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Is Shane Mosely the greatest ever?
Sugar Shane has done what is apparently impossible to do. He moved down from 154 lbs to 147 lbs, late in his career, after more than 40 fights and well into his thirties and won the linear title.
As we know from recent debates on this forum as well as basic understanding of human biology it is impossible for a fighter to give up even a couple of pounds and be able to compete with a smaller guy on a fair footing and yet Sugar Shane has defied these odds and moved down AN ENTIRE WEIGHT CLASS and became the champ.
Surely he must be the best fighter of all time?
Discuss
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Agreed... :rolleyes: he got down to 147... so why stop there... He has demonstrated that he can move in the 'down' direction, logically there is no cut off point he would ever have to stop right?
I had £10 in my wallet... I just bought a CD for £9.99
Would anybody like to lend a £10?... I'll just get it out of my wallet. :-\
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GOAT??? NO
One of the sports greatest ever yes.....
Top 20 imo
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Surely he must be the best fighter of all time?
No.... and stop calling me Shirley.
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Sugar Shane is definitely the greatest fighter that has ever lived. Sugar Shane almost 38 years old manages to be just as strong, fast, with great reflexes that he had in his late 20s. No fighter in fact no athlete in the history of sports has managed to be as physically good in their late 30s as they were in their prime years.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Robinson were shot in their late 30s, Ali was getting beat up by Holmes and Berbick, Roy Jones was getting ko by guys he would have beaten up, Whitaker was getting beat up by Tito, Joe Louis got ko by Marciano at age 37. Not with Sugar Shane.
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I do agree with a bit of what Bilbo is saying though... it is a very rare feat for a fighter to move down a weight class after campaigning at another one for a long time.
I wonder why it could possibly be so rare... :rolleyes:
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generalbulldog
Sugar Shane is definitely the greatest fighter that has ever lived. Sugar Shane almost 38 years old manages to be just as strong, fast, with great reflexes that he had in his late 20s. No fighter in fact no athlete in the history of sports has managed to be as physically good in their late 30s as they were in their prime years.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Robinson were shot in their late 30s, Ali was getting beat up by Holmes and Berbick, Roy Jones was getting ko by guys he would have beaten up, Whitaker was getting beat up by Tito, Joe Louis got ko by Marciano at age 37. Not with Sugar Shane.
Bernard Hopkins??
Also at about the same age as Shane, SRR managed to beat Carmen Basilio in despite this coming on the back of a 150 fight career. No way is Shane as fast as he was in his prime as well, he didn't look that fast against Mayorga, who he would have blinded with speed once.
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He is a great fighter and I rate Shane very highly but no.
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generalbulldog
Sugar Shane is definitely the greatest fighter that has ever lived. Sugar Shane almost 38 years old manages to be just as strong, fast, with great reflexes that he had in his late 20s. No fighter in fact no athlete in the history of sports has managed to be as physically good in their late 30s as they were in their prime years.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Robinson were shot in their late 30s, Ali was getting beat up by Holmes and Berbick, Roy Jones was getting ko by guys he would have beaten up, Whitaker was getting beat up by Tito, Joe Louis got ko by Marciano at age 37. Not with Sugar Shane.
Bernard Hopkins??
Also at about the same age as Shane, SRR managed to beat Carmen Basilio in despite this coming on the back of a 150 fight career. No way is Shane as fast as he was in his prime as well, he didn't look that fast against Mayorga, who he would have blinded with speed once.
Bernard Hopkins uses his ring smarts more so than his physical gifts which aren't there anymore when he was young. Hopkins is a crafty veteran.
Sugar Shane looked great against Margarito at welterweight. It looked like the Sugar Shane that fought Oscar for the 1st time in 2000. The power, speed, agility, quick reflexes were there. It was as if he never aged.
Sugar shane should share his secrets with a guy like Roy Jones or Whittaker, who here wouldn't want to see those guys return to their primes?
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Defeated by Vernon Forrest and Winky takes some of the shine, and I felt he lost the second fight to ODH, but if he managed himself like Mayweather then he would have stayed at lightweight and never lost.
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generalbulldog
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JazMerkin
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generalbulldog
Sugar Shane is definitely the greatest fighter that has ever lived. Sugar Shane almost 38 years old manages to be just as strong, fast, with great reflexes that he had in his late 20s. No fighter in fact no athlete in the history of sports has managed to be as physically good in their late 30s as they were in their prime years.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Robinson were shot in their late 30s, Ali was getting beat up by Holmes and Berbick, Roy Jones was getting ko by guys he would have beaten up, Whitaker was getting beat up by Tito, Joe Louis got ko by Marciano at age 37. Not with Sugar Shane.
Bernard Hopkins??
