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Now that Manny Pacquiao isn’t in Shane Mosley’s immediate future, the future Hall of Famer has turned his attention to Andre Berto.
Golden Boy Promotions, Mosley’s promoter, has begun negotiations....
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Thoughts?
I think Shane would do a job on him based on what we saw in the Urango fight.
It is a shame for Shane since he is the man at Welter but it would be a good fight between him and Williams.
I think Mosley is too much for Berto; I could see Shane taking 8 rounds in a fight with Berto. Would be a great experience for Andre though; he's gotten away with some shoddy defense but Shane will make him learn to tighten it up.
As far as Williams; I'd like to see him fight anyone but him and Shane would be great. Guy is just hanging out to dry.
Definitely a great fight and Mosely should win, based off of the Collazo fight. Maybe Williams should be next.
Shane Mosley all day long in this one, I am a Berto fan as well and IMO he has a good future ahead of him but at this stage Shane is just too much for him
There both pretty even in the speed department, Shane Mosley has the power advantage. And i think its a given Shane Mosley is tougher, they've both shown good stamina in the past.
I don't think this is as clear cut as people think. Andre Berto when he uses his jab is a very effective weapon, and Shane Mosley has struggled against a good jabber in the past.
The one thing though that is a bad weakness of Andre Berto, and that is that he squares himself up too much on the inside. And despite being a great athletic fighter, he's quite easy to hit. But saying that Shane Mosley isn't no defensive master himself.
I think its a pretty close fight, Andre Berto will give Shane Mosley trouble with his jab and his speed. But i see Shane Mosley's power and experience, aswell as being the better inside fighter being the difference in the fight.
Berto's chin isn't exactly made of granite. I see Mosley having hard time keeping up with Berto's speed, but will catch him eventually in late rounds.
Mosley by KO.
Mosley-Berto? Boy-oh-boy-oh-boy.... I can't wait!! Mosley will chew Berto up and spit him out inside of 7 rounds.
;D ;)
Wouldnt be surprised if Berto pulled off an upset in this one. Shane looked great in his last fight but styles make fights and I cant see him ever being that good again .
Class wise he is leagues above Berto but at his age he wants bigger fights. He didnt get the fight he wanted and now he finds himself in this position against a hungry unbeaten fighter.
I lean towards Shane but its only 55-45 in his favour IMO
We horribly disagree on this one, Game. HBO has been pushing Berto's agenda since Day One. Never mind how terrible he's looked in recent fights. (Once HBO puts its stamp on you, you're golden.)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Mosley is light-years ahead of Berto skillwise, and would blow the doors off the Berto bandwagon for all of his disappointed fans to see. It would be downright embarassing.
I think Mosley handles him physically and even more so mentally.Berto is green in each catagory.Front heavy and forward leaning with rigged legs and from the outside he shoots one-twos and then falls in....seems to become distracted and unhinged.Mosley would sniff that out like a bloodhound.Master vs. Student KO.
I hope youre right . Shane is one of my all time favourites but he has disapointed me in the past when he has been in fights that he didnt want.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWe horribly disagree on this one, Game. HBO has been pushing Berto's agenda since Day One. Never mind how terrible he's looked in recent fights. (Once HBO puts its stamp on you, you're golden.)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Mosley is light-years ahead of Berto skillwise, and would blow the doors off the Berto bandwagon for all of his disappointed fans to see. It would be downright embarassing.
He looked poor vs Cruz, Marquez and Mayorga almost pulled off a shock. A young talent like Berto just may have the tools to pull off a shock against an old underprepared and mentally deflated Mosley.
If pumped up Mosley turns up like last time then its lights out for Andre. For some reason I just think it may be the former scenario.
Granted, Mosley would've preferred a Pacquiao fight or even a Cotto rematch... but he's got to focus on whomever they put in front of him. And yeah... boxing has a huge mental aspect, so... if Mosley goes in half-assed, things could be quite different. Geez, I hope not, 'cause I'm a huge Mosley fan myself, and would be rooting for him to embarass Berto.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI hope youre right . Shane is one of my all time favourites but he has disapointed me in the past when he has been in fights that he didnt want.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWe horribly disagree on this one, Game. HBO has been pushing Berto's agenda since Day One. Never mind how terrible he's looked in recent fights. (Once HBO puts its stamp on you, you're golden.)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Mosley is light-years ahead of Berto skillwise, and would blow the doors off the Berto bandwagon for all of his disappointed fans to see. It would be downright embarassing.
