18 months from now, where do you think De la Hoya-Mayweather's 2.4 million ppv sales record will stand?
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18 months from now, where do you think De la Hoya-Mayweather's 2.4 million ppv sales record will stand?
First off good thread topic, something new and novel to discuss!
I don't think it will be surpassed in 18 months, there's nothing on the horizon that can touch it.
Certainly not the UFC, they have great numbers for most big cards but nothing approaching the sales of Oscar and Floyd.
And right now there's simply no other draw to compare with Oscar. Floyd against anyone other than Oscar isn't going to get close to that.
The only possible fight that could match it is if Floyd beats Marquez and Manny beats Cotto and then Floyd and Manny fight. That would certainly be one hell of a crazy fight and would generate massive interest but I still doubt it would beat Oscar and Floyd.
And outside of that fight there is most definitely nothing else on the horizon at all.
I think so, for now at least. Unless something happens and the UFC can come up with someone to match Lesnar in star power. I'd have to believe if Fedor-Lesnar came together, that would pose a big threat but that will likely never happen. Otherwise, Pacquiao-Mayweather would have to do it and I think that would be great but I don't think it'd do it. I think Pacquiao-Cotto is going to be a BIG DEAL thouh.
I think if Mayweather and Pacman is marketed right then it has a real shot at beating it. The HBO 24/7, Pac's countrymen and Mayweather being the bad guy again will give it a helluva run with the numbers.
I think it's pretty safe for now. Even if Floyd and Manny win their next fights impressively and then fight each other, I think it will be closer to 1.5 million or so PPV buys.
The best shot the UFC has if they can protect Kimbo enough to get him through the Ultimate Fighter. If so they could match him with Brock Lesner for the UFC heavyweight title and do HUGE numbers. When Kimbo fought on CBS for Strikeforce the ratings were insane. This season of the Ultimate Fighter will be SpikeTV best I'm sure.
Everybody loves a freak show...
Never can tell these days, I think Pacquiao Vs Cotto could come close if it came off due to the extreme popularity by both fighters
I know Fedor's contract with Affliction is almost up and Dana White has now come out and said he's going to sign him to the UFC, and since the heavyweight division is by far the weakest and Brock will continue to destroy everyone put in front of him and since it's widely assumed that Fedor would likely beat him, I think that is undoubtedly the biggest fight that could be made in MMA (aside from Silva-GSP) and knowing they would promote that more heavily than anything we've ever seen I wouldn't be surprised if that broke it. I also think that in a few years a UFC ppv will be the first to reach 3 million ppv's.
For next 18 months it's safe. I say the record is safe until 2 dominant and exciting HWs break it.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Agreed.
UFC 100 was their landmark event and did a little over a million in buys from what I read yesterday. I don't see them breaking that alone for a very long time, much less 2.4 million. 10 years maybe if UFC gets as big as Dana White plans on it being; but still I wouldn't bet on it.
Only thing I could see breaking it would be Pac/Floyd; and I think it will be close but still falling short.
Maybe in 20 years if we ever get some great heavyweights on the scene again it could get challenged.
If Pac/Mayweather can't do it, than it will remain untouchable for a long time imo.
As long as Mayweather manages to win at lease a SD with JMM, Pacquiao defeats a weight drained Cotto :rolleyes: and the promoters don't fuk up the classic good guy vs bad guy, Pac / Mayweather has a chance. But I see the promoters trying to attract more International viewers by making it a Philippines vs US.
Thing is every sports news network would be giving the fight free air time toward advertising the fight because the fight has historical value. With that kind of air time they don't really need to promote the fight using the usual methods and can spend money selling the fight to other potential PPV buyers.
The Venue is another story. I would expect the fight to sell out of live-gate tickets rather quickly do to speculators. I don't think anyone can compete with MGM because they might even cover the purse just to have the fight (imagine the amount of betting) although gate sales at Thomas Mack would be another ~$2 million in gate sales. Forget about any other venue because its a home crowd for both fighters in Los Vegas unless they think they can sell a stadium?
