WTF Happened with Haye?!

DAVID HAYE has lined up a September 12 showdown with Vitali Klitschko for the Ukrainian's WBC world heavyweight title.

It is a sensational turnaround for Haye after injury forced him to pull out of a world title fight against Vitali's little brother Wladimir in Germany.
Haye was forced to abandon his bid to take Wladimir's IBF and WBO crowns in Gelsenkirchen on June 20.
He suffered a back problem while training in Cyprus and needs specialist treatment and rest before he can resume full training.
But Haye has wasted no time lining up his next opponent.
Haye was originally supposed to fight Vitali, 37, first but when negotiations stalled, Wladimir, 33, stepped up.
If Haye gets past Vitali, he can line up a fight with Wladimir, who will now defend his belts against Ruslan Chagaev on June 20 instead.



Haye keeps it in the family | The Sun |Sport|Boxing

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DAVID HAYE has lined up a September 12 showdown with Vitali Klitschko for the Ukrainian's WBC world heavyweight title.

It is a sensational turnaround for Haye after injury forced him to pull out of a world title fight against Vitali's little brother Wladimir in Germany.
Haye was forced to abandon his bid to take Wladimir's IBF and WBO crowns in Gelsenkirchen on June 20.
He suffered a back problem while training in Cyprus and needs specialist treatment and rest before he can resume full training.
But Haye has wasted no time lining up his next opponent.
Haye was originally supposed to fight Vitali, 37, first but when negotiations stalled, Wladimir, 33, stepped up.
If Haye gets past Vitali, he can line up a fight with Wladimir, who will now defend his belts against Ruslan Chagaev on June 20 instead.



Haye keeps it in the family | The Sun |Sport|Boxing

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Tabloid mate

Based on Killer's post I assume the Sun is not a reliable source?

boxingscene says its only a possibility and there's been no contact between the two camps

Unless Vitali gets old overnight, which I suppose is possible at his age, I can't see Haye beating him.

Probably not true. UK tabloids should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Probably not true. UK tabloids should be taken with a grain of salt.

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But I would like it to be true. Not impressed with Haye's activity rate though. The guy barely fights once a year.

The Sun and Pat Sheehan very very rarely get it wrong ;)

Smash'll know;)

I knew days after the back injury thing that he was looking at Sept to fight again and he's doing a press announcement at 13.30 today in Town so i might pop over to it IF i can get my jobs done for the day!!
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I knew days after the back injury thing that he was looking at Sept to fight again and he's doing a press announcement at 13.30 today in Town so i might pop over to it IF i can get my jobs done for the day!!
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It's not really a back injury though, right? ;D

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I knew days after the back injury thing that he was looking at Sept to fight again and he's doing a press announcement at 13.30 today in Town so i might pop over to it IF i can get my jobs done for the day!!
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Smash, if you do get over, tell him I said he's a cunt and give him an uppercut from me ;D

I've not asked him to be honest and he's a pretty tight lipped fella either way it's suicide fighting for no purse so who could really blame him... this doesn't make it any more convincing ;D



"Price, the most talented heavyweight prospect ever to come from the banks of the Mersey, admitted only that he was "in the same gym" as Haye on Sunday night and "everything was fine".
Price adds: "I came home on the Monday and David was in great shape, everything was fine.
"I'll be honest, I came home on Monday, but the last time I saw David he was in great shape, he was fine, and he was raring to go.
"I don't think anyone was more shocked than me to here the fight was off."

Liverpool Echo.co.uk - Sport - Boxing - David Haye's injury baffles camp

David Haye is a fucking drama queen, just work your way up the ladder already and stop trying to jump to the front of the line....I'm sure there are PLENTY of heavyweights ready to smack Haye down for thinking he can just talk a whole bunch of shit, back out of a fight, and still expect to be first in line.

