Rumors of Pac wanting Cotto at 143 Catchweight

Read this off of a website which is posted on BoxRec.. I have a few questions as well as comments on this topic.

Question: At which point, meaning which catchweight, does Pacquaio lose a bit of the glory of beating a 'bigger' man?

Comment: Pacquaio fought a De La Hoya who had to come DOWN to 147 in weight. He straight up beat the crap out of him at this weight.

Question: Why can Pacquiao fight DLH at 147 and not Cotto?

Comment: Clearly this is an attempt at strategy to weaken your opponent to make Pac's chance to win the fight significantly higher. The idea of a catchweight is so that two fighters in separate classes can meet in the middle, or at least a fair weight, not so that you can put dollar signs in front of someones face and force them to come down to a weight where they will not be their best. This has to be one of the biggest jokes of a request by a fighters team/promoter. HE JUST FOUGHT AT 147 AND KO'D SOMEONE BIGGER THAN COTTO. If i were Cotto i'd laugh at the thought of cutting weight AFTER Manny just fought at the weight. BUT of course there is this whole biggest payday of Cotto's career thing being waved in front of his face..

Does this bother anyone else? I mean, even if Pac was my favorite fighter this would seem a bit odd.. Even if Pac was my brother, i'd tell him he's a vagina and that he's good enough to fight at 147.. or 146 even. If you're going to do it, and you want the glory for it, DO IT RIGHT!

Well I don't think there's a major problem with 145, its just evening the playing field a bit since Cotto I think can make that and its not like Manny would even come in at 145, more like 142 or so.

But 143 would be BS. However, I've only heard 145 except for one source, this examiner site which isn't exactly known for boxing news. I'm sure people will take this and run with it, the same people who said Manny was ducking Hatton, but I suspect when it comes off it will be 145. If it turns out to be 143 Manny and his team deserve the criticism unless Cotto knows something we don't, I've got to think cutting to 143 would bother him.

Here's the article that states the weight Manny prefers.

Pacquiao prefers 143 lbs vs Cotto | Manila Bulletin


I say if he wants Cotto's title, then he sure as $hit should not have to fight a weight drained Cotto to get it, and he should fight at the weight that Cotto defends the title at, which is 147.

If he wants Cotto to be weight drained, then it sounds to me, like he's not so confident in getting a win any other way. :chick07mj8:

oh well if it comes off it deserves criticism but I'd like to see what happens, I still suspect it ends up at 145 and this is a bargaining ploy. We'll see though.

I don't think 145 is evening the playing field, however, I think its at least doable for Cotto. Anything under & I think Pac loses a lot of credit he would otherwise get. However, a lot of the blame would go to Cotto for accepting it if he can't do it

i'm tired of all this catchweight bullshit, Manny wants to act like he really want's to take on Cotto, calling him out after the Clottey fight, and then asking for it to be 145 and now 143, he can show it honestly, if he's not willing to take on the best at their best, well he shouldn't even bother, take on Guzman, Campbell, Bradley, Witter, Torres, Maidana, etc.

Well this kind of nullifies the point of 7th weight class right?

be it 145 or 143 those are not weight class limits.

Lately I feel as if we are watching two guys in a car lot haggle over the fine print on a financing contract.This is asinine.

If Manny wants to be-win a welterweight title against one of the better welter champions.He needs to fight him at his current and proven most effective weight.Thats pretty simplictic.....but it really is that simple.Cotto should not reduce his weight.

The point is, there is no glory.. BOTTOM LINE!!

Cotto is an excellent boxer with a tight defense and beastly power. Cotto has shown he can battle thru adversity even if being beaten up.

I say Cotto smashes him even at 145, Miguel can box superbly off the back foot and counterpunch effectively, Manny can be counterpunched we have seen JMM do it for 24 rounds

I already stated how nauseating it is about Roach and Manny pandering for Catchweights with the 147 division, if they want to fight at 147 then do it, if not then stay at 140. These guys at Welter are there and making a living at their optimum weight. Most have grown out of 140 and cant do it thats why they moved. There is no accolades or 1 shred of dignity fighting 143lb versions of Shane or Cotto

Especially after RP33 mentioned DLH at 147 was good enough and Roach said a Mayweather fight at 147 was fine too.

