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Good on Cotto. He isn't just talking tough, he is talking sense. Pac is far from unbeatable and beat a weight brained Hatton and an IV dripped Oscar. And let's not forget the mighty David Diaz. You can call him Dave if you buy him a beer. :-X
The fight should be at 147 and Pac really should get destroyed. Bring it Cotto, knock this ugly troll on his back never to be seen beyond a third Marquez fight. :)
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sounds like fighting talk from Cotto - like it.:cool:
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Good for Cotto I can't wait for this fight.
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This is gonna be a tear up with some brutal punches been thrown.Carnt wait hope it doesnt get called off due to the belt issue!
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Miguel sounds like Oscar, when the latter said that he is going to knock Pacquiao out in five. His plan is to deliver a beating...
Somewhat in the same wavelength to that of Hatton's... that Pac has not faced anyone as powerful and physically superior than him in the ring.
These are hollow and shallow calls by a dead man walking. Nervous squeak, with hopes that if repeated often enough, might actually stir a self emboldenment, wherein he might actually begin to believe there is truth in it.
It is however, a few thousand times more tougher sounding and more impressive of a "call to war" than that of Pacquiao's... He is, always unwilling at predicting a fight's outcome. It is always the boring and generic... "we'll just have to see it in the ring!"
Not much theater to it, dry, but to the learned and the keen observer, it is not without its warning.
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The WBO could stand to make some serious money if Pacman held their belt... even with that in mind they still say:- "145?.. fuck off... that's not a title fight"? ;D Interesting... :rolleyes:
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Miguel sounds like Oscar, when the latter said that he is going to knock Pacquiao out in five. His plan is to deliver a beating...
Somewhat in the same wavelength to that of Hatton's... that Pac has not faced anyone as powerful and physically superior than him in the ring.
These are hollow and shallow calls by a dead man walking. Nervous squeak, with hopes that if repeated often enough, might actually stir a self emboldenment, wherein he might actually begin to believe there is truth in it.
It is however, a few thousand times more tougher sounding and more impressive of a "call to war" than that of Pacquiao's... He is, always unwilling at predicting a fight's outcome. It is always the boring and generic... "we'll just have to see it in the ring!"
Not much theater to it, dry, but to the learned and the keen observer, it is not without its warning.
Unlike Ricky Hatton- Cotto can box, not just brawl.
Unlike Oscar De L Hoya- Cotto isn't going to have to squeeze off even half of the extra pounds that Oscar did. He won't have to resort to feeding fluids directly into his blood stream via an IV drip to attempt to rehydrate.
So, I'm not dismissing what you say as 100% untrue or complete nonsense... but, what Cotto is saying is certainatly a lot more credible than the other fighters that it's also came from.
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Cotto win or lose is one of my favorite fighters...he has taken the reigns from the late Arturo Gatti as the most exciting fighter in the world, and when you step in the ring with him you WILL get hit and it WILL hurt.
Manny Pacquiao is a likeable enough fighter, I have never had any issues with the guy...he's nice, respectful, he's extremely talented, but he's not all that hard to hit and if you can slow his attack down (perhaps with body shots) he's going to be in trouble with the bigger boys.
I feel bad for Cotto in some ways, he got ducked by Mayweather, he is finally getting a shot vs a P4P SOMEBODY and it's at a bullshit 145 catchweight, he went out of his way to fight Margarito who could have seriously hurt Cotto with illegal wraps. Also I don't think Ricky Hatton ever wanted any part of Miguel Cotto.
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I think Cotto will stop Pac (probably with a body shot) I've alwways thought it and I'm sticking with it
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I commend Cotto for standing his ground. If team Pac wants the welterweight title well the welterweight division includes 146 and 147 pounds also.
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I think Cotto will stop Pac (probably with a body shot) I've alwways thought it and I'm sticking with it
With Cotto's snail-like motion, he is already on the canvas before the waited body shots to happen.
It will be a slick, fast, Pac he is fighting, not a rope hugging Clottey.
............and Clottey actually won on my scorecard.