Hmmnnn.... I'm impressed with David Haye's smart maneuvering to easily schedule a fight with the Klitschos.... Hope he won't pull out on this one too...
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David Haye is a fucking drama queen, just work your way up the ladder already and stop trying to jump to the front of the line....I'm sure there are PLENTY of heavyweights ready to smack Haye down for thinking he can just talk a whole bunch of shit, back out of a fight, and still expect to be first in line.

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Being the undisputed lineal cruiser champ earned him his shot (and the fact he's exciting and can sell a fight). When fighters decide to move up, after conquering a divison, they don't drop from being world-class, right? In almost ALL cases the fighter moves straight into a title shot.

Haye's situation is no different.

So stop with the "only two heavyweight fights" bollocks. ;)

lol that`ll mean apart from the farce he put on against barrett at the o2 he wouldnt of boxed in about 20 months.

your a joke haye

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Being the undisputed lineal cruiser champ earned him his shot (and the fact he's exciting and can sell a fight). When fighters decide to move up, after conquering a divison, they don't drop from being world-class, right? In almost ALL cases the fighter moves straight into a title shot.

Haye's situation is no different.

So stop with the "only two heavyweight fights" bollocks. ;)

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Is it bollocks??? I mean by your standards I guess Tyson Fury should have had his shot years ago.

Sure Haye was a cruiserweight champ but did he do anything spectacular? Not in my eyes, he beat Jean Marc Mormeck and that's just about it...Enzo Maccarinelli ain't shit, Tomaz Bonin isn't anything, and his biggest win coming vs Monte Barrett is just plain WEAK.

I'm sorry, but David Haye isn't that special yet, he's never even had back-to-back heavyweight fights, that is just lame as hell

I think he stood a better chance with Vlad. Vlad still has the potential to be a headcase if he gets grazed hard enough. Even though I think Haye is very beatable, Vlads chin and mental instability after taking a hard shot would play toward hayes strengths.

Vits bigger and showed a willingness to trade if he has to. Hes far from Ali, but showed some decent lateral movement in his last outing. Maybe Haye will be able to cut Vitali early and have it work to his advantage.

Fenster how many people have moved up to get a shot at the main man in the heavyweight division that were moving up not to many at all. Like i said before how long did it take Holyfeild to get a shot at the heavyweight champion. Not only that he had a better resume coming into the heavyweight division and still had to fight a good amount of guys and wait a few years before his shot i mean the division week but still few guys that should be in the mix.

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Hmmnnn.... I'm impressed with David Haye's smart maneuvering to easily schedule a fight with the Klitschos.... Hope he won't pull out on this one too...
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Wouldn't surpise me if Vitali Klitschko had to pull out aswell, i mean how many fights has he pulled out of ? its got to be atleast half a dozen, he's so injury prone.

First I heard he pulled out of the fight with an "undisclosed hand injury." The latest I heard it was his back that was bothering him which is why he pulled out of the fight.

Anyone know what "officially" happened to him?

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he wasn't gonna get paid, the back injury is bull imo. I can't blame him, but at least be honest about it.

He's in London having his back fixed.

He'll be having an epidural injection in his lower back today. The earliest he'll be fit is July 25th, that's a dead period for boxing, so Haye will most likely fight in September, hopefully against Vitali.

I think hackney is nearer the mark though ;)

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Being the undisputed lineal cruiser champ earned him his shot (and the fact he's exciting and can sell a fight). When fighters decide to move up, after conquering a divison, they don't drop from being world-class, right? In almost ALL cases the fighter moves straight into a title shot.

Haye's situation is no different.

So stop with the "only two heavyweight fights" bollocks. ;)

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Is it bollocks??? I mean by your standards I guess Tyson Fury should have had his shot years ago.

Sure Haye was a cruiserweight champ but did he do anything spectacular? Not in my eyes, he beat Jean Marc Mormeck and that's just about it...Enzo Maccarinelli ain't shit, Tomaz Bonin isn't anything, and his biggest win coming vs Monte Barrett is just plain WEAK.