Pac is becoming just as bad as Floyd is... he wants a marguee fight against a big name... just not one who has an advantage over him... his fans will knock Floyd for trying to reduce the adversity he is up against whilst earning as much as he can but they don't see how similar what Pac is doing is.

De La Hoya ended up coming in at 145 or something... Why can he cope with that, but not a 145 Cotto? weight isn't the issue here... the drain of boiling down is.

If this turns out to be true then it's because he knows that because Cotto is smaller than ODLH he would find it much easier to make that weight... and therfore wouldn't be as drained.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Well this kind of nullifies the point of 7th weight class right?

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he wants 147 pounds worth of credit... just not 147 pounds worth of boxer infront of him... ;):rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Pac is becoming just as bad as Floyd is... he wants a marguee fight against a big name... just not one who has an advantage over him... his fans will knock Floyd for trying to reduce the adversity he is up against whilst earning as much as he can but they don't see how similar what Pac is doing is.

De La Hoya ended up coming in at 145 or something... Why can he cope with that, but not a 145 Cotto? weight isn't the issue here... the drain of boiling down is.

If this turns out to be true then it's because he knows that because Cotto is smaller than ODLH he would find it much easier to make that weight... and therfore wouldn't be as drained.

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Say what you want about Floyd, but he never tried draining a fighter down before.

Hatton was at 147 before and wanted a shot at the Liner Welterweight Championship and the $$$$$$$$$ a Floyd fight brought

JMM called out Floyd and wants to be the one to take that 0 off his record

Floyd fought a healthy full 154 version of Delahoya whilst giving him every advantage, gloves, ring size etc. Why cant Pac fight Mosely or Cotto under those same conditions?

They should fight at 143.7 and 3/4 on one foot with half a pair of jeans on. All this catchweight stuff is silly. They have 650 different weight classes established fight at one of those....and people cry about stuff floyd does. If this is how these guys are gonna do it now then get rid of all the belts and classes and let's just set up chairs in the street and pick the top two guys period.

What happens if pac beats cotto at a catch weight for the title? Does he then drag everyone else down to a catchweight if and when he defends it?

This is making a load of crap out of the weight divisions even more. Pacman should haul his ass off to some kind of special catchweight hang out where he could try eat shit loads of big macs and challenge an uber fit arreola to a super middleweight clash.

I'm no boxing genius by any means, but i'm sick of hearin about Pacman and what weight he fights at. You either want the fight or you don't, seems to me that he's bein a pussy and him and freddie know for sure that they can't beat cotto at 147.......... If i could set fire to this thread i would strike a cyber matchstick right now.....

The negotiation is not finalized yet. So we'll see. Imo though, it won't happen below 145. Team Cotto has been pretty vocal it. Roach is cool at 145, so it's more likely the fight will happen there.

If he wants total respect from the boxing world he should fight the real Cotto at 147 not making him come down to 143.Why not let Cotto come in at 147 and Manny can come in at what ever he wants aslong as its over 140lbs.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Well this kind of nullifies the point of 7th weight class right?

be it 145 or 143 those are not weight class limits.

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You are correct. If Pacquaio wins, his record won't be 7 weight divisions, it'll be 7 weight divisions with an asterisk. Plain and simple.

This all says something about the sanctioning body too. They are perfectly willing to bend their rules for the right amount of money.

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Originally Posted by RP33

Read this off of a website which is posted on BoxRec.. I have a few questions as well as comments on this topic.

Question: At which point, meaning which catchweight, does Pacquaio lose a bit of the glory of beating a 'bigger' man?

Comment: Pacquaio fought a De La Hoya who had to come DOWN to 147 in weight. He straight up beat the crap out of him at this weight.

Question: Why can Pacquiao fight DLH at 147 and not Cotto?

Comment: Clearly this is an attempt at strategy to weaken your opponent to make Pac's chance to win the fight significantly higher. The idea of a catchweight is so that two fighters in separate classes can meet in the middle, or at least a fair weight, not so that you can put dollar signs in front of someones face and force them to come down to a weight where they will not be their best. This has to be one of the biggest jokes of a request by a fighters team/promoter. HE JUST FOUGHT AT 147 AND KO'D SOMEONE BIGGER THAN COTTO. If i were Cotto i'd laugh at the thought of cutting weight AFTER Manny just fought at the weight. BUT of course there is this whole biggest payday of Cotto's career thing being waved in front of his face..

