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Kahns route to his paper title
I dislike today how easy it is to become famous how people go on reality tv shows and make a fool out of themselves. How easy it is to manafacture bands,entertainers,celebrities. But now it appears we have our own reality boxing show. BOX IDLE! And its main star amir kahn!
Kahn came on to the scene with a sparkly silver medal and blew onto our screens with a first round knockout over david bailey who came up 7 and a half pounds to get destroyed in the first. Its ok though its his first fight. He was fed 12 more victims to compile an immpressive 12 wins with 9 knockouts. But hes still learning. Kahns first big show his first test willie limond natural super feather with feather fists. Kahn is down and almost out revealing his pecker chin but he beats the count.....just. Lucky for kahn limmond couldnt finish his dinner. Next scott lawton coming off his first stoppage loss against thaxton lawton good at central area level always shot down at level above. Lawton froze in the lights and kahn took him apart. Also lawton cant burst a balloon. Next graeme earl coming off his first stoppage defeat in a war with michael katsidis, a war that takes the fight out of fighters. Kahn jumps on earl then drops him flash knockdown storms in for a premature stoppage. Perfect for kahn, Perfect match making. Onwards and upwards kahns fed two more soft touches and wins the wbo inter bauble. Next a decent name Michael gomez who made his pro debut when kahn was 9 years old had lost his last 3 significant fights by stoppage and had seen his best days in 2003 at superfeather. Kahn hits him and down he goes in the first. But up he comes to drop kahn and give him a tough fight till his age and wars catch up in round five and he is stopped. (Kahn does not look ready to fight for a world title) frank warren insists.
Next chapter the revelation of kahns punch resistance. Breidis prescott. The only undefeated fighter kahn has fought to date, A career lightweight, a puncher, His first real real risk. KO'D IN 1. he was rocked by a jab and shown that his chin is china. Where from here surely he wont be winning any world titles soon!
The comeback trail. Fagan. Enough said. Then One of the best peices of smoke and mirror match making i have ever seen, A legend barrera, Kahn wins via technical decision in what should be a no contest, This fight was made to look like a huge risk but these reality tv shows have ways in making the audience think this.
And here we are Kahns world title after defeating the legend which puts him as the mandatory for marquez he moves up to fight kotelnick. And we watched kahn run for twelve rounds and bruise kotelnicks gloves i honestly think those gloves will now retire.
So there we have the brilliant trail to the top for kahn. Dont get me wrong kahn is good im not disputing that i just dissagree with manafacturing a fighter in a warriors sport. I hate x factor, I dont want to start hating boxing.
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Did it take you all day to come up with that mate??
First off most of the shit you just came out with was exactly that utter shit, im not the biggest Khan fan but he did well last night against a solid world class fighter, have to take my hat off to him.
Earl had just fought for the interim wbo world title and nearly had Katsidis out of there, he was also ranked number 1 in the country at 135, that was a good match up at the time and alot of people fancied Earl going in. So its easy to say he was washed up blah blah after Khan totally destroyed him and it was a premature stoppage?? Earl was getting destroyed.
He beat Scott Lawton in better fashion than both the guys you proclaimed he was avoiding in earlier posts Murray and Thaxton.
Sorry mate have you only just started watching boxing?? Some of the best fighters of the past generation were manufactured to fight for World Titles Dela Hoya, Vargas etc etc. Khan had the advantage of being known and being able to generate lots of money it happens, the point is though he took the chance which maybe he wouldnt have got if he was a normal 21-1 fighter, and he took it well totally outboxed and outworked Kotelnik who suffered his worst defeat of his career.
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I agree with most of your're sentiments...however I think on the back of a very dood performance such as lastnight we have to give him a little more credit..Ok...Kotelnik is'nt exactly a Great fighter,but Khan made him look very ordinary..infact even more ordinary than we already knew he was!
The fact he has been manouvered into the position is irrelevent..boxing is all about money and Amir has the fans,sponsors and the Networks backing and that is a good position to be in!
Ther lad is 22 and struggles against virtually all of the quality operators in the division for now..but if he can hang on and works hard with Freddie he will be a force within two years!!
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Yep its easy mate. All any aspiring boxing reality kid need do is enter himself for the Olympics, just pick up a runners up medal and his future is sorted. :rolleyes:
Khan DID get some benefit from being our only boxer at the 2004 Olympics, that's for certain. He was the only qualifier from out entire country and so obviously had the limelight to himself when he got the silver.
The Olmpyians this time have to fight for coverage amongst each other that is true.
But how is that Amir's fault? Did he commit some terrible sin in being the only boxer from our shores good enough to make it Athens?
As for the rest, how is beating Kotelnik for a world title any less noble than Pacquaio beating David Diaz, Hatton beating Collazo or Urango or maybe Carlos Maussa?