Also at about the same age as Shane, SRR managed to beat Carmen Basilio in despite this coming on the back of a 150 fight career. No way is Shane as fast as he was in his prime as well, he didn't look that fast against Mayorga, who he would have blinded with speed once.
Bernard Hopkins uses his ring smarts more so than his physical gifts which aren't there anymore when he was young. Hopkins is a crafty veteran.
Sugar Shane looked great against Margarito at welterweight. It looked like the Sugar Shane that fought Oscar for the 1st time in 2000. The power, speed, agility, quick reflexes were there. It was as if he never aged.
Sugar shane should share his secrets with a guy like Roy Jones or Whittaker, who here wouldn't want to see those guys return to their primes?
Shane uses his ring smarts as well, & I think the lack of speed on Margarito's behalf made Shane look quicker than he still is. That win was all about ring smarts for me.
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Mosely is a great fighter ....... greates ever to step between the ropes ..... I'm not sure.
Robinson went nearly 100 fights undefeated, lost, then went nearly another hundred undefeated (when fighters actually fought the best around), Duran cleaned out the lightweights, took over at Welter and was fiercely competitive for the next 25 years.
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I think the point of this thread is to defend Pacquiaos actions in some way. To say that if a fighter boiled down in weight and is sucessful then he must be great .. . . . . cuz Oscar , Hatton , Cotto are all weight drained and stand no chance pre fight whereas Shane has proven he can still win
The topic has come from a pacfan so in a round about way they are trying to make a point of defending Pacs actions about catchweights.
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Great fighter.Nice guy.Tremendous ahtlete and nothing but respect for him but not the best ever.No way.As Master mentioned I think his two losses to Forrest reduce it.And he did not always fight a smart fight.....the Mayorga fight for example.Think that was all about sending a message to Margarito.....he bombed with a very physical Mayorga.Also wish he would have cleaned up lightweight prior to leaping to Welter.
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generalbulldog
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JazMerkin
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generalbulldog
Sugar Shane is definitely the greatest fighter that has ever lived. Sugar Shane almost 38 years old manages to be just as strong, fast, with great reflexes that he had in his late 20s. No fighter in fact no athlete in the history of sports has managed to be as physically good in their late 30s as they were in their prime years.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Robinson were shot in their late 30s, Ali was getting beat up by Holmes and Berbick, Roy Jones was getting ko by guys he would have beaten up, Whitaker was getting beat up by Tito, Joe Louis got ko by Marciano at age 37. Not with Sugar Shane.
Bernard Hopkins??
Also at about the same age as Shane, SRR managed to beat Carmen Basilio in despite this coming on the back of a 150 fight career. No way is Shane as fast as he was in his prime as well, he didn't look that fast against Mayorga, who he would have blinded with speed once.
Bernard Hopkins uses his ring smarts more so than his physical gifts which aren't there anymore when he was young. Hopkins is a crafty veteran.
Sugar Shane looked great against Margarito at welterweight. It looked like the Sugar Shane that fought Oscar for the 1st time in 2000. The power, speed, agility, quick reflexes were there. It was as if he never aged.
Sugar shane should share his secrets with a guy like Roy Jones or Whittaker, who here wouldn't want to see those guys return to their primes?
Hopkins still has his speed, and that was evident in the Pavlik fight, and it was against a guy 17 yrs younger than him, he still has his reflexes and can put his combo's together, IMO B-Hop should be ranked higher on the ATG list than Mosley, Shane is an ATG for sure, but no way the greatest fighter ever, not by a long shot, he had an ugly period in his career and honestly i didn't think he won a fight from his first lost against Forrest all the way till he fought Estrada (both Forrest fights, a NC with Raul Marquez, IMO DLH won the rematch, and the two losses to Wright), so thats 2 losses back to back followed by a no contest, then followed by 3 more losses :-\, so technically he didn't win a fight in 3 yrs, what he's managed to do since then has been amazing (win over Collazo, close fight with Cotto, and the Margarito fight) but all the other bit combined makes him fall short
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I can't believe people are taking Bilbo seriously here. If only he was around to see it.
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Defeated by Vernon Forrest and Winky takes some of the shine, and I felt he lost the second fight to ODH, but if he managed himself like Mayweather then he would have stayed at lightweight and never lost.
Very good point
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I can't believe people are taking Bilbo seriously here. If only he was around to see it.
His mum will tell him all about it while she holds the vomit bucket under him while he exercises on his rower.
Shane Mosley is THEEEEEEEEEEEEE greatest....period. His losses don't count:)
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I think the point of this thread is to defend Pacquiaos actions in some way. To say that if a fighter boiled down in weight and is sucessful then he must be great .. . . . . cuz Oscar , Hatton , Cotto are all weight drained and stand no chance pre fight whereas Shane has proven he can still win
The topic has come from a pacfan so in a round about way they are trying to make a point of defending Pacs actions about catchweights.
