricky still on the canvass... Where's your respect and professionalism Mr. Sr.??
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Ricky's been in the game long enough to know what to do before a fight. To say Floyd's actions had anything to do with Hatton getting knocked the fukk out even in the slightest is stupid. Why are they even brought up?

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not the primary reason no

but small things can all add up and it was quite clear on the night ricky was not in the right frame of mind

Floyd Sr. after round 1: Keep your hands up and move your head like we worked on in training.

Round 2: Ricky keeps his head stationary and his hands down.

If Ricky followed the gameplan and won convincingly of course Floyd would take the credit why wouldn't he?

The fact of the matter is Floyd layed out a gameplan and Ricky DECIDED not to follow it, can't blame the trainer for that.

And of course he's in it for the money it's his job.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

Bottom line Rocky wasn't good enough. He was given a shot at beatin Pacman because there were doubts about how Pac's power would carry, NOT becuase people believed he was anywhere near Pac p4p. Anyway, Pac's power carried and the rest is history. However Floyd must take some flak as he called the fight so wrong pre fight and thus his expertise must be called into question.

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Majority of boxing people expected Ricky to lose (not on this forum tho) but not that quick, that easy and that brutal... Floyd Sr. mentality towards the fight reinforced Ricky's mentality that he's bigger and stronger than PAC and will overpower PAC towards a victory... Sr. failed to really instill in Ricky's mind that PAC is a very dangerous midget...
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We can't blame Floyd Sr. of Ricky's brutal KO loss but Sr. behaviour/actions during fight build up, training camp and during fight night were not praiseworthy either... Coming in late in training camp then on fight night, coming late again and then left early when Ricky still on the canvass... Where's your respect and professionalism Mr. Sr.??
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Ricky's been in the game long enough to know what to do before a fight. To say Floyd's actions had anything to do with Hatton getting knocked the fukk out even in the slightest is stupid. Why are they even brought up?

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not the primary reason no

but small things can all add up and it was quite clear on the night ricky was not in the right frame of mind

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Ricky's been in the game long enough to know what to do before a fight. To say Floyd's actions had anything to do with Hatton getting knocked the fukk out even in the slightest is stupid. Why are they even brought up?

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not the primary reason no

but small things can all add up and it was quite clear on the night ricky was not in the right frame of mind

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Floyd turning up late was revealed on 24/7 ;)

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not the primary reason no

but small things can all add up and it was quite clear on the night ricky was not in the right frame of mind

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Floyd turning up late was revealed on 24/7 ;)

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Yet he still had time to go to a fast food place and order chicken wings and curly fries ;D

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not the primary reason no

but small things can all add up and it was quite clear on the night ricky was not in the right frame of mind

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Floyd turning up late was revealed on 24/7 ;)

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24/7 showed Hatton getting his hands wrapped and Floyd not being there?

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Ricky's been in the game long enough to know what to do before a fight. To say Floyd's actions had anything to do with Hatton getting knocked the fukk out even in the slightest is stupid. Why are they even brought up?

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not the primary reason no

but small things can all add up and it was quite clear on the night ricky was not in the right frame of mind

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Ricky never blamed Floyd Sr. for his loss to Pacquiao. Any dispute has been between camp personnel propagated by the media. It's also the public that places some of the blame on Floyd Sr. and not Ricky or his camp. Take notice here that it is not Ricky or his camp people bring the subject to light, but rather Floyd Sr.

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not the primary reason no

but small things can all add up and it was quite clear on the night ricky was not in the right frame of mind

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Ricky never blamed Floyd Sr. for his loss to Pacquiao. Any dispute has been between camp personnel propagated by the media. It's also the public that places some of the blame on Floyd Sr. and not Ricky or his camp. Take notice here that it is not Ricky or his camp people bring the subject to light, but rather Floyd Sr.

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All that comes out of Ricky's dad are fukking excuses.

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Ricky never blamed Floyd Sr. for his loss to Pacquiao. Any dispute has been between camp personnel propagated by the media. It's also the public that places some of the blame on Floyd Sr. and not Ricky or his camp. Take notice here that it is not Ricky or his camp people bring the subject to light, but rather Floyd Sr.

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All that comes out of Ricky's dad are fukking excuses.

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Do you really think people give credence of a desperate Parent?

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Ricky never blamed Floyd Sr. for his loss to Pacquiao. Any dispute has been between camp personnel propagated by the media. It's also the public that places some of the blame on Floyd Sr. and not Ricky or his camp. Take notice here that it is not Ricky or his camp people bring the subject to light, but rather Floyd Sr.

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All that comes out of Ricky's dad are fukking excuses.

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Do you really think people give credence of a desperate Parent?

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Ain't these people part of Hatton's camp?

Hatton Camp Begin To Question Floyd Mayweather Sr. - Boxing News

RT� Sport: Hatton trainer called into question

Boxing: Hatton camp question Floyd motives | Setanta

Don't look like it's just media making things up to me.

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Hatton camp backs referee choice

This my favorite one. Hatton and his camp backing up Cortez as the ref. What happened after the fight? A bunch of excuses about how Cortez cost him the fight.

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It should be no reason. Like I said Ricky's been a pro long enough. He doesn't need his trainer present while he's getting his hands wrapped. It's obvious this is some lame ass attempt at damage control. Trying to shift a little blame onto Floyd. Nobody would even of known there was "alleged" problems in camp or that Floyd was late if it wasn't for the Hatton camp. Why bring it up? Accept that the relationship didn't work and move on. In case Ricky has forgotten. He went to Floyd. Floyd didn't go to him. Ricky needs to take his loss like a man and not like a biitch. A crying biitch. Him and Cintron must be related

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Floyd turning up late was revealed on 24/7 ;)

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24/7 showed Hatton getting his hands wrapped and Floyd not being there?

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Think so.. can't really remember.

Pretty sure they said Floyd had been showing up late for training.

Floyd definitely arrived considerably later than the rest of the team.