You HAVE to respect Clottey!!

It was a great fight, very close bout....could have goine either way but in truth Clottey impressed me just as much as Cotto if not more.

He fought in a pro Cotto crowd but he did it with true style never gettin rattled once by the biased crowd.

Also the whole face first ting in the corner when he hurt his knee, took balls to get up from that, for a second I thought he hurt himself bad he hit like a ton of bricks dropping.....

Clottey was ver accurate with his punches, though not flashy with big combos like Cotto was he did his job well.

Another thing that impressed me was how strong he was, man that guy is put together, so solid and he absorbs the shots so well, the body shots of Cotto that usually brutalize opponents phased him none....

I was a fan before but I am a bigger fan of Clottey now.

I am also a Cotto fan and credeit needs to be given to him as he dealt with the cut greatly......

There were no losers last night except on paper IMO

The attempted cheating to get Cotto deducted points totally changed my opinion of him. Remember Hopkins pulling that shit in the Calzaghe fight? It's fucking LAME!

I don't know why no one else seems fussed about it on here.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

It was a great fight, very close bout....could have goine either way but in truth Clottey impressed me just as much as Cotto if not more.

He fought in a pro Cotto crowd but he did it with true style never gettin rattled once by the biased crowd.

Also the whole face first ting in the corner when he hurt his knee, took balls to get up from that, for a second I thought he hurt himself bad he hit like a ton of bricks dropping.....

Clottey was ver accurate with his punches, though not flashy with big combos like Cotto was he did his job well.

Another thing that impressed me was how strong he was, man that guy is put together, so solid and he absorbs the shots so well, the body shots of Cotto that usually brutalize opponents phased him none....

I was a fan before but I am a bigger fan of Clottey now.

I am also a Cotto fan and credeit needs to be given to him as he dealt with the cut greatly......

There were no losers last night except on paper IMO

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Im sorry but he totally made the most of the little knee injury, i thought it was a bit of a joke to be honest. He also tried to get Miguel Cotto points deducted like Kel said which didn't impress me in the slightest.

I haven't really gained any new found respect or ETC for Joshua Clottey. I think he's a solid fighter but the flaws which i have been bringing up for ages, were here again in this fight.

He showed mental problems again like he has done in the past, and he never turned up the heat when he should have. Like a real champion does and those two big flaws, are what has been stopping him from being elite all these years.

I do respect Joshua Clottey, but this fight told me nothing new about Joshua Clottey to be honest.

Very good fighter

Very hard to like though IMO

the 12 round low blow was too obvious for clottey to ignore and he had to acknowledge it. The ref decided not to deduct a point which is his call, but any fighter would had to take a sec off from that low blow. Clottey didn't get any real time off cause the ref figured the fight was almost over and it seem like he said you got this so suck it up. The last ref that said that got suspended right? well it was in the JMM/JACA fight, i think it was michael cole that said jmm was winning. It also seemed like the ref told Clottey he was winning so lets get the fight ended. Clottey seem to agree and continued on for a minute left.

The fight was a close one but from the look of things, Cotto looked beaten up worst.

Tough as a tank and good speed. A threat for everyone even the Big CHEAT'O did not hurt or drop this guy. The constant whining and OVER ACTING was not classy though:-\

I respect Clottey a lot more as a boxer after last night but my previous opinion of him as a front runner and someone who would rather lose due to an excuse than give his all has only been reinforced.

Prior to this fight I had always regarded him as a Sakio Bika type, a tough very strong guy who would give anybody a workout but was unlikely to trouble the world's best. My opinion on that has changed, his boxing ability and technical skills are far greater than Sakio Bika's level, he is a genuine world class performer imo.

However he does not have a champion's heart. We saw against Margarito how when the action started going against him he chose to shut down and blame his hands rather than fight and risk gettting stopped and again yesterday his rather pathetic and imo cowardly antics to get points deducted, first from the push and then in the last round from the punch to the back of the head meant he will never be one of my favourites.


Cotto has a champions heart, absolutely no question, badly cut due to a headbutt, he made no fuss at all, never once complained to the referee or his corner and never looked for a way out or help from the ref.

When it came down to who wanted it more, and who was prepared to dig the deepest Clottey preferred to look for point deductions and excusese rather than grab the fight with his own hands.

Had Cotto been in Clottey's position he would have won absolutely no question. He would have made no fuss about a fake knee injury, he wouldn't have sought to claim points via fouls and no way would he have let Clottey off the hook over those final rounds.

With the controversey surrounding the hand wraps in the Margarito fight Cotto in my mind has yet to be truly beaten. He has shown the heart of a champion and to me absolutely deserved the victory last night.

Clottey for all his talent and toughness simply doesn't get going when the going the gets tough, and because of that he will never be great.

Bilbo has been spot on

If I could give him rep I would but I would have to rep two or three other people and it just seems to be asking a bit too much.

Or you can criticize him:

That head butt in the third look somewhat intentional, and he has a history of head butting.

He behaved like a weasel at times during the fight. Like in the later rounds were he was flopping, after an accidental punch to the back of the head, in a cheap attempt to get Cotto penalized. He then did the same thing a couple of minutes later with a low blow. This was made worse by the fact that Cotto, behaved like a true fighter, never once complaining about the horrible cut he had to fight with.

And finally, and most obviously, he stopped punching in the last couple of rounds.

I like Clottey, I am a fan of Clottey, and last nights fight was one in which I hated seeing either having to take a loss, but actually, I lost some respect for Clottey last night with all his drama queen bullshit.

I still respect Clottey. His reputation got hurt a bit.. not from the lost, but from the poor actings.

I have respect for Clottey but not that high... He's a good fighter and a warrior... Also for Cotto, a good boxer and a warrior... But both has tendencies to get dirty when the going gets rough... Clottey with his headbutting and acting and Cotto with his famous low blows and now added with wrestling... Fighters should not engage in dirty tactics and should do the mauling with their fists in legal way...

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The attempted cheating to get Cotto deducted points totally changed my opinion of him. Remember Hopkins pulling that shit in the Calzaghe fight? It's fucking LAME!

I don't know why no one else seems fussed about it on here.

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Not even comparable. How you going to compare somebody getting hit in the balls (which Hopkins clearly did) to Clottey, I guess hurting his knee?

Well tell you the truth i think Cotto done man he kinda got his ass kick i have no problem with scoring it was close but Cotto took alot of hits. This fight kinda makes me wonder if Margarito ever really cheated because Clotty is no big hitter and he was rocking Cotto bad that fight. Kinda of a fan of Cotto but dont think he while be the king of the division i thought he lost both Clotty and Mosley fights. He seems to really lose energy in later rounds kinda got lucky no one took advantage of it last night i think if he faces the likes of Pac, Mosley and even Margarito again he loses. I just think both the Clotty and Margarito fights have finished him as a fighter tell you the truth.

Truthfully, although Clottey can be dramatic, it didnt really bother me too much when he was fouled upon, though unintentionally from Cotto. For five minutes, he can lay flat on the canvas if he wants. He did always collected himself though, immediately. After the knockdown, he was visibly very frusterated with himself, but collected himself fast. Same thing with the knee, it looked like it would set him back, and it did for a round, but he got back to his gameplan. It is also very hard to look couageous next to Cotto. Plus, as Daxx said, it couldnt have been a more pro-Cotto crowd. He was his own guy last night, and you could see from his ring entrance that he was not intimidated by the circumstances or by Cotto. Excellent fighter imo, he fought a great fight. All credit to both men. Both did themselves proud.

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Well tell you the truth i think Cotto done man he kinda got his ass kick i have no problem with scoring it was close but Cotto took alot of hits. This fight kinda makes me wonder if Margarito ever really cheated because Clotty is no big hitter and he was rocking Cotto bad that fight. Kinda of a fan of Cotto but dont think he while be the king of the division i thought he lost both Clotty and Mosley. He seems to really lose energy in later rounds kinda got lucky no one took advantage of it last night i think if he faces the likes of Pac, Mosley and even Margarito again he loses.

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Cotto was never really seriously hurt last night.

Going to have to disagree with that he look like he was going to be koed in few of the rounds and he was in pretty bad shape in the later rounds. But if that the way you feel o well i just dont see him as unfying the divsion really. Tell you the truth i think even Berto might have a shoot now. I just think Cotto stamina while be his down fall against Pac Mosley or Margarito. Maybe i am wrong but he looked pretty gassed and hurt to me at the end of the fight of maybe i watched a different fight.

What rounds do you think he got hurt? Legs never buckled, never wobbled. Announcers never noticed it and I haven't seen anybody else mention a time he got buzzed. He was getting tagged with some shots and was moving a lot, may have been tired but he never really got rocked. Clottey's just not much of a puncher, not featherfisted but not a concussive puncher.

Cotto beats Mosley again, like the first time, close but clear victory. But loses to Pacquaio.

Seen few times were he got rocked watch it again and if he faces Mosley again i going by a 10 round knock out tell you truth. Think Cotto has gettin pretty lucky with the close fights and i even go as far to say that if he fought Margarito again he lose his stamina needs work.

I've seen it twice and he was never seriously hurt. No point in arguing this though anymore we obviously have gigantic differences on what constitutes being rocked.

Margarito might be done. We'll see.

I dont really respect him less then I already did prior to lastnight.But would have respected him much more had he closed the gap and forced his advantage with Cotto busted up and backing into some bad spots in the late rounds.He's just not a finisher and eased up instead of forcing a win that looked to be right in front of him.Only problem I have.

I really dont think he was looking to use the knee as an excuse.It was a legitimate fall,and the ref had no idea if it was severe or not.Clottey was told he could have 5 minutes and after some moans & groans he carried on,just as Cotto fought through the blood.Shite happens in a fight,you have to adapt and go on.

Alright fair enough i see things differently then you but thats the whole point of the board we while see how he does against Margarito again.

Cotto took some good ones but never wobbled. I thought for 2 seconds Clottey got knocked out cold when he got slammed on the canvas.

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I've seen it twice and he was never seriously hurt. No point in arguing this though anymore we obviously have gigantic differences on what constitutes being rocked.

Margarito might be done. We'll see.

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I agree completely, I've watched it 3 times, and I'm about to watch it again with Danny, and I didn't see him "rocked badly" once. :headscratch:

Oh well, to each his own I guess.

Cotto or Clottey never sereiously appeared hurt in the fight. I believe the reason Josh didnt go after Cotto was the body shots. It was a good close fight and I had cotto winning 114-113. People shouldnt take away from Cotto cause her toook all Clottey had and more.

I dont think either guy seemed badly hurt at any time in the fight. Aside from Cottos cut and Clotteys knee of course.

Neither fighter was really hurt in the fight. Maybe people saw a few flush shots and assumed the fighter was hurt. There is a strong difference between punches that hurt and actually being hurt. Hard flush shots hurt but it doesn't mean your well being as a fighter is hurt. Even the knockdown was just an off balance knockdown. But I was annoyed with Clottey looking for petty ways to get deductions. The slip, the weak lowblow, the rabbit punch, all this happens in the course of fighting and he got dramatic with every single incident. Meanwhilefor 9 rounds a huge gash is over Cotto's left eye and bleeding in it and Cotto never even got discouraged.