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Here's a link of the boy admitting he lied, he's come out and said it
Jordan Chandler admits he lied about Michael... | Gather
OT-Boy who accused Michael Jackson in 1993 admits he Lied | Sports Forums - Rams Talk | STLtoday
And here is a story of the mother of the child who accused him of molestation a few years ago, admitting SHE lied
Michael Jackson News-About Michael Jackson
Take that all you freaking haters that called him a pedophile ;)
I'm not convinced either way about Jackson. But these sources don't seem credible to me. I wouldn't believe anything said until it gets documented with the BBC or some other large level news organisation or even a reputed music publication. Sources need to be validated in order to be given credence. The internet is dodgy like that so I would suggest waiting until it's called a hoax or given wider exposure. I'm doubtful of these kinds of stories though so think it's the former.
A link to Rams message board and a blog post? OK Majesty, believe what you want but don't act like this is at all credible.
Up to you to believe it or not. I'm just happy, I'm waiting for CNN or something to cover it but I'm happy :) Of course people are gonna say they will wait for a credible source when for the last 10 years they were ready to believe 'non credible sources' when it came to Michael to bash him. So now the chances are he's innocent and people say they will wait for a credible source. Nice..
Anyway I never doubted him for a minute :)
Would you have let him babysit your kids Majesty?
Majesty you would believe him if there was a videotape of him doing it. Of course on the other side some want to believe it.
I'm not totally sure. At the very least he did some questionable shit.
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LOL; now c'mon Booze you know the answer to that.;D
Now the news is the kids, his, aren't biologically his? :dontknow:
This carnival ride (no pun intended) is going to whirl and twirl for a long time...
So many stories are more deserving of news channels resources than this creep. It is just another indicator of a poor culture elevating fools.
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Like the kids when they sat on his finger.
unless you can prove he's a pedophile :)Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
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Originally Posted by Majestyunless you can prove he's a pedophile :)Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
must suck to be your kid.
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Originally Posted by Majestyunless you can prove he's a pedophile :)Quote:
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must suck to be your kid.
Thanks for attacking my parenting because my opinion isnt yours.
Those articles aren't even punctuated properly, there's no capitals where there should be. Says it all about their credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
When the BBC, Reuters or something credible covers it I'll believe it. A picture of Jordan Chandler & a 'quote' in an article that isn't even written professionally is not going to convince me. Why is it being 'a hater' to question his innocence, I've got this off a lot of my friends in the past few days & it pisses me off. A great musician, but at best he did some grossly inappropriate things with kids.
Also I'm gettin fuckin sick of pricks like Diddy trying to play some race card, heard him saying 'they didn't do it to JFK or Elvis when they died'. Cunt :mad:
This stuff about him not being the father of his kids needs to go though, that's no one's business but the family's.
Whether positive or negative people will do stories about Michael which will get them money or exposure regardless. He isn't around to defend himself anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThose articles aren't even punctuated properly, there's no capitals where there should be. Says it all about their credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
When the BBC, Reuters or something credible covers it I'll believe it. A picture of Jordan Chandler & a 'quote' in an article that isn't even written professionally is not going to convince me. Why is it being 'a hater' to question his innocence, I've got this off a lot of my friends in the past few days & it pisses me off. A great musician, but at best he did some grossly inappropriate things with kids.
Also I'm gettin fuckin sick of pricks like Diddy trying to play some race card, heard him saying 'they didn't do it to JFK or Elvis when they died'. Cunt :mad:
This stuff about him not being the father of his kids needs to go though, that's no one's business but the family's.
But you're right, the race card needs to go, seriously. For example, If a black rapper sales albums and eminem sales more albums Eminem didnt sale more cause he was white its because he is better
said he had a "skin disease." Yeah we all know what that was. I guess a nose job goes with the territory.
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I heard Michael would go all around the world and shop for boys the way people shop for food.
A Russian boy here. Chinese kid over there. Dominican kid on the way home. And a Puerto Rican boy as a late night snack.
No wonder he was $400 million in debt
Listen , the guy was a black guy originally , then he went through hundreds of operations to make himself look like a white version of GAYLON from planet of the apes !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Do you think its normal for a grown man to spend so much time with children , and not have a life partner ??
Face the facts , he has a questionable past at best , he slept with kids ( he said in an interview ), and what grown man who doesnt have a fetish for children , builds a fucking theme park in his back garden ???
The guy was so far from normal he was a freak , hes now dead so get over it , and keep that head in the sand so you dont have to face the truth.