What about Witter winning a vacant belt against De Marcus Corely?
Cotto got his first world title beating Kelton Pinto for a vacant strap?
What do you want to do, insist that no boxer can win a world title unless they beat the linear champ at that weight class?
That would be nice but it's never ever going to happen.
When there are four (sometimes more) recognised belts in any weight class chances most of those belts arn't going to be held by hall of fame fighters, so what can you do?
Khan got knocked out in humiliating fashion less than a year ago. In just one year he has turned his career around completely, setting up camp with Freddie Roach, taking on a legend in Barrera and then seizing the first chance for a world title that came along.
Why do you hate on him?
He's wants to be the best and he's willing to put himself on the line in order to do it.
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Originally Posted by
feeney
I dislike today how easy it is to become famous how people go on reality tv shows and make a fool out of themselves. How easy it is to manafacture bands,entertainers,celebrities. But now it appears we have our own reality boxing show. BOX IDLE! And its main star amir kahn!
Kahn came on to the scene with a sparkly silver medal and blew onto our screens with a first round knockout over david bailey who came up 7 and a half pounds to get destroyed in the first. Its ok though its his first fight. He was fed 12 more victims to compile an immpressive 12 wins with 9 knockouts. But hes still learning. Kahns first big show his first test willie limond natural super feather with feather fists. Kahn is down and almost out revealing his pecker chin but he beats the count.....just. Lucky for kahn limmond couldnt finish his dinner. Next scott lawton coming off his first stoppage loss against thaxton lawton good at central area level always shot down at level above. Lawton froze in the lights and kahn took him apart. Also lawton cant burst a balloon. Next graeme earl coming off his first stoppage defeat in a war with michael katsidis, a war that takes the fight out of fighters. Kahn jumps on earl then drops him flash knockdown storms in for a premature stoppage. Perfect for kahn, Perfect match making. Onwards and upwards kahns fed two more soft touches and wins the wbo inter bauble. Next a decent name Michael gomez who made his pro debut when kahn was 9 years old had lost his last 3 significant fights by stoppage and had seen his best days in 2003 at superfeather. Kahn hits him and down he goes in the first. But up he comes to drop kahn and give him a tough fight till his age and wars catch up in round five and he is stopped. (Kahn does not look ready to fight for a world title) frank warren insists.
Next chapter the revelation of kahns punch resistance. Breidis prescott. The only undefeated fighter kahn has fought to date, A career lightweight, a puncher, His first real real risk. KO'D IN 1. he was rocked by a jab and shown that his chin is china. Where from here surely he wont be winning any world titles soon!
The comeback trail. Fagan. Enough said. Then One of the best peices of smoke and mirror match making i have ever seen, A legend barrera, Kahn wins via technical decision in what should be a no contest, This fight was made to look like a huge risk but these reality tv shows have ways in making the audience think this.
And here we are Kahns world title after defeating the legend which puts him as the mandatory for marquez he moves up to fight kotelnick. And we watched kahn run for twelve rounds and bruise kotelnicks gloves i honestly think those gloves will now retire.
So there we have the brilliant trail to the top for kahn. Dont get me wrong kahn is good im not disputing that i just dissagree with manafacturing a fighter in a warriors sport. I hate x factor, I dont want to start hating boxing.
Lol. It was a fearful beating Kotelniks gloves took last night ;D They have never been hit as hard and as often as that before!
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I dont hate kahn hes brilliant- fast, hits pretty hard, exciting to watch. Im not saying its easy to win an olympic silver medal, Im not saying boxing is easy. I didnt say kahn was the first to get the cushion career trip to a title, Did i? I mearly said i am sick of watching manifactured careers. Its all money and its becoming fake almost. Maybe i did get carried away a bit, Kotelnick is a decent fighter and kahn boxed the correct strategy against him and won. But im pointing out that kahn didnt have a hard trip to the title and didnt really deserve his shot in my eyes. Warren is a master promoter and his one mistake he made with kahn was prescott. Earl was passed it right after kahn henry castle destroyed him in one. who? Like i said warren is a master promoter.
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Originally Posted by
feeney
I dont hate kahn hes brilliant- fast, hits pretty hard, exciting to watch. Im not saying its easy to win an olympic silver medal, Im not saying boxing is easy. I didnt say kahn was the first to get the cushion career trip to a title, Did i? I mearly said i am sick of watching manifactured careers. Its all money and its becoming fake almost. Maybe i did get carried away a bit, Kotelnick is a decent fighter and kahn boxed the correct strategy against him and won. But im pointing out that kahn didnt have a hard trip to the title and didnt really deserve his shot in my eyes. Warren is a master promoter and his one mistake he made with kahn was prescott. Earl was passed it right after kahn henry castle destroyed him in one. who? Like i said warren is a master promoter.
