Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.
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Lost so much respect for this rising prospect after the way he gave up.
and so starts the ridiculous bashing, he's a young kid, and it was a grueling fight, give him a break
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
that fight i think could be canidate for fight of the year but how after one stubborn round could he be such a baby after having to overcome so much in his life
Victor is in the wrong sport if he does not want to get hurt. Maidana vs Torres would be awesome.
I'm not in the ring taking the punishment so I'm not going to criticise the fight.
The fighters in the ring are taking the risk, if they can't take it anymore then who can blame them for throwing in the towel? A lot of great fighters in boxing history have thrown in the towel when they couldn't take it anymore.
He's seems like a smart guy and well spoken. Hopefully he can get a job as a real estate agent or something.
good show but vic boxing might not be your calling heart and willing to die in the ring corny as that sounds is probably the most important part of being a boxer a a. Frietas at most but bradley
For example would whoop your ass and he's champ so what's the point. Sorry if this is written bad my daughter is typing from my I junk I had to hit the road and get back to the wife
It's perfectly fine not to go out on your shield and want to preserve your health for the future. But so much is expected out of him SOOOOOOOOO MUCHHHHHHHH!!!:(
Much before this fight I was eyeing him as a future welterweight sensation too because of his skill, power and size. It all came crumbling down from a guy 5'7" with HEART!!!
why hate on the guy, I hate this shit fans deeming a guy a quiter or some such nonsense. It's boxing, they get hurt, he got taged hard numerous times, and like he said he'd like to be able to speak in old age. I respect guys whom aren't to proud to throw in the towel, nothing wrong with that. I like boxing but hate to see anyone ever hurt in the sport, and guys usually get hurt cause they're to proud to quit or cause the ref or corner aren't throwing in the towel. Good fight, nothing wrong with ortiz's decision those were some bombs he took
I think you are being harsh. This was always going to be a tough fight but maybe he was not quite ready for it. Reminds me of VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
looking at your avatar, Cotto technically quit against Margarito, and Margarito himself turned out to be a cheater, he seemed like a smart decent guy, maybe he should get a job in construction seeing how he's so well acquainted with plaster, Ortiz is a young kid, and he showed balls stepping in there against a guy like Maidana, with wins like Arnaoutis and Maussa under his belt, and under 3 rnds at that says he still has a bright futureQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
I can respect if he doesn't want to end up like Ali, I just thought it was strange when he said he doesn't think he deserves to take this punishment. wtf? You've fought 25 fights and just now decided that boxing is too rough for you? That was not even that horrible of a beating anyway. It seems like he's saying boxing is only worth it if you never lose.
Was thinking the same.Alot more mellow than Vargas.Almost too much for me during the interviewQuote:
Originally Posted by KelI think you are being harsh. This was always going to be a tough fight but maybe he was not quite ready for it. Reminds me of VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
It's not a knock on Vic as the kid is obviously humble. It's just the prefight hype his hardship in life and so forth made my expectations higher. He also looks like a BIG junior welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
9 times out of 10 those are the bandwagon fans, and seriously that's something that irks me, i'm not a huge fan of any fighter in specific right now, but i'm a fan of many, let me correct that, i'm not an unbiased fan of ANY fighter, hate all this turning on the guy and kicking him when they're down, but quickly get on the bandwagon when they have a huge win in the future, that kind of shit is utter nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
Her pretty much said he quit in his interview with max kellerman. (which he did not have to do, since it was the doctor that stopped the fight).
But it was funny when his corner was pretty much like: "just say anything, or I am going to stop this fight; just respond in any way."
Oritz did not say a word, and called his corner's bluff.
What happened to this great prospect that Pacdbest2 himself had predicted great things for? :confused:;D
UPSET of the year and may'be Fight of the year
What's the main reason you are a fan of Erik Morales?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales9 times out of 10 those are the bandwagon fans, and seriously that's something that irks me, i'm not a huge fan of any fighter in specific right now, but i'm a fan of many, let me correct that, i'm not an unbiased fan of ANY fighter, hate all this turning on the guy and kicking him when they're down, but quickly get on the bandwagon when they have a huge win in the future, that kind of shit is utter nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
That was a bit mean, but I just found it funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Ortiz had always looked decent but that was all. He was being built up and tonight got found out. I was surprised he quit as easily as that. The Vargas comparison was a good one. Too much, too soon and without a way to cope.
his willingness to take on the best and never turn away from any challenge, but even he knew when it was too much (PAC III) and there is no shame in it, i mean if the fight was pretty even and you just flat out quit, then ok no prob, but if you're pretty much gettin your ass handed to you (and Ortiz was getting mauled by the right hands, and don't think things were gonna get any better for him), all i know is i'd rather see him go out the way he did and fight another day than to have another Oscar DiazQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikWhat's the main reason you are a fan of Erik Morales?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales9 times out of 10 those are the bandwagon fans, and seriously that's something that irks me, i'm not a huge fan of any fighter in specific right now, but i'm a fan of many, let me correct that, i'm not an unbiased fan of ANY fighter, hate all this turning on the guy and kicking him when they're down, but quickly get on the bandwagon when they have a huge win in the future, that kind of shit is utter nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
vic is young, I remember a couple years back jt said something similar after a fight, conteplating retirement or something...and everyone was like wtf cause he wasn't even thirty yet...vic showed a good amount of heart, got of the canvas...seriously nothing wrong with callin it quits when he did. Also yes he may have had enormous hardships in his personal life, that doesn't have to transfer to the ring...I've had a pretty tough life but that don't mean I wouldn't stay down after the first knockdown...it's a different kind of heart and fortitude just having one doesn't also mean you have the other. altho I'd say victor has both. Also the people that call him a quioter and since the comparison already came up with vargas...would you have rather vic made it to the 12th round only to take more punishment and pretty much never be the same fighter again and ruin what ever potential he has...