I'm sorry, but David Haye isn't that special yet, he's never even had back-to-back heavyweight fights, that is just lame as hell

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err.. no, it's the total opposite. Tyson Fury hasn't proven himself world-class.

The example i've given you shows - the credentials of WORLD-CLASS fighters carry when moving up a division. That is a fact. I can give you a million examples - Spinks-Holmes, Leonard-Hagler, Pac-Hatton, Marquez-Casamayor, Hopkins-Tarver etc etc etc.. none of the guys stepping up PROVED themselves in the higher division, right? It didn't stop them from getting a shot. It didn't stop them from winning. You get it?

This is David Hayes situation. Simple as.

You may well believe he's crap, but the fact is he conquered the cruiserweight division. His exploits at cruiser combined with his exciting style made him a BIG draw straight away at heavyweight, hence the Klits setting up a 60,000 seat stadium for him. ;)

Lyle maybe if Tyson Fury was undisputed, lineal Cruiser Weight Champion you'd have a better argument?

As I've said before... 100s of fighters call out 'the man' in the division when they haven't worked their way up to him yet... look at how many stalkers Floyd Mayweather has. It's pretty much the done thing in boxing.

The difference is most of these guys say 'what has he done' 'why should I fight him' 'he's not done enough yet'... WLAD took the fight... what do you want Haye to do? Say "sorry... I'd rather fight 10 other guys first".

Your problem seems to be the fact that Haye got the fight made... that's Wlad's fault.

And if the Heavyweight division wasn't so piss poor I'm sure Wlad would have found it a lot easier to say 'get in line, wait your turn'.
The rate at which the tickets were selling must show that he had some credentials in the eyes of the non-lyle boxing public? ???

OK in the past 50 years how many "World Class" Cruiserweights have really gone on to be spectacular at heavyweight?

I can tell you right now without even looking it up that more light heavyweights have done better in the heavyweight division than cruiserweights.

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OK in the past 50 years how many "World Class" Cruiserweights have really gone on to be spectacular at heavyweight?

I can tell you right now without even looking it up that more light heavyweights have done better in the heavyweight division than cruiserweights.

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What does that have to do with anything? How many had the desire or size to fight at heavyweight?

The division has only been around since the early 80s anyway. That's not even 30 years of history let alone 50.

OK so fine since cruiserweight started who has moved up and done things at heavyweight? And yes this is relevant because either you're saying "This happens all the time, cruiserweights routinely move up and become champions" OR you're saying "David Haye is skilled like no other cruiserweight bar Evander Holyfield"....and I think either way you look at it that's pretty damn stupid.

The TRUTH of the matter is that light heavyweights who move up to heavyweight have done better than cruiserweights....that's a FACT.

Do you think Tomaz Adamek could hang with any halfway decent heavyweight??? How about Steve Cunningham? Hell Vassily Jirov was one of the best cruiserweights around and he moved up to heavyweight, had a decent fight vs Joe Mesi (a very average fighter) and then ended up getting beat down by the likes of an old Michael Moorer and he ended up fighting to a draw with ORLIN NORRIS!!!!

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OK so fine since cruiserweight started who has moved up and done things at heavyweight? And yes this is relevant because either you're saying "This happens all the time, cruiserweights routinely move up and become champions" OR you're saying "David Haye is skilled like no other cruiserweight bar Evander Holyfield"....and I think either way you look at it that's pretty damn stupid.

The TRUTH of the matter is that light heavyweights who move up to heavyweight have done better than cruiserweights....that's a FACT.

Do you think Tomaz Adamek could hang with any halfway decent heavyweight??? How about Steve Cunningham? Hell Vassily Jirov was one of the best cruiserweights around and he moved up to heavyweight, had a decent fight vs Joe Mesi (a very average fighter) and then ended up getting beat down by the likes of an old Michael Moorer and he ended up fighting to a draw with ORLIN NORRIS!!!!

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I'm not saying either.

I'm saying Haye has proven himself a world-class fighter.