Does this bother anyone else? I mean, even if Pac was my favorite fighter this would seem a bit odd.. Even if Pac was my brother, i'd tell him he's a vagina and that he's good enough to fight at 147.. or 146 even. If you're going to do it, and you want the glory for it, DO IT RIGHT!

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Good point about fighting Oscar at 147 but not Cotto. I don't like the whole catchweight anyways; but if Cotto takes the fight then I will still give Pac credit if he wins; not his fault they go for the $$$. But I thought this was going to be at 145?

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Originally Posted by RP33

Read this off of a website which is posted on BoxRec.. I have a few questions as well as comments on this topic.

Question: At which point, meaning which catchweight, does Pacquaio lose a bit of the glory of beating a 'bigger' man?

Comment: Pacquaio fought a De La Hoya who had to come DOWN to 147 in weight. He straight up beat the crap out of him at this weight.

Question: Why can Pacquiao fight DLH at 147 and not Cotto?

Comment: Clearly this is an attempt at strategy to weaken your opponent to make Pac's chance to win the fight significantly higher. The idea of a catchweight is so that two fighters in separate classes can meet in the middle, or at least a fair weight, not so that you can put dollar signs in front of someones face and force them to come down to a weight where they will not be their best. This has to be one of the biggest jokes of a request by a fighters team/promoter. HE JUST FOUGHT AT 147 AND KO'D SOMEONE BIGGER THAN COTTO. If i were Cotto i'd laugh at the thought of cutting weight AFTER Manny just fought at the weight. BUT of course there is this whole biggest payday of Cotto's career thing being waved in front of his face..

Does this bother anyone else? I mean, even if Pac was my favorite fighter this would seem a bit odd.. Even if Pac was my brother, i'd tell him he's a vagina and that he's good enough to fight at 147.. or 146 even. If you're going to do it, and you want the glory for it, DO IT RIGHT!

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You make good and valid points my friend. It is clear that this is why he wanted Oscar to drop weight to his "catchweight" because it would weaken him having not fought there for such a long time and the closest he had been (150 against Forbes) he looked ordinary at best. Pac and his men even demanded that each pound Oscar was over he had to give up a large amount of his purse (can't remember how much) so he would make damned sure he was spot on.

But then again last time out he fought Hatton at 140 and demolished him and that is Hatton's comfort zone.

To be totally honest I don't think the fight with Cotto is going to happen, they both fight under Arum and are his golden egg laying geese so he won't want to see either beaten. No I think that we will keep hearing these rumours about Pac to keep him in the public eye until the Floyd-JMM fight has been and gone. I see that one going to Floyd and then I see Pac and Floyd fighting at 147 and again I only see Floyd winning that one too.

:biteit: This is probably exactly what Pacquiao is looking for from the boxing public. Head games! A bargaining chip if you will.... What you have to remember about Pacquiao is that he enjoys gambling. He's just upping the anti abit fellas. He did the same thing with Hatton that made old uncle Bob throw in another cool million into the kitty. When you push someones buttons it gets them off their game.

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Originally Posted by RP33

Read this off of a website which is posted on BoxRec.. I have a few questions as well as comments on this topic.

Question: At which point, meaning which catchweight, does Pacquaio lose a bit of the glory of beating a 'bigger' man?

Comment: Pacquaio fought a De La Hoya who had to come DOWN to 147 in weight. He straight up beat the crap out of him at this weight.

Question: Why can Pacquiao fight DLH at 147 and not Cotto?

Comment: Clearly this is an attempt at strategy to weaken your opponent to make Pac's chance to win the fight significantly higher. The idea of a catchweight is so that two fighters in separate classes can meet in the middle, or at least a fair weight, not so that you can put dollar signs in front of someones face and force them to come down to a weight where they will not be their best. This has to be one of the biggest jokes of a request by a fighters team/promoter. HE JUST FOUGHT AT 147 AND KO'D SOMEONE BIGGER THAN COTTO. If i were Cotto i'd laugh at the thought of cutting weight AFTER Manny just fought at the weight. BUT of course there is this whole biggest payday of Cotto's career thing being waved in front of his face..

Does this bother anyone else? I mean, even if Pac was my favorite fighter this would seem a bit odd.. Even if Pac was my brother, i'd tell him he's a vagina and that he's good enough to fight at 147.. or 146 even. If you're going to do it, and you want the glory for it, DO IT RIGHT!