He looked poor vs Cruz, Marquez and Mayorga almost pulled off a shock. A young talent like Berto just may have the tools to pull off a shock against an old underprepared and mentally deflated Mosley.
If pumped up Mosley turns up like last time then its lights out for Andre. For some reason I just think it may be the former scenario.
I actually think that Berto in some ways is a more difficult challenge than some of the other guys at 147. With Berto you never know how he's going to fight as makes adjustments from bout to bout. He's also done well to keep himself busy & I have a feeling that he might upset Mosley with a split-decision win.
How is Mosley light years ahead of Berto skillwise? He has worse technique, doesn't throw combinations as well, his defense isn't any better, and he loads up on shots the same way. THe one big difference, possibly why Mosley will win is his durability, and Berto being to eager to throw down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWe horribly disagree on this one, Game. HBO has been pushing Berto's agenda since Day One. Never mind how terrible he's looked in recent fights. (Once HBO puts its stamp on you, you're golden.)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Mosley is light-years ahead of Berto skillwise, and would blow the doors off the Berto bandwagon for all of his disappointed fans to see. It would be downright embarassing.
I said before I saw Berto beating Mosley, and I am sticking to it, I could definitely see Shane win, but I have a feeling Berto is just too fast, throws the right type of punches, and Mosley is really predictable.
With all due respect... ARE YOU ON DRUGS?!? Mosley has worse technique than Berto? Doesn't throw combinations as well? I usually disagree with you anyway, so this doesn't surprise me. You're talking an ATG here... a future Hall of Famer. Berto is an HBO project, wet behind the ears, with an awful showing against an Urango he should have totally dominated. You're comparing apples and oranges here. To quote the hated Larry Holmes (by me, anyway)... Berto isn't fit to carry Mosley's jock.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow is Mosley light years ahead of Berto skillwise? He has worse technique, doesn't throw combinations as well, his defense isn't any better, and he loads up on shots the same way. THe one big difference, possibly why Mosley will win is his durability, and Berto being to eager to throw down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWe horribly disagree on this one, Game. HBO has been pushing Berto's agenda since Day One. Never mind how terrible he's looked in recent fights. (Once HBO puts its stamp on you, you're golden.)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Mosley is light-years ahead of Berto skillwise, and would blow the doors off the Berto bandwagon for all of his disappointed fans to see. It would be downright embarassing.
I said before I saw Berto beating Mosley, and I am sticking to it, I could definitely see Shane win, but I have a feeling Berto is just too fast, throws the right type of punches, and Mosley is really predictable.
Yeah he doesn't think that highly of Shane. I would say check his threads but its a waste of time to read a bunch of bullshit coming from someone that is as biased against mosley as pacfans are for pac. Every time Mosley comes up, he takes several shots at him then tries to cover up the disliking with a half assed prop for mosley. I.E. everything thats in red..And if you really read it carefully you'll see that basically the only chance shane has in beating berto is, if berto decides to lose by mixing it up with shane. Because shane according to him isn't that good of a fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWith all due respect... ARE YOU ON DRUGS?!? Mosley has worse technique than Berto? Doesn't throw combinations as well? I usually disagree with you anyway, so this doesn't surprise me. You're talking an ATG here... a future Hall of Famer. Berto is an HBO project, wet behind the ears, with an awful showing against an Urango he should have totally dominated. You're comparing apples and oranges here. To quote the hated Larry Holmes (by me, anyway)... Berto isn't fit to carry Mosley's jock.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow is Mosley light years ahead of Berto skillwise? He has worse technique, doesn't throw combinations as well, his defense isn't any better, and he loads up on shots the same way. THe one big difference, possibly why Mosley will win is his durability, and Berto being to eager to throw down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I said before I saw Berto beating Mosley, and I am sticking to it, I could definitely see Shane win, but I have a feeling Berto is just too fast, throws the right type of punches, and Mosley is really predictable.
kinda hard for me to pick. i like both fighters but i think berto edges a decision. Berto is fast, has good power, and can box good when he wants to. im not counting shane out but i think berto wins.
I'm a fan of both fighters, & would probably root for Berto as he could become a new star for boxing, however there is NO WAY in hell that Mosley has worse technique, the guy is a future HoFer & one of the best fighters of the decade. I would say that NOW Berto might have a slight edge in speed, but Mosley in his prime would annihalate Berto. Give the man his due, as you so constantly ask people to do for the fighters you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow is Mosley light years ahead of Berto skillwise? He has worse technique, doesn't throw combinations as well, his defense isn't any better, and he loads up on shots the same way. THe one big difference, possibly why Mosley will win is his durability, and Berto being to eager to throw down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWe horribly disagree on this one, Game. HBO has been pushing Berto's agenda since Day One. Never mind how terrible he's looked in recent fights. (Once HBO puts its stamp on you, you're golden.)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Mosley is light-years ahead of Berto skillwise, and would blow the doors off the Berto bandwagon for all of his disappointed fans to see. It would be downright embarassing.