It's irrelevant whether or not he's a success at heavyweight. If he can't cope at heavyweight it will be because the weight difference was too much for him, not because he couldn't hack it ability wise. This is NO different to ANY other world-class fighter from ANY other division attempting a rise in weight. ;)

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First I heard he pulled out of the fight with an "undisclosed hand injury." The latest I heard it was his back that was bothering him which is why he pulled out of the fight.

Anyone know what "officially" happened to him?

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It was a heart problem.

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he wasn't gonna get paid, the back injury is bull imo. I can't blame him, but at least be honest about it.

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And that's the savior of the division

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Being the undisputed lineal cruiser champ earned him his shot (and the fact he's exciting and can sell a fight). When fighters decide to move up, after conquering a divison, they don't drop from being world-class, right? In almost ALL cases the fighter moves straight into a title shot.

Haye's situation is no different.

So stop with the "only two heavyweight fights" bollocks. ;)

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Is it bollocks??? I mean by your standards I guess Tyson Fury should have had his shot years ago.

Sure Haye was a cruiserweight champ but did he do anything spectacular? Not in my eyes, he beat Jean Marc Mormeck and that's just about it...Enzo Maccarinelli ain't shit, Tomaz Bonin isn't anything, and his biggest win coming vs Monte Barrett is just plain WEAK.

I'm sorry, but David Haye isn't that special yet, he's never even had back-to-back heavyweight fights, that is just lame as hell

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err.. no, it's the total opposite. Tyson Fury hasn't proven himself world-class.

The example i've given you shows - the credentials of WORLD-CLASS fighters carry when moving up a division. That is a fact. I can give you a million examples - Spinks-Holmes, Leonard-Hagler, Pac-Hatton, Marquez-Casamayor, Hopkins-Tarver etc etc etc.. none of the guys stepping up PROVED themselves in the higher division, right? It didn't stop them from getting a shot. It didn't stop them from winning. You get it?

This is David Hayes situation. Simple as.

You may well believe he's crap, but the fact is he conquered the cruiserweight division. His exploits at cruiser combined with his exciting style made him a BIG draw straight away at heavyweight, hence the Klits setting up a 60,000 seat stadium for him. ;)

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I was going to attempt to say basically the same thing.

I really dont care anymore hope Haye gets his ass kicked by Wlad and be done with it hes no Holyfeild just lucky its a week divsion i guess.

An for the people saying Haye is so popular or known in America is full of shit he is on th same status as Klitschko if not worse. The heavyweight most people know here that still Active is fucking Evander Holyfeild. Honestly if the division going to get back in popular state usa better step it up or the division is going to die out and that would be sad. Considering it was always the main division and how far it has fallen since then is just un heard of all i got to say guys.

I can't IMAGINE what the build up to Tyson-Bruno would have been like or Lewis-Bruno.....if it was ANYTHING like this then I'm glad I didn't hear any of it!

Let's get our facts straight, David Haye is a top cruiserweight, not many cruiserweights go on to accomplish much in the heavyweight division. I'm not slagging or slating or whatever the fuck you want to call it David Haye, I'm saying THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION has produced Evander Holyfield and then a whole bunch of average fighters (at heavyweight): Al Cole BUST, Vassily Jirov Great cruiserweight BUST at heavyweight, Juan Carlos Gomez BUST, Carlos De Leon BUST, Kelvin Davis BUST, Immamu Mayfield BUST, James Toney....eh he was ok, but you get the idea...the cruiserweight division is full of guys either too big for 175 or too small for heavyweight and if they are neither it means only 1 thing....they didn't think they had the talent to cut it at heavyweight.

David Haye might end up holding 'A' title one day, but let's be real, he's only had 2 heavyweights fights, neither meant much at all, and the fights that he has had that mean something all occured at cruiserweight and there's only about 2 of those as well. For a guy who is 28 and a silver medalist in something that isn't the Olympics, he really seems inexperienced.

