watching it now, christ, that carey woman just murdered i'll be there. awful.
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watching it now, christ, that carey woman just murdered i'll be there. awful.
Oh look its this weeks version of Pimp my Funeral!
Sitting here watching the in the Staples Centre Jacko concert.
Cunts taking ages to come on
If he pops out of the coffin for an encore it's going to be a hell of a way to kick off a world tour.
For once he's in a box thats too big for him!
i wasn't that bothered about watching it but did and i thought it was pretty good with some sad moments.
I think Shaheen Jafargholi has just become an over night superstar.
This kid was gonna be a star since Britains got talent(cant imbed it so you'll have to watch it on youtube itself)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYDM3MIzEHo
This was SUCH a moment, because he was originally singing An Amy Winehouse song and Simon stopped him and asked if he could sign another, and this whole moment it was like Simon KNEW this kid could do that song(Who's lovin you) Simon cowell single handedly recognized this kids talent and changed his life. I watched this vid like 20 times last night then i read he was gonna be at Michael's funeral today in honor of him, so I thought id post this.
X's jokes aside, I agree. I was more interested in catching some of this than princess doe eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
It was good, not overly sugary, good tributes & yes at times moving. What a world debut from Shaheen.
Just as a side regarding that show. It's fixed. They don't get to sing or dance to what they want.:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThis kid was gonna be a star since Britains got talent(cant imbed it so you'll have to watch it on youtube itself)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYDM3MIzEHo
This was SUCH a moment, because he was originally singing An Amy Winehouse song and Simon stopped him and asked if he could sign another, and this whole moment it was like Simon KNEW this kid could do that song(Who's lovin you) Simon cowell single handedly recognized this kids talent and changed his life. I watched this vid like 20 times last night then i read he was gonna be at Michael's funeral today in honor of him, so I thought id post this.
And those last words from Michael's daughter capped a perfect tribute. I don't know if ive ever seen a bigger send off. but i found myself trying to hide my crying from my dad watching this this morning before having to head off to class(had to retake a class I failed >_<) But I loved this tribute, it was just beautiful.
and yes im on saddoboxing while in class, but im the only student here i've earned it lol
Still awesome nonetheless :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyJust as a side regarding that show. It's fixed. They don't get to sing or dance to what they want.:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThis kid was gonna be a star since Britains got talent(cant imbed it so you'll have to watch it on youtube itself)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYDM3MIzEHo
This was SUCH a moment, because he was originally singing An Amy Winehouse song and Simon stopped him and asked if he could sign another, and this whole moment it was like Simon KNEW this kid could do that song(Who's lovin you) Simon cowell single handedly recognized this kids talent and changed his life. I watched this vid like 20 times last night then i read he was gonna be at Michael's funeral today in honor of him, so I thought id post this.
Kid's life changed overnight from that song in my opinion. Even though they don't get to sing what they want always he took that song and did... well THAT.. ;)
shouldn't worry about it, I'm sure many folks let out a little tear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Yup. And that's who is going to feel it the most. His kids. Nice that she wanted to speak. I got the feeling she wanted to say more but couldn't. You'd hope the press would leave 'em alone now for a while but I doubt it.:mad:
I'm pretty sure his daughter is gonna be the topic of a lot of press over the next few years. And if she even says the words "I want to sing" she is gonna be watched. Just like Michael Jordan's son is watched if he does anything basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyshouldn't worry about it, I'm sure many folks let out a little tear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Yup. And that's who is going to feel it the most. His kids. Nice that she wanted to speak. I got the feeling she wanted to say more but couldn't. You'd hope the press would leave 'em alone now for a while but I doubt it.:mad:
I truly hope that they will be left alone. But if that custody battle comes up and etc, then it's just gonna be more press on those little kids :( But after what I saw today im even more convinced that they would be much better as Jackson's instead of Rowes. :) But the press won't ever stop :( It comes with being Michael Jackson's children. But I am so happy she wanted to speak, and I thought she wanted to say more as well but just couldn't. It was a perfect ending.
seen him live last month, he did ABC with the other kids from BGT, the young street dancer, the fuzzy haired kid from diverisity and some other kid who i can't remember in my drunk state :) .... they stole the show from Susan Boyle ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyX's jokes aside, I agree. I was more interested in catching some of this than princess doe eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
It was good, not overly sugary, good tributes & yes at times moving. What a world debut from Shaheen.