A bit unfair Ortiz thread here. He put out a very entertaining fight, and that's all matters to me.
Sure it's a road bump for him. But I still see his bright future.
Was disappointed in performance and attitude; oh well find another job if heart only resides when you win.
An exciting fight with a disappointing end. For growing up with a tough upbringing, Ortiz didn't show the heart a Mexican fighter typically has. Especially when fighting as the headliner in the town that supports you, He said he didn't want to go out on his back, well to me it would have been more respectable than turning his back and shaking his head. We've all seen fighters go on with cuts worst than that (Cotto fought 9 rds. with Colotty) Ortiz must dig deep and find the passion that got him recognized
I'm not gonna jump on the guy, but his interview called into question how much he's really into this IMO.
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Originally Posted by KelI think you are being harsh. This was always going to be a tough fight but maybe he was not quite ready for it. Reminds me of VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
No way. Vargas would never go out like Ortiz did. NeverQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWas thinking the same.Alot more mellow than Vargas.Almost too much for me during the interviewQuote:
Originally Posted by KelI think you are being harsh. This was always going to be a tough fight but maybe he was not quite ready for it. Reminds me of VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
Yeah Vargas might be annoying, might have come up short against most of the top guys but he had balls.
Gerald McClellan didn't know when to quit against Nigel Benn. He's only partially deaf, blind, in a wheel chair, with brain damage and struggling to pay his medical bills. And he also had Nigel Benn helped him raise money to pay for his medical bills in one of those fundraisers.
http://www.geraldmcclellan.com/dinner.gif
The fans that were calling McClellan so brave in fighting to get brain damage sure as hell didn't give a damn about what happened to him after that bout with Benn. Victor should look out for himself first, not the fan's lust to see him get brain damage.
what were the first words Jones said when he finally lost? i'm not sure if it was in the 2nd Tarver fight or the Johnson loss, but i know he said "it's just not fun anymore" well no shit, getting KTFO isn't fun, and that's coming from a legend, give the kid a break he's 22, he can only learn from this
"Ferocious" Fernando Vargas fought multiple world champion and hall of famer Tito Trinidad for 11 rounds until he could no longer fight or get up to his feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI think you are being harsh. This was always going to be a tough fight but maybe he was not quite ready for it. Reminds me of VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
"Vicious" Victor Ortiz fought a crude power punching contender and quit in the sixth round.
Aside from the nicknames and fighting out of Oxnard, I don't see much resemblence there.
Thinking more along the lines of a early push in career and overall longevity.Vargas was the better boxer but built along the same promotion exposure.Vargas was more intense and firery in approach and speaking I'd say that.EDit....they both did and will soak up damage in effort to land more errmQuote:
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Originally Posted by KelI think you are being harsh. This was always going to be a tough fight but maybe he was not quite ready for it. Reminds me of VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
No way. Vargas would never go out like Ortiz did. NeverQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWas thinking the same.Alot more mellow than Vargas.Almost too much for me during the interviewQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
rewatching the end.Shite He pretty much did a todd foster :cwm13::shinner:
I never saw the fight, but If it was as grueling as it sounds, I have no issue with him with calling it a day if he did not have any more in him.
He is young and still on a learning curve, he deserves another chance. Why take a beating for nothing? It sucks when they go out like that, but he might do a complete 180 with more maturity and experience.
He'll get another heart test down the line and then we will see where he stands. Everyone deserves 1 pass IMO.
He's a young kid and still learning the game. It's not like this is one of the worst quits in boxing history. Roberto Duran still tops it for me, but yet you still have fans idolizing him and making excuses why he quit.
At least Ortiz quit because he was getting brutally hammered unlike a legend that quit because he was getting outbox.
if he quit against this guy what will he do against someone people have heard of I'm all for givin a guy a break but damn...your first time on the big stage great first impression to the casual fan no one gave khan a break for being young or darchin for that matter
Never did like him. Not that I didn't think he had skill, I just always wanted him to lose.....like some instinctive voice. :D
Victor is a good guy where as Khan is an arrogant prick that people wanted to see KO'edQuote:
Originally Posted by Mar
i swear i was thinking that. as soon as i saw it on fightnews thats the name that popped in my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI think you are being harsh. This was always going to be a tough fight but maybe he was not quite ready for it. Reminds me of VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
good point. And this shows what a guy is outside the ring don't matter, it's in the ring that counts