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I can't IMAGINE what the build up to Tyson-Bruno would have been like or Lewis-Bruno.....if it was ANYTHING like this then I'm glad I didn't hear any of it!

Let's get our facts straight, David Haye is a top cruiserweight, not many cruiserweights go on to accomplish much in the heavyweight division. I'm not slagging or slating or whatever the fuck you want to call it David Haye, I'm saying THE CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION has produced Evander Holyfield and then a whole bunch of average fighters (at heavyweight): Al Cole BUST, Vassily Jirov Great cruiserweight BUST at heavyweight, Juan Carlos Gomez BUST, Carlos De Leon BUST, Kelvin Davis BUST, Immamu Mayfield BUST, James Toney....eh he was ok, but you get the idea...the cruiserweight division is full of guys either too big for 175 or too small for heavyweight and if they are neither it means only 1 thing....they didn't think they had the talent to cut it at heavyweight.

David Haye might end up holding 'A' title one day, but let's be real, he's only had 2 heavyweights fights, neither meant much at all, and the fights that he has had that mean something all occured at cruiserweight and there's only about 2 of those as well. For a guy who is 28 and a silver medalist in something that isn't the Olympics, he really seems inexperienced.

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I agree. One of the problems I have with Haye is his mouth. I got no problem with him running it. That's not it. It's what he says. "He's the savior" "He's going after everybody" "He's going to clean out the division" Ok. When is that suppose to happen? But the time he's ready to fight it'll be close to a year he's been on the sidelines. Surely the division needs more cleaning than just Monte Barrett

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OK in the past 50 years how many "World Class" Cruiserweights have really gone on to be spectacular at heavyweight?

I can tell you right now without even looking it up that more light heavyweights have done better in the heavyweight division than cruiserweights.

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So what?

David Haye isn't a light Heavy Weight or a Cruiserweight from the past 50 years... David Haye is David Haye.

How many Eastern Europian fighters were ruling the division 50 years ago Lyle?

Doesn't matter though does it, because both questions are irelevant to the fact that Haye secured the fight and that is that... we are not talking about how well he will do based on the law of averages... we are talking about the fact he didn't fight his way to the belt. if he'd had to fight his way to it I'm sure he would have set about that instead. But he didn't have to.

Can't see were the dicussion can go from there.

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Fenster how many people have moved up to get a shot at the main man in the heavyweight division that were moving up not to many at all. Like i said before how long did it take Holyfeild to get a shot at the heavyweight champion. Not only that he had a better resume coming into the heavyweight division and still had to fight a good amount of guys and wait a few years before his shot i mean the division week but still few guys that should be in the mix.

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Holyfield became world champ I think in his seventh fight as a heavyweight. If Haye fights Vitali in September it will be I think his fourth at heavyweight, in a far far weaker era.

Like Hoylfield he has come up as the unified cruiserweight champ, only the third in history.

Why do you bring up Hoylfield and not Michael Spinks? He went from lightheavyweight and immediately challenged Larry Holmes at heavyweight, not even a preperation fight, so from 175 to fighting a 221 lb Larry Holmes, one of the all time greats and he won!

Haye will be moving up from 205 lbs to (he's starting 30lbs higher than Spinks did) and was going to fight Wlad in his fourth fight as a heavy, a fighter who I believe nobody in this forum would rate as high as Larry Holmes, nor this era as being anything like as good as it was in the heavyweight division 25 years or so ago.


Haye is a unified champ, he actually has a body that looks befitting a world champ, and he has the knockouts and exciting style that a popular world champion boxer is always supposed to have.

Who else in the entire heavyweight division has the looks, the physique, the charisma, the marketability, the exciting knockout style and the brash swagger that a true champ is supposed to have more than David Haye?


THAT's why he desereved to be jumped to the front of the queue, because boxing is primariliy an entertainment business and as such needs to cater for the wants of the fans.

You people who bemoan Haye fighting for a world title clearly have no idea about running a succesful business, and taking boxing in the right direction.