I always thought she got too much attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddoseen him live last month, he did ABC with the other kids from BGT, the young street dancer, the fuzzy haired kid from diverisity and some other kid who i can't remember in my drunk state :) .... they stole the show from Susan Boyle ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyX's jokes aside, I agree. I was more interested in catching some of this than princess doe eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
It was good, not overly sugary, good tributes & yes at times moving. What a world debut from Shaheen.
you went to see the BGT live show? Was the young black girl in it? Thought she had potential (another one that lost her place because she couldn't sing her song choice IMO).
I bet if he got close to coffin, Michael's corpse would of reached out and try to grab him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
yeah took the kids they loved it... that girl wasnt there only the finalists and Darth Jackson. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI always thought she got too much attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddoseen him live last month, he did ABC with the other kids from BGT, the young street dancer, the fuzzy haired kid from diverisity and some other kid who i can't remember in my drunk state :) .... they stole the show from Susan Boyle ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
you went to see the BGT live show? Was the young black girl in it? Thought she had potential (another one that lost her place because she couldn't sing her song choice IMO).
:rolleyes:
Why would that be VD? Because he's a kiddie fiddler? Oh that's right, not guilty. Maybe he fiddled with his own kids as well and that's why she was crying. Because he certainly looked odd and didn't act normal so that must mean he's capable right?
There are plenty of other threads to talk shit in.
oh dear;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddoyeah took the kids they loved it... that girl wasnt there only the finalists and Darth Jackson. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI always thought she got too much attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
you went to see the BGT live show? Was the young black girl in it? Thought she had potential (another one that lost her place because she couldn't sing her song choice IMO).
it was pretty cool strangly enough, there were notices all over saying stavros flatly wont be preforming and in the middle of DJ's routine there was this storm trooper doing the stavros it was classic... his son didn't turn up so they threw that in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyoh dear;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddoyeah took the kids they loved it... that girl wasnt there only the finalists and Darth Jackson. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
he also kept on trying to get a girl in the audience back stage.
Susan Boyle was amazing though ;)
I was only there for my kids you understand :embarassed:
bet you went to Dancing on Ice as well.:cool:
Don't be stupid....Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I wasnt in the country then :embarassed:
;D;D
I wasn't overly comfortable with the political undertones from Sharpeton. Not really required imo.
I haven't seen the show but have had my fill from BBC world. From what they showed it looked pretty awful. Lionel Ritchie and Maria Carey? Yuck! Stevie Wonder singing to a coffin filled with plastic and bones and then Jacksons daughter being wheeled out to a public showing and all the tears.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against tributes. But that was gaudy, manipulative and lame.
Yeah, the likes of Sharpton & Jackson have sold out a lot of what they originally stood for & now just try to say what they think people want to hear & keeps their faces visible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelie
This thing of trying to put Michael Jackson in some kind of iconic political frame really pisses me off. Ignoring is private life completely, you can say he was a great musician & possibly the biggest superstar of all time. What he is not is some great political leader in the manner of Martin, Malcolm or Obama. He had a huge musical influence, but in no way was he responsible for a black man being elected into the white house.
Sorry fellas but how many black faces were really on MTV before him?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYeah, the likes of Sharpton & Jackson have sold out a lot of what they originally stood for & now just try to say what they think people want to hear & keeps their faces visible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelie
This thing of trying to put Michael Jackson in some kind of iconic political frame really pisses me off. Ignoring is private life completely, you can say he was a great musician & possibly the biggest superstar of all time. What he is not is some great political leader in the manner of Martin, Malcolm or Obama. He had a huge musical influence, but in no way was he responsible for a black man being elected into the white house.
Why do people think The Cosby Show was important socially.
It started to turn black in to mainstream. White kids liked em equally.
Even from across the pond I could see that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
She wasn't 'wheeled out', she wanted to speak and good for her for speaking up about her dad - not some star but her dad.
