As good and complete as Manny Pac's victory was against Hatton, could he beat the Hatton the night he beat Tszyu. Hatton was a man possessed and walked through the right hands of Kostya, which we know are very damaging. What do you think?
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As good and complete as Manny Pac's victory was against Hatton, could he beat the Hatton the night he beat Tszyu. Hatton was a man possessed and walked through the right hands of Kostya, which we know are very damaging. What do you think?
Yes, he absolutely could.
Although Pac would have to work hard if the Hatton-Tszyu ref worked the fight, since he let Hatton get away with constant holding/wrestling/mugging.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Pac would have never let himself get stuck on the ropes like KT did so often; he didn't let him hold him in their fight and the few times Ricky tried he threw him off. Same outcome with the Pac now vs. the Ricky then; maybe 2 more rounds if you think his chin was so much better then.
The chin was much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
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Originally Posted by MasterThe chin was much better.Quote:
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Ok; I can concede that. So he gets pummeled in 5 instead;D
I hated to see that against Pac. I wanted Rick to win but man he underestimated that kid, and when he realized he was in deep he didn't know what to do; too confused to start pulling off all those new tricks Sr. had him practicing, so went back to doing what he knew best and got blasted. Shame really; he could have put on a better performance had he at least held his hands up and moved his head;D
I think Hatton KOs him.. being that Pacman was a whisping 118lbs or so back then!
No really. I think Pac today decisions Hatton of 'yor. His guard was still low, his physique a little better, punches a little crisper, and he was hell of tough. Pac would just have a harder time finishing him off.
And, yes. The ref would have a lot to do with it, SweetPea! haha. I mean it was bad officiating, but really, you didn't hear any complaints from Tszyu after the fight.. I think they both got away with a lot, Hatton a touch more.
Yes. They're just much different fighters, KT's biggest issue with Hatton was not being "past his prime" but that he had slow feet and needed range to punch.
Yes, it might take him a bit longer, maybe even go to the cards, but Manny would dominate him. He's a great fighter. Hatton, even at that point, was just a good fighter.
Without question...The version of Pacquiao today beats any version of Hatton
Southpaw,Speed,Power,Movement.
Hatton gets beat no matter what stage of his career he was at, Manny just to good for Hatton maybe take a little longer but not much imo Manny within 6 rounds.
Pac beats Hatton at any time in his career, now Pac V Tszyu is a different story!
No. Never. Nobody beats Hatton that night. Not with the ref in his pocket like he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNo. Never. Nobody beats Hatton that night. Not with the ref in his pocket like he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Anne Wolfe may have beat him; she's pretty tough and wouldn't have felt that crushing, reproductive organ destroying low blow.
Anne Wolfe don't count. That's a straight monster right there. If she wanted she would fukk Ricky in the ass and make his brother film itQuote:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNo. Never. Nobody beats Hatton that night. Not with the ref in his pocket like he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Anne Wolfe may have beat him; she's pretty tough and wouldn't have felt that crushing, reproductive organ destroying low blow.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnne Wolfe don't count. That's a straight monster right there. If she wanted she would fukk Ricky in the ass and make his brother film itQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Anne Wolfe may have beat him; she's pretty tough and wouldn't have felt that crushing, reproductive organ destroying low blow.
Good point. She may have felt the low blow from hell worse then KT did:p
I think Hatton would have held up a bit more though see a similiar result down the stretch.To much hand and foot speed.I think Hatton walks into a ceiling fan.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
More like industrial fan;D
Their fight looked like a mugging; I almost called COPS Vegas.
Fukkin' Danny G made a new video. This sh#t made me go to tears;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGOMv3C8SQ
I LMAO when he showed it to me, and I knew you would love it, since you actually have a sense of humor. ;) ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
:spit:;D.....alright.That was funny stuff
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Originally Posted by DianeI LMAO when he showed it to me, and I knew you would love it, since you actually have a sense of humor. ;) ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Yes one of my few qualities, but a good one to have, especially when around rampant tendencies of CryBaby Syndrome.
I think that Hatton is really overrated.
But now that a lot of peopl see that maybe he is a bit under rated. :confused:
Hatton was in the prime of his prime that night with Tszyu. Home territory, forught his game. ailing champ, made him quit on what was an equal card.
I think the Ricky of that night would have given the 130 Manny, who weighed that much at the time Hattom beat Tsyzu, a big beating........
Times change. Manny has evolved. Hatton hasn't.
Then, with Hatton fighting a Pacman who was moving up, less experienced, less skill, hometown...yeah, hatton would have won in less than 12.
Different story as times change though
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"I've retired more men then social security" :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I can't believe that I didn't catch this, Saddo pointed it out to me, but what makes it a little bit funnier, is that Manny is playing a Union Jack guitar. ;D
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Originally Posted by Diane
Surprising; that was the 1st thing I noticed;D I wonder what he was really singing? And I wonder if he got that guitar in the UK?
he wasn't speaking tagalog when he was playing guitar, i couldnt understand him either. I think they were speaking bisaya a different island language.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Diane
Surprising; that was the 1st thing I noticed;D I wonder what he was really singing? And I wonder if he got that guitar in the UK?
the first part of the vid, during that meal they were having they spoke tagalog. that i can understand.
Absolutely love the vid, hilarious! Had it been shorter, would have been MORE. It lingered a bit, IMHO. DL'ed as AVI/MP4 right away for future LODs (laughs on demand), hope its OK.
Overall, great effort in creativity, congratulations! Rains is right, the singing part is in Cebuano, I'm guessing, familiarity was of no use, barely decipherable without a full command of that regional dialect.
Yes. Hatton got through Tszyu's shots because he doesn't throw combinations anywhere near as quickly as Pacquiao
Yes he could
if it was in a british ring with a british ref and hatton was allowed to fight his fight im pretty sure a prime ricky would of beaten a prime mosley/pacquiao/mayweather etc
But once you get to america you find yourself having to stand and trade as any other form of combat is deemed illegal. Pac would of eaten hattons forward lunges all night long and would take out ricky 7 days a week, 365 days a year!!
No question in my mind - If he could eat Tszyus right hand all night long, he'd of taken Mannys shots equally well imo.
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Originally Posted by Steelie
kostya got roughed up that night big time and despite a few spells between rounds 3 and 5 couldnt get his shots off because hatton persistently cut the distance from both fighters off.
As ive already said if it was a similar scenario hatton would own manny and probably end up stopping him. But if its a clean US style boxing contest mannys speed would win out all the time
Dream on at your own peril!
The "IF" scenarios that every envious boxing fan can paint Pacquiao as the loser is endless.
Deal with reality, and drop those "IF" scenarios, then you'd find it more constructive to put a halt in dwelling in the past.
You would have learned to contain your "hate" to a less than a destructive level, to then allow moving onward. Instead of being stuck from emotional debacles dealt in the past, this choice is not so difficult at all.
Alarming exodus of haters, whenever....!
It's kind of funny that only the British believe in this.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I think we should start a new thread on "what if Ricky Hatton fought in Great Britain with British refs and British judges and with the form that he was in the Kostya fight would he beat Manny, FLoyd, and Mosley?"
I think that would be a great thread.
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Originally Posted by KananKrus
Charge forth Grasshopper!!!!!!!!! :woot22:
simple as this Hatton at his best a very good fighter , PAC at his best is a great fighter , PAC wins everytime.