Carl Froch - Andre Dirrell

So my man Carl Froch is back in action against Andre Dirrell in the 168 tournament. I think the tournament is a really good idea as its going to sort out who really is the man at 168. The fact the weight class is very deep shows that this tournament could go anyway and im very excited to watch it.

Carls first match up is against Dirrell, a very talented fighter and I am looking forward to see what hes got to bring to the table. Hes got power, speed and good handspeed which is a good asset to bring against Carl Froch. We have seen in the early JT fight that he struggled with hand speed. Dirrell I think will be very up for the fight as its his first crack at the title and a real chance for him to shine into a US star.

The thing im worried about for him is that the pressure is on right from the start. Hes going to Nottingham to fight Carl whos at the stage of his career now that if he loses then hes not going to get another chance. Carl knows for a fact that if he wins this fight by knockout hes going into the Kessler fight more than likely leading the tournament and I actually think the Kessler-Froch fight is the biggest match up in the tournament. Carl knows that if he doesnt get by Dirrel then the fight with Kessler will really be difficult because im backing Kessler to take Ward on points.

Carl in his last two fights has came from a losing strategy to a winning strategy to shine in the later rounds. He uses a pressure type boxing style which is unusual at 168, but its been working well at the world level. I think Dirrel in terms of skill wont be much more than JT, hes hungry no doubt but hes never came up against anybody as good or as powerful as Carl Froch and I really think Carls going to stop him late in the fight. I think the crowd and Carl really coming on in the later rounds with a lack of world level experience for Dirrel will be too much for the prospect. I think if he can keep his nerves early he may get some rounds, but Carls experience against JT would have done a lot for him IMO and I think he can work that into a lot of fights at 168 and win.

I think Dirrell is in too deep with Carl at this stage of his career because Carl knows that a win against Dirrell will set him up great for a Kessler showdown, which has been one of the most talked about fights at 168 since Carl became champion. I think Carl will stop him late in another great fight and Dirrell wont shame himself but will have to pick himself back up in the next round. Hes a good prospect, but Carls going to take this one ;)

I agree I think Dirrell is in to deep to soon, hes talanted but talent alone doesnt get you to where you want to be.

Froch from what I have seen has been very under rated against Dirrell and like you say Tam hes going into Frochs backyard, im going Froch to catch up and knock him out in the 10th.

No nothing of Dirrell but he sounds very confident and says Froch is the easiest of the fighters in the tournament. Hope he is wrong.

Dirrell is not in over his head. He's only facing Carl Fraud. If he was facing Kessler or maybe Taylor than yeah he would be. But he's not. Plus he's 26 years old. It's time for him to make his move. Dirrell speed and reflexes are off the charts. And he hasn't shown any stamina problems. So unless he gets DQ'ed or just straight robbed I see no reason he doesn't move to 19-0.

wow...


this is like a free win for dirrell




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Froch is far from a top tier boxer....I pick dirrell by KO....

It's a fight that I think could go either way. I will be hoping Froch can pull it off, but he does too many tihngs wrong and I can see it catching up sooner rather than later. Hopefully not against Dirrell though.

Dirrell is facing Froch first and Ward is facing Kessler first I personally hope both Dirrell and Ward win.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Dirrell is facing Froch first and Ward is facing Kessler first I personally hope both Dirrell and Ward win.

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Me too.

I expect Direll to win a decision but Froch winning wouldn't surprise me.

Direll's chin hasn't really been tested yet so that could be a factor.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Dirrell is not in over his head. He's only facing Carl Fraud. If he was facing Kessler or maybe Taylor than yeah he would be. But he's not. Plus he's 26 years old. It's time for him to make his move. Dirrell speed and reflexes are off the charts. And he hasn't shown any stamina problems. So unless he gets DQ'ed or just straight robbed I see no reason he doesn't move to 19-0.