Yeah massive mistake letting a young prospect go in with a similiar unproven young prospect who was at the same stage in his career. It was insane. Should never have been allowed to happen!
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Originally Posted by
feeney
I dont hate kahn hes brilliant- fast, hits pretty hard, exciting to watch. Im not saying its easy to win an olympic silver medal, Im not saying boxing is easy. I didnt say kahn was the first to get the cushion career trip to a title, Did i? I mearly said i am sick of watching manifactured careers. Its all money and its becoming fake almost. Maybe i did get carried away a bit, Kotelnick is a decent fighter and kahn boxed the correct strategy against him and won. But im pointing out that kahn didnt have a hard trip to the title and didnt really deserve his shot in my eyes. Warren is a master promoter and his one mistake he made with kahn was prescott. Earl was passed it right after kahn henry castle destroyed him in one. who? Like i said warren is a master promoter.
So if you were Amir Khan what would you have done differently. Ok so you would have turned down the chance to fight a legend like Barrera and you would have also passed up the opportunity to win a cheap trinket belt but what fights would you have made instead?
Do you think Khan would have had more respect if he would have turned down a gimme fight against a washed up Barrrera and instead would have fought his tough domestic rival John Thaxton, who I think was a bit unfortunate to lose at the weekend to that 8-5-3 opponent?
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I give Khan a full credit. He did everything right last night. He fought brilliantly against a defensive genius Kotelnik.
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Kahns not in charge of his career warren is. Iv already said his career minus the prescott fight reads like a dream hes beat a legend in barrera, beaten lots of ex domestic champions, Became the third youngest world champ in british boxing post war history. You know what forget this thread i love him hes fantastic!
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GAME
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Originally Posted by
feeney
I dont hate kahn hes brilliant- fast, hits pretty hard, exciting to watch. Im not saying its easy to win an olympic silver medal, Im not saying boxing is easy. I didnt say kahn was the first to get the cushion career trip to a title, Did i? I mearly said i am sick of watching manifactured careers. Its all money and its becoming fake almost. Maybe i did get carried away a bit, Kotelnick is a decent fighter and kahn boxed the correct strategy against him and won. But im pointing out that kahn didnt have a hard trip to the title and didnt really deserve his shot in my eyes. Warren is a master promoter and his one mistake he made with kahn was prescott. Earl was passed it right after kahn henry castle destroyed him in one. who? Like i said warren is a master promoter.
Yeah massive mistake letting a young prospect go in with a similiar unproven young prospect who was at the same stage in his career. It was insane. Should never have been allowed to happen!
Ok game im an up and coming undeafeted fighter iv got a weak chin would you put me in with an unknown puncher. Remind me to not let you guide my career. Warren said after he made a mistake making the match.
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feeney
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GAME
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feeney
I dont hate kahn hes brilliant- fast, hits pretty hard, exciting to watch. Im not saying its easy to win an olympic silver medal, Im not saying boxing is easy. I didnt say kahn was the first to get the cushion career trip to a title, Did i? I mearly said i am sick of watching manifactured careers. Its all money and its becoming fake almost. Maybe i did get carried away a bit, Kotelnick is a decent fighter and kahn boxed the correct strategy against him and won. But im pointing out that kahn didnt have a hard trip to the title and didnt really deserve his shot in my eyes. Warren is a master promoter and his one mistake he made with kahn was prescott. Earl was passed it right after kahn henry castle destroyed him in one. who? Like i said warren is a master promoter.
Yeah massive mistake letting a young prospect go in with a similiar unproven young prospect who was at the same stage in his career. It was insane. Should never have been allowed to happen!
Ok game im an up and coming undeafeted fighter iv got a weak chin would you put me in with an unknown puncher. Remind me to not let you guide my career. Warren said after he made a mistake making the match.
Thats my point. If matching two guys who are at the same stage in their careers is such a mistake then it says alot about Khans management.
As for the guy who says Kotelnik is a defensive genuis - Pernell Whitaker yes, - James Toney - Possibly but Andreas Kotelnik ? No way !
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feeney
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GAME
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feeney
I dont hate kahn hes brilliant- fast, hits pretty hard, exciting to watch. Im not saying its easy to win an olympic silver medal, Im not saying boxing is easy. I didnt say kahn was the first to get the cushion career trip to a title, Did i? I mearly said i am sick of watching manifactured careers. Its all money and its becoming fake almost. Maybe i did get carried away a bit, Kotelnick is a decent fighter and kahn boxed the correct strategy against him and won. But im pointing out that kahn didnt have a hard trip to the title and didnt really deserve his shot in my eyes. Warren is a master promoter and his one mistake he made with kahn was prescott. Earl was passed it right after kahn henry castle destroyed him in one. who? Like i said warren is a master promoter.
