When was Ricky Hatton in his prime!

In his last 4 fights he lost 2 of them, too the best £4£ on the planet.But the 2 that he won against Lazcano and Malignaggi are'nt world beaters even tho Malignaggi was an ex champ.

One of his best wins was against Luis Castillo but was he already past his best he looked good because imo Castillo fought Hattons sort of fight.

Did he spend his best years fighting the likes of Mike Stewart and Ray Olivera who are'nt bad fighters but they are'nt world class,did Frank Warren hold him back for too long and by the time the big fights came he was slightly past his best ?

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Originally Posted by littlebif

In his last 4 fights he lost 2 of them, too the best £4£ on the planet.But the 2 that he won against Lazcano and Malignaggi are'nt world beaters even tho Malignaggi was an ex champ.

One of his best wins was against Luis Castillo but was he already past his best he looked good because imo Castillo fought Hattons sort of fight.

Did he spend his best years fighting the likes of Mike Stewart and Ray Olivera who are'nt bad fighters but they are'nt world class,did Frank Warren hold him back for too long and by the time the big fights came he was slightly past his best ?

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i would'nt say that he was slighty missed timed in the world stage.Hatton has fought who he needed to fight to get where he got and his record is nothing to be shamed about.The only thing that i would of liked is Hatton to have fought Witter but that wont happen now will it?:-\Hatton is passed it now i think,i love the bloke but them heavy drinking sessions have caught up with him now.Hatton will fight on but i hope he calls it a day if he gets badly tagged again like he did with Pacman.

There is no shame in losing 2.He had a great career was just wondering if he was pushed abit early in his career we might of seen him in some more big fights when he wasnt past him prime.

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There is no shame in losing 2.He had a great career was just wondering if he was pushed abit early in his career we might of seen him in some more big fights when he wasnt past him prime.

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Brawlers have short careers, no he wasn't pushed early, he had a good pace in competition incline during his career.

agree with you 100% littlebif. He was held back far too long in typical warren style. His prime was wasted somewhat, however i do feel he acheived far more than he seemed destined for. Until about 2003 he looked a european level fighter. Perhaps his wins over collazo, urango, actually represent good achievements rather than underperformances as they are usually seen. It could be said that this was hatton performing at his maximum, but following his win over Kostya his best was deemed to be far better than it actually was. hence his performances in these fights were deemed to be poor performances.

I don't know enough about Hatton pre-Tszyu to say when I think his prime began, but I feel his decline started after the Collazo fight. I really don't think he was ever the same afterwards.

It depends how good you think Tyszu was really.

hatton either hit an alarming peak that not and then quickly regressed or he beat the right opponent on the right at the right time in their careers and he is simply over rated.

I'm somewhere between the two myself tbh

Hattons fault if you can call it that is he went out of his way to face the best.


After beating Koysta he could have fought a few times a year against half decent opponent and stayed unbeaten up till now.

Instead he wanted to fight the best and did and came up short.


No shame there.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

It depends how good you think Tyszu was really.

hatton either hit an alarming peak that not and then quickly regressed or he beat the right opponent on the right at the right time in their careers and he is simply over rated.

I'm somewhere between the two myself tbh

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Yea, this is kinda my position. Its extremely difficult to judge, but look at at this way : if we take the tzysu fight out of the equation, the three fights that followed actually look like impressive achievements based on what hatton had achieved before. so it might be reasonable to assume that hattons win over KT was due to KT being past his best AND hattons best performance. If for example he went straight from ben tackie to collazo, the win over collazo would have been hailed as a great performance

Hatton peaked in 2005, he was in the right place at the right time against a 10 year undisputed World Champ. Tszyu had been inactive, had injuries and was aging, Hatton had something like 40 pro bouts under his belt and never looked like losing any of them. At home in front of a parochial hometown crowd the odds were really stacked in his favour. He still had to fight hard to win it and he did, dubious as the refereeing was Hatton won and that is that.
It was a tough fight for the 'fatman' as i believe he was never as good afterwards.