I said before I saw Berto beating Mosley, and I am sticking to it, I could definitely see Shane win, but I have a feeling Berto is just too fast, throws the right type of punches, and Mosley is really predictable.
So Jake Lamotta, Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler were all masters of technique? Being an ATG doesn't make you tactician, and Mosley is a brawler, but he just happens to be in a very athletic body.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWith all due respect... ARE YOU ON DRUGS?!? Mosley has worse technique than Berto? Doesn't throw combinations as well? I usually disagree with you anyway, so this doesn't surprise me. You're talking an ATG here... a future Hall of Famer. Berto is an HBO project, wet behind the ears, with an awful showing against an Urango he should have totally dominated. You're comparing apples and oranges here. To quote the hated Larry Holmes (by me, anyway)... Berto isn't fit to carry Mosley's jock.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow is Mosley light years ahead of Berto skillwise? He has worse technique, doesn't throw combinations as well, his defense isn't any better, and he loads up on shots the same way. THe one big difference, possibly why Mosley will win is his durability, and Berto being to eager to throw down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I said before I saw Berto beating Mosley, and I am sticking to it, I could definitely see Shane win, but I have a feeling Berto is just too fast, throws the right type of punches, and Mosley is really predictable.
Berto is cut from the same mould, but with less durability. That being said Berto has a jab, he throws good combinations, he has the technique, but like Mosley he has the bad habit of winging shots, and both of them are way too easy to hit given their athletic gifts.
I'm not saying Berto is a better fighter than Mosley, but name the things that Mosley does technically well? I am not comparing Berto to younger Mosley who had great combinations, countered much better than he does now. Mosley now is just a guy with great athletic gifts and who loads up on hooks. He's probably the best athlete I've seen who isn't natural in the ring, and who doesn't have good timing.
As for Berto-Urango, he didn't look great, but he did dominate that fight, he won every round with relative ease.
With their two past opponents you can't really compare the two
Berto did better against David Estrada, and actually stopped him, but he way worse against Collazo, IMO COllazo was a different fighter both nights, one night he broke his hands(against Mosley) and he wasn't throwing anything with conviction which made it easy for Mosley to look good, Also that night Collazo was trying to be a pure boxer, whereas against Berto he was trying to throw a ton of punches. In the times Collazo fought like he did against MOsley(from the outside) Berto was beating him in a similar fashion, and we have no idea how Mosley would have done if Collazo had healthy hands and if Collazo would have thrown more punches, and would have worked on the inside.
Mosley is a good fighter, there is no disputing that, but being a HOF'er doesn't make you a technical wiz, and he isn't one. His jab sucks, his cross sucks, he used to throw combinations, but now he just loads up on hooks, and he's always been way too easy to hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI'm a fan of both fighters, & would probably root for Berto as he could become a new star for boxing, however there is NO WAY in hell that Mosley has worse technique, the guy is a future HoFer & one of the best fighters of the decade. I would say that NOW Berto might have a slight edge in speed, but Mosley in his prime would annihalate Berto. Give the man his due, as you so constantly ask people to do for the fighters you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow is Mosley light years ahead of Berto skillwise? He has worse technique, doesn't throw combinations as well, his defense isn't any better, and he loads up on shots the same way. THe one big difference, possibly why Mosley will win is his durability, and Berto being to eager to throw down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I said before I saw Berto beating Mosley, and I am sticking to it, I could definitely see Shane win, but I have a feeling Berto is just too fast, throws the right type of punches, and Mosley is really predictable.
At least I see Berto rolling punches, he has a good cross, a good jab, a great uppercut, he throws good combinations, and he does things like throwing 4-5 left hooks in a row. Definitely when he gets into exchanges he looks terrible technically, but Berto on the outside is technically superior to Mosley, he has more weapons on the outside.
I still think its a toss up fight, but I am going with Berto, just like many of you went with Cotto over MOsley(I thought MOsley was going to win), I just don't see Mosley being good enough on the outside.
Glad to see Mosley is finally deciding to quit waiting on the little Pac chicken. I'm not impressed with Berto at all, a fairly motivated Mosley should beat him quite handily.