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You make good and valid points my friend. It is clear that this is why he wanted Oscar to drop weight to his "catchweight" because it would weaken him having not fought there for such a long time and the closest he had been (150 against Forbes) he looked ordinary at best. Pac and his men even demanded that each pound Oscar was over he had to give up a large amount of his purse (can't remember how much) so he would make damned sure he was spot on.

But then again last time out he fought Hatton at 140 and demolished him and that is Hatton's comfort zone.

To be totally honest I don't think the fight with Cotto is going to happen, they both fight under Arum and are his golden egg laying geese so he won't want to see either beaten. No I think that we will keep hearing these rumours about Pac to keep him in the public eye until the Floyd-JMM fight has been and gone. I see that one going to Floyd and then I see Pac and Floyd fighting at 147 and again I only see Floyd winning that one too.

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It was $1 million per pound over.

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Originally Posted by RP33

Read this off of a website which is posted on BoxRec.. I have a few questions as well as comments on this topic.

Question: At which point, meaning which catchweight, does Pacquaio lose a bit of the glory of beating a 'bigger' man?

Comment: Pacquaio fought a De La Hoya who had to come DOWN to 147 in weight. He straight up beat the crap out of him at this weight.

Question: Why can Pacquiao fight DLH at 147 and not Cotto?

Comment: Clearly this is an attempt at strategy to weaken your opponent to make Pac's chance to win the fight significantly higher. The idea of a catchweight is so that two fighters in separate classes can meet in the middle, or at least a fair weight, not so that you can put dollar signs in front of someones face and force them to come down to a weight where they will not be their best. This has to be one of the biggest jokes of a request by a fighters team/promoter. HE JUST FOUGHT AT 147 AND KO'D SOMEONE BIGGER THAN COTTO. If i were Cotto i'd laugh at the thought of cutting weight AFTER Manny just fought at the weight. BUT of course there is this whole biggest payday of Cotto's career thing being waved in front of his face..

Does this bother anyone else? I mean, even if Pac was my favorite fighter this would seem a bit odd.. Even if Pac was my brother, i'd tell him he's a vagina and that he's good enough to fight at 147.. or 146 even. If you're going to do it, and you want the glory for it, DO IT RIGHT!

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You make good and valid points my friend. It is clear that this is why he wanted Oscar to drop weight to his "catchweight" because it would weaken him having not fought there for such a long time and the closest he had been (150 against Forbes) he looked ordinary at best. Pac and his men even demanded that each pound Oscar was over he had to give up a large amount of his purse (can't remember how much) so he would make damned sure he was spot on.

But then again last time out he fought Hatton at 140 and demolished him and that is Hatton's comfort zone.

To be totally honest I don't think the fight with Cotto is going to happen, they both fight under Arum and are his golden egg laying geese so he won't want to see either beaten. No I think that we will keep hearing these rumours about Pac to keep him in the public eye until the Floyd-JMM fight has been and gone. I see that one going to Floyd and then I see Pac and Floyd fighting at 147 and again I only see Floyd winning that one too.

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It was $1 million per pound over.

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:o LOL

I like Pac but I just can't see how anybody with half a brain can keep defending this catchweight crap he keeps trying to pull. He wants to win a welterweight title but won't fight a true welterweight. Roach has a different catchweight for each of the welterweights Cotto, PBF, Mosley, and Clottey. And the funny thing is he is willing to fight only PBF at 147. Does anybody really need to have this attempted draining tactic explained to them any simpler??? And off the point, Pac really has won a world title in 5 weight classes not 6. So 147 would be his 6th attempted title. He fought JMM for his featherweight titles but that fight was a draw so the champion remains the champion. If you want to stretch and count the Ring Magazine title, which is given on opinion and not on the line in a particular fight, then they gave Pac their belt after only one win at featherweight and that was against Barerra who wasn't even a featherweight champion.

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

:biteit: This is probably exactly what Pacquiao is looking for from the boxing public. Head games! A bargaining chip if you will.... What you have to remember about Pacquiao is that he enjoys gambling. He's just upping the anti abit fellas. He did the same thing with Hatton that made old uncle Bob throw in another cool million into the kitty. When you push someones buttons it gets them off their game.