Yeah massive mistake letting a young prospect go in with a similiar unproven young prospect who was at the same stage in his career. It was insane. Should never have been allowed to happen!
Ok game im an up and coming undeafeted fighter iv got a weak chin would you put me in with an
unknown puncher. Remind me to not let you guide my career. Warren said after he made a mistake making the match.
Prescott has been played up as Tyson in terms of destructive punnching....not so it's just he fought no one over here had heard of and when he did he flattened Khan.
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Hey Missy,
What did you make of Khans relentless, brutal attack on Kotelniks gloves last night? ;D
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I liked Feeney's oringinal posting.
Khans trajectory has been obvious. Too obvious. And people have lapped it up like dogs. This was the easiest way to get a belt and they took it. They were very lucky to get a "win" over Barrera.
It's anyones bet that they keep Khan away from anyone with a pulse for at least two more fights so that they can take money from fools who are too easily parted from their PPV money.
If Khan wants to prove himself then he needs to leave Frank Warren because otherwise people are going to be fed illusions for a long, long time.
It's probably time to wheel out the rotund former greats now...starting with Morales because Hatton is still too damn young and dangerous. :rolleyes:
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So what is so different about Khan's route compared with other "world" champions?
He beat a bunch of guys, was offered a WBA shot and won it.
Kotelnik was ranked 4th best Lightwelter by The Ring and 7th best by the Saddo ratings.
That was a great win for Khan.
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Amir Khan only solidifide what we already know , hes a top class boxer , but the fact is he has a glass jaw.
Im putting money on Warren matching him with " former WBA world champ " Gavin Rees in his first defence .
After all Warren and Khan both stated they now want only big fights !! lol
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Dark Lord Al
Amir Khan only solidifide what we already know , hes a top class boxer , but the fact is he has a glass jaw.
Im putting money on Warren matching him with " former WBA world champ " Gavin Rees in his first defence .
After all Warren and Khan both stated they now want only big fights !! lol
That's higher praise than I've ever you give a British boxer before Al.
I know Calzaghe is just a slapper to you, Kell Brook is 'very poor' and doesn't punch hard enough to suceed at the higher levels, but Khan is top class!
What makes you think so highly of him?
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feeney
I dislike today how easy it is to become famous how people go on reality tv shows and make a fool out of themselves. How easy it is to manafacture bands,entertainers,celebrities. But now it appears we have our own reality boxing show. BOX IDLE! And its main star amir kahn!
Kahn came on to the scene with a sparkly silver medal and blew onto our screens with a first round knockout over david bailey who came up 7 and a half pounds to get destroyed in the first. Its ok though its his first fight. He was fed 12 more victims to compile an immpressive 12 wins with 9 knockouts. But hes still learning. Kahns first big show his first test willie limond natural super feather with feather fists. Kahn is down and almost out revealing his pecker chin but he beats the count.....just. Lucky for kahn limmond couldnt finish his dinner. Next scott lawton coming off his first stoppage loss against thaxton lawton good at central area level always shot down at level above. Lawton froze in the lights and kahn took him apart. Also lawton cant burst a balloon. Next graeme earl coming off his first stoppage defeat in a war with michael katsidis, a war that takes the fight out of fighters. Kahn jumps on earl then drops him flash knockdown storms in for a premature stoppage. Perfect for kahn, Perfect match making. Onwards and upwards kahns fed two more soft touches and wins the wbo inter bauble. Next a decent name Michael gomez who made his pro debut when kahn was 9 years old had lost his last 3 significant fights by stoppage and had seen his best days in 2003 at superfeather. Kahn hits him and down he goes in the first. But up he comes to drop kahn and give him a tough fight till his age and wars catch up in round five and he is stopped. (Kahn does not look ready to fight for a world title) frank warren insists.
Next chapter the revelation of kahns punch resistance. Breidis prescott. The only undefeated fighter kahn has fought to date, A career lightweight, a puncher, His first real real risk. KO'D IN 1. he was rocked by a jab and shown that his chin is china. Where from here surely he wont be winning any world titles soon!
The comeback trail. Fagan. Enough said. Then One of the best peices of smoke and mirror match making i have ever seen, A legend barrera, Kahn wins via technical decision in what should be a no contest, This fight was made to look like a huge risk but these reality tv shows have ways in making the audience think this.
And here we are Kahns world title after defeating the legend which puts him as the mandatory for marquez he moves up to fight kotelnick. And we watched kahn run for twelve rounds and bruise kotelnicks gloves i honestly think those gloves will now retire.
So there we have the brilliant trail to the top for kahn. Dont get me wrong kahn is good im not disputing that i just dissagree with manafacturing a fighter in a warriors sport. I hate x factor, I dont want to start hating boxing.