P.S if Jackson was free from any blame in the Jordan Chandler case , then why with all his money didnt he seek justice ?
No instead he bought himself freedom with a huge out of court settlement !
No offense Majesty but your gullibility levels are amazing.Quote:
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So you belive he never touched any boys despite paying one $22,000,000 to not press charges against him. :rolleyes:
You believe the fact he changed colour was due to Vitiligo :rotflmao:
I guess you believe he only had two cosmetic surgeries and that he booked 50 dates on his world tour just because he wanted to perform and not because he was skint too. :-\
He DID have Vitiligo. If you actually knew anything about Michael Jackson you'd know the reason he wore a white glove was because his hand was entirely white from the Vitiligo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboNo offense Majesty but your gullibility levels are amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyVitiligo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
So you belive he never touched any boys despite paying one $22,000,000 to not press charges against him. :rolleyes:
You believe the fact he changed colour was due to Vitiligo :rotflmao:
I guess you believe he only had two cosmetic surgeries and that he booked 50 dates on his world tour just because he wanted to perform and not because he was skint too. :-\
I could care less how many cosmetic surgeries he had, unless he is the only star in hollywood to not get plastic surgery done to himself.
All you have is your opinions and what you choose to and choose not to believe, but you're not gonna make me feel like an idiot for disagreeing because your opinion is just that. Its your opinion to not believe he had vitiligo. And its your opinion on what to believe on the cases. I disagree with you and don't share your same opinion. That doesn't mean anything less about me or you and it doesnt make me gullible either since you can't prove he did touch the little boys and you can't prove that Vitiligo isn't the reason for his skin disorder now can you? Do your opinion holds just as much weight as opinions. Until you can prove anything different thats all they will be :)
By the way they had a psychiatrist evaluate him during those trials. The Psychiatrist said he had the complex of a 10 year old in a man's body but not one of a pedophile. Take that any way you will. But you have your opinion and I have mine and im not gonna try to insult you for believing what you believe because the world isn't supposed to be full of people who agree. I'm just not afraid to state my opinion. Take from it what you will but don't try to insult my intelligence just because I don't agree with you :)
People are very selective about what they want to believe and you cannot trust them to be consistant because no one wants to be wrong, if you believe something you always want to believe it and will make rules for it.
When it comes to Michael Jackson if i make the post here about him not being a molester and etc, then people will say "I need to see a source before I believe it" etc
But i bet if I took a story about Floyd Mayweather Jr in a negative light off some blog post or unknown website and posted it on the main forum people would flock there to bash him and there would be no "I want to wait till ESPN covers this before i say anything"
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Originally Posted by MajestyHe DID have Vitiligo. If you actually knew anything about Michael Jackson you'd know the reason he wore a white glove was because his hand was entirely white from the Vitiligo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboNo offense Majesty but your gullibility levels are amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
So you belive he never touched any boys despite paying one $22,000,000 to not press charges against him. :rolleyes:
You believe the fact he changed colour was due to Vitiligo :rotflmao:
I guess you believe he only had two cosmetic surgeries and that he booked 50 dates on his world tour just because he wanted to perform and not because he was skint too. :-\
I could care less how many cosmetic surgeries he had, unless he is the only star in hollywood to not get plastic surgery done to himself.
All you have is your opinions and what you choose to and choose not to believe, but you're not gonna make me feel like an idiot for disagreeing because your opinion is just that. Its your opinion to not believe he had vitiligo. And its your opinion on what to believe on the cases. I disagree with you and don't share your same opinion. That doesn't mean anything less about me or you and it doesnt make me gullible either since you can't prove he did touch the little boys and you can't prove that Vitiligo isn't the reason for his skin disorder now can you? Do your opinion holds just as much weight as opinions. Until you can prove anything different thats all they will be :)
By the way they had a psychiatrist evaluate him during those trials. The Psychiatrist said he had the complex of a 10 year old in a man's body but not one of a pedophile. Take that any way you will. But you have your opinion and I have mine and im not gonna try to insult you for believing what you believe because the world isn't supposed to be full of people who agree. I'm just not afraid to state my opinion. Take from it what you will but don't try to insult my intelligence just because I don't agree with you :)
People are very selective about what they want to believe and you cannot trust them to be consistant because no one wants to be wrong, if you believe something you always want to believe it and will make rules for it.
When it comes to Michael Jackson if i make the post here about him not being a molester and etc, then people will say "I need to see a source before I believe it" etc
But i bet if I took a story about Floyd Mayweather Jr in a negative light off some blog post or unknown website and posted it on the main forum people would flock there to bash him and there would be no "I want to wait till ESPN covers this before i say anything"
Isn't it ironic the one claiming to be unbiased and the discriminating reader is also the one with a creepy ass Jackson sig?