White kids also loved Jimi Hendrix it doesn't mean he was responsible for reducing racism. MJ was no more responsible than the scores of sports stars in the US. The Cosby Show whilst important, also had some negative impacts on the African-American community, particularly in establishing a 'good black folk' attitude amongst some. It was positive in not overly mentioning race such as The Jeffersons did, however it did not play the socially cohesive role many give it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissySorry fellas but how many black faces were really on MTV before him?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYeah, the likes of Sharpton & Jackson have sold out a lot of what they originally stood for & now just try to say what they think people want to hear & keeps their faces visible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelie
This thing of trying to put Michael Jackson in some kind of iconic political frame really pisses me off. Ignoring is private life completely, you can say he was a great musician & possibly the biggest superstar of all time. What he is not is some great political leader in the manner of Martin, Malcolm or Obama. He had a huge musical influence, but in no way was he responsible for a black man being elected into the white house.
Why do people think The Cosby Show was important socially.
It started to turn black in to mainstream. White kids liked em equally.
Even from across the pond I could see that.
'Black' becoming mainstream is a result of a number of factors of which music & MJ are only a part, & do not deserve the credit for Obama getting into the White House, because that was his own doing. Jackson deserves no more credit for that than Michael Jordan or Walter Payton
Also on MTV, whilst it had a colour barrier prior to MJ's 2nd album that was largely its own construction & heavily criticized by many before that. Yes, he along with Tina Turner, Whitney Houston & Prince did break that down, however MTV was not the huge commercially successful channel it is now, & reached far fewer homes in those days.
Yeah, That was some deal, that tribute, I had half an eye on it, it had it's moments, but it was overblown like you knew it would be. And yeah about Sharpton, you know when he is involved there is political overtones.
You think all this would have gone down if he hadn't had all the bad publicity, not to mention the grotesque appearance? Frankly, I think the only reason so many people jumped so high and made such a big splash to commemorate him in death is cause so many other people were repulsed and talked him down because of his grotesqueness and weirdness in life. A reaction to a reaction so to speak.
Yes much more terrible to show a happy, wealthy successful black family than the drug dealers, whores, thieves we know them to be:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWhite kids also loved Jimi Hendrix it doesn't mean he was responsible for reducing racism. MJ was no more responsible than the scores of sports stars in the US. The Cosby Show whilst important, also had some negative impacts on the African-American community, particularly in establishing a 'good black folk' attitude amongst some. It was positive in not overly mentioning race such as The Jeffersons did, however it did not play the socially cohesive role many give it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissySorry fellas but how many black faces were really on MTV before him?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Why do people think The Cosby Show was important socially.
It started to turn black in to mainstream. White kids liked em equally.
Even from across the pond I could see that.
'Black' becoming mainstream is a result of a number of factors of which music & MJ are only a part, & do not deserve the credit for Obama getting into the White House, because that was his own doing. Jackson deserves no more credit for that than Michael Jordan or Walter Payton
Also on MTV, whilst it had a colour barrier prior to MJ's 2nd album that was largely its own construction & heavily criticized by many before that. Yes, he along with Tina Turner, Whitney Houston & Prince did break that down, however MTV was not the huge commercially successful channel it is now, & reached far fewer homes in those days.
That in itself was a stereotype - it's ok for blacks to successful in sports. It's still seen as a way out of poverty rather than education or going to law school. It was ok for blacks to sing and dance. Essentially anything to do with entertainment.
I'm not over or underplaying his status. I'm just saying to suggest his influence was only 80's pop doesn't cover it. Things like this are more complex.