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I agree with you VD, Carl Froch is a fraud seeing as he just beat the current WBC 175 Champion and he just KTFO Jermain Taylor the former 160 king, I am in full agreement that he is a fruad :rolleyes:

this is a good fight. i think froch might win it down the stretch. if not then dirrel UD

tbh I haven't seen much of Dirrell, but Im really not impressed with Froch,
I think he overrates his chin and his defence is awful, both Kess and Abraham
would take him out, I'd even fancy Taylor in a rematch...

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Dirrell is not in over his head. He's only facing Carl Fraud. If he was facing Kessler or maybe Taylor than yeah he would be. But he's not. Plus he's 26 years old. It's time for him to make his move. Dirrell speed and reflexes are off the charts. And he hasn't shown any stamina problems. So unless he gets DQ'ed or just straight robbed I see no reason he doesn't move to 19-0.

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You mean the guy FRoch did this too?


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...taylor_576.jpg

To me Carl Froch is an average world champion and Dirrell would not have to be top draw to beat him and it wouldn't surprise me if Froch comes bottom of the table. I think his hands held low style will come back to haunt him.

Who does he think he is ?

You have to have lightening fast reflexes to get away with that. Also his one-punch at a time (A-La F.Mayweather Jnr) doesn't work for him as he doesn't punch quick or accurate enough for it. Even I can see that crazy uppercut move he keeps trying to pull off coming. I see the two young up-coming guys in Dirrell and Ward dominating this competition.

Froch should have more than enough in his armour to see off dirrell and i expect a comfortable points decision. Ive seen 4-5 dirrell fights so far and am not buying him for 1 minute. He`s the weakest of the 6 and fighting the 2nd best of the 6.

The same people on here that think dirrell will beat froch are the same type that believed lacys journey to britain to fight JC was merely a formality and a way to get him over to the european public.


froch by quite a considerable margin

...as i wrote in another post. This sadly will be a boring fight. Direll wont engage froch, and froch is too slow to do anything about it. Direll will pot shot the hell out of this man for 12 rounds no matter how loud we boo he'll take an easy decision. Ask curtis stevens, the same thing happened to him when he was a threat to direll.

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...as i wrote in another post. This sadly will be a boring fight. Direll wont engage froch, and froch is too slow to do anything about it. Direll will pot shot the hell out of this man for 12 rounds no matter how loud we boo he'll take an easy decision. Ask curtis stevens, the same thing happened to him when he was a threat to direll.

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Are you being serious?? Your comparing a 5ft 7 novice who has never fought a 12 round fight as the same sort of threat as Carl Froch??

Sometimes some of you guys from the States find it hard to take anyone from a non Us Country espacially from the uk imo any credit.

Carl Froch is a world class fighter I hate the bloke personally, but I agree with Hammer in that alot of people think Dirrell will just turn up and beat Froch similar to how the majority though Lacy would to Calzaghe. Froch has been in with world class fighters and has beaton two very good fighters in Taylor and the curretn 175 lb wbc champ Pascal.

I see this fight as 65-35 in favour of Froch and if I had to put my house on it Froch stops him, I just dont get how the majority of people think so little of Froch. The usual bullshit Taylor was 12 seconds from schooling Froch blah blah blah, if you watched the fight again it was far from a schooling and if the fight ended without a ko i had Taylor winning by one round.

I'm rooting for Taylor. You have to like the guy. He is the most down to earth guy in the sport. If Taylor could get his shit together i would favor him, but he is probably damaged goods now.

If he cannot do it I hope froch takes it.

I like Dirrell in this one, but major major props to all six guys for even being in this. They have so much to lose, especially the undefeated guys, and could have taken much easier paths. Abraham especially could have taken a much easier route and made some good money fighting reasonable names on his way to a title shot at 168. This will give most of them and probably all of them one or several "L´s" on their record. This is like the old days when the top guys fought all the other top guys. They say that if a fighter has had a lot of fights and is still undefeated, it´s because his opposition has been too weak. Absolutely true and these guys are willing to lay it all on the line. This is the most exciting and praiseworthy thing in boxing in a long while.

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...as i wrote in another post. This sadly will be a boring fight. Direll wont engage froch, and froch is too slow to do anything about it. Direll will pot shot the hell out of this man for 12 rounds no matter how loud we boo he'll take an easy decision. Ask curtis stevens, the same thing happened to him when he was a threat to direll.

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Are you being serious?? Your comparing a 5ft 7 novice who has never fought a 12 round fight as the same sort of threat as Carl Froch??

Sometimes some of you guys from the States find it hard to take anyone from a non Us Country espacially from the uk imo any credit.

Carl Froch is a world class fighter I hate the bloke personally, but I agree with Hammer in that alot of people think Dirrell will just turn up and beat Froch similar to how the majority though Lacy would to Calzaghe. Froch has been in with world class fighters and has beaton two very good fighters in Taylor and the curretn 175 lb wbc champ Pascal.

I see this fight as 65-35 in favour of Froch and if I had to put my house on it Froch stops him, I just dont get how the majority of people think so little of Froch. The usual bullshit Taylor was 12 seconds from schooling Froch blah blah blah, if you watched the fight again it was far from a schooling and if the fight ended without a ko i had Taylor winning by one round.

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Froch is a world class fighter and he has stopped talking about Calzaghe ever since he beat JT, which has made him a lot more likeable. Froch isn't a fraud any longer. He has two wins over opponents who were faster and more experienced. Froch showed he takes boxing seriously and trains hard for every fight. He fights with vigor and heart. I take my hat off to him. No doubt. On the other hand, he is up against a different kind of challenge in Dirrell. As Mars put it, Dirrell could pot shot and win enough rounds to take a comfortable decision on the cards. Keep in mind, however, the fight is in Nottingham and Froch holds the belt. Dirrell must do more than squeeze out a victory; he will have to take it from the champion. He'll need a knockdown or two to win on the cards. And Froch punches with strength - he can bang. Not the strongest puncher of the 6, but probably in the top 3 or top 2, which means we'll probably see Dirrell's chin and body tested. 12 rounds with Froch is a long time - ask JT. And it is not for certain that Dirrell will be content to pot shot and run; he may tire in the championship rounds and be forced to trade with Froch, turning the fight into solid entertainment.

This is a very tough fight for me to call, my 1st instinct is that Dirrel will be to fast & give Froch fits all night, but Froch is dangerous every minute of the fight & I could see him catching up with Dirrell in the championship rounds

If Dirrell sticks to the plan & boxes & keeps Froch on the end of the stick it may well be a boring but very winnable fight, if there is a weakness that we haven't yet seen in Dirrell; Froch is just the type of fighter to expose it!

My pick: Dirrell on pts

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...as i wrote in another post. This sadly will be a boring fight. Direll wont engage froch, and froch is too slow to do anything about it. Direll will pot shot the hell out of this man for 12 rounds no matter how loud we boo he'll take an easy decision. Ask curtis stevens, the same thing happened to him when he was a threat to direll.

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Are you being serious?? Your comparing a 5ft 7 novice who has never fought a 12 round fight as the same sort of threat as Carl Froch??

Sometimes some of you guys from the States find it hard to take anyone from a non Us Country espacially from the uk imo any credit.

Carl Froch is a world class fighter I hate the bloke personally, but I agree with Hammer in that alot of people think Dirrell will just turn up and beat Froch similar to how the majority though Lacy would to Calzaghe. Froch has been in with world class fighters and has beaton two very good fighters in Taylor and the curretn 175 lb wbc champ Pascal.

I see this fight as 65-35 in favour of Froch and if I had to put my house on it Froch stops him, I just dont get how the majority of people think so little of Froch. The usual bullshit Taylor was 12 seconds from schooling Froch blah blah blah, if you watched the fight again it was far from a schooling and if the fight ended without a ko i had Taylor winning by one round.

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Yup if Taylor made the bell in the last round, it would've been a 10-7 round and the fight could arguably have been a draw imp

pfft, I've been guilty of underrating Froch but Dirrell can be underrated too, he's without a doubt the most explosive athlete in the whole thing, he's insanely fast, can punch, and is pretty skilled. I just worry about his mentality and his chin.

Awful lot of faith in a complete novice to beat a seasoned unbeaten pro who is now a world champion

I just dont get it with you americans. Khan beats the hell out of barrera and kotelnik and you still perceive the man to be a fraud. Ortiz on the other hand gets his arse handed to him by a guy nobody has ever heard of and your all still claiming the guy has what it takes to be a world champion.

As ive mentioned in the past froch just like calzaghe is extremely good at adapting to different situations and us brits though being in the same continent fight nothing like the orthodox one dimensional european convention of fighting.

If carl has to stand and trade with the man he`ll do so. If he has to get on his bike and pick his counters he`ll do so. Whichever happens froch will take a COMFORTABLE points decision and you guys can go back to hating him once again.

LOL, yay blanket statements and generalizations, a lot of people think Ortiz has serious heart issues, hell there have even been questions of whether he wants to fight anymore.

I like Khan but its hard to get a one round demolition out of people's heads. Fighting a puncher would help.

And good luck if Carl "gets on his bike."

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pfft, I've been guilty of underrating Froch but Dirrell can be underrated too, he's without a doubt the most explosive athlete in the whole thing, he's insanely fast, can punch, and is pretty skilled. I just worry about his mentality and his chin.

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They're just about my exact thoughts on this fight.

Watching a few Dirrell fights recently he looks very impressive to me. I can't believe he's the 14/1 outsider in this thing.

His speed is going to give Froch murders. If Dirrell has the bottle for it he'll win. But equally it wont be a surprise if Froch drags him into the deep end and drowns him.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

pfft, I've been guilty of underrating Froch but Dirrell can be underrated too, he's without a doubt the most explosive athlete in the whole thing, he's insanely fast, can punch, and is pretty skilled. I just worry about his mentality and his chin.

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They're just about my exact thoughts on this fight.

Watching a few Dirrell fights recently he looks very impressive to me. I can't believe he's the 14/1 outsider in this thing.

His speed is going to give Froch murders. If Dirrell has the bottle for it he'll win. But equally it wont be a surprise if Froch drags him into the deep end and drowns him.

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no doubt in my mind dirrell will look to be the aggressor from the word go and will have froch on the ropes on more than a few occasions.

But we`ve seen in the past how carl enjoys those types of slug fests as he is extremely good at not allowing himself to become to inveloped in what the other guy is doing and froch will no doubt pick away at dirrell every time he lunges in.

If the judges go on dirrells sheer athletisism alone it`ll be a tough call, if however it comes down to who landed the better shots and asserted themselves better froch will win hands down

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pfft, I've been guilty of underrating Froch but Dirrell can be underrated too, he's without a doubt the most explosive athlete in the whole thing, he's insanely fast, can punch, and is pretty skilled. I just worry about his mentality and his chin.

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They're just about my exact thoughts on this fight.

Watching a few Dirrell fights recently he looks very impressive to me. I can't believe he's the 14/1 outsider in this thing.

His speed is going to give Froch murders. If Dirrell has the bottle for it he'll win. But equally it wont be a surprise if Froch drags him into the deep end and drowns him.

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no doubt in my mind dirrell will look to be the aggressor from the word go and will have froch on the ropes on more than a few occasions.

But we`ve seen in the past how carl enjoys those types of slug fests as he is extremely good at not allowing himself to become to inveloped in what the other guy is doing and froch will no doubt pick away at dirrell every time he lunges in.

If the judges go on dirrells sheer athletisism alone it`ll be a tough call, if however it comes down to who landed the better shots and asserted themselves better froch will win hands down

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Hmmm, why do you think he'll come out trying to come forward and back Froch up?

Andre Dirrell right?

He comes out pretty much every time moving and trying to box. He pretty much never comes out the aggressor trying to back his man up.

Against Victor Oganov he came out boxing and moving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooMdGA1UimY

Against Anthony Hanshaw he came out boxing and moving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLcZ...eature=related

Against Derrick Findlay he came out boxing and moving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlW-n...eature=related

Against Curtis Stevens he ran the whole fight.

He may throw a lot of punches but he doesn't come out the aggressor coming forward trying to back his man up. Froch is the obvious pressure guy here.

Nice one Ouma, I hadn't seen much of Dirrel (that's why I haven't made any predictions ;))

Fantastic movement, nice switch hitting style, hangs his chin out a bit though - will have a closer look at some more of his fights!

Dirrell's explosiveness is overrated, I think his loud exhale deceives some people. He'll be able to overwhelm many fighters, but doesn't have the single punch power to really buzz someone and keep em honest. He's fast and has a lot of potential, but nowhere near a complete boxer, and seems to switch hit due to the fact that he hasn't got a right hand rather than as a tool to confuse oppoennts.

I find Froch hilarious, he's probably dreamed throughout his life of being some sort of all time great counterpuncher, but he's so slow he couldn't move out of the way of a fucking milk float. He has a solid chin and long reach, which means he'll be able to land his mildly above average power while he's still willing to take shots. IMO this fight will come down to how good Dirrell's chin is.

When I say explosiveness his speed, which really is top drawer, is partially what I mean, not just power. And I would say he can crack a bit, he can hurt people, not one punch them, but hurt them with one punch especially because his speed helps him catch guys with stuff they don't see coming.

He's got some issues though. Goes too wild offensively at times, throwing cartoon combinations which gasses him out a bit and I'm not sure he has the greatest chin. Also I think if you're a Froch fan you could take some confidence from the Oganov fight and the Hanshaw fight as at times he's looked a bit uncomfortable with pressure. Then again the Oganov fight especially I think he fought kind of like he thought the guy across from him was garbage, I would suspect he'd play it a bit more safe against Froch. And he really beat the shit out of Hanshaw after the start of the second round, worse so then Roy although I'm the last guy to overrate an old Roy.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Froch should have more than enough in his armour to see off dirrell and i expect a comfortable points decision. Ive seen 4-5 dirrell fights so far and am not buying him for 1 minute. He`s the weakest of the 6 and fighting the 2nd best of the 6.

The same people on here that think dirrell will beat froch are the same type that believed lacys journey to britain to fight JC was merely a formality and a way to get him over to the european public.


froch by quite a considerable margin

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As appose to the Brits who thought Hatton's pressure would overcome Mayweather's speed, right? Chances are Dirrell-Fraud will look more like Mayweather-Hatton than Calzaghe-Lacy

I commended Froch after beating Taylor. After the Pascal fight, I thought Pascal was underrated and Froch overrated. Then Froch beat Taylor and I had to give him a little credit. If he beats Dirrell it will be hard to deny that he is a top threat at 168.

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Froch should have more than enough in his armour to see off dirrell and i expect a comfortable points decision. Ive seen 4-5 dirrell fights so far and am not buying him for 1 minute. He`s the weakest of the 6 and fighting the 2nd best of the 6.

The same people on here that think dirrell will beat froch are the same type that believed lacys journey to britain to fight JC was merely a formality and a way to get him over to the european public.


froch by quite a considerable margin

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As appose to the Brits who thought Hatton's pressure would overcome Mayweather's speed, right? Chances are Dirrell-Fraud will look more like Mayweather-Hatton than Calzaghe-Lacy

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Disagree with that mate, the amount of brits on here who thought Hatton would win were no where near as much as the amount of Americans who fought Lacy would beat Calzaghe, if I had to guess id say the amount of Americans who thought Lacy would win id say 90%, amount of Brits who thought Hatton would beat Mayweather I think you would be hard to name 60% on here.

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Froch should have more than enough in his armour to see off dirrell and i expect a comfortable points decision. Ive seen 4-5 dirrell fights so far and am not buying him for 1 minute. He`s the weakest of the 6 and fighting the 2nd best of the 6.

The same people on here that think dirrell will beat froch are the same type that believed lacys journey to britain to fight JC was merely a formality and a way to get him over to the european public.


froch by quite a considerable margin

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As appose to the Brits who thought Hatton's pressure would overcome Mayweather's speed, right? Chances are Dirrell-Fraud will look more like Mayweather-Hatton than Calzaghe-Lacy

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who exactly said that??

i pretty much made a living out of telling everyone that would hear that floyd would win it on points.

once again please continue to make yourself look the dick you obviously are...................

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Froch should have more than enough in his armour to see off dirrell and i expect a comfortable points decision. Ive seen 4-5 dirrell fights so far and am not buying him for 1 minute. He`s the weakest of the 6 and fighting the 2nd best of the 6.

The same people on here that think dirrell will beat froch are the same type that believed lacys journey to britain to fight JC was merely a formality and a way to get him over to the european public.


froch by quite a considerable margin

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As appose to the Brits who thought Hatton's pressure would overcome Mayweather's speed, right? Chances are Dirrell-Fraud will look more like Mayweather-Hatton than Calzaghe-Lacy

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who exactly said that??

i pretty much made a living out of telling everyone that would hear that floyd would win it on points.

once again please continue to make yourself look the dick you obviously are...................

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Oh there were several. Some just didn't come back.

And I'm sure all them idiots who made the trip across the pond really thought Hatton was going to lose, right? :beat:

Dont rise to it, VD knows that Carl is the man to beat at 168 and mark my words Dirrell isnt going to be the man to rise to that occasion.

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They're just about my exact thoughts on this fight.

Watching a few Dirrell fights recently he looks very impressive to me. I can't believe he's the 14/1 outsider in this thing.

His speed is going to give Froch murders. If Dirrell has the bottle for it he'll win. But equally it wont be a surprise if Froch drags him into the deep end and drowns him.

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no doubt in my mind dirrell will look to be the aggressor from the word go and will have froch on the ropes on more than a few occasions.

But we`ve seen in the past how carl enjoys those types of slug fests as he is extremely good at not allowing himself to become to inveloped in what the other guy is doing and froch will no doubt pick away at dirrell every time he lunges in.

If the judges go on dirrells sheer athletisism alone it`ll be a tough call, if however it comes down to who landed the better shots and asserted themselves better froch will win hands down

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Hmmm, why do you think he'll come out trying to come forward and back Froch up?

Andre Dirrell right?

He comes out pretty much every time moving and trying to box. He pretty much never comes out the aggressor trying to back his man up.

Against Victor Oganov he came out boxing and moving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooMdGA1UimY
Against Anthony Hanshaw he came out boxing and moving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLcZ...eature=related
Against Derrick Findlay he came out boxing and moving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlW-n...eature=related
Against Curtis Stevens he ran the whole fight.

He may throw a lot of punches but he doesn't come out the aggressor coming forward trying to back his man up. Froch is the obvious pressure guy here.

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He's got a fast accurate jab. That's going to give Froch all sorts of problems. It's easy to say you're going to put pressure on somebody but when you're getting tattooed in the canister with a jab like that it's easier said than done. Dirrell could win the fight with just his jab. If Dirrell has the stamina that Jermain Taylor didn't have he wins this fight easily. The fight will be like the first few rounds of Froch-Taylor.

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Froch should have more than enough in his armour to see off dirrell and i expect a comfortable points decision. Ive seen 4-5 dirrell fights so far and am not buying him for 1 minute. He`s the weakest of the 6 and fighting the 2nd best of the 6.

The same people on here that think dirrell will beat froch are the same type that believed lacys journey to britain to fight JC was merely a formality and a way to get him over to the european public.


froch by quite a considerable margin

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As appose to the Brits who thought Hatton's pressure would overcome Mayweather's speed, right? Chances are Dirrell-Fraud will look more like Mayweather-Hatton than Calzaghe-Lacy

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who exactly said that??

i pretty much made a living out of telling everyone that would hear that floyd would win it on points.

once again please continue to make yourself look the dick you obviously are...................

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I had PBF inside 7 rounds, so I didn't do Hatton justice lol

I also called Lacy v Calzaghe as 50/50, how wrong I was on that ;D