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Dogs as intelligent as two-year-old children - Telegraph
I've suspected my dog has a fairly large vocabulary. And much as some suggest it can't be so, I am near positive I have watched her trying to talk. Trying to formulate some of those words she understands, then getting frustrated when her vocal cords won't make the word and she ends up showing me in actions what she means or wants.
Cool stuff. The basic math as well.
Yeah it doesn't supris me at all.
Honestly I think a lot of animals are smarter than we would've thought.
My budgie goes nuts when i whisper because he's so focussed on working out what i'm saying so he can mimic it. He gets really frustrated if he can't hear me but my lips are moving!
He's mimicing things quite quickly and since he has many many toys (can't help myself) and his cage is left open he's learnt to play with just about everything - yet budgies would be considered not that smart!
I've taught 'dumb' sheep to understand hand signals.
At my mum's house the cat is very vocal. She'd seem smarter than the dog but i think part of it has to do with motivation.
Hide food somewhere and the dog will NOT be fooled! ;D
Corvids are exceptionally intelligent.
Some of the tests they have done with ravens and crows are amazing, they have solved tests that previously have only been solvable by urangutans.
BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Clever rooks repeat ancient fable
Make sure you watch the vids, and also check the links to the right of the page for more, but they can solve some impressive puzzles including even making tools to get at food.
I love crows and ravens, they are so gothic and sinister, and knowing that they are so highly intelligent is enough to send a chill down you if being watched by them in a graveyard or something.
Not that I hang out in graveyards, I just mean it as an example of an animal being sinister, in a cool way.
^^ I was going to post this as a follow up.
Seriously cool look at the intelligence of crows, by Joshua Klein.
Joshua Klein on the intelligence of crows | Video on TED.com
Ted tv has a lot of great stuff, coming from many of the smartest minds on the planet, and various topics depending on your interests. Worth a look through the archives...
Great video I love the idea of crows performing useful duties, I imagine it must have been like that back in the days of Adam and Eve before the Great Flood of Noah's time.
lol you aren't sucking me into that debate. but nice try. :pQuote:
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Originally Posted by Youngbloodlol you aren't sucking me into that debate. but nice try. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
What you don't think crows were just as clever back then?
Of course they were, all animals were cleverer back then, how else do you explain the fact that two of every kind were able to travel from wherever they were in the world to an ark they had never seen?
Animals have always been capable of amazing things, expand your mind youngblood.
How come you haven't been on facebook lately ? I've missed our midnight chats :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngbloodlol you aren't sucking me into that debate. but nice try. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
What you don't think crows were just as clever back then?
Of course they were, all animals were cleverer back then, how else do you explain the fact that two of every kind were able to travel from wherever they were in the world to an ark they had never seen?
Animals have always been capable of amazing things, expand your mind youngblood.
Neat.Quote:
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One of the best examples I can think of for my dog, is when we go through a Tim Hortons drive thru here. It is a very popular coffee and donut shop, and they have the standard talk box for makin orders. When we first started taking her through, she noticed we spoke into the box, and then went to the window and they remarkably gave us food. And she got a timbit or 2 from that deal (small bite-sized piece of cooked dough, the center of the donut) as a treat.
She soon started to bark at seeing the box, trying to place her order. But she would get scolded for barking loudly in the car. It didn't take long for her to come up with a new plan, which was to do as we do, by mimicing us.
So now she waits until we are right at the talk box, and instead of barking, tries to make words, "roooow, reee, ruuuu" as we do, placing, insuring her order. The people there have come to know her as the talking, ordering dog. lol :)
Sadly I've had an offical police caution and am no longer able to livechat with anyone younger than 18 :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHow come you haven't been on facebook lately ? I've missed our midnight chats :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
What you don't think crows were just as clever back then?
Of course they were, all animals were cleverer back then, how else do you explain the fact that two of every kind were able to travel from wherever they were in the world to an ark they had never seen?
Animals have always been capable of amazing things, expand your mind youngblood.
Ooooohhh if I were you that's where I'd go if she ever escapes - now she reckons she has the ordering process down and the people at Tim Horton's have learnt what she wants ;D.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sharla
One of the best examples I can think of for my dog, is when we go through a Tim Hortons drive thru here. It is a very popular coffee and donut shop, and they have the standard talk box for makin orders. When we first started taking her through, she noticed we spoke into the box, and then went to the window and they remarkably gave us food. And she got a timbit or 2 from that deal (small bite-sized piece of cooked dough, the center of the donut) as a treat.
She soon started to bark at seeing the box, trying to place her order. But she would get scolded for barking loudly in the car. It didn't take long for her to come up with a new plan, which was to do as we do, by mimicing us.
So now she waits until we are right at the talk box, and instead of barking, tries to make words, "roooow, reee, ruuuu" as we do, placing, insuring her order. The people there have come to know her as the talking, ordering dog. lol :)
Another good thing our dog does is know the right 'answers' for Qs we give her. Sometimes she gets it wrong but she's right at least 80 % of the time.
