He has been in some wars the last few years with Judah,Margarito and Clottey and a few more.How long before they catch up with him.He's still only 28 but he carnt keep been in these sort of fight without it taking its affect on him.
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He has been in some wars the last few years with Judah,Margarito and Clottey and a few more.How long before they catch up with him.He's still only 28 but he carnt keep been in these sort of fight without it taking its affect on him.
I think he's starting to go down hill. Mosley would beat him for sure in rematch imo.
Shane Mosley hasn't looked that good in recent fights either IMO, yes he did beat Antonio Margarito impressively. But how good is Antonio Margarito really ? without loaded gloves ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Because he didn't have the same thudding punches in the Shane Mosley fight, as soon as he didn't have loaded gloves.
He still KO'd a guy with an iron chin. Also Shane fought a fight that didn't allow Margarito to get off his uppercuts, so it's difficult to say whether he was suddenly weakerQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBShane Mosley hasn't looked that good in recent fights either IMO, yes he did beat Antonio Margarito impressively. But how good is Antonio Margarito really ? without loaded gloves ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Because he didn't have the same thudding punches in the Shane Mosley fight, as soon as he didn't have loaded gloves.
Mosley stopped Mayorga as well, he bet Collazo much worse than Berto or Hatton, he stopped MArgarito, and he almost beat Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBShane Mosley hasn't looked that good in recent fights either IMO, yes he did beat Antonio Margarito impressively. But how good is Antonio Margarito really ? without loaded gloves ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Because he didn't have the same thudding punches in the Shane Mosley fight, as soon as he didn't have loaded gloves.
He stopped Ricardo Mayorga but whats that saying really ? Ricardo Mayorga is one of the most one dimensional/sloppy fighters in current boxing, and his chin isn't even as solid as it used to be. And he isn't as good as he once was.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethMosley stopped Mayorga as well, he bet Collazo much worse than Berto or Hatton, he stopped MArgarito, and he almost beat Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBShane Mosley hasn't looked that good in recent fights either IMO, yes he did beat Antonio Margarito impressively. But how good is Antonio Margarito really ? without loaded gloves ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
Because he didn't have the same thudding punches in the Shane Mosley fight, as soon as he didn't have loaded gloves.
Plus Shane Mosley also struggled against Ricardo Mayorga, and ODLH beat a better version of Ricardo Mayorga in 6 rounds instead of 12 rounds. And without struggling at all either.
Luis Collazo broke his hand which changed the fight totally IMO, had it not been for that incident. I believe the fight would of been alot closer.
As i said about Antonio Margarito already he has no skills, and he relied on loaded gloves to wear opponents down. Because of his limited skills, how good is he really without loaded gloves ?
And after watching the fight a few more times, i thought Miguel Cotto beat Shane Mosley clearly. It was close points wise but Miguel Cotto won his rounds more clearly.
He controlled the fight with his solid left jab, and Shane Mosley only made a comeback late on because Miguel Cotto. Cruised in the later rounds because he knew he had the fight won.
I don't really see Shane Mosley doing much better, Shane Mosley isn't that good at adjusting IMO. And the left jab of Miguel Cotto will give him fits again like it did the 1st time.
Well at 28 Cotto already fought the very best welterweights out there outside of the GIGANTIC Paul Williams who like Margarito has no business squeezing their bodyframes in a weight class too small for them.
Cotto clearly beat Mosely, stopped by the CHEAT'O which IMO is NOW shady and won a close battle against a great WW himself in Clottey. Even PBF did not attempt getting anywhere near those guys.
COTTO YOU ARE A WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the wars he's been in have already caught up with Cotto. I think Arum will give him a big payday against Pacman next now that the Mayweather fight is delayed and that Manny wins. After that Cotto has another Michael Jennings-type fight and then gets another big payday with a Margarito rematch, or at least the biggest payday available at that point in his career. After that he should retire.
All I can say is, Clottey did soften Cotto some more... There's even speculations that PBF postponed his JMM fight and now will go after the soften Cotto after Arum lambasted PBF by saying PBF doesn't fight bigger guys...;D
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Margarito even with loaded handwraps wouldn't have beat Mosley, Shane's chin and body are too good for that, if it took Margarito 11 rounds to stop Cotto, but Mosley has shown he is one of hte top fighters in the sport, and Cotto is clearly one as well.
I think Cotto likely beats Mosley against, because Mosley's punches are easy to see coming, he has always been a great athlete and a basic fighter, sure he has had great combinations and speed, but those were all athletic ability. Even now he relies primarily on his physical assets.
I think people are just too tough on fighters for winning close fights against tough guys. People gave Berto hell for how he fought Collazo, but he fought a stupid style where he was wide open against a guy who is usually dangerous for anyone, and Collazo was in the best shape of his life(it was the first fight he could fully train for without a side job). Now we see Cotto beat a B+,A- guy in a very tough fight, but IMO Clottey isn't the type of guy he generally has success against. He is better against boxers and guys who don't have a ton of durability.
I know that this fight was seen by many as a redemption for Cotto. That the coming through such a tough trial maybe chased some of the demons away that were supposedly haunting Cotto after Margarito. Many have also praised Arthur Mercante Jr. for his reffing. Plus fight fans got to watch a very entertaining war.
But is it just me, or does anyone else feel it was completely unnecessary for Cotto to have taken that kind of punishment? Sometimes it seems like corners don't understand the rules, and think that their fighter will lose no matter how a cut is caused, if they stop because of it. I really think the corner should have told the Doctor that Cotto couldn't see to protect himself. Also, I've seen plenty of refs stop the fight to at least call the doctor over to look at the cut and talk to the fighter, when the cut is that bad and the figher is getting blindsided like that.