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I think Cotto will stop Pac (probably with a body shot) I've alwways thought it and I'm sticking with it
With Cotto's snail-like motion, he is already on the canvas before the waited body shots to happen.
It will be a slick, fast, Pac he is fighting, not a rope hugging Clottey.
............and Clottey actually won on my scorecard.
and it'll be a crafty, technically sound Cotto with great timing that Pacquiao will be fighting, not some Zombie who plods forward by the name of Hatton, sorry IMO Cotto's gonna time Pac and break him in half
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I think Cotto will stop Pac (probably with a body shot) I've alwways thought it and I'm sticking with it
With Cotto's snail-like motion, he is already on the canvas before the waited body shots to happen.
It will be a slick, fast, Pac he is fighting, not a rope hugging Clottey.
............and Clottey actually won on my scorecard.
and it'll be a crafty, technically sound Cotto with great timing that Pacquiao will be fighting, not some Zombie who plods forward by the name of Hatton, sorry IMO Cotto's gonna time Pac and break him in half
Hatton thought he can fight fire with fire, i still believe is stronger than Pac and that made him fight they way he did, and caught dead.
Hatton is more crafty, faster than Cotto. Cotto has more defense than Hatton but you cannot turn someone overnight into another type of fighter. What timing you are talking about if you are fighting someone with so much speed it will only made Cotto frustrated and go back to his onw style.
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With Cotto's snail-like motion, he is already on the canvas before the waited body shots to happen.
It will be a slick, fast, Pac he is fighting, not a rope hugging Clottey.
............and Clottey actually won on my scorecard.
and it'll be a crafty, technically sound Cotto with great timing that Pacquiao will be fighting, not some Zombie who plods forward by the name of Hatton, sorry IMO Cotto's gonna time Pac and break him in half
Hatton thought he can fight fire with fire, i still believe is stronger than Pac and that made him fight they way he did, and caught dead.
Hatton is more crafty, faster than Cotto. Cotto has more defense than Hatton but you cannot turn someone overnight into another type of fighter.
What timing you are talking about if you are fighting someone with so much speed it will only made Cotto frustrated and go back to his onw style.
LMAO, Hatton crafty? hahahaha since when?!? :-X:-X:-X, and yea the timing he used to outbox Shane Mosley, Zab Judah, and many others
and go back to his own style? if you watch Cotto's early fights he's essentially a natural counter puncher, the same kind of fighter that always give Manny Pacquiao fits
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Speed kills, if you are talking about his win over Quintana, Clottey, Margarito, Urkal, this guys are as big as him and very hittable. They are far to slow to Pac's comparison.
This will the first time Cotto fighting someone who used to weigh 112lbs with so much speed.
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Speed kills, if you are talking about his win over Quintana, Clottey, Margarito, Urkal, this guys are as big as him and very hittable. They are far to slow to Pac's comparison.
This will the first time Cotto fighting someone who used to weigh 112lbs with so much speed.
yea yea we've heard the speed kills story time and time against, Jones was million times faster than Tarver and Johnson look what happened, same shit goes for Manny, he already was KO'd by two guys weighing in at 108 lbs from a body shot, he's never been whacked by a natural 147 lber, and sorry but Pacquiao is still very hittable, hell in the 2 rounds against Hatton, Ricky was able to land on him, he's far from being a slick boxer
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Speed kills, if you are talking about his win over Quintana, Clottey, Margarito, Urkal, this guys are as big as him and very hittable. They are far to slow to Pac's comparison.
This will the first time Cotto fighting someone who used to weigh 112lbs with so much speed.
yea yea we've heard the speed kills story time and time against, Jones was million times faster than Tarver and Johnson look what happened, same shit goes for Manny, he already was KO'd by two guys weighing in at 108 lbs from a body shot, he's never been whacked by a natural 147 lber, and sorry but Pacquiao is still very hittable, hell in the 2 rounds against Hatton, Ricky was able to land on him, he's far from being a slick boxer
ElTerrible, you are talking about 36 year old RJJ on his fight with Tarver which prior to this he also lost to Johnson. It's a washup Jones and It can't be compared to 30 year old Pac who have beaten all his opponent singlehandedly with KO.