My sister will ask her things like:
"Are you a good dog" - bark
"Are you a clever dog" - bark
"do you love me" - bark
"Are you a pretty dog" - bark
"Are you a bad dog" - deadly silence
We generally do this and get her insanley excited at the sight of a doggy chocolate and make the Qs in random order. When she gets
"Are you a bad dog" she's just hanging to bark again but holds it depite us waiting an extra second or two to see if she will be tricked. :)
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Originally Posted by Youngbloodlol you aren't sucking me into that debate. but nice try. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
What you don't think crows were just as clever back then?
Of course they were, all animals were cleverer back then, how else do you explain the fact that two of every kind were able to travel from wherever they were in the world to an ark they had never seen?
Animals have always been capable of amazing things, expand your mind youngblood.
First of all, two year olds are retarded-like.....so its not that great to be smarter than them. They can't read maps or run really fast.
Second, a man told me one time that if you cut a crows tongue they can talk. But he said he had one as a child and his dad tried to do this operation when he was drunk and it bled to death. (This guy may have been bullshitting me).
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Originally Posted by BilboSadly I've had an offical police caution and am no longer able to livechat with anyone younger than 18 :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHow come you haven't been on facebook lately ? I've missed our midnight chats :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If too personal I understand, but I am curious how this came about?? Do they survelliance your chats??
Nah it was the neighbours, I liked to leave the curtains open and lights on....Quote:
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Originally Posted by BilboSadly I've had an offical police caution and am no longer able to livechat with anyone younger than 18 :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If too personal I understand, but I am curious how this came about?? Do they survelliance your chats??
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Originally Posted by BilboNah it was the neighbours, I liked to leave the curtains open and lights on....Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If too personal I understand, but I am curious how this came about?? Do they survelliance your chats??
Ha ha ha ha. They caught you looking at porn and servicing yourself and now dont want you speaking to Lefty while doing that...... it makes sense.
Yeah, I was wanking to Lefty wanking to David Haye.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BilboNah it was the neighbours, I liked to leave the curtains open and lights on....Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Ha ha ha ha. They caught you looking at porn and servicing yourself and now dont want you speaking to Lefty while doing that...... it makes sense.
A love triangle that my street wasn't interested in accepting or sharing.
So how old is Lefty? I thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboYeah, I was wanking to Lefty wanking to David Haye.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Ha ha ha ha. They caught you looking at porn and servicing yourself and now dont want you speaking to Lefty while doing that...... it makes sense.
A love triangle that my street wasn't interested in accepting or sharing.
Youngblood was the only tender ass under 18.
haha we sure got off track here.
Couldn't it have been wanking to animal porn atleast to be somewhat relevant? :-\
That's what Bilbo asked the coppers; "So what's that in dog years ?"Quote:
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Originally Posted by boozeboxerFirst of all, two year olds are retarded-like.....so its not that great to be smarter than them. They can't read maps or run really fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
What you don't think crows were just as clever back then?
Of course they were, all animals were cleverer back then, how else do you explain the fact that two of every kind were able to travel from wherever they were in the world to an ark they had never seen?
Animals have always been capable of amazing things, expand your mind youngblood.
Second, a man told me one time that if you cut a crows tongue they can talk. But he said he had one as a child and his dad tried to do this operation when he was drunk and it bled to death. (This guy may have been bullshitting me).
Well Ew ................... On many levels
Getting back to the topic anyway I think we have a very egocentric way of measuring intelligence which puts animals at a disadvantage in the equivalence.
Sure some (i wouldn't assume all) can't read maps but there's a hell of a lot of things animals do that we can't.
I think the pace a two year old runs would be quite outdone by many an animal!
Besides that there's animals that pick up on and interpret pheromones and slight nuances in different smells, sound waves, infra red etc very much better than we do but it'd be unfair to rate our intelligence on something we have less physical capability, motivation or need to learn.
We are trained to use and develop our forms of 'intelligence' and they theirs - lets face it animals are probably way more adaptable when left without resources than most people.
Leave a few people alone in a strange land away from civilization with nothing but the clothes on their back surrounded by foreign plant and animal life and 98 % of the time they'll die within a few weeks. Leave a few animals and you'll get a plague!
[quote=Sharla;773702]Try saying that with a mouthful of grilled shark fillet! :-)Quote:
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anyway I think we have a very egocentric way of measuring intelligence which puts animals at a disadvantage in the equivalence.
:smilie_whisper:you cant I just tried.
[quote=Andre;774322]Damn I wish we had affordable seafood in Adelaide - mmmmmmm grilled shark fillet - never tried shark but I'd assume it's not bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by SharlaTry saying that with a mouthful of grilled shark fillet! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
:smilie_whisper:you cant I just tried.