Ripples on the pond.
anyways.... here is my all time fav MJ song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hg-IRZk4D0
hope this helps ;D
Not what I said at all, & as I am half-black & live in that community that is not what I'm suggesting so don't try pull that. However, it suggested that if a black person couldn't become an upper middle-class success story, than it was their own fault. So someone born into poverty, who works hard every day as a labourer becomes labelled as 'bad black folk' rather than a working class man, & it fuelled the agendas of the likes of Bill O'Reilly that there was no racial inequality in America. I NEVER said it was bad to show that, however, it also ignored the reality for many African-Americans. Cosby has frequently criticized those in the black underclass for immorality, which is just as stupid as a white comedian always talking about 'chavs' in a bid for cheap laughs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYes much more terrible to show a happy, wealthy successful black family than the drug dealers, whores, thieves we know them to be:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWhite kids also loved Jimi Hendrix it doesn't mean he was responsible for reducing racism. MJ was no more responsible than the scores of sports stars in the US. The Cosby Show whilst important, also had some negative impacts on the African-American community, particularly in establishing a 'good black folk' attitude amongst some. It was positive in not overly mentioning race such as The Jeffersons did, however it did not play the socially cohesive role many give it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
'Black' becoming mainstream is a result of a number of factors of which music & MJ are only a part, & do not deserve the credit for Obama getting into the White House, because that was his own doing. Jackson deserves no more credit for that than Michael Jordan or Walter Payton
Also on MTV, whilst it had a colour barrier prior to MJ's 2nd album that was largely its own construction & heavily criticized by many before that. Yes, he along with Tina Turner, Whitney Houston & Prince did break that down, however MTV was not the huge commercially successful channel it is now, & reached far fewer homes in those days.
That in itself was a stereotype - it's ok for blacks to successful in sports. It's still seen as a way out of poverty rather than education or going to law school. It was ok for blacks to sing and dance. Essentially anything to do with entertainment.
I'm not over or underplaying his status. I'm just saying to suggest his influence was only 80's pop doesn't cover it. Things like this are more complex.
Ripples on the pond.
As for your 2nd paragraph, yes I'm well aware that those are 'the ways out', I've had that myself, however young people going to university & being successful in other professions for me is what got Obama to the White House. People's doctors, lawyers, accountants etc were now black, & I think this not some pop star are what softened attitudes & played a bigger part in Obama's election.
He had a great musical influence, but like you say black people were already accepted as entertainers, so for me he was no more influential than Michael Jordan, Prince or Will Smith. People became more accepting of black people as a whole because they started to encounter them more frequently & with a similar social status. It's the doctors, lawyers, office workers who made the difference not entertainers.
It wasn't a reality show, it was a comedy, that seemed to be for a long time suggesting that you can improve your situation through hard work. Which has to be a good thing? What we got counter to that was rap - which became an ugly parody of itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinNot what I said at all, & as I am half-black & live in that community that is not what I'm suggesting so don't try pull that. However, it suggested that if a black person couldn't become an upper middle-class success story, than it was their own fault. So someone born into poverty, who works hard every day as a labourer becomes labelled as 'bad black folk' rather than a working class man, & it fuelled the agendas of the likes of Bill O'Reilly that there was no racial inequality in America. I NEVER said it was bad to show that, however, it also ignored the reality for many African-Americans. Cosby has frequently criticized those in the black underclass for immorality, which is just as stupid as a white comedian always talking about 'chavs' in a bid for cheap laughs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYes much more terrible to show a happy, wealthy successful black family than the drug dealers, whores, thieves we know them to be:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
That in itself was a stereotype - it's ok for blacks to successful in sports. It's still seen as a way out of poverty rather than education or going to law school. It was ok for blacks to sing and dance. Essentially anything to do with entertainment.
I'm not over or underplaying his status. I'm just saying to suggest his influence was only 80's pop doesn't cover it. Things like this are more complex.
Ripples on the pond.
As for your 2nd paragraph, yes I'm well aware that those are 'the ways out', I've had that myself, however young people going to university & being successful in other professions for me is what got Obama to the White House. People's doctors, lawyers, accountants etc were now black, & I think this not some pop star are what softened attitudes & played a bigger part in Obama's election.
He had a great musical influence, but like you say black people were already accepted as entertainers, so for me he was no more influential than Michael Jordan, Prince or Will Smith. People became more accepting of black people as a whole because they started to encounter them more frequently & with a similar social status. It's the doctors, lawyers, office workers who made the difference not entertainers.