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Speed kills, if you are talking about his win over Quintana, Clottey, Margarito, Urkal, this guys are as big as him and very hittable. They are far to slow to Pac's comparison.
This will the first time Cotto fighting someone who used to weigh 112lbs with so much speed.
yea yea we've heard the speed kills story time and time against, Jones was million times faster than Tarver and Johnson look what happened, same shit goes for Manny, he already was KO'd by two guys weighing in at 108 lbs from a body shot, he's never been whacked by a natural 147 lber, and sorry but Pacquiao is still very hittable, hell in the 2 rounds against Hatton, Ricky was able to land on him, he's far from being a slick boxer
ElTerrible, you are talking about 36 year old RJJ on his fight with Tarver which prior to this he also lost to Johnson. It's a washup Jones and It can't be compared to 30 year old Pac who have beaten all his opponent singlehandedly with KO.
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Jones got Ko'd by Johnson after the Tarver KO :-X, another example of the faster fighter not winning, Byrd/Klitschko, Taylor/Chavez, Maliggnaggi/fill in the blank, sorry speed doesn't equal victory, and like i said Pacquiao is far from untouchable, it only took one body shot to KO him twice before...
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Personally I think Pacquiao is going to decimate Cotto.
Cotto doesn't seem to take pressure as well as he used to and mentally he seems to start falling apart if he doesn't stop you. But he has gotten by because the last opponent he faced let up in the last few rounds and Cotto was able to coast a bit and get a rest and gather his thoughts. Against Pacquiao he will have no such break, there will be no slowing down and if Cotto starts to break mentally there isn't gonna be anything that's gonna get rid of it.
If Cotto loses then I don't want there to be 200 threads about the weight loss or whatever. I think if people pick Cotto and Cotto loses then they give credit where credit is due, SAME for Pacquiao fans.
Of course we don't know how Cotto will be until he gets in the ring but its also up to bias as to if Cotto doesn't do anything his supporters will say he was weight drained, but Pacquiao fans will say he didn't allow Cotto to do anything.
So whoever wins lets keep it civil and respectful
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In Miguel's head is a small voice telliing him that Pacquiao is going to retire him. He is smart, he has seen enough retirements one after another after standiing toe to toe with the PacMan.
May probably be the reason why lately Cotto has been trying to fight going backwards, ala JMM, trying it out. Being the smart man, Cotto knows that this is the style of fighting that he can possibly come away with still intact and healthy after a ring date with Pacquiao, even if it seemingly come with a built-in handicap or worse, probably an inevitable loss. You survive, period!
As long as he has that fighting chance for the ocassional body shot, the hard right straights, all his lethal weapons and the like, he will take that stance and give it a try. An excellent chance with his power, to possibly change the tide and even win the fight!
The important thing is that at worst, you survive the fight intact and you're not damaged physically and emotionally, and left with only but one option... an early and premature, although richly rewarded retirement.
Recent history provides the matrix, the glaring evidences.
Where is his confidence coming from? Surely it is not from the state of disarray that his camp is at right now, as of the moment.
Cotto is a smart guy, and a proud one too. He knows what is best for him, and the road to take that is acceptable, and suitable, for the stature of a fighter that is "a" Miguel Cotto. The thinking guy that Miguel Cotto is, he learned to avoid the pitfalls that contributed to the bitter experiences of the HOF fighters that at one time or anoher, he may have surely had looked up to.
In his mind, IMHO, the tough stance is more for survival, if he loses then at least he still has a belt.
....there is that danger that Pacquiao will cause him to retire. The game plan is simply to avoid this.
Pacquiao will not destroy Cotto. Miguel will make sure of that. He will fight the fight which is safety first, then cash on in the mega bucks.
He is a smart man and he will do all that he can not to fall victim to history repeating itself over and over again. And maybe win the fight altogether, with a little luck smiling his way.
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I'm just kidding!!! :);):)
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