I think it'll be safe for 18 months. Pacquiao vs. Mayweather is a top fight, but I can't see it surpassing a fight with 2 of the biggest American names of our era in.
Screw MMA.
The thing that bgets me about the PPV record is Mayweather actually thinks he was the draw, hence his reason for not fighting Mosley:rolleyes:
I don't think that this record will be surpassed any time soon. Here is why I say this:
From my personal experience of this fight, my girlfriend at the time was having friends over for it. We had an absolutely packed living room, 15-20 or so people. Compared to ANY other "big" fight, I normally watch it with 3 or 4 friends maximum. There was just a lot of hype and curiosity for this fight and the average person was intrigued for some reason.
Also, this fight was being showed at a local "casino" in the auditorium area on the big screen. Admission was charged and what not. Every bar was showing this fight, also. ANY other fight, even the big ones, are not shown at bars around here. UFC is shown at TWO bars that I know of, but the chance of boxing being showed is VERY slim.
Everyone was talking about this fight.. Everyone was curious who would win, and I don't think that any two, or even ONE fighter has the ability to attract this type of crowd any time soon.
I agree sir. To have big numbers the story has to be as big if not bigger than the fight itself. Good vs evil. Manny is the good guy and PBF as the asshole. Both can play that role very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Cotto isn't extremely popular or well-known to the mainstream US sportsfan. He can draw good ticket sales in New York, but he is not a nationwide PPV draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Pacquiao-Cotto will be lucky to reach 1 million PPV buys, let alone 2.4 million.
Doesn't mean it's not a great fight, but it's not a big PPV seller in the mold of Floyd-Oscar.
I agree 100%. In order to break that record you have to draw on the non boxing fan. Many will say Cotto who?Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPeaCotto isn't extremely popular or well-known to the mainstream US sportsfan. He can draw good ticket sales in New York, but he is not a nationwide PPV draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Pacquiao-Cotto will be lucky to reach 1 million PPV buys, let alone 2.4 million.
Doesn't mean it's not a great fight, but it's not a big PPV seller in the mold of Floyd-Oscar.
Yep it's definitely safe for 18 months. Manny Mayweather won't beat it. Hopefully it gets smashed some time in the future.
2.4 Million buys is safe...
I don't see that happening for a LOOOOONG TIME! People don't even know that division exists anymore...Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
That record should be safe for YEARS!!! Unless there's a new Oscar or Tyson coming through that ive missed?
As Sweetpea said - a fight like Cotto-Pac will be lucky to get near a million. Cotto did around 350,000 with Mosley and 450,000 with Margarito. Decent numbers but light-years from being a crossover star.
Floyd and Pac both did under 1 million with Hatton. No chance they will get near it.
Floyd and Pac should do at least 1.5 million ppvs but no where close to 2.4 mil of the Oscar-Floyd fight.
And regarding MMA, I don't see it surpassing the 2.4 number when they have only 1 or 2 UFC events that only surpass 1 mil number recently.
The best bet for boxing is going to be Heavyweights. They always bring in the "casual" fans. Your gonna need to 2 huge punchers. Before the UFC became popular I think either Tyson and/or Holyfeild were involved in every single top 10 grossing PPV of all time (until De la Hoya vs. Trinidad broke thru).
Hispanics are the largest group of PPV buying boxing fans. Maybe Arreola could become "Gatti Like" (RIP) and become a huge draw. I bet Chris vs. one of the Klitscho's would do big numbers if they built it up over the next few month.
I agree. There is nobody on the radar at the moment that could generate the kinds of numbers that DLH could.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Just out of interest, what were the numbers for the Pac-Dela Hoya fight?
To beat the record for PPV buys, you would probably need two AMERICAN'S fighting each other somewhere north of 140.