Let me ask you this Majesty, if ANY other famous celebrity was accused of molesting a boy and rather than take it to court they paid the accuser $22,000,000 would you believe they were totally innocent?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyHe DID have Vitiligo. If you actually knew anything about Michael Jackson you'd know the reason he wore a white glove was because his hand was entirely white from the Vitiligo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboNo offense Majesty but your gullibility levels are amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
So you belive he never touched any boys despite paying one $22,000,000 to not press charges against him. :rolleyes:
You believe the fact he changed colour was due to Vitiligo :rotflmao:
I guess you believe he only had two cosmetic surgeries and that he booked 50 dates on his world tour just because he wanted to perform and not because he was skint too. :-\
I could care less how many cosmetic surgeries he had, unless he is the only star in hollywood to not get plastic surgery done to himself.
All you have is your opinions and what you choose to and choose not to believe, but you're not gonna make me feel like an idiot for disagreeing because your opinion is just that. Its your opinion to not believe he had vitiligo. And its your opinion on what to believe on the cases. I disagree with you and don't share your same opinion. That doesn't mean anything less about me or you and it doesnt make me gullible either since you can't prove he did touch the little boys and you can't prove that Vitiligo isn't the reason for his skin disorder now can you? Do your opinion holds just as much weight as opinions. Until you can prove anything different thats all they will be :)
By the way they had a psychiatrist evaluate him during those trials. The Psychiatrist said he had the complex of a 10 year old in a man's body but not one of a pedophile. Take that any way you will. But you have your opinion and I have mine and im not gonna try to insult you for believing what you believe because the world isn't supposed to be full of people who agree. I'm just not afraid to state my opinion. Take from it what you will but don't try to insult my intelligence just because I don't agree with you :)
People are very selective about what they want to believe and you cannot trust them to be consistant because no one wants to be wrong, if you believe something you always want to believe it and will make rules for it.
When it comes to Michael Jackson if i make the post here about him not being a molester and etc, then people will say "I need to see a source before I believe it" etc
But i bet if I took a story about Floyd Mayweather Jr in a negative light off some blog post or unknown website and posted it on the main forum people would flock there to bash him and there would be no "I want to wait till ESPN covers this before i say anything"
If the accuser also claimed he knew about distinguishing features on the accused's knob and a medical showed he did have those features would you not be even more inclined to doubt the accused if it was ANYONE else other than MJ?
If ANY other black celebrity in history slowly started to change colour from black to white in a completely uniform and even manner all over his whole body would you believe it was due to vitiligo? I'm not an expert on the disease but has this has happened to ANYBODY else in history? It sounds like a medical marvel to me, like the tree man or the six armed girl.
To the sane unbiased logical mind the evidence against Michael Jackson is to about the same level as against OJ Simpson.
I mean OJ was found not guilty as they had no murder weapon, no fingerprints and no witnesses. They found a bloodstained glove but it was too small hence he was declared not guilty. DNA evidence was inconclusive.
Yet everyone believes OJ was guilty, so much so that even after being found guilty they took him to court again.
Yet Michael because he's a 'child man' is totally innocent of any and all allegations and is a perfect human being.
But like I say before you tell me how wrong I am, just tell me a single other celebrity on earth who if they paid $22,000,000 to a kid accusing him of raping them and whose skin turned from black to white that you would believe they were telling the truth?
I have, it wasnt a boy thought, but it was a similar situation, the celebrities name was Kobe Bryant ;) Shaq too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If the accuser said that then why were the criminal proceedings closed its criminal investigation because of lack of evidence. Answer that ;) Ever think that it was settled in a Civil suit because Michael wanted the proceedings to not be drawn out for years and wanted to move on with his life? Or are Shaq and Kobe also rapists? for settling out of court as many celebrities have before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Then don't be anal about it. And yes Vitiligo have happened to other people in history, there is comedian Graham Norton, who is naturally white and still got it, also news anchor Lee Thomas who wrote a book "Turning White" And was also on the Montell Williams show talking about the disease. Apparently Krizz Kaliko who is a rapper has the disorder and even wrote a song about it. The creator of the Venture Bros. TV show has it. This guy from Reno 911! a Show on Comedy Central has it. and Panlilio who is governor of a part of the Phillipines actually has it. Look it up if you don't believe me, Michael isnt the ONLY celebrity to get Vitiligo.Quote:
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And here's something on youtube about Lee Thomas I suggest you watch it
YouTube - Vitiligo - Lee Thomas - Turning White 2020 Interview
No one is perfect but he isn't a rapist or a pedophile either in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yep, if the cases happened exactly as they did. You forget, or you refuse to give me the benefit of the doubt that I actually looked over these cases, my mother has me study law for crying out loud, I don't think he's innocent because he is Michael Jackson, I think he's innocent because I think he's innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
This is the last post im making in response to you on this subject :) I hope you got what you were looking for. Talk to you on other forums where we can actually agree on something, like boxing.