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Funny. When Floyd does this, the same people defending Pac lose their minds & go on about how he is single-handedly killing the sport

Smoke and mirror negotiations, and a lot of people are falling for it. Most everyone was up in arms about a catch weight of 145, so now with raising the possibility of 143, it all of a sudden has some of those same people going...well that's nuts, 145 maybe but...

Exactly... it could just be a ploy to get people who want to see him fighting properly at 147 thinking that maybe 145 isn't so bad after all... :rolleyes:

he was more than happy for Oscar to fight him at 147 pounds... Oscar actually ended up weighing 145, so if he asks any 147 fighters for less than that then he is trying to drain them pure and simple... Like I keep saying it's all to do with what Roach perceives to be the other guys opportunity to boil down to the weight fatiguelessly... not simply poundage.

The bottom line is that he can fight whoever he wants... but neither pac or his fans should expect him to get 100% (I'm not saying he deserves 0% either...) credit for beating a guy who isn't at or allowed to be at 100%

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:biteit: This is probably exactly what Pacquiao is looking for from the boxing public. Head games! A bargaining chip if you will.... What you have to remember about Pacquiao is that he enjoys gambling. He's just upping the anti abit fellas. He did the same thing with Hatton that made old uncle Bob throw in another cool million into the kitty. When you push someones buttons it gets them off their game.

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Funny. When Floyd does this, the same people defending Pac lose their minds & go on about how he is single-handedly killing the sport

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True..., but with Floyd it's a little more obvious what he's doing, right? I haven't read any reactions from Freddy Roach... a couple of weeks ago I read Roach was ok with 145... now, I'm wondering if Roach & Bob on the Phone... :lolhaha:

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Originally Posted by littlebif

If he wants total respect from the boxing world he should fight the real Cotto at 147 not making him come down to 143.Why not let Cotto come in at 147 and Manny can come in at what ever he wants aslong as its over 140lbs.

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It's about the $$$ a name like Cotto would bring... not the respect of beating a Welterweight... ;) Fuck that... :p

I sure wonder if there ever has been any catchweight at hw? Maybe David Haye can tell Wlad to come down to 220 and fight him.

Pac won world titles in these divisions.. 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140. Sorry Pac, but if you wanna be called a ww champ, then you must fight at 147. 147 is 147, it's not 143, 144, or 145. It's 147! Catchweights shouldnt be non-title fight in the first place.

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Pac is becoming just as bad as Floyd is... he wants a marguee fight against a big name... just not one who has an advantage over him... his fans will knock Floyd for trying to reduce the adversity he is up against whilst earning as much as he can but they don't see how similar what Pac is doing is.

De La Hoya ended up coming in at 145 or something... Why can he cope with that, but not a 145 Cotto? weight isn't the issue here... the drain of boiling down is.

If this turns out to be true then it's because he knows that because Cotto is smaller than ODLH he would find it much easier to make that weight... and therfore wouldn't be as drained.

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Say what you want about Floyd, but he never tried draining a fighter down before.

Hatton was at 147 before and wanted a shot at the Liner Welterweight Championship and the $$$$$$$$$ a Floyd fight brought

JMM called out Floyd and wants to be the one to take that 0 off his record

Floyd fought a healthy full 154 version of Delahoya whilst giving him every advantage, gloves, ring size etc. Why cant Pac fight Mosely or Cotto under those same conditions?

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Agreed and its not like Floyd Mayweather Jr is alot smaller than Manny Pacquiao, when he was Manny Pacquiao's age in the Amateurs wasn't he a Featherweight ?

I give Manny Pacquiao credit but i don't like what im hearing recently, and Manny Pacquiao putting on alot of weight since he was 17 isn't something out of the ordinary either.

As i've said many times im 19 and when i was 16 i was pretty skinny 140, but with lifting weights and eating alot more, i actually got up to 180s. Now i've lost a little weight cutting im a perfect size at 6'1 178 pounds.

Now obviously i was pretty skinny and cause im alot bigger than Manny Pacquiao, naturally its easier for me to put on the weight but Manny Pacquiao weight wise where he is now, with all his trainers, dietitians, getting him there is pretty normal IMO.

I haven't got anything bad to say about Manny Pacquiao, all i'll say if you can't move up enough in weight to fight Welterweights. Don't fight em end of theres plenty of fights i'd love him to take between 135-140.

It's just wrong and I don't like it.