I didnt see these fights but what was Hatton like against Phillips and Okkte Urkal?

I would imagine he was prime or polishing up to prime right around there; smart fights at that point in time too imo (considering Kostya was their real aim).

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

It depends how good you think Tyszu was really.

hatton either hit an alarming peak that not and then quickly regressed or he beat the right opponent on the right at the right time in their careers and he is simply over rated.

I'm somewhere between the two myself tbh

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completely spot on

I like to think the tszyu he fought in manchester was indeed the hard hitting russian technician who was almost unmovable at the weight. Hatton that night gave britain one of its finest sporting succeses not in the fact he became a world champ but in the manner he had done it in.

The immidiate fight after that he came up against a very average carlos maussa who he blew away but then when america came calling and particularly his decision to move up the weights he found his physical superiority over opponents was no longer their and had to rely on his technical prowess to get through second tier fighters.

The hatton that fought pacquiao was a complete shell of the guy that beat tszyu back in 2005. Thats not an excuse but a common fact

Ricky Hatton should have never fought the ring post in that catchweight match. Doesn't matter what they signed weight they fought at, it was still gonna hurt and Hatton aint been the same since.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

It depends how good you think Tyszu was really.

hatton either hit an alarming peak that not and then quickly regressed or he beat the right opponent on the right at the right time in their careers and he is simply over rated.

I'm somewhere between the two myself tbh

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completely spot on

I like to think the tszyu he fought in manchester was indeed the hard hitting russian technician who was almost unmovable at the weight. Hatton that night gave britain one of its finest sporting succeses not in the fact he became a world champ but in the manner he had done it in.

The immidiate fight after that he came up against a very average carlos maussa who he blew away but then when america came calling and particularly his decision to move up the weights he found his physical superiority over opponents was no longer their and had to rely on his technical prowess to get through second tier fighters.

The hatton that fought pacquiao was a complete shell of the guy that beat tszyu back in 2005. Thats not an excuse but a common fact

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That sounds like an excuse. And another lame one.

Here are the reasons that Hatton lost to Floyd and Manny according to the Hatton groupies.

For Floyd:
-Floyd used elbows
-Joe Cortez referee the fight.
-Hatton fought at 147
-Hatton was past his prime
-Hatton lost his cool when deducted for pts.
-Hatton lost his punch resistance after the tszyu fight

For Manny:
-Hatton was weight drain at 140 because of his lifestyle outside the ring
-Hatton lost his punch resistance after the tszyu fight
-Hatton was past his prime
-It was Floyd Senior's fault
-Hatton was emotional and couldn't concentrate because of Floyd Senior

Since most of the Hatton groupies are British I'll use an simple example so you guys understand. Ricky Hatton is Frank Bruno while Floyd and Manny are Lennox Lewis. You get it now? Do you guys understand that Hatton's talent level is nowhere near that of Floyd's and Manny's?

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

It depends how good you think Tyszu was really.

hatton either hit an alarming peak that not and then quickly regressed or he beat the right opponent on the right at the right time in their careers and he is simply over rated.

I'm somewhere between the two myself tbh

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completely spot on

I like to think the tszyu he fought in manchester was indeed the hard hitting russian technician who was almost unmovable at the weight. Hatton that night gave britain one of its finest sporting succeses not in the fact he became a world champ but in the manner he had done it in.

The immidiate fight after that he came up against a very average carlos maussa who he blew away but then when america came calling and particularly his decision to move up the weights he found his physical superiority over opponents was no longer their and had to rely on his technical prowess to get through second tier fighters.

The hatton that fought pacquiao was a complete shell of the guy that beat tszyu back in 2005. Thats not an excuse but a common fact

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That sounds like an excuse. And another lame one.

Here are the reasons that Hatton lost to Floyd and Manny according to the Hatton groupies.