Welcome to Saddo's Feeney... Not many of us here watch the X Factor ;D
The only thing i can say is that here at Saddoboxing, we like to keep things in perspective. So although most of us here respect Khans talents fully. Im sure we all know that he's one good punch away from defeat ;)
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GAME
Hey Missy,
What did you make of Khans relentless, brutal attack on Kotelniks gloves last night? ;D
Savage. Like the Gatti/Ward trilogy all in one night. :o
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Bilbo
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Dark Lord Al
Amir Khan only solidifide what we already know , hes a top class boxer , but the fact is he has a glass jaw.
Im putting money on Warren matching him with " former WBA world champ " Gavin Rees in his first defence .
After all Warren and Khan both stated they now want only big fights !! lol
That's higher praise than I've ever you give a British boxer before Al.
I know Calzaghe is just a slapper to you, Kell Brook is 'very poor' and doesn't punch hard enough to suceed at the higher levels, but Khan is top class!
What makes you think so highly of him?
Khans a nice enough lad , and he has talent . Khan lives not a million miles from me and does plenty for his community , but he comes unstuck big time when he meets a world class puncher.
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Howlin Mad Missy
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GAME
Hey Missy,
What did you make of Khans relentless, brutal attack on Kotelniks gloves last night? ;D
Savage. Like the Gatti/Ward trilogy all in one night. :o
I got the sense I was witnessing something great in the making - The birth of a superstar. The same feeling as
Tyson vs Berbick
&
Lewis vs Rudduck
The assult Khan dished out to Kotelniks gloves was brutal. I doubt they will ever be the same again .
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The path Frank Warren laid for Amir Khan to walk to fame, stardom and a world title is dissapointing and genius at the same time.
But one thing is for sure, you can only sneak your way so far in boxing, we boxing fans aint blind morons. At some point in time your guna have to start facing real top class quality to reach the heights Khan wants to reach.
This started Saturday night. For all the questions you could lay claim at Khan Kotelnik was a legitimate world champion. A weak one but still good enough to be one.
Step 1, you cant question the level of Kotelnik, hes not blown up Featherweight, hes no shot fighter. Not a ring legend but clearly of a high standard.
So hes took that 1st step, real step against a real champ. He CANT take a step back now or all the hard work would be damaged. He has to take the next step.
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If getting famous and being sucessful is so damn easy why are so many people sitting behind a computer bitchin about them instead of going out and get rich and famous themselves. Look people hate khan for the same reason as the rest. Cause he winning. If he was some 2-6 fighter who has no chance of a future then no one would pay him any mind. So if he were not winning then what reason would we have to hate him. Paper title or not there are tons of fighters who never make it to the positon this kid has in thier whole career....heck any career. Some have a hard enough time even being the best cashier at wal mart yet they are quick to bash these guys who they only know because they are good in the first place....what should khan do say "no no guys i don't want the money, women, belts, name and pic in magazines " etc.....a bunch of people online dont think i deserve it. Right now prescott is the only one who can really dog the guy, instead of lip service he laced up and whoooped him, other than that thus far he's won, so even if you feel he only deserves a little bit of credit for it at least give the guy that. All that being said i don't see the guy as all that great but i do belive he can get better. Will he i don't know.
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when this guy used to hold the same title as you, it's gotta say something...
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f7...2505_bkolb.jpg
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:;D
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What does it say about this guy then? ;)
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ilfred-111.jpg
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Fenster
that times have changed, and that the title that used to mean something means jack shit now, trying to have up to 4 champs in one division, oh yea and are you seriously trying to compare a Khan win over Kotelnik or Maussa win over Harris to a 17 yr old Benitez win over "Kid Pambele" Cervantes? :-X:-X:-X
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So what is so different about Khan's route compared with other "world" champions?
He beat a bunch of guys, was offered a WBA shot and won it.
Kotelnik was ranked 4th best Lightwelter by The Ring and 7th best by the Saddo ratings.
That was a great win for Khan.
Con beat a non-puncher paper champion who had no buisness being champion in the first place. Maidana should of got the win against Kotelnik. And that's as you love to say a fact
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I'm a bit with VD here, non puncher with a title that don't mean anything.
Still, Khan won clearly and I give him credit for his improvements and his win. Which is a first for me.
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Kel
I'm a bit with VD here, non puncher with a title that don't mean anything.
Still, Khan won clearly and I give him credit for his improvements and his win. Which is a first for me.
same here, i give Khan full credit for the win, IMO it just wasn't that big of a win
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Kel
I'm a bit with VD here, non puncher with a title that don't mean anything.
Still, Khan won clearly and I give him credit for his improvements and his win. Which is a first for me.
Even if the title means nothing Kotelnik was ranked the 4th BEST lightwelter in the world by The Ring and 7th BEST by the Saddo ratings.
So Khan's win puts him amongst the top 10 lightwelters in the world. Therefore a great win for Khan.