Cotto struggled like death to make 140 all those years ago and all this time later I am sure it would be just as hard to make 143. The whole thing reeks of opportunism and Manny trying to make the biggest and easiest money possible by draining the WW's and having them fight at a weight which will hinder their performances.

I keep repeating myself, but if this is the only way to make the fight then I really am not all that interested in it. Why can Manny not just allow his opponent those two kg's and allow us to see a fight in which he is truly tested against a fighter who is at his best?

I would rather he stayed at 140 and cleared up rather than keep having this charade anytime a fight is discussed with a WW. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

I don't think 145 is evening the playing field, however, I think its at least doable for Cotto. Anything under & I think Pac loses a lot of credit he would otherwise get. However, a lot of the blame would go to Cotto for accepting it if he can't do it

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By wanting a catch weight, it is clear that Manny doubts his success against Cotto at 147. But Manny clearly sees the benefit of fighting Cotto at any weight, and the benefit is another large payday. As for Cotto, I don't blame him much if he accepts to fight at 143 and then does not make it/loses and if he takes a 30-70 split. The reason is that this fight for him is like an investment. Manny is the hottest thing in boxing right now and all I hear is that Manny is going to win this one mainly because he's Manny and mainly because Cotto has been "damaged" recently. A win against Manny will silence most of the doubters that always seem to be around and also set him up for a fight against Mayweather, that is if Mayweather dares step in the ring against Cotto. Chances are, Floyd will want to step in with Manny instead of Cotto, even if Manny loses.

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Exactly... it could just be a ploy to get people who want to see him fighting properly at 147 thinking that maybe 145 isn't so bad after all... :rolleyes:

he was more than happy for Oscar to fight him at 147 pounds... Oscar actually ended up weighing 145, so if he asks any 147 fighters for less than that then he is trying to drain them pure and simple... Like I keep saying it's all to do with what Roach perceives to be the other guys opportunity to boil down to the weight fatiguelessly... not simply poundage.

The bottom line is that he can fight whoever he wants... but neither pac or his fans should expect him to get 100% (I'm not saying he deserves 0% either...) credit for beating a guy who isn't at or allowed to be at 100%

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The thing is that 145 is not so bad in the first place. Cotto has weighed in at 146 and dropping one more pound to 145 is not like dropping three more.

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Exactly... it could just be a ploy to get people who want to see him fighting properly at 147 thinking that maybe 145 isn't so bad after all... :rolleyes:

he was more than happy for Oscar to fight him at 147 pounds... Oscar actually ended up weighing 145, so if he asks any 147 fighters for less than that then he is trying to drain them pure and simple... Like I keep saying it's all to do with what Roach perceives to be the other guys opportunity to boil down to the weight fatiguelessly... not simply poundage.

The bottom line is that he can fight whoever he wants... but neither pac or his fans should expect him to get 100% (I'm not saying he deserves 0% either...) credit for beating a guy who isn't at or allowed to be at 100%

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The thing is that 145 is not so bad in the first place. Cotto has weighed in at 146 and dropping one more pound to 145 is not like dropping three more.

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In that respect, why can't Manny go up another kilo and fight Cotto at his proper weight and get all the credit if he wins?

at 144, there will be a good fight

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Pac is becoming just as bad as Floyd is... he wants a marguee fight against a big name... just not one who has an advantage over him... his fans will knock Floyd for trying to reduce the adversity he is up against whilst earning as much as he can but they don't see how similar what Pac is doing is.

De La Hoya ended up coming in at 145 or something... Why can he cope with that, but not a 145 Cotto? weight isn't the issue here... the drain of boiling down is.

If this turns out to be true then it's because he knows that because Cotto is smaller than ODLH he would find it much easier to make that weight... and therfore wouldn't be as drained.

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Say what you want about Floyd, but he never tried draining a fighter down before.

Hatton was at 147 before and wanted a shot at the Liner Welterweight Championship and the $$$$$$$$$ a Floyd fight brought

JMM called out Floyd and wants to be the one to take that 0 off his record

Floyd fought a healthy full 154 version of Delahoya whilst giving him every advantage, gloves, ring size etc. Why cant Pac fight Mosely or Cotto under those same conditions?

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Hatton was the financial draw here lets be truthful about that one. He may not have been the better fighter but PBF certainly doesn't rake in the PPVs. And, how was floyd Linear Welterweight Champ. Who he buy that from, as he certainly didn't win it, not from Baldomir, Gatti or Sharmba Mitchell thats for sure......