For Floyd:
-Floyd used elbows
-Joe Cortez referee the fight.
-Hatton fought at 147
-Hatton was past his prime
-Hatton lost his cool when deducted for pts.
-Hatton lost his punch resistance after the tszyu fight

For Manny:
-Hatton was weight drain at 140 because of his lifestyle outside the ring
-Hatton lost his punch resistance after the tszyu fight
-Hatton was past his prime
-It was Floyd Senior's fault
-Hatton was emotional and couldn't concentrate because of Floyd Senior

Since most of the Hatton groupies are British I'll use an simple example so you guys understand. Ricky Hatton is Frank Bruno while Floyd and Manny are Lennox Lewis. You get it now? Do you guys understand that Hatton's talent level is nowhere near that of Floyd's and Manny's?

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don't think Warren held him back, what if he'd fought a younger Tszyu 18 months earlier and maybe concede home advantage? he probably would have come up a little short and gone back to fighting euro level and maybe NEVER getting the lucrative fights.

I agree with a lot of the criticism of Warren, but he handled Hatton's career perfectly. He delivered the no.1 guy in his division for him at exactly the right time (aging a little and coming off a long lay off while Ricky was peaking) on home turf with a home ref. That fight MADE him, and therefore Warren MADE him. After leaving Warren it was Hatton's camp which decided that they weren't ready for Floyd, and that's why they waited to get him.

Ricky was in his prime one second before the bell rang for the Mayweather fight

Hatton was most probably at his best a year prior to Kostya and whilst beating Kostya. Since then he has blown hot and cold for rounds and arguably fights at a time. You could say that this was due to the level of opposition but I would say its more a question of strategy.

I watch Calzaghe and see something timeless, I watch Hatton and see something that is oftentimes a lot of hard work. With a better mindset he could have been a lot better.

Some primes are long some are short.
Some are longer some are shorter.

Hattons prime was on 06/04/2005.
IMO.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

It depends how good you think Tyszu was really.

hatton either hit an alarming peak that not and then quickly regressed or he beat the right opponent on the right at the right time in their careers and he is simply over rated.

I'm somewhere between the two myself tbh

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completely spot on

I like to think the tszyu he fought in manchester was indeed the hard hitting russian technician who was almost unmovable at the weight. Hatton that night gave britain one of its finest sporting succeses not in the fact he became a world champ but in the manner he had done it in.

The immidiate fight after that he came up against a very average carlos maussa who he blew away but then when america came calling and particularly his decision to move up the weights he found his physical superiority over opponents was no longer their and had to rely on his technical prowess to get through second tier fighters.

The hatton that fought pacquiao was a complete shell of the guy that beat tszyu back in 2005. Thats not an excuse but a common fact

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That sounds like an excuse. And another lame one.

Here are the reasons that Hatton lost to Floyd and Manny according to the Hatton groupies.

For Floyd:
-Floyd used elbows
-Joe Cortez referee the fight.
-Hatton fought at 147
-Hatton was past his prime
-Hatton lost his cool when deducted for pts.
-Hatton lost his punch resistance after the tszyu fight

For Manny:
-Hatton was weight drain at 140 because of his lifestyle outside the ring
-Hatton lost his punch resistance after the tszyu fight
-Hatton was past his prime
-It was Floyd Senior's fault
-Hatton was emotional and couldn't concentrate because of Floyd Senior

Since most of the Hatton groupies are British I'll use an simple example so you guys understand. Ricky Hatton is Frank Bruno while Floyd and Manny are Lennox Lewis. You get it now? Do you guys understand that Hatton's talent level is nowhere near that of Floyd's and Manny's?

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I agree completely, i have grown tired of Hatton fans coming up with excuses for his defeats to Mayweather and Pacquiao, i wish they would just accept that he was taken to school by Mayweather and destroyed by Manny. There is no shame in him losing to 2 great fighters, so get over it and stop making excuses. He was fairly beaten by better fighters. FACT.