It just seemed so obvious that Cotto was not really able to defend himself from those right hands. All props to Cotto for toughing it out and finding a way to win, but he almost looked like Cintron at moments. Like he was on the verge of folding up shop. Cotto's corner could have told the Doctor that they couldn't stop the bleeding and that Cotto couldn't see the right hands coming. Then Cotto would have won a decision, without having to take so much punishment.
Then again, they (the corner, the ref, the doctor) are the pros and they were all right there, so maybe they know best... I just have to wonder how much that took out of Cotto, that could have been avoided?
I don't think Cotto is shot...yet, but It looks like he is going down hill necause of the wars. I hope he isn't past his prime yet at only 28, but he doesn't have that invincibility that he once had, 2, 3 years ago.
Tell you the truth ice think Margarito if he comes back can beat Cotto if he takes a beating for the first part of it and Cotto gasses out in late half. Mosley flat out beat Margarito down i dont care what gloves he used he was getting a ass whooping from Mosley he is just bad fighter for him. After seeing this fight with Clotty if he woudl of put more pressure on Cotto he was going down hell i dont even thing Margarito in this fight because form what i saw last night if eh did would of been over faster.
When will the war catch up with Cotto?
When Cotto fights PAC on November 14, 2009...
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PacMan has been into many wars himself....how come nobody's asking when it will catch up with him....Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Did you see Pac's last fight? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JahzielPacMan has been into many wars himself....how come nobody's asking when it will catch up with him....Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Because he isn't showing any signs of it catching up with him.
Yep, Pac hasn't been tagged hard in 3 fights since Marquez and even that was more a tactical game of chess than any war.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzDid you see Pac's last fight? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JahzielPacMan has been into many wars himself....how come nobody's asking when it will catch up with him....Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Because he isn't showing any signs of it catching up with him.
There is no real sign of wear and tear on Pac at the moment. Personally, I think people are being too harsh on Cotto's performance. I recall Pac having a hard time because of a head butt against Morales a long time ago. Cuts can be detrimental to a fighters performance and this was just another instance. Cotto being done at 28 seems far fetched to me.
In the opinion of many people, PAC is even improving in each and every fight... That's some SCARY news to future PAC opponents...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzDid you see Pac's last fight? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JahzielPacMan has been into many wars himself....how come nobody's asking when it will catch up with him....Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Because he isn't showing any signs of it catching up with him.
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cause pac in the past fights showed improvements, he is doing great now but pacs time will come just like any other fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JahzielPacMan has been into many wars himself....how come nobody's asking when it will catch up with him....Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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Originally Posted by milesYep, Pac hasn't been tagged hard in 3 fights since Marquez and even that was more a tactical game of chess than any war.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzDid you see Pac's last fight? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jahziel
Because he isn't showing any signs of it catching up with him.
There is no real sign of wear and tear on Pac at the moment. Personally, I think people are being too harsh on Cotto's performance. I recall Pac having a hard time because of a head butt against Morales a long time ago. Cuts can be detrimental to a fighters performance and this was just another instance. Cotto being done at 28 seems far fetched to me.
Don't be so set on the age. Age can be deceiving. David Reid and Fernando Vargas were shot at younger ages than that. Its like comparing two 2005 Cadillacs, one with 50,000 miles and one with 150,000 miles. Same year different mileage. No longer the same car. And Cotto has a lot of mileage. He fought a string of punchers coming up and now he has been in rough wars with the elite fighters. Its evident he is not the same fighter and if I was on his team I would have him take the rest of the year off. Mosley, Pac, or PBF would do bad things to him at this point. PWill would finish his career. Cotto needs a break.
I think this is a fair question.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Cotto had a tough fight with Corley, an all-out WAR with Ricardo Torres, then the tough fights with Judah, Mosley, Margarito, and now Clottey. He also had some very physical fights on his way up against guys like Ndou and Abdullaev.
You can only go to the well so many times.
Wow. I didnt know Cotto is only 28.
Pacquaio would find it hard to look good against Clottey too, you guys are making too much of one fight.
Now whether all the wars will catch up to him is another question. He didn't look past it to me.
Admit it...he is just not the same Cotto
Very true. He's not the same Cotto, but IMO he has 3 good fights left that he can still win.
I think he beats Pacquiao at 147 with his jab, size and power. Pac is on fire and I give him a good chance of beating Cotto, but I don't feel he can execute the pressure style fight needed to beat Cotto. I believe this match up of styles will end in pac getting KO'd or stopped.
Basing on Cotto's last few fights, he tends to slow down in most rounds and give his opponent a break. He back pedals for some reason. He also did that against the soft puncher Malinaggi. Did you guys notice that too? I dont think that will be a good idea against Pac.
He clearly takes rounds off. He needs to seriously consider getting elite trainers for his fight against Pac - if it happens.
I say he trys to get Ronnie Shields and Mackie Shilstone to work with him. This will help take him up a level.
The war has caught up with Cotto but he can adopt veteran style techniques that will allow him to win a few more big money fights. He definitely has the will.
Going for an elite trainer for his fight against PAC might help but don't rely too much about it... Remember Hatton having the "best trainer" in the world for his PAC fight in the person of Floyd Sr., did it help? It even contributed to Hatton's downfall on the canvass...Quote:
Originally Posted by belakbox
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I don't think the fight with Clottey was a good one to gauge a question of Cotto's ring mileage on. He definitely took on some mileage during the fight, but I believe the effects of the nasty cut preclude an accurate assessment of his current skills.