It wouldn't have been a great win for Pac. Or Hatton. But it is a great win for Khan. ;)
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Kahn has won a version of a world title. Well done. His route to the title is what i question the most. I dont think he deserved it so soon after getting toasted by prescott, I dont think his wins over fagan and barrera were imppressive at all! Dont get me wrong hes only 22 and has done well to win a world title many people could only dream of this. Now kahns next move will be his most important for his image, He is now a world champion he doesnt have the right to refuse any challenges now.
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Kel
I'm a bit with VD here, non puncher with a title that don't mean anything.
Still, Khan won clearly and I give him credit for his improvements and his win. Which is a first for me.
Even if the title means nothing Kotelnik was ranked the 4th BEST lightwelter in the world by The Ring and 7th BEST by the Saddo ratings.
So Khan's win puts him amongst the top 10 lightwelters in the world. Therefore a great win for Khan.
It wouldn't have been a great win for Pac. Or Hatton. But it is a great win for Khan. ;)
Kotelnik was no worse an opponent than Maussa, Urango or Lazcano though so I reckon even Ricky would have pleased with it.
Only Tyszu and Malignaggi are bigger wins on Hattons record.
I don't count Collazo because I feel Hatton clearly lost that fight.
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Fenster
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Kel
I'm a bit with VD here, non puncher with a title that don't mean anything.
Still, Khan won clearly and I give him credit for his improvements and his win. Which is a first for me.
Even if the title means nothing Kotelnik was ranked the 4th BEST lightwelter in the world by The Ring and 7th BEST by the Saddo ratings.
So Khan's win puts him amongst the top 10 lightwelters in the world. Therefore a great win for Khan.
It wouldn't have been a great win for Pac. Or Hatton. But it is a great win for Khan. ;)
Well you can't really rank a guy out of the top 10 if he has a world title.
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I'm a bit with VD here, non puncher with a title that don't mean anything.
Still, Khan won clearly and I give him credit for his improvements and his win. Which is a first for me.
Even if the title means nothing Kotelnik was ranked the 4th BEST lightwelter in the world by The Ring and 7th BEST by the Saddo ratings.
So Khan's win puts him amongst the top 10 lightwelters in the world. Therefore a great win for Khan.
It wouldn't have been a great win for Pac. Or Hatton. But it is a great win for Khan. ;)
Kotelnik was no worse an opponent than Maussa, Urango or Lazcano though so I reckon even Ricky would have pleased with it.
Only Tyszu and Malignaggi are bigger wins on Hattons record.
I don't count Collazo because I feel Hatton clearly lost that fight.
This is no doubt a good win for Khan, he should fight Maidana now, who just beat Kotelnik everywhere except on the scorecards and then went on to show Victor Ortiz his limits. It would be a fan friendly fight that could only become more competitive as the fight goes on.
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So what is so different about Khan's route compared with other "world" champions?
He beat a bunch of guys, was offered a WBA shot and won it.
Kotelnik was ranked 4th best Lightwelter by The Ring and 7th best by the Saddo ratings.
That was a great win for Khan.
Con beat a non-puncher paper champion who had no buisness being champion in the first place. Maidana should of got the win against Kotelnik. And that's as you love to say a fact
No that's your opinion. But i'll address some points...
1. Pointing out Kotelnik is a "non-puncher" is totally irrelevant. Has there never been non-punching "world" champions? There is currently a P4P rated non-puncher - Ivan Calderon. So you see, the ability to punch very hard doesn't stop fighters from becoming "world" champion.
2. In your opinion Kotelnik lost to Maidina so shouldn't have been "world" champion? Fine. But if we take that route then Marquez is a phony champion at 135. The WHOLE world saw Santa Cruz get disgracefully robbed against Casamayor. So in reality the true MAN at 135, on a line through Santa Cruz, is Valero. Using your logic the entire history of boxing would need to be rewritten. ;)
Now back to the original question - what is so different about Khan's route to a paper/alphabet title compared with the OTHER paper/alphabet champs? The answer is NOTHING!!!
There are currently 80 "world" champions (74 different fighters) in 17 divisions according to the WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF.
Clearly this is utterly ridiculous.
There can be only ONE world champion per division. SO.. All alphabet holders, apart from the FEW that are linear champion, are unworthy of being called WORLD champion. Therefore Khan's route to winning the title, and his now status as champion, is no more phony than any other current beltholder. Or just as phony. And that is a FACT.
Fact. ;)
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So what is so different about Khan's route compared with other "world" champions?
He beat a bunch of guys, was offered a WBA shot and won it.
Kotelnik was ranked 4th best Lightwelter by The Ring and 7th best by the Saddo ratings.
That was a great win for Khan.
