Big time fight at SMW. Who would you pick to win?
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Allan Green would destroy Bika, he's a better boxer, with better power. He'd throw straight punches in between Bika's looping haymakers and just ruin him IMO. It would be ugly for Bika fans (if any exist).
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Originally Posted by CFH
Agreed; though I never count Bika out. He's a tough nut.
But Allan Green also has a suspect chin, and he hasn't beaten anyone worth mentioning. Atleast Sakio Bika has been in there with some of the top Super Middleweights, and i thought he was punching straighter against Peter Manfredo, until he went crazy on him at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
How is Green's chin suspect? Miranda was able to floor a legitimately ill and very weight drained Green, but he still couldn't stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBut Allan Green also has a suspect chin, and he hasn't beaten anyone worth mentioning. Atleast Sakio Bika has been in there with some of the top Super Middleweights, and i thought he was punching straighter against Peter Manfredo, until he went crazy on him at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Bika is a huge underdog if this fight comes off.
Donny McCrary had him down and all over the place, and should of stopped him really. And lets keep in mind this is Donny McCrary. Who is decent at best and has only decent power at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow is Green's chin suspect? Miranda was able to floor a legitimately ill and very weight drained Green, but he still couldn't stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBut Allan Green also has a suspect chin, and he hasn't beaten anyone worth mentioning. Atleast Sakio Bika has been in there with some of the top Super Middleweights, and i thought he was punching straighter against Peter Manfredo, until he went crazy on him at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Bika is a huge underdog if this fight comes off.
I haven't seen that fight, but I've seen Green fight at least 5 or 6 times and he's never struck me as having a suspect chin. Any fighter can be hurt, but I don't think that necessarily means they have a suspect chin unless it happens with regularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBDonny McCrary had him down and all over the place, and should of stopped him really. And lets keep in mind this is Donny McCrary. Who is decent at best and has only decent power at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow is Green's chin suspect? Miranda was able to floor a legitimately ill and very weight drained Green, but he still couldn't stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Bika is a huge underdog if this fight comes off.
Trust me he had Allan Green all over the place, if i remember rightly he walked into a big hook and he froze up. Then Donny McCrary went on the attack, rocking his head back with a series of punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI haven't seen that fight, but I've seen Green fight at least 5 or 6 times and he's never struck me as having a suspect chin. Any fighter can be hurt, but I don't think that necessarily means they have a suspect chin unless it happens with regularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBDonny McCrary had him down and all over the place, and should of stopped him really. And lets keep in mind this is Donny McCrary. Who is decent at best and has only decent power at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
And Allan Green went down pretty hard and he was badly shaken, then amazingly Donny McCrary doesn't really follow up which was confusing to me. And really he should of finished him off there. But that is why i picked Edison Miranda over Allan Green if i remember rightly.
Should be a good fight. I'm rooting for Bika mainly because I can't stand Green. He talks too much for me...especially for a guy who hasn't even beat a top 10 guy. Green could very well win the fight and make it look easy but give me Bika.
His chin is a bit suspect. Curtis Stevens had him all over the place in the amateurs. The knockdown against Stevens is similar to the knockdown he suffered against McCrary...once he's hit he kinda freezes and get's hit with numerous shots. Fast forward to 4:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg_Ox1GOACw
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Originally Posted by TigerFan
Which is why I wouldn't count Bika out. I remember the McCrary knockdown;think alot of it had to do with Green being way too overconfident, though that doesn't really affect the chin. I could see Green getting laid out in the later rounds as Bika is tough and one of those looping punchs might land. Green looked good in his last fights and not staring at his feet; but like I said in my other post, I never count Bika out. In fact the longer it goes the more I give Bika a chance.
underestimate bika at your peril
Sure the guy is limited on natural talent but he more than makes up for it with heart and determination.
If green has his head screwed on he should be able to take a good points win...he sure as hell aint stopping him though
Codrington almost stopped him. Green can (and will) stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I would also like to add that I dispise Allan Green and would love to see Bika lay him out, I just don't see any way it happens.
bika is the middles answer to your carlos baldomirs or lovemore n`dou`sQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHCodrington almost stopped him. Green can (and will) stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
sure he`ll mix it with the very best of them, but as long as your a half decent fighter you should at the very least be able to take it on points
Green will take a comfortable decision, if however he takes it via KO then he more than deserves another world title shot
did you not see the DeLeon fight? Green was rocked on several occasions in the first round, IMO this is a very winnable fight for Bika if Green gets stupid and tries to trade, but i expect Green to outbox himQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow is Green's chin suspect? Miranda was able to floor a legitimately ill and very weight drained Green, but he still couldn't stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBut Allan Green also has a suspect chin, and he hasn't beaten anyone worth mentioning. Atleast Sakio Bika has been in there with some of the top Super Middleweights, and i thought he was punching straighter against Peter Manfredo, until he went crazy on him at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Bika is a huge underdog if this fight comes off.
I saw that fight but I don't recall Green ever being in any serious trouble. I'm not saying it's impossible, I just don't remember it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdid you not see the DeLeon fight? Green was rocked on several occasions in the first round, IMO this is a very winnable fight for Bika if Green gets stupid and tries to trade, but i expect Green to outbox himQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow is Green's chin suspect? Miranda was able to floor a legitimately ill and very weight drained Green, but he still couldn't stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Bika is a huge underdog if this fight comes off.
i REALLY doubt this will ever go to a decision..Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerbika is the middles answer to your carlos baldomirs or lovemore n`dou`sQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHCodrington almost stopped him. Green can (and will) stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
sure he`ll mix it with the very best of them, but as long as your a half decent fighter you should at the very least be able to take it on points
Green will take a comfortable decision, if however he takes it via KO then he more than deserves another world title shot
it comes down to the simple idea that if green can land shots while bika is swinging wildly then he will KO bika.. If bika lands some of those shots then green will be dropped.. both of these guys throw bombs, and although green is a better boxer i still don't think he'll be able to avoid getting baited into bika's wide punches and trying to land some hard ones..
to be honest, i think green could outbox him for 12 rounds and stay away from him, but we all know that won't happen and then green will be mixing it up with him.
Man, I can't find Allan Green-Donnie McCrary on Youtube. Allan must have secretly acquired large amounts of shares of Youtube.
That fight should have been stopped really, Green was out on his feet.
I think you can say hmm look at Sakio Bika-Jaidon Codrington and now put Allan Green in there, Allan will win but I think its imperative to never underestimate the crappiness of Allan Green. Bika will give him no time to look at his feet. I could see him weathering the early storm and grinding Allan down brutally. Its not like Green is that slick defensively and you can see through his chin.
To be fair, Stevens was a huge puncher in the amateurs who did to a lot of guys what he did to Green there. That's why Andre Dirrell gave him so much respect in their bout and that was the smartest thing Dirrell could have done. Well maybe he could have engaged a little more, but Stevens was supposed to be the next great Brownsville fighter when he turned pro and before his first loss, he was a big deal.
With that said, Green's chin is DEFINITELY shakey as that's been proven a bunch. De Leon had him hurt bad in their bout and he responded nicely but I pick Bika here. Green has disappointed to many times just looking terrible. For every bout he has like against Codrington and Bonsante he has one like he had versus Miranda, McCrary (Ouma is right it should have been stopped), Emmit Linton and Rubin Williams. If you have any faith in Green I suggest watching the last two fights, just no drive in either of those fights and he looked just absolutely awful in both.
Until he proves me wrong, Green gets his bubble busted here just on sheer will and volition imo. Bika will keep coming and Green will be there, and btw Green has no problem being caught with those looping shots that's what he has been caught with his whole career.
I actually thought he took the punches pretty well. De Leon isn't world class. But he can bangQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdid you not see the DeLeon fight? Green was rocked on several occasions in the first round, IMO this is a very winnable fight for Bika if Green gets stupid and tries to trade, but i expect Green to outbox himQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow is Green's chin suspect? Miranda was able to floor a legitimately ill and very weight drained Green, but he still couldn't stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Bika is a huge underdog if this fight comes off.
I was at that fight and at no time was Deleon in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI actually thought he took the punches pretty well. De Leon isn't world class. But he can bangQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdid you not see the DeLeon fight? Green was rocked on several occasions in the first round, IMO this is a very winnable fight for Bika if Green gets stupid and tries to trade, but i expect Green to outbox himQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I may be in the minority here but I like Green. That said, Green definitely needs to prove that he can walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Bika is a big step-up in competition. Green's first real big fight. I think it is a perfect opportunity. He gets a strap if he wins and gets a lot of exposure from fighting on a PBF card. Who will he fight with who has as big of a name as Bika?
Bika has looked good in his last few fights albeit against lesser competition and he is a tough sob. I don't see Green knocking him out. I could see Green dominating on the cards, but Bika has the potential at any moment to hurt Green. And Bika's only losses have come against better fighters than Green: Bute, Calzaghe and Soliman in his prime, which was avenged; fighters who also have much different styles than Green.
The four fighters left out of the tournament: Bika, Green, Bute, and Andrade should all fight eachother if they can't participate in the tournament. As of now, Bute is fighting Andrade in the Fall and Green may fight Bika. My initial reaction is Green beats Bika on the cards and Bute beats Andrade on the cards with the winners fighting in Montreal in the beginning of 2010 in a huge fight.
Green needs to quit staring at his shoes,get some fiber,and fight period.Loosing precious time and almost an after thought with inactivity.Bikas a serious threat and might just pull this out if he rushes him early.
Yeah he got knocked down and rocked but then he got up and still won the fight. It doesn't matter if he goes down I think he's already shown on more then one occasion that even if he gets knocked down it doesn't cause him to give up and he gets up and wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
They are as far as I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI was at that fight and at no time was Deleon in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI actually thought he took the punches pretty well. De Leon isn't world class. But he can bangQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I may be in the minority here but I like Green. That said, Green definitely needs to prove that he can walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Bika is a big step-up in competition. Green's first real big fight. I think it is a perfect opportunity. He gets a strap if he wins and gets a lot of exposure from fighting on a PBF card. Who will he fight with who has as big of a name as Bika?
Bika has looked good in his last few fights albeit against lesser competition and he is a tough sob. I don't see Green knocking him out. I could see Green dominating on the cards, but Bika has the potential at any moment to hurt Green. And Bika's only losses have come against better fighters than Green: Bute, Calzaghe and Soliman in his prime, which was avenged; fighters who also have much different styles than Green.
The four fighters left out of the tournament: Bika, Green, Bute, and Andrade should all fight eachother if they can't participate in the tournament. As of now, Bute is fighting Andrade in the Fall and Green may fight Bika. My initial reaction is Green beats Bika on the cards and Bute beats Andrade on the cards with the winners fighting in Montreal in the beginning of 2010 in a huge fight.
The only fight i saw bika look terrible in was the bute fight. Bute beat him pillar to post.
What the hell did Bika do to you? Fuck your daughter or something!?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I'd say it would be a very good fight and a pretty competitive fight considering how Miranda faired against Green.
Jaidon Codrington has a style and speed similiar to Green, and loads of power too, and Bika had a shoot out with him and ended up destroying him.
I was about to say the same about the style matchup. Bika will have a chance in the fight for sure.
But he's been knocked down and hurt by fighters, like Donny McCrary. Now fighters of that level Allan Green can get up, survive and win against. But can he do it against a dangerous fighter like Sakio Bika ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyYeah he got knocked down and rocked but then he got up and still won the fight. It doesn't matter if he goes down I think he's already shown on more then one occasion that even if he gets knocked down it doesn't cause him to give up and he gets up and wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
Im not sure about that Allan Green hasn't ever fought anyone, except for Edison Miranda who himself has been exposed as very overrated. And Allan Green got beat pretty bad in that fight, now i don't know all about the troubles Allan Green had, all i know is he got floored twice and was beaten handily on the scorecards. I just can't see Allan Green managing to stay away from Sakio Bika, for 10 or 12 rounds however long the fight is scheduled for.
And once he gets clocked its all over, because Sakio Bika has power and from what i've seen. He has good finishing instincts. And Allan Green has a suspect chin like i've said earlier in this thread, i've just never been sold on Allan Green. I've always thought he was overrated, Sakio Bika may not be an elite world class fighter. But he has attributes that will trouble Allan Green.
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Originally Posted by HulkWhat the hell did Bika do to you? Fuck your daughter or something!?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I'd say it would be a very good fight and a pretty competitive fight considering how Miranda faired against Green.
Jaidon Codrington has a style and speed similiar to Green, and loads of power too, and Bika had a shoot out with him and ended up destroying him.
Bika did nothing to me, I don't dislike him at all. However, the weaknesses in his game are glaring and Green is the right type of fighter to expose them.
The Miranda fight is always used to discredit Green, but, in addition to being weight-drained, he has a completely legitimate excuse regarding that fight in that they removed something like 85% of his colon following the match because of an existing medical condition.
Codrington isn't half the fighter Green is either and he almost had Bika finished early in their fight.
I can't believe I'm defending Green here, I can't stand the guy.
I was just about to say something more about Codrington then I realized that it was Allen Green who knocked him out in 30 seconds and almost killed him a couple years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH;DQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkWhat the hell did Bika do to you? Fuck your daughter or something!?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I'd say it would be a very good fight and a pretty competitive fight considering how Miranda faired against Green.
Jaidon Codrington has a style and speed similiar to Green, and loads of power too, and Bika had a shoot out with him and ended up destroying him.
Bika did nothing to me, I don't dislike him at all. However, the weaknesses in his game are glaring and Green is the right type of fighter to expose them.
The Miranda fight is always used to discredit Green, but, in addition to being weight-drained, he has a completely legitimate excuse regarding that fight in that they removed something like 85% of his colon following the match because of an existing medical condition.
Codrington isn't half the fighter Green is either and he almost had Bika finished early in their fight.
I can't believe I'm defending Green here, I can't stand the guy.
lol
CFH said apparently thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBBut he's been knocked down and hurt by fighters, like Donny McCrary. Now fighters of that level Allan Green can get up, survive and win against. But can he do it against a dangerous fighter like Sakio Bika ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyYeah he got knocked down and rocked but then he got up and still won the fight. It doesn't matter if he goes down I think he's already shown on more then one occasion that even if he gets knocked down it doesn't cause him to give up and he gets up and wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
Im not sure about that Allan Green hasn't ever fought anyone, except for Edison Miranda who himself has been exposed as very overrated. And Allan Green got beat pretty bad in that fight, now i don't know all about the troubles Allan Green had, all i know is he got floored twice and was beaten handily on the scorecards. I just can't see Allan Green managing to stay away from Sakio Bika, for 10 or 12 rounds however long the fight is scheduled for.
And once he gets clocked its all over, because Sakio Bika has power and from what i've seen. He has good finishing instincts. And Allan Green has a suspect chin like i've said earlier in this thread, i've just never been sold on Allan Green. I've always thought he was overrated, Sakio Bika may not be an elite world class fighter. But he has attributes that will trouble Allan Green.
"in addition to being weight-drained, he has a completely legitimate excuse regarding that fight in that they removed something like 85% of his colon following the match because of an existing medical condition."
So if this is the case I wouldn't hold the Miranda loss against him at all nor would I use it to judge him on it at all
you are an idiot sakio would smash allen green .Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
i know for a fact that sakio has been working on that looping punch you say is downfall .and have u seen sakio fight besides the two american fights he has had .he has fought the best in the world and come very close to beating them .but all this dosent matter know anyway as ive herd that green is to scared to fight sakio anyway and the fight is not going to happen .
Greens chin is shocking mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow is Green's chin suspect? Miranda was able to floor a legitimately ill and very weight drained Green, but he still couldn't stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBut Allan Green also has a suspect chin, and he hasn't beaten anyone worth mentioning. Atleast Sakio Bika has been in there with some of the top Super Middleweights, and i thought he was punching straighter against Peter Manfredo, until he went crazy on him at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Bika is a huge underdog if this fight comes off.
I gotta go with Green....I was at his fight on the undercard of Froch/Taylor and he looked fantastic...Best I ever seen him look....Based on that fight alone I pick him to abuse Bika
I got Bika. Green only good when he can hurt his opponent. He can't hurt Bika.
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Originally Posted by beny11you are an idiot sakio would smash allen green .Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
i know for a fact that sakio has been working on that looping punch you say is downfall .and have u seen sakio fight besides the two american fights he has had .he has fought the best in the world and come very close to beating them .but all this dosent matter know anyway as ive herd that green is to scared to fight sakio anyway and the fight is not going to happen .
Sakio? Is that you?
A bad fight for Green.
Maybe it's his hot wife ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH;DQuote:
Originally Posted by beny11you are an idiot sakio would smash allen green .Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
i know for a fact that sakio has been working on that looping punch you say is downfall .and have u seen sakio fight besides the two american fights he has had .he has fought the best in the world and come very close to beating them .but all this dosent matter know anyway as ive herd that green is to scared to fight sakio anyway and the fight is not going to happen .
Sakio? Is that you?
Yes, the way she looks is somewhat... unfortunate. I'm sure she's a nice person though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinMaybe it's his hot wife ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH;DQuote:
Originally Posted by beny11
Sakio? Is that you?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess :-\.