The fans have all but deserted the heavyweight scene because they don't give two shits about watching some Eastern European slow boring plodders slowly jab their way to wins over faded, fat, heartless American has beens and never will be's any more.

Haye offers something exciting, he's the Terminator Salvation or the new Star Trek blockbuster movie that everybody wants to see, and no reputable cinema would refuse to screen those movies on account of them not having the artistic merit of a fine melodrama and instead choose to rescreen The Hours or Chigaco instead.

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Fenster how many people have moved up to get a shot at the main man in the heavyweight division that were moving up not to many at all. Like i said before how long did it take Holyfeild to get a shot at the heavyweight champion. Not only that he had a better resume coming into the heavyweight division and still had to fight a good amount of guys and wait a few years before his shot i mean the division week but still few guys that should be in the mix.

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Holyfield became world champ I think in his seventh fight as a heavyweight. If Haye fights Vitali in September it will be I think his fourth at heavyweight, in a far far weaker era.

Like Hoylfield he has come up as the unified cruiserweight champ, only the third in history.

Why do you bring up Hoylfield and not Michael Spinks? He went from lightheavyweight and immediately challenged Larry Holmes at heavyweight, not even a preperation fight, so from 175 to fighting a 221 lb Larry Holmes, one of the all time greats and he won!

Haye will be moving up from 205 lbs to (he's starting 30lbs higher than Spinks did) and was going to fight Wlad in his fourth fight as a heavy, a fighter who I believe nobody in this forum would rate as high as Larry Holmes, nor this era as being anything like as good as it was in the heavyweight division 25 years or so ago.


Haye is a unified champ, he actually has a body that looks befitting a world champ, and he has the knockouts and exciting style that a popular world champion boxer is always supposed to have.

Who else in the entire heavyweight division has the looks, the physique, the charisma, the marketability, the exciting knockout style and the brash swagger that a true champ is supposed to have more than David Haye?


THAT's why he desereved to be jumped to the front of the queue, because boxing is primariliy an entertainment business and as such needs to cater for the wants of the fans.

You people who bemoan Haye fighting for a world title clearly have no idea about running a succesful business, and taking boxing in the right direction.

The fans have all but deserted the heavyweight scene because they don't give two shits about watching some Eastern European slow boring plodders slowly jab their way to wins over faded, fat, heartless American has beens and never will be's any more.

Haye offers something exciting, he's the Terminator Salvation or the new Star Trek blockbuster movie that everybody wants to see, and no reputable cinema would refuse to screen those movies on account of them not having the artistic merit of a fine melodrama and instead choose to rescreen The Hours or Chigaco instead.

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So what?

David Haye isn't a light Heavy Weight or a Cruiserweight from the past 50 years... David Haye is David Haye.

How many Eastern Europian fighters were ruling the division 50 years ago Lyle?

Doesn't matter though does it, because both questions are irelevant to the fact that Haye secured the fight and that is that... we are not talking about how well he will do based on the law of averages... we are talking about the fact he didn't fight his way to the belt. if he'd had to fight his way to it I'm sure he would have set about that instead. But he didn't have to.

Can't see were the dicussion can go from there.

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Up until the 1990's the Eastern Europeans were in something called Communism and therefore only allowed to box amateur....so that's a moot point.

If you want to see Haye get his ass whupped then fine, I just find it amusing that the same people that said "Wlad isn't ready" are the exact same people that are saying "David Haye deserves a title shot"...such a double standard.

It doesn't matter how weak you percieve the division to be David Haye isn't ready AND if you were a true FAN you would be worried and rightfully so. With David Haye's style 1 big beat down at heavyweight could ruin him forever.....but I guess he's ready for it, I mean he already has achieved sooooo much fighting the likes of an Old Jean Marc Mormeck, Tomaz Bonin, and Monte Barrett.....oh wait, I left out Enzo Maccarinelli! Man Enzo has been on a hot streak lately huh? He certainly turned out to be an awesome force in the cruiserweight division :rolleyes: