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Why don't Golden Boy Promotions promote an in-house megafight, JMM vs. Mosley?
- PBF is injured, Mosley is available to step-in...
- Mosley said he will go down to 144 to fight PAC, he can do it for JMM too...
- #2 P4P JMM vs. #4 Mosley, what a fight!!
- Both JMM and Mosley promoted by GBP, so easy to make this fight...
- Could be a 50/50 purse split, everybody is happy...
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Mosley is far too big for Marquez. Let's remember Marquez is really a lightweight and has spent most his time in lower weight classes.
Shane Mosely has gone to Junior-Middleweight at one stage.
I'ld think this is a mismatch.
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Originally Posted by leftylee
GBP is pushing for a PAC-Mosley fight up to the point of ridiculously saying that PAC is avoiding Mosley...
If PAC-Mosley is OK with GBP, JMM-Mosley would be too...;)
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Mosley is way too big for Marquez.
Mosley just knocked out a huge granite chinned welterweight in Margarito.
Putting him against Marquez would be a joke.
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Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Mosley is way too big for JMM but not way too big for Pacquiao?? :confused:
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Pacquiao has fought at 140 and 142 and looked devastating with 2 wins over ODLH and Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Mosley is way too big for JMM but not way too big for Pacquiao?? :confused:
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Marquez hasn't fought higher than 135.
You have a valid point Xadu. But the real reason why JMM is moving up to 144 and fight Floyd is money, lots and lots of money. GBP is having trouble promoting the fight, and Mosley-Marquez would be 3x worse.
Top Rank has an in-house megafight about to be signed, PAC vs. Cotto...
GBP should match Top Rank and push for JMM vs. Mosley in-house megafight...
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Pacquiao has his own promotional company as well doesn't he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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Originally Posted by Quinito
But Mosley won't be asking $15 million to fight JMM... I'm guessing $4 million is enough for Mosley or even $3 million since JMM only gets $3 million...
GBP gonna save $12 million in having Mosley fight JMM instead of PBF...
Or both JMM and Mosley can have $2M purse each...
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Originally Posted by leftyleePacquiao has his own promotional company as well doesn't he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
Yes MP Promotions but PAC's main promoter is Top Rank...
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Xadu. I dont think #2 p4p versus #4 p4p will fight for peanuts.
You have a point... So JMM stays at $3M (same purse he gets from PBF) and Mosley will have $4M or $5M...Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
GBP, please make this fight... P4P #2 vs. P4P #4 fight will have fans salivating for it...
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Are you kidding me?? PBF - boxing's cash cow and JMM - Mexico's numero uno boxer, is not selling well?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quinito
I think JMM-Mosley will do well since it's from GBP, the best promoter in the business...
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Lmfao!
Mosley would crush him. Even more of a loony matchup than Floyd Marquez. That's no diss on Marquez, just that Mosley can easily fight at 154 and is bigger than Floyd and has more power.
Why would Marquez want to face Mosley?
Mosley walks to the ring at 160 pounds, whereas Floyd only weighs in the high 140s on fight night. And Marquez would make less money against Mosley.
It's a big stretch for JMM, Even Pacquiao too.
Putting JMM against Hatton, now there ya promo!
Xadu,
Why are you so determined that the PBF/JMM fight not to go ahead?
You have created threads asking people to boycott the fight so that a PBF/Pac fight is more easily made, you have repeated neverending 'sources' about how badly the fight is doing in ticket & PPV sales (even though PPVs don't become available any more than 2 weeks before a fight) & now you're saying that JMM should just fight Mosley instead.
Otherwise you increasingly underplay JMM's chances & have called it as it was PBF vs Kid Thunder.
Is it because you want a PBF/Pac fight? (Which will still happen as long as both keep winning)
Or is it because you're worried that PBF might beat JMM more convincingly or that JMM beats PBF, and either way the winner may have better negotiating power against Pac & also may take the P4P #1 crown?
Seriously XB, stop tryna push agendas
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
They should have occasional tournaments like other sports do.
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Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
GBP is pushing for a PAC-Mosley fight up to the point of ridiculously saying that PAC is avoiding Mosley...
If PAC-Mosley is OK with GBP, JMM-Mosley would be too...;)
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don't u have a pac forum to bum pac in?
I think Xadu has a legit question.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
GBP is pushing for a PAC-Mosley fight up to the point of ridiculously saying that PAC is avoiding Mosley...
If PAC-Mosley is OK with GBP, JMM-Mosley would be too...;)
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don't u have a pac forum to bum pac in?
If PAC and JMM are equals (or JMM is greater than Pac as he, his fans, and ODLH claims he is), then JMM-Mosley fight certainly could be pushed as hard as PAC-Mosley.
GBP won't even have a hard time pushing for a JMM-Mosley fight... IMO it's very easy for GBP to make this fight... Why push hard for PAC-Mosley when PAC is almost signed with Cotto and there's JMM-Mosley megafight which can be made in a flick of a finger?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by keypoolI think Xadu has a legit question.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
don't u have a pac forum to bum pac in?
If PAC and JMM are equals (or JMM is greater than Pac as he, his fans, and ODLH claims he is), then JMM-Mosley fight certainly could be pushed as hard as PAC-Mosley.
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Originally Posted by PhilQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
GBP is pushing for a PAC-Mosley fight up to the point of ridiculously saying that PAC is avoiding Mosley...
If PAC-Mosley is OK with GBP, JMM-Mosley would be too...;)
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don't u have a pac forum to bum pac in?
Tho this is a JMM vs. Mosley thread, I have to mention PAC because Mosley is pursuing a PAC fight, JMM pursuing a PAC 3rd fight, everybody loves to fight PAC... I'm also the threadstarter...
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Seriously, you got your own board created just so you could push your agendas there, but it's not long before you are back 'trying' to push your Pac agenda. Why not just create this in the Pacquiao forum? Mosley is quite a bit bigger than PBF & uses his strength more when fighting so it would be way more of a physical mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer;););)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
You quote all these facts & figures, yet the general split reported in the press is 75-25. Although obviously Ring magazine & ESPN must be the ones having it wrong not you :rolleyes:
The fact that you constantly push an agenda, particularly with Mayweather & Marquez, annoy me way more than all the Pac threads about Pac turning up to some awards ceremony. Not that you have any care what effect you have on others on the forum
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinSeriously, you got your own board created just so you could push your agendas there, but it's not long before you are back 'trying' to push your Pac agenda. Why not just create this in the Pacquiao forum? Mosley is quite a bit bigger than PBF & uses his strength more when fighting so it would be way more of a physical mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer;););)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
This is not a PAC agenda... Im asking why GBP can't make JMM-Mosley fight... Mosley stated that he can go down to 143/144 so this can be an equalizer for JMM for Mosley's physical advantages...
You quote all these facts & figures, yet the general split reported in the press is 75-25. Although obviously Ring magazine & ESPN must be the ones having it wrong not you :rolleyes:
I've read PBF will get $15M and also read from ESPN that JMM will get $3M plus (they're not specific how much is the plus)... Even if JMM gets $4M, it won't be a 75-25 split... It is something like 79-21 split...
The fact that you constantly push an agenda, particularly with Mayweather & Marquez, annoy me way more than all the Pac threads about Pac turning up to some awards ceremony. Not that you have any care what effect you have on others on the forum
I care... I've been a member of many boxing forums but I selected Saddo as my homebase as of recent since I found that most members here do respect each other... Unfortunately there's always some bad ones that you will be constantly attacked whatever you post... Actually we can objectively discuss boxing here... We just have to accept that we agree to disagree on some issues without going personal... Just pure boxing discussions and some fun...;D
link --> DE LA HOYA PLEADS CASE FOR MOSLEY VS. PACQUIAO
It appears that WBA welterweight champion Shane Mosley has decided to forego the press releases for now in favor of allowing his partners to do their job to help promote his career. Earlier this week, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer and partner Bernard Hopkins spoke out about Manny Pacquiao's selection of Miguel Cotto over Shane Mosley as his next opponent. Now, the man for which the promotional company was named after, Oscar De La Hoya, is speaking out on Mosley's behalf to help plead his case.
"Shane is the top guy at welterweight and I don't see why or how Cotto can come down in weight. He struggles to make 147. You have Shane wanting to come down a few pounds to accommodate Pacquiao and Cotto not really wanting to do that. Everybody is avoiding Shane. I don't care who you are -- Manny, Miguel Cotto, Floyd Mayweather -- if you want to be the best welterweight, you have to fight Mosley. The biggest fights out there for Pacquiao are Mosley and Floyd Mayweather. There's no doubt," De La Hoya would tell Dan Rafael of ESPN.com in a recent interview.
While it's true that many consider Mosley to be the top dog at welterweight after his total domination of Antonio Margarito, it's interesting that De La Hoya would choose to make those comments when it comes to a potential clash with Manny Pacquiao. Ironically, when it came time to announce Floyd Mayweather's return to the ring, not one word from De La Hoya, Schaefer or Hopkins was ever uttered about Shane Mosley being the best welterweight. In fact, instead of demanding that Mosley get a shot at Mayweather, who also campaigns at welterweight, Golden Boy Promotions was much more eager to stage a showdown with lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez.
"Floyd Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Marquez has the potential to be one of boxing's all-time great fights. Not only are they two boxers destined for the Hall of Fame and two of the greatest technicians of this era, but they also both have a warrior's spirit that comes out when they get tested. I know that they'll push each other to the limit when they step into the ring July 18th," De La Hoya would proclaim back on May 2nd as he proudly announced the bout just hours before Manny Pacquiao was getting set to face Ricky Hatton. Richard Schaefer would add, "Mayweather is clearly making a statement by accepting this challenge to fight the dangerous Marquez in his first fight back. Having seen Floyd perform live in his two previous fights, I know a big challenge brings out the best him."
Where was the sense of urgency back then to help Mosley land the big fight? Perhaps if Oscar would have voiced his opinion then, there would have been no need for Mosley to use a PR firm to try and help him get fights. After all, isn't that what a promoter is for in the first place? Instead of pitting their lightweight champion against Mayweather, maybe they would have been better off giving their welterweight champion the fight he's been asking for since 2007. Being a partner, one would think that Mosley would have first dibs on any big fight opportunities. If he's wondering who to blame for his inability to land a mega-fight, he need look no further than his own promotional company.
Well put ..... BINGO ....... I was wondering the same thing. If the fight had actually been staged and JMM beat PBF he should by all rights deserved the bigger share in the 3rd match. Beating the unbeaten PBF would be a larger feat that Pac beating weight drained ODLH and a soon tobe drained Cotto. We all know how Pac huggers claim that the 2nd fights delay was JMM's fault. Common sense will tell you that he had no choice but to take on John for less money. JMM was the champion at that time so why should he have had to take the lesser sum? Yet now Pac fans say he has the rights to dictate the terms now ? Seems like a contradiction ....Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
You already know the answers so why do you bring it up? Pac already fought at 147 and beat the man at 140. JMM has not even fought at 140. It's really not that hardQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
GBP is pushing for a PAC-Mosley fight up to the point of ridiculously saying that PAC is avoiding Mosley...
If PAC-Mosley is OK with GBP, JMM-Mosley would be too...;)
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Well put ..... BINGO ....... I was wondering the same thing. If the fight had actually been staged and JMM beat PBF he should by all rights deserved the bigger share in the 3rd match. Beating the unbeaten PBF would be a larger feat that Pac beating weight drained ODLH and a soon tobe drained Cotto. We all know how Pac huggers claim that the 2nd fights delay was JMM's fault. Common sense will tell you that he had no choice but to take on John for less money. JMM was the champion at that time so why should he have had to take the lesser sum? Yet now Pac fans say he has the rights to dictate the terms now ? Seems like a contradiction ....Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Also Mosley is the tougher foe, so Pac fans feel JMM should fight the tougher trail in fighters . (As in Pac's beating of the lesser Diaz, an over-aged / weight drained ODLH and limited skilled Hatton. How can you say Pac is fighting the best fighters out there recently?
Styles make fights and JMM's style is not as well suited to fight Mosley or Cotto as Pac's style. However I do think it was a good style vs PBF.
I'm a new guy here but ain't no Pac nuthugger, but it's all about drawing in the casual fans, sports fans, and boxing fans. Pac has always been a bigger draw than JMM so he ain't going to be taking a smaller sum. Just like Oscar was the bigger draw against Manny but they weren't fighting for any titles and he still took in a much larger pay day than Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingWell put ..... BINGO ....... I was wondering the same thing. If the fight had actually been staged and JMM beat PBF he should by all rights deserved the bigger share in the 3rd match. Beating the unbeaten PBF would be a larger feat that Pac beating weight drained ODLH and a soon tobe drained Cotto. We all know how Pac huggers claim that the 2nd fights delay was JMM's fault. Common sense will tell you that he had no choice but to take on John for less money. JMM was the champion at that time so why should he have had to take the lesser sum? Yet now Pac fans say he has the rights to dictate the terms now ? Seems like a contradiction ....Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Does this mean PAC is bigger and better fighter than JMM? I've heard fans here claiming JMM is better than PAC...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYou already know the answers so why do you bring it up? Pac already fought at 147 and beat the man at 140. JMM has not even fought at 140. It's really not that hardQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
GBP is pushing for a PAC-Mosley fight up to the point of ridiculously saying that PAC is avoiding Mosley...
If PAC-Mosley is OK with GBP, JMM-Mosley would be too...;)
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No it means he is untested at a higher weight, you already know that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerDoes this mean PAC is bigger and better fighter than JMM? I've heard fans here claiming JMM is better than PAC...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYou already know the answers so why do you bring it up? Pac already fought at 147 and beat the man at 140. JMM has not even fought at 140. It's really not that hardQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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JMM is untested at 143 and he agreed to fight PBF at 143... Mosley willing to go down to 143... I mean JMM and Mosley can also fight at 143, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by KelNo it means he is untested at a higher weight, you already know that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerDoes this mean PAC is bigger and better fighter than JMM? I've heard fans here claiming JMM is better than PAC...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
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link --> Mosley-Marquez showdown
A Mosley-Marquez showdown might be the most logical thing for them to do now. After all, Marquez was already willing to fight a welterweight and Mosley was already willing to fight at a catchweight. The winner could possibly face the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto, giving Golden Boy Promotions an opportunity to put on another mega-fight with Top Rank in hopes of sharing in the profits. While it might sound like a mismatch, it certainly wouldn't be as boring as watching to counterpunchers since they both bring contrasting styles to the ring. Instead of waiting around for Mayweather, Oscar and his promotional company should make another big fight now before they're left out in the cold, chasing after Top Rank in hopes of riding their coat tails to make big money. It may sound crazy, but they should take the risk…after all, some risks are worth taking. Golden Boy should learn from Top Rank…worry about your own fighters instead of chasing after Money Mayweather.
Pac went up to fight DLH now he won't he fight Mosely? :chick07mj8:Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Mosley is way too big for JMM but not way too big for Pacquiao?? :confused:
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Originally Posted by XaduBoxerDoes this mean PAC is bigger and better fighter than JMM? I've heard fans here claiming JMM is better than PAC...Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYou already know the answers so why do you bring it up? Pac already fought at 147 and beat the man at 140. JMM has not even fought at 140. It's really not that hardQuote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer
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So many posts I could have called you out on. But you know you're trolling and talking crap.
Not really a fan of 'boxing' then are you. Dog fighting might be more up your street.Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxer;););)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyPac went up to fight DLH now he won't he fight Mosely? :chick07mj8:Quote:
Originally Posted by XaduBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Mosley is way too big for JMM but not way too big for Pacquiao?? :confused:
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It's not yet determined if PAC won't really fight Mosley... Mosley is desperately chasing a PAC fight but I think it's Cotto now the frontrunner to win the PAC sweepstakes with the winner of PBF-JMM in second... Mosley could be in 3rd priority...
But if Mosley is desperate in having a fight, GBP can trashed PBF (he's injured anyway) and easily make the in-house JMM-Mosley megafight...
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