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Pac is becoming just as bad as Floyd is... he wants a marguee fight against a big name... just not one who has an advantage over him... his fans will knock Floyd for trying to reduce the adversity he is up against whilst earning as much as he can but they don't see how similar what Pac is doing is.

De La Hoya ended up coming in at 145 or something... Why can he cope with that, but not a 145 Cotto? weight isn't the issue here... the drain of boiling down is.

If this turns out to be true then it's because he knows that because Cotto is smaller than ODLH he would find it much easier to make that weight... and therfore wouldn't be as drained.

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Say what you want about Floyd, but he never tried draining a fighter down before.

Hatton was at 147 before and wanted a shot at the Liner Welterweight Championship and the $$$$$$$$$ a Floyd fight brought

JMM called out Floyd and wants to be the one to take that 0 off his record

Floyd fought a healthy full 154 version of Delahoya whilst giving him every advantage, gloves, ring size etc. Why cant Pac fight Mosely or Cotto under those same conditions?

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Hatton was the financial draw here lets be truthful about that one. He may not have been the better fighter but PBF certainly doesn't rake in the PPVs. And, how was floyd Linear Welterweight Champ. Who he buy that from, as he certainly didn't win it, not from Baldomir, Gatti or Sharmba Mitchell thats for sure......

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dunno about that

you take what they both did in the previous fight before that one. floyd ranked up easily a million in PPV. Hattons wasnt even a PPV event was it?

In terms of fan activeness then hatton is the most marketable fighter of the last 10-15 years. Where the financial side of things are concerned however the pulling power for that particular contest was mayweather

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Originally Posted by RP33

Read this off of a website which is posted on BoxRec.. I have a few questions as well as comments on this topic.

Question: At which point, meaning which catchweight, does Pacquaio lose a bit of the glory of beating a 'bigger' man?

Comment: Pacquaio fought a De La Hoya who had to come DOWN to 147 in weight. He straight up beat the crap out of him at this weight.

Question: Why can Pacquiao fight DLH at 147 and not Cotto?

Comment: Clearly this is an attempt at strategy to weaken your opponent to make Pac's chance to win the fight significantly higher. The idea of a catchweight is so that two fighters in separate classes can meet in the middle, or at least a fair weight, not so that you can put dollar signs in front of someones face and force them to come down to a weight where they will not be their best. This has to be one of the biggest jokes of a request by a fighters team/promoter. HE JUST FOUGHT AT 147 AND KO'D SOMEONE BIGGER THAN COTTO. If i were Cotto i'd laugh at the thought of cutting weight AFTER Manny just fought at the weight. BUT of course there is this whole biggest payday of Cotto's career thing being waved in front of his face..

Does this bother anyone else? I mean, even if Pac was my favorite fighter this would seem a bit odd.. Even if Pac was my brother, i'd tell him he's a vagina and that he's good enough to fight at 147.. or 146 even. If you're going to do it, and you want the glory for it, DO IT RIGHT!

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Who was bigger than Cotto? Oscar weighed a pound less than Pac that night.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by themacmagician

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Say what you want about Floyd, but he never tried draining a fighter down before.

Hatton was at 147 before and wanted a shot at the Liner Welterweight Championship and the $$$$$$$$$ a Floyd fight brought

JMM called out Floyd and wants to be the one to take that 0 off his record

Floyd fought a healthy full 154 version of Delahoya whilst giving him every advantage, gloves, ring size etc. Why cant Pac fight Mosely or Cotto under those same conditions?

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Hatton was the financial draw here lets be truthful about that one. He may not have been the better fighter but PBF certainly doesn't rake in the PPVs. And, how was floyd Linear Welterweight Champ. Who he buy that from, as he certainly didn't win it, not from Baldomir, Gatti or Sharmba Mitchell thats for sure......

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dunno about that

you take what they both did in the previous fight before that one. floyd ranked up easily a million in PPV. Hattons wasnt even a PPV event was it?

In terms of fan activeness then hatton is the most marketable fighter of the last 10-15 years. Where the financial side of things are concerned however the pulling power for that particular contest was mayweather

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I'll give it that combined they made the money but boxing and vegas hasn't seen a fan following the likes of Hattons for a long time and won't see it again for a long time either....