Exactly... his moot point is that because shane managed to get back to 147 that means that he can go further indefinetly and that because shane managed to get down to 147 this theory can somehow also be applied to other fighters... no matter how much their physical situation differs from Shane's the same theory can be applied... :rolleyes:
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i remember when i made a thread sayin is rjj the greastest ever, what i meant to say was, is roy jones one of the greatest ever. shane mosley is definately not the greatest, although on his lightweight form he definately fought like he could of been.for me as far as lightweights go hes in my top five, of all time tho top 30 maybe top 20
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Shane Mosley is a great fighter, i love watching him fight. The greatest ever? No. He has had to many ordinary performances to rank him number 1 of the past 10 years let alone the greatest ever. He needs to fight Cotto again and settle the score. Mayweather will fight Pacquaio, nothing is surer so there is no excuse for Mosley V Cotto 2 happening this year. Mosley is an ATG no doubt about it, but losing to Forrest and Winky twice each has tarnished things a bit. His greatest performance was DLH 1 where he was at his peak and beat DLH at his peak. He lost the second fight.
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Bilbo's Mom
Sugar Shane has done what is apparently impossible to do. He moved down from 154 lbs to 147 lbs, late in his career, after more than 40 fights and well into his thirties and won the linear title.
As we know from recent debates on this forum as well as basic understanding of human biology it is impossible for a fighter to give up even a couple of pounds and be able to compete with a smaller guy on a fair footing and yet Sugar Shane has defied these odds and moved down AN ENTIRE WEIGHT CLASS and became the champ.
Surely he must be the best fighter of all time?
Discuss
Are you serious? Shane is good but greatest of all time? This post is the greatest waist of all time!:rolleyes:
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Mosely makes my top 1000, just behind Martin Rogan. He was 1 second away from humiliation against Mayorga
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Mosely makes my top 1000, just behind Martin Rogan. He was 1 second away from humiliation against Mayorga
Yes, because the way people view him should be based upon one fight.
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Bilbo's Mom
Sugar Shane has done what is apparently impossible to do. He moved down from 154 lbs to 147 lbs, late in his career, after more than 40 fights and well into his thirties and won the linear title.
As we know from recent debates on this forum as well as basic understanding of human biology it is impossible for a fighter to give up even a couple of pounds and be able to compete with a smaller guy on a fair footing and yet Sugar Shane has defied these odds and moved down AN ENTIRE WEIGHT CLASS and became the champ.
Surely he must be the best fighter of all time?
Discuss
Great boxer? Yes.
Do i think its amazing what hes done? yes
Greatest boxer of all time? Not even close
His credentials dont stack up anywhere near that kinda talk. I love him as a fighter and hes a class act though.
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Mate I haven't seen you posting here in years! ;)
I wouldn't even respond to Bilbo... he doesn't want to talk about Mosely's achievements... he's got a hidden Pac agenda (he tries to hide it but secretly he's a Pac minion).
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Mosely makes my top 1000, just behind Martin Rogan. He was 1 second away from humiliation against Mayorga
Humiliation as the scorecards would have announced him the winner? That was a great fight where both fighters performed well and Mosley really put the fan interest before his and probably made things harder on himself then he should have. As for the post, a lot of serious replies? And is this Bilbo?
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Mosely makes my top 1000, just behind Martin Rogan. He was 1 second away from humiliation against Mayorga
Humiliation as the scorecards would have announced him the winner? That was a great fight where both fighters performed well and Mosley really put the fan interest before his and probably made things harder on himself then he should have.
As for the post, a lot of serious replies? And is this Bilbo?
I know. It boggles the mind.
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generalbulldog
Sugar Shane is definitely the greatest fighter that has ever lived. Sugar Shane almost 38 years old manages to be just as strong, fast, with great reflexes that he had in his late 20s. No fighter in fact no athlete in the history of sports has managed to be as physically good in their late 30s as they were in their prime years.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Robinson were shot in their late 30s, Ali was getting beat up by Holmes and Berbick, Roy Jones was getting ko by guys he would have beaten up, Whitaker was getting beat up by Tito, Joe Louis got ko by Marciano at age 37. Not with Sugar Shane.
Tell this to George Foreman and Archie Moore who were still champions at 45. If Shane is still on top in 7 years then I'll agree with you.
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Style makes fight. Shane Mosley is great. Margarito is tailor made for him. That was prolly his greatest performance. But he's also tailor made for a couple of fighters... Forrest and Wright. And for that, he can't be above SRR, Ali, or any top 10 ATGs.
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Of course not! WW and VF and Cotto beat him so what does that mean?