Here's some rep for the debate.
You didn't answer my post because you are a delusional idiot who tries to talk like Jackson , what a twat !Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyI have, it wasnt a boy thought, but it was a similar situation, the celebrities name was Kobe Bryant ;) Shaq too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If the accuser said that then why were the criminal proceedings closed its criminal investigation because of lack of evidence. Answer that ;) Ever think that it was settled in a Civil suit because Michael wanted the proceedings to not be drawn out for years and wanted to move on with his life? Or are Shaq and Kobe also rapists? for settling out of court as many celebrities have before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Then don't be anal about it. And yes Vitiligo have happened to other people in history, there is comedian Graham Norton, who is naturally white and still got it, also news anchor Lee Thomas who wrote a book "Turning White" And was also on the Montell Williams show talking about the disease. Apparently Krizz Kaliko who is a rapper has the disorder and even wrote a song about it. The creator of the Venture Bros. TV show has it. This guy from Reno 911! a Show on Comedy Central has it. and Panlilio who is governor of a part of the Phillipines actually has it. Look it up if you don't believe me, Michael isnt the ONLY celebrity to get Vitiligo.
And here's something on youtube about Lee Thomas I suggest you watch it
YouTube - Vitiligo - Lee Thomas - Turning White 2020 Interview
No one is perfect but he isn't a rapist or a pedophile either in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yep, if the cases happened exactly as they did. You forget, or you refuse to give me the benefit of the doubt that I actually looked over these cases, my mother has me study law for crying out loud, I don't think he's innocent because he is Michael Jackson, I think he's innocent because I think he's innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
This is the last post im making in response to you on this subject :) I hope you got what you were looking for. Talk to you on other forums where we can actually agree on something, like boxing.
Here's some rep for the debate.
I tell myself the same thing. I remember when Monica Lewinsky was seen as a total heroe, go figure. Hords of people following her taking pictures, asking for an autograph, her fat face on tv, her line of bags or whatever she came up with, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
I wonder if it was MJ's fault to be that famous and have his death covered everywhere you go :rolleyes:.
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He DID have Vitiligo. If you actually knew anything about Michael Jackson you'd know the reason he wore a white glove was because his hand was entirely white from the Vitiligo
After my father got vitiligo I understood what it was. Skin pigmentation is lost and makes it white. My father was a darked skinned Mexican from the interior of Mexico. First, he started to get white spots on his elbows and knees and then all over the place until he was fully white. Because his skin lost pigmentation he couldn't be under the sunlight anymore or his skin would get irritated and sunburned easily. So he would wear hats or just look for shades whenever we went outdoors. Michael Jackson walking with an umbrella and not being exposed to the sun kind of makes sense to me now when you mention vitiligo. This is no medical marvel, my father has it too. I don't see any artistic reason for my father to go through the same thing of having white spots around his body until he was covered by them and turned completely white.
Is vitiligo really that new to people?
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Originally Posted by MajestyI have, it wasnt a boy thought, but it was a similar situation, the celebrities name was Kobe Bryant ;) Shaq too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If the accuser said that then why were the criminal proceedings closed its criminal investigation because of lack of evidence. Answer that ;) Ever think that it was settled in a Civil suit because Michael wanted the proceedings to not be drawn out for years and wanted to move on with his life? Or are Shaq and Kobe also rapists? for settling out of court as many celebrities have before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Then don't be anal about it. And yes Vitiligo have happened to other people in history, there is comedian Graham Norton, who is naturally white and still got it, also news anchor Lee Thomas who wrote a book "Turning White" And was also on the Montell Williams show talking about the disease. Apparently Krizz Kaliko who is a rapper has the disorder and even wrote a song about it. The creator of the Venture Bros. TV show has it. This guy from Reno 911! a Show on Comedy Central has it. and Panlilio who is governor of a part of the Phillipines actually has it. Look it up if you don't believe me, Michael isnt the ONLY celebrity to get Vitiligo.
And here's something on youtube about Lee Thomas I suggest you watch it
YouTube - Vitiligo - Lee Thomas - Turning White 2020 Interview
No one is perfect but he isn't a rapist or a pedophile either in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yep, if the cases happened exactly as they did. You forget, or you refuse to give me the benefit of the doubt that I actually looked over these cases, my mother has me study law for crying out loud, I don't think he's innocent because he is Michael Jackson, I think he's innocent because I think he's innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
This is the last post im making in response to you on this subject :) I hope you got what you were looking for. Talk to you on other forums where we can actually agree on something, like boxing.
Here's some rep for the debate.
Majesty Majesty Majesty (shakes head)
First off Kobe Bryant DID admit to having sex with that girl he just denied it was rape and said it was consensual and it was settled out of court.
Do you think if he hadn't had sex with her at all he would have apologised and settled? Hell no he'd say he never touched her at all, and COUNTER SUE!!!! Legal action and criminal proceedings would be launched both ways because he would allege she was a liar and a fraud.
But as he HAD had sex with her he could only say it was a miscommunication at best.
Michael claims he NEVER TOUCHED a child AT ALL, yet paid $22,000,000 anyway
Ok onto the vitiligo. Yes I know its a real disease and I can accept that Michael had it, but it doesn't spread in a uniform even manner over the whole body.
Michael gradually turned white in perfect union over his whole body, there were no blotches on his face. Please show us the pictures where his black face was covered in unsightly white stains for years whilst he was undergoing the transition....
Maybe he so hated the stains he had, (his hand and penis for example) that he bleached the rest of his body so it all matched but he still artificially changed his colour.
If you disagree again show me ONE SINGLE example of someone else who changed colour from black to white in one go without signs of blotch and stain, but just gradually and harmoniously over his whole body faded to white?
I'm not trying to shatter your illusions of MJ, I'm sure he was a decent, loving man but he has some very dubious lifestyle claims against him and his protestations of innocence seem to be 'unlikely' at best.
If I remember correctly, MJ doesn't normally go out in shorts or no-sleeve shirts to come with a conclusion that he suddenly became white from night to morning. Look at his clothes. If he shows skin is his left hand (the other one has that globe) and face. If I remember correctly, vitiligo started to do its thing on him during his late 20s. Being in the Hollywood scene, I don't see how he wouldn't be able to touch up white spots on his face with make up.Quote:
Michael gradually turned white in perfect union over his whole body, there were no blotches on his face. Please show us the pictures where his black face was covered in unsightly white stains for years whilst he was undergoing the transition....
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http://www.jacksonaction.com/text/vitiligo-filer/image008.jpg
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There's a video on YouTube as well, don't have it with me but I can look for it when I go home. Just type "Michael Jackson vitiligo" or something. I am sure something will come up.
My assumption is that it wasn't from night to morning. He is covered MOST of the time so it would make sense for him to cover himself even more while he was going through this disease until he was covered by it. It took my father a couple of years to turn completely white. My father could go to Russia and people would think he was from there and not a Mexican from then interior of Mexico who had dark skin. The difference is that my father didn't have access to Hollywood make up and what not to cover his white stains on his face and body and then stop using that once his body was completely white.Quote:
Maybe he so hated the stains he had, (his hand and penis for example) that he bleached the rest of his body so it all matched but he still artificially changed his colour.
If you disagree again show me ONE SINGLE example of someone else who changed colour from black to white in one go without signs of blotch and stain, but just gradually and harmoniously over his whole body faded to white?
Sure, there are doubts about this and that, but the whole vitiligo thing I can somehow understand. I've seen it in my very own family and can understand certain things MJ does about it (umbrella, not being in the sun for long times, using clothes that cover most of your body, etc.).Quote:
I'm not trying to shatter your illusions of MJ, I'm sure he was a decent, loving man but he has some very dubious lifestyle claims against him and his protestations of innocence seem to be 'unlikely' at best
What I find a bit sad is that, ok, people had doubts about different things and all but everybody forgets about the orphanages and hospitals he built around the world, Heal the World Foundation, "We are the World" thing, etc. And people rather talk about him fixing his nose or not among other things.
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Good post Chino can't really argue with any of that. He did indeed cover up a great deal when he was out and make up could have been used to hide it to an extent. Knowing how weird Michael in the rest of his life it wouldn't at all suprise me if he did bleach it, in fact I still believe he did, but you're experience means you can't discount the idea of vitiligo completely.
As for the other stuff he did I agree he did some great things, and the good definitely outweighs the bad, he was just 'controversial' shall we say...