What's the real difference in cosby spouting off about those in the underclass and chris rock playing the whole, it's N...... that are f'ing it up for black people. Comedians here pick on everyone and everything, nothing is sacred nor should it be.
I've heard plenty of black people on US talk shows criticising fellow blacks for talking ghetto, saying it's a stereotype.
Since I didn't see all the event - who said Obama was elected because of Jackson?
Al Sharpton. One of the same people who goes at Obama for not doing 'enough' for black people, as if he should focus on only one part of his electorate :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyIt wasn't a reality show, it was a comedy, that seemed to be for a long time suggesting that you can improve your situation through hard work. Which has to be a good thing? What we got counter to that was rap - which became an ugly parody of itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinNot what I said at all, & as I am half-black & live in that community that is not what I'm suggesting so don't try pull that. However, it suggested that if a black person couldn't become an upper middle-class success story, than it was their own fault. So someone born into poverty, who works hard every day as a labourer becomes labelled as 'bad black folk' rather than a working class man, & it fuelled the agendas of the likes of Bill O'Reilly that there was no racial inequality in America. I NEVER said it was bad to show that, however, it also ignored the reality for many African-Americans. Cosby has frequently criticized those in the black underclass for immorality, which is just as stupid as a white comedian always talking about 'chavs' in a bid for cheap laughs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
As for your 2nd paragraph, yes I'm well aware that those are 'the ways out', I've had that myself, however young people going to university & being successful in other professions for me is what got Obama to the White House. People's doctors, lawyers, accountants etc were now black, & I think this not some pop star are what softened attitudes & played a bigger part in Obama's election.
He had a great musical influence, but like you say black people were already accepted as entertainers, so for me he was no more influential than Michael Jordan, Prince or Will Smith. People became more accepting of black people as a whole because they started to encounter them more frequently & with a similar social status. It's the doctors, lawyers, office workers who made the difference not entertainers.
What's the real difference in cosby spouting off about those in the underclass and chris rock playing the whole, it's N...... that are f'ing it up for black people. Comedians here pick on everyone and everything, nothing is sacred nor should it be.
I've heard plenty of black people on US talk shows criticising fellow blacks for talking ghetto, saying it's a stereotype.
Since I didn't see all the event - who said Obama was elected because of Jackson?
I know it wasn't a reality show, however, many took it as such. It's suggestion that you can improve through hard work I have no problem with. The suggestion that if you can't do that you're trash, I do have a problem with. Cosby has implied that innocent people getting shot by the police have brought in on themselves (Amadou Diallo case) by running away or having their hands in their pockets.
The point was Cosby wasn't doing this in a comedy routine, he was doing it speaking seriously to people. Chris Rock has even said he regretted the Niggers v Black People skit. However, that aimed itself at those who don't seek employment & commit crime. It did not aim at the whole working-class black community as Cosby has.
As for Rap, not all of it is counter-intuitive, much of it does suggest positivity, shockingly even some 'gangsta' rap if you listen to the lyrics. However, in recent years it has been overtaken by a glorification of criminal life & generally living a frivolous lifestyle of sex & partying. I wouldn't criticize the likes of 50 Cent & Young Jeezy for this, who I feel were reflecting on their lifestyle & occasionally offered some insight, however, the likes of Rick Ross, Cam'Ron, Flo-Rida, Soulja Boy & even Lil' Wayne to a point have bastardized hip-hop through glorifying a superficial lifestyle & a 'ghetto' & criminal upbringing often not their own.
PS sorry if you've no idea who any of those people are.
hey I'm white not dumb;D
Y'know that Al had the tone of a preacher, that always worries me in a public speaker, spitting fire from the pulpit rather than reason.
Each age has it's political music, punk,reggae,rap. It also has members who suck the brains out of it and turn it in to, smokin a joint, getting pissed, or bling n'bitches & a lot of the time that makes more money.
Listening to a US rapper talk about their tough life doesn't connect to me - it's not my world. I don't like how that attitude has been adopted by UK kids, whiggers all over the place. wtf is up with that? Just trying to be something they're not. If you've not yet heard of them check out Dan le Sac vs Scroobius Pip. That's rap I get connect with....going off topic here ;D
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