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Mosely makes my top 1000, just behind Martin Rogan. He was 1 second away from humiliation against Mayorga
Yes, because the way people view him should be based upon one fight.
Yeah 1 fight that he won by sensational KO and was a mile ahead on points anyway. I dont think he has a point .
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Mosely makes my top 1000, just behind Martin Rogan. He was 1 second away from humiliation against Mayorga
Yes, because the way people view him should be based upon one fight.
Yeah 1 fight that he won by sensational KO and was a mile ahead on points anyway. I dont think he has a point .
:-\ what fight were you watching? the Mayorga fight was close until the sensational KO, the fact that the fight was so close and for Mosley to not let it go to the cards at the very last second was what made it such a good knockout, i had Mosley ahead by one round, two at most going into the 12th, hardly a mile ahead, the official scores were judge: Tony Crebs 107-102 | judge: Pat Russell 104-105 | judge: Nelson Vazquez 105-104
in favor of Shane, and IMO 107-102 is pretty ludicrous
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Yes, because the way people view him should be based upon one fight.
Yeah 1 fight that he won by sensational KO and was a mile ahead on points anyway. I dont think he has a point .
:-\ what fight were you watching? the Mayorga fight was close until the sensational KO, the fact that the fight was so close and for Mosley to not let it go to the cards at the very last second was what made it such a good knockout, i had Mosley ahead by one round, two at most going into the 12th, hardly a mile ahead, the official scores were judge: Tony Crebs 107-102 | judge: Pat Russell 104-105 | judge: Nelson Vazquez 105-104
in favor of Shane, and IMO 107-102 is pretty ludicrous
I personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.
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Yeah 1 fight that he won by sensational KO and was a mile ahead on points anyway. I dont think he has a point .
:-\ what fight were you watching? the Mayorga fight was close until the sensational KO, the fact that the fight was so close and for Mosley to not let it go to the cards at the very last second was what made it such a good knockout, i had Mosley ahead by one round, two at most going into the 12th, hardly a mile ahead, the official scores were judge: Tony Crebs 107-102 | judge: Pat Russell 104-105 | judge: Nelson Vazquez 105-104
in favor of Shane, and IMO 107-102 is pretty ludicrous
I personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.
but he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't so
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:-\ what fight were you watching? the Mayorga fight was close until the sensational KO, the fact that the fight was so close and for Mosley to not let it go to the cards at the very last second was what made it such a good knockout, i had Mosley ahead by one round, two at most going into the 12th, hardly a mile ahead, the official scores were judge: Tony Crebs 107-102 | judge: Pat Russell 104-105 | judge: Nelson Vazquez 105-104
in favor of Shane, and IMO 107-102 is pretty ludicrous
I personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.
but he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't so
I agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
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I personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.
but he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't so
I agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
well i thought he looked impressive against Margarito, he was throwing bombs the full fight, his stamina was amazing, and speed and punches still looked very sharp
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I personally didn't think it was as close as some people thought, Ricardo Mayorga landed hardly any clean blows. I had Shane Mosley comfortably ahead.
but he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't so
I agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately,
i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
Then Shane knocks out an ironed chinned top Welter 7/8 years later in dominant fashion. That's pretty good going.
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but he was smothering a lot of Mosley's shots and also stopping his momentum, IMO it wasn't pretty but Mayorga was being effective, and even if Mosley was well ahead, his performance was hardly as impressive than DLH's and Trinidad's against Mayorga, many believed Mayorga had nothing left prior to the Mosley fight, it came out that it wasn't so
I agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately,
i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
Then Shane knocks out an ironed chinned top Welter 7/8 years later in dominant fashion. That's pretty good going.
The thing is though how good is Antonio Margarito ? i think he's pretty ordinary to be honest except his chin and workrate. But what made him more devastating was his supposedly thudding power, but when he didn't have the handwraps where was all that thudding power ?
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I agree i wasn't impressed with Shane Mosley against Ricardo Mayorga either, he only looked good in spurts. Infact i haven't been impressed with Shane Mosley in quite awhile, were not even sure how good Antonio Margarito is without the handwraps.
Even against Luis Collazo he was losing until Luis Collazo broke his hand, which changed the momentum of the fight. I just think people are overrating Shane Mosley lately, i don't think he's been at his best since 2001.
Then Shane knocks out an ironed chinned top Welter 7/8 years later in dominant fashion. That's pretty good going.
The thing is though how good is Antonio Margarito ? i think he's pretty ordinary to be honest except his chin and workrate. But what made him more devastating was his supposedly thudding power, but when he didn't have the handwraps where was all that thudding power ?
don't think that the wraps would have made much of a difference, he didn't land much on Shane, so the wraps didn't really matter