Con beat a non-puncher paper champion who had no buisness being champion in the first place. Maidana should of got the win against Kotelnik. And that's as you love to say a fact
No that's your opinion. But i'll address some points...
1. Pointing out Kotelnik is a "non-puncher" is totally irrelevant. Has there never been non-punching "world" champions? There is currently a P4P rated non-puncher - Ivan Calderon. So you see, the ability to punch very hard doesn't stop fighters from becoming "world" champion.
2. In your opinion Kotelnik lost to Maidina so shouldn't have been "world" champion? Fine. But if we take that route then Marquez is a phony champion at 135. The WHOLE world saw Santa Cruz get disgracefully robbed against Casamayor. So in reality the true MAN at 135, on a line through Santa Cruz, is Valero. Using your logic the entire history of boxing would need to be rewritten. ;)
Now back to the original question - what is so different about Khan's route to a paper/alphabet title compared with the OTHER paper/alphabet champs? The answer is NOTHING!!!
There are currently 80 "world" champions (74 different fighters) in 17 divisions according to the WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF.
Clearly this is utterly ridiculous.
There can be only ONE world champion per division. SO.. All alphabet holders, apart from the FEW that are linear champion, are unworthy of being called WORLD champion. Therefore Khan's route to winning the title, and his now status as champion, is no more phony than any other current beltholder. Or just as phony. And that is a FACT.
Fact. ;)
Oh it's totally relevant. Con is suppose to be some new changed fighter under Roach. Con winning a "world title" is suppose to be the proof. LOL. Yeah ok. It's all just make up. Con problem ain't his style of fighting. It's his chin. Or lack of one. That problem hasn't been address. Because it can't be fixed. Con's chin is to weak. And everybody knows it. And that's why Con's route to the title is more phony than others. It was manufactered. Con was already moving up the rankings. Thank you Mr. Warren. A title shot was around the corner. Question is against who? The true champion at the weight is now his stablemate. So he can't fight Pacquiao. The WBO and WBC (at the time) champion Tim Bradley is to busy and would bully Con all night. IBF champ Juan Urango is slow as fukk. But his power is real. That fight is not even a consideration. That leaves WBA champ Kotelnik. A decent fighter who can't punch. Perfect. Problem is Kotelnik already has a fight set up against the murder punching Maidana. The last thing they want is Con facing Maidana. What to do? Slide some money into the judges pockets and make sure Maidana does not get the win he deserves against Kotelink. That way Con-Kotelink gets made and Con gets his title.
Come on now home boy. Shiit is clear as day. Con's road to the title was manufactured by his daddy Warren
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Con beat a non-puncher paper champion who had no buisness being champion in the first place. Maidana should of got the win against Kotelnik. And that's as you love to say a fact
No that's your opinion. But i'll address some points...
1. Pointing out Kotelnik is a "non-puncher" is totally irrelevant. Has there never been non-punching "world" champions? There is currently a P4P rated non-puncher - Ivan Calderon. So you see, the ability to punch very hard doesn't stop fighters from becoming "world" champion.
2. In your opinion Kotelnik lost to Maidina so shouldn't have been "world" champion? Fine. But if we take that route then Marquez is a phony champion at 135. The WHOLE world saw Santa Cruz get disgracefully robbed against Casamayor. So in reality the true MAN at 135, on a line through Santa Cruz, is Valero. Using your logic the entire history of boxing would need to be rewritten. ;)
Now back to the original question - what is so different about Khan's route to a paper/alphabet title compared with the OTHER paper/alphabet champs? The answer is NOTHING!!!
There are currently 80 "world" champions (74 different fighters) in 17 divisions according to the WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF.
Clearly this is utterly ridiculous.
There can be only ONE world champion per division. SO.. All alphabet holders, apart from the FEW that are linear champion, are unworthy of being called WORLD champion. Therefore Khan's route to winning the title, and his now status as champion, is no more phony than any other current beltholder. Or just as phony. And that is a FACT.
Fact. ;)
Oh it's totally relevant. Con is suppose to be some new changed fighter under Roach. Con winning a "world title" is suppose to be the proof. LOL. Yeah ok. It's all just make up. Con problem ain't his style of fighting. It's his chin. Or lack of one. That problem hasn't been address. Because it can't be fixed. Con's chin is to weak. And everybody knows it. And that's why Con's route to the title is more phony than others. It was manufactered. Con was already moving up the rankings. Thank you Mr. Warren. A title shot was around the corner. Question is against who? The true champion at the weight is now his stablemate. So he can't fight Pacquiao. The WBO and WBC (at the time) champion Tim Bradley is to busy and would bully Con all night. IBF champ Juan Urango is slow as fukk. But his power is real. That fight is not even a consideration. That leaves WBA champ Kotelnik. A decent fighter who can't punch. Perfect. Problem is Kotelnik already has a fight set up against the murder punching Maidana. The last thing they want is Con facing Maidana. What to do? Slide some money into the judges pockets and make sure Maidana does not get the win he deserves against Kotelink. That way Con-Kotelink gets made and Con gets his title.
Come on now home boy. Shiit is clear as day. Con's road to the title was manufactured by his daddy Warren
So FW paid the judges to rob Maidina against Kotelnik? Fucks sake ;D
You've missed my point with the rest of your post ;)
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No that's your opinion. But i'll address some points...
1. Pointing out Kotelnik is a "non-puncher" is totally irrelevant. Has there never been non-punching "world" champions? There is currently a P4P rated non-puncher - Ivan Calderon. So you see, the ability to punch very hard doesn't stop fighters from becoming "world" champion.
2. In your opinion Kotelnik lost to Maidina so shouldn't have been "world" champion? Fine. But if we take that route then Marquez is a phony champion at 135. The WHOLE world saw Santa Cruz get disgracefully robbed against Casamayor. So in reality the true MAN at 135, on a line through Santa Cruz, is Valero. Using your logic the entire history of boxing would need to be rewritten. ;)
Now back to the original question - what is so different about Khan's route to a paper/alphabet title compared with the OTHER paper/alphabet champs? The answer is NOTHING!!!
There are currently 80 "world" champions (74 different fighters) in 17 divisions according to the WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF.
Clearly this is utterly ridiculous.
There can be only ONE world champion per division. SO.. All alphabet holders, apart from the FEW that are linear champion, are unworthy of being called WORLD champion. Therefore Khan's route to winning the title, and his now status as champion, is no more phony than any other current beltholder. Or just as phony. And that is a FACT.
Fact. ;)
Oh it's totally relevant. Con is suppose to be some new changed fighter under Roach. Con winning a "world title" is suppose to be the proof. LOL. Yeah ok. It's all just make up. Con problem ain't his style of fighting. It's his chin. Or lack of one. That problem hasn't been address. Because it can't be fixed. Con's chin is to weak. And everybody knows it. And that's why Con's route to the title is more phony than others. It was manufactered. Con was already moving up the rankings. Thank you Mr. Warren. A title shot was around the corner. Question is against who? The true champion at the weight is now his stablemate. So he can't fight Pacquiao. The WBO and WBC (at the time) champion Tim Bradley is to busy and would bully Con all night. IBF champ Juan Urango is slow as fukk. But his power is real. That fight is not even a consideration. That leaves WBA champ Kotelnik. A decent fighter who can't punch. Perfect. Problem is Kotelnik already has a fight set up against the murder punching Maidana. The last thing they want is Con facing Maidana. What to do? Slide some money into the judges pockets and make sure Maidana does not get the win he deserves against Kotelink. That way Con-Kotelink gets made and Con gets his title.
Come on now home boy. Shiit is clear as day. Con's road to the title was manufactured by his daddy Warren
So FW paid the judges to rob Maidina against Kotelnik? Fucks sake ;D
You've missed my point with the rest of your post ;)
That's cuz your point don't matter. What you don't think Warren is capable of paying off judges?
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Oh it's totally relevant. Con is suppose to be some new changed fighter under Roach. Con winning a "world title" is suppose to be the proof. LOL. Yeah ok. It's all just make up. Con problem ain't his style of fighting. It's his chin. Or lack of one. That problem hasn't been address. Because it can't be fixed. Con's chin is to weak. And everybody knows it. And that's why Con's route to the title is more phony than others. It was manufactered. Con was already moving up the rankings. Thank you Mr. Warren. A title shot was around the corner. Question is against who? The true champion at the weight is now his stablemate. So he can't fight Pacquiao. The WBO and WBC (at the time) champion Tim Bradley is to busy and would bully Con all night. IBF champ Juan Urango is slow as fukk. But his power is real. That fight is not even a consideration. That leaves WBA champ Kotelnik. A decent fighter who can't punch. Perfect. Problem is Kotelnik already has a fight set up against the murder punching Maidana. The last thing they want is Con facing Maidana. What to do? Slide some money into the judges pockets and make sure Maidana does not get the win he deserves against Kotelink. That way Con-Kotelink gets made and Con gets his title.
Come on now home boy. Shiit is clear as day. Con's road to the title was manufactured by his daddy Warren
So FW paid the judges to rob Maidina against Kotelnik? Fucks sake ;D
You've missed my point with the rest of your post ;)
That's cuz your point don't matter. What you don't think Warren is capable of paying off judges?
He is, but I really doubt he does it in a fight that doesn't involve him before Khan has even fought Barrera. I mean if Khan's chin was as bad as you say he was focused on that fight right? I'm curious VD, what would Khan have to do to get some credit from you? If he fights & beats